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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"david ford" |
| Date: |
22 Feb 2006 09:26:43 PM |
| Object: |
Re: Hitler & Darwin URLs |
Kurt Gavin wrote:
<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
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Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
In some of Hitler's speeches, he made reference to the "creator".
What, if anything, do you conclude from that?
a claim: Hitler was a Christian
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1131389424.486586.51840%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
"Hitler's speeches... reference to the 'creator'"
"Speeches" to who-- the voting public?
What, if anything, do you conclude from Darwin's use of [Darwin]"the
Creator" in the 6th edition of _Origin_?
Darwin
http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-charles/the-origin-of-species-6th-edition/chapter-15.html
Thus, from the war of nature, from famine and death, the
most exalted object which we are capable of conceiving,
namely, the production of the higher animals, directly
follows. There is grandeur in this view of life, with its
several powers, having been originally breathed by the
Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this
planet has gone circling on according to the fixed law of
gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most
beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being
evolved.
Do you think that when Darwin wrote [Darwin]"the Creator" seen above,
he was writing an equivalent of [Hitler, and Darwin]"Nature... she"?
[Hitler, and Darwin]"Nature... she"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132161340.121874.63970%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
What, if anything, do you conclude from Mencken's use of [Mencken]"God"
here?:
Mencken, H. L. 1918, 1922. _In Defense of Women_, (NY: Alfred A.
Knopf), 210pp. Text from
http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext98/ndwmn11.txt
The most they can ever accomplish in the way of
genuine originality is an occasional brilliant spurt,
and half a dozen such spurts, particularly if they
come close together and show a certain co-
ordination, are enough to make a practitioner
celebrated, and even immortal. Nature, indeed,
conspires against all such genuine originality, and I
have no doubt that God is against it on His heavenly
throne, as His vicars and partisans unquestionably
are on this earth. The dead hand pushes all of us
into intellectual cages; there is in all of us a strange
tendency to yield and have done.
He was raised a Catholic.
Goebbels "was raised a Catholic." Do you consider the adult Goebbels
"a Catholic"?
1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian doctrine
of redemption"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120260213.363834.164990%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
If you're trying to discredit any idea or institution he
could be associated with, then you're picking one, and leaving out others,
which hurts your credibility.
Also, ideas and theories can't be discredited just by pointing out who does
or doesn't agree with them. Stalin "believed" in nuclear physics enough to
put resources into an atomic bomb. Does that discredit nuclear physics?
No.
Hitler believed in Darwinian natural selection enough to put resources
into a human breeding project. Does that discredit Darwin's theory of
natural selection?
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2004 Kater
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1126752603.953619.262940%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Himmler, a former chicken farmer..., was ruled by very
strong beliefs regarding the application of breeding
theories to humans-- by way of positive selection for the
"Aryans" and negative selection for their natural enemies,
the Slavs, Gypsies, and Jews.
Hitler's human breeding plan using [1871 Darwin]"careful selection" +
mutations
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1124684179.251743.95950%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1124731489.829229.220700%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Darwin on [1871 Darwin]"careful selection" in connection with the
breeding of humans;
1924/5 Hitler & 1871 Darwin on heterogeneous & homogeneous peoples
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133977762.788382.143030%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
an exercise: parallels between 1871 Darwin & 1924/5 Hitler?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1134448996.907734.300780%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
4 more Hitler-Darwin parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135092414.972723.104980%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
July 1947 indictment by Allies of SS Race and Settlement
Office leaders:
Kidnapping the children of foreign nationals in order to
select for Germanization those who were considered of
'racial value.'.... Encouraging and compelling abortions
on Eastern workers.... Preventing marriages and
hampering reproduction of enemy nationals.
Cited in
Black, Edwin. 2003. _War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's
Campaign to Create a Master Race_ (NY: Four Walls Eight Windows),
550pp., 405.
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
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| User: "Kurt Gavin" |
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| Title: Re: Hitler & Darwin URLs |
22 Feb 2006 10:58:39 PM |
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"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:dford3-1140665203.439951.115010@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Kurt Gavin wrote:
<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:dford3-1140576033.123225.228290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
In some of Hitler's speeches, he made reference to the "creator".
What, if anything, do you conclude from that?
You're confused. I wasn't "concluding" anything. I was pointing out a falacy
in the the original post.
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: Hitler & Darwin URLs |
23 Feb 2006 08:43:21 AM |
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Kurt Gavin wrote:
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:dford3-1140665203.439951.115010@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Kurt Gavin wrote:
<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:dford3-1140576033.123225.228290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
In some of Hitler's speeches, he made reference to the "creator".
What, if anything, do you conclude from that?
You're confused. I wasn't "concluding" anything. I was pointing out a falacy
in the the original post.
What was that "falacy in... the original post," reproduced below?
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From:
Newsgroups: talk.origins,alt.talk.creationism
Subject: Hitler & Darwin URLs
Date: 21 Feb 2006 18:40:33 -0800
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Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118403178.860854.170600%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Hitler: "Mendelian Law Of Division"; "artificially hinders nature's
process of selection"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1140187785.048291.134400%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
is Darwin, or Hitler, today's most-famous Darwinist?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1138681336.761356.170100%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
parallel between Hitler and [Darwin]"the inferior vitality of mulattoes
is spoken of in a trustworthy work*(5) as a well-known phenomenon"
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1133927305.339964.266320%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
[Hitler, and Darwin]"Nature... she," in
Darwin in the 6th edition of _Origin_ on [Darwin]"survival of the
fittest" and the [Darwin]"struggle for life"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132161340.121874.63970%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Darwin: "the finest young men are.... exposed to early death during
war.... feebler men... are left at home"
Http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1136999331.757403.75700%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Malthus in remarks by Hitler
Http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1137178715.710123.107820%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Darwin: "The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an
operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his
patient...."
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1136917904.909420.245140%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
1874 Darwin: "mongrel population of Negroes and Portuguese....
population of mingled Polynesian and English blood....
population of Polynesians and Negritos crossed in all degrees....
a much crossed race of Portuguese and Indians, with a mixture of the
blood of other races"
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1136494819.673310.232510%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1883 Darwin: "When two races, both low in the scale, are crossed the
progeny seems to be eminently bad."
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1136399794.077073.47030%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
agree with Hitler about who 'Jews' are?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1136226458.258397.34490%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Darwin: "genius... tends to be inherited... insanity and deteriorated
mental powers... run in families"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135964069.481127.220330%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Kill/ death to [Darwin]"imbecile, maimed, and other useless members of
society"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135791290.639930.285730%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Darwin: "The remarkable success of the English as colonists, compared
to other European nations, has been ascribed to their 'daring and
persistent energy'; a result which is well illustrated by comparing the
progress of the Canadians of English and French extraction...."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135653955.843480.126470%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Darwin: "the New Zealander... compares his future fate with that of the
native rat now almost exterminated by the European rat"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135178729.788016.144250%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Hitler & Darwin on
[Hitler & Darwin]"master[s]"
over
[Darwin]"subjugated... men"
having
[Darwin]"utility to their masters"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135100164.057260.78490%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
this Darwin correct as of: 1888? 1944?: "man differs widely from any
strictly domesticated animal; for his breeding has never long been
controlled, either by methodical or unconscious selection"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134792419.066594.291390%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Darwin: [Greg]"the careless, squalid, unaspiring Irishman multiplies
like rabbits"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135088486.532238.194930%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Darwin on selection of Spartan children
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler; Darwin: "the evil which the Catholic Church has thus effected
is incalculable"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134662154.179171.232450%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
an exercise: parallels between 1871 Darwin & 1924/5 Hitler?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1134448996.907734.300780%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
4 more Hitler-Darwin parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135092414.972723.104980%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's human breeding plan using [1871 Darwin]"careful selection" +
mutations
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1124684179.251743.95950%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1124731489.829229.220700%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Darwin on [1871 Darwin]"careful selection" in connection with the
breeding of humans;
1924/5 Hitler & 1871 Darwin on heterogeneous & homogeneous peoples
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133977762.788382.143030%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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| User: "Kurt Gavin" |
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| Title: Re: Hitler & Darwin URLs |
23 Feb 2006 09:41:56 AM |
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"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:dford3-1140705801.579658.27760@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Kurt Gavin wrote:
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:dford3-1140665203.439951.115010@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Kurt Gavin wrote:
<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:dford3-1140576033.123225.228290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
In some of Hitler's speeches, he made reference to the "creator".
What, if anything, do you conclude from that?
You're confused. I wasn't "concluding" anything. I was pointing out a
falacy
in the the original post.
What was that "falacy in... the original post," reproduced below?
I already plainly stated what the fallacy was.
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: Hitler & Darwin URLs |
28 Feb 2006 09:59:00 AM |
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Kurt Gavin wrote:
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:dford3-1140705801.579658.27760@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Kurt Gavin wrote:
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:dford3-1140665203.439951.115010@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Kurt Gavin wrote:
<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:dford3-1140576033.123225.228290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
In some of Hitler's speeches, he made reference to the "creator".
What, if anything, do you conclude from that?
You're confused. I wasn't "concluding" anything. I was pointing out a
falacy
in the the original post.
What was that "falacy in... the original post," reproduced below?
I already plainly stated what the fallacy was.
If you would, please tell me again "what the fallacy was" in the OP,
seen below.
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From:
Newsgroups: talk.origins,alt.talk.creationism
Subject: Hitler & Darwin URLs
Date: 21 Feb 2006 18:40:33 -0800
Lines: 109
Message-ID:
<dford3-1140576033.123225.228...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>
Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118403178.860854.170600%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Hitler: "Mendelian Law Of Division"; "artificially hinders nature's
process of selection"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1140187785.048291.134400%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
is Darwin, or Hitler, today's most-famous Darwinist?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1138681336.761356.170100%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
parallel between Hitler and [Darwin]"the inferior vitality of mulattoes
is spoken of in a trustworthy work*(5) as a well-known phenomenon"
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1133927305.339964.266320%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
[Hitler, and Darwin]"Nature... she," in
Darwin in the 6th edition of _Origin_ on [Darwin]"survival of the
fittest" and the [Darwin]"struggle for life"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132161340.121874.63970%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Darwin: "the finest young men are.... exposed to early death during
war.... feebler men... are left at home"
Http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1136999331.757403.75700%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Malthus in remarks by Hitler
Http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1137178715.710123.107820%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Darwin: "The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an
operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his
patient...."
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1136917904.909420.245140%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
1874 Darwin: "mongrel population of Negroes and Portuguese....
population of mingled Polynesian and English blood....
population of Polynesians and Negritos crossed in all degrees....
a much crossed race of Portuguese and Indians, with a mixture of the
blood of other races"
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1136494819.673310.232510%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1883 Darwin: "When two races, both low in the scale, are crossed the
progeny seems to be eminently bad."
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1136399794.077073.47030%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
agree with Hitler about who 'Jews' are?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1136226458.258397.34490%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Darwin: "genius... tends to be inherited... insanity and deteriorated
mental powers... run in families"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135964069.481127.220330%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Kill/ death to [Darwin]"imbecile, maimed, and other useless members of
society"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135791290.639930.285730%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Darwin: "The remarkable success of the English as colonists, compared
to other European nations, has been ascribed to their 'daring and
persistent energy'; a result which is well illustrated by comparing the
progress of the Canadians of English and French extraction...."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135653955.843480.126470%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Darwin: "the New Zealander... compares his future fate with that of the
native rat now almost exterminated by the European rat"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135178729.788016.144250%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Hitler & Darwin on
[Hitler & Darwin]"master[s]"
over
[Darwin]"subjugated... men"
having
[Darwin]"utility to their masters"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135100164.057260.78490%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
this Darwin correct as of: 1888? 1944?: "man differs widely from any
strictly domesticated animal; for his breeding has never long been
controlled, either by methodical or unconscious selection"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134792419.066594.291390%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Darwin: [Greg]"the careless, squalid, unaspiring Irishman multiplies
like rabbits"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135088486.532238.194930%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Darwin on selection of Spartan children
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler; Darwin: "the evil which the Catholic Church has thus effected
is incalculable"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134662154.179171.232450%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
an exercise: parallels between 1871 Darwin & 1924/5 Hitler?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1134448996.907734.300780%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
4 more Hitler-Darwin parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135092414.972723.104980%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's human breeding plan using [1871 Darwin]"careful selection" +
mutations
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1124684179.251743.95950%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1124731489.829229.220700%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Darwin on [1871 Darwin]"careful selection" in connection with the
breeding of humans;
1924/5 Hitler & 1871 Darwin on heterogeneous & homogeneous peoples
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133977762.788382.143030%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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| User: "Kurt Gavin" |
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| Title: Re: Hitler & Darwin URLs |
23 Feb 2006 04:38:57 PM |
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"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:dford3-1140705801.579658.27760@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Kurt Gavin wrote:
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:dford3-1140665203.439951.115010@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Kurt Gavin wrote:
<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:dford3-1140576033.123225.228290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
In some of Hitler's speeches, he made reference to the "creator".
What, if anything, do you conclude from that?
You're confused. I wasn't "concluding" anything. I was pointing out a
falacy
in the the original post.
What was that "falacy in... the original post," reproduced below?
You're still confused. I said I wasn't "concluding" anything. I was pointing
out a fallacy in the original post.
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: Hitler & Darwin URLs |
23 Feb 2006 10:11:07 PM |
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Kurt Gavin wrote:
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:dford3-1140705801.579658.27760@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Kurt Gavin wrote:
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:dford3-1140665203.439951.115010@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Kurt Gavin wrote:
<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:dford3-1140576033.123225.228290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
In some of Hitler's speeches, he made reference to the "creator".
What, if anything, do you conclude from that?
You're confused. I wasn't "concluding" anything. I was pointing out a
falacy
in the the original post.
What was that "falacy in... the original post," reproduced below?
You're still confused. I said I wasn't "concluding" anything. I was pointing
out a fallacy in the original post.
"I [Kurt] was pointing out a fallacy in the original post."
What was this "fallacy" that you pointed out?
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| User: "Kurt Gavin" |
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| Title: Re: Hitler & Darwin URLs |
24 Feb 2006 10:22:58 AM |
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"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message news:dford3-
You're still confused. I said I wasn't "concluding" anything. I was
pointing
out a fallacy in the original post.
"I [Kurt] was pointing out a fallacy in the original post."
What was this "fallacy" that you pointed out?
Can you read?
I already stated the fallacy, in my first reply. Your endless questions are
not intelligent.
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: Hitler & Darwin URLs |
24 Feb 2006 01:19:21 PM |
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Kurt Gavin wrote:
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message news:dford3-
You're still confused. I said I wasn't "concluding" anything. I was
pointing
out a fallacy in the original post.
"I [Kurt] was pointing out a fallacy in the original post."
What was this "fallacy" that you pointed out?
Can you read?
Nope: I can't read.
I already stated the fallacy, in my first reply. Your endless questions are
not intelligent.
OK. What's your response to the "not intelligent" questions seen
below?
From: "david ford" <dfo...@gl.umbc.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.origins,alt.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,talk.atheism
Subject: Re: Hitler & Darwin URLs
Date: 22 Feb 2006 19:26:43 -0800
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Kurt Gavin wrote:
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Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
In some of Hitler's speeches, he made reference to the "creator".
What, if anything, do you conclude from that?
a claim: Hitler was a Christian
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1131389424.486586.51840%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
"Hitler's speeches... reference to the 'creator'"
"Speeches" to who-- the voting public?
What, if anything, do you conclude from Darwin's use of [Darwin]"the
Creator" in the 6th edition of _Origin_?
Darwin
http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-charles/the-origin-of-species-6th-edition/chapter-15.html
Thus, from the war of nature, from famine and death, the
most exalted object which we are capable of conceiving,
namely, the production of the higher animals, directly
follows. There is grandeur in this view of life, with its
several powers, having been originally breathed by the
Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this
planet has gone circling on according to the fixed law of
gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most
beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being
evolved.
Do you think that when Darwin wrote [Darwin]"the Creator" seen above,
he was writing an equivalent of [Hitler, and Darwin]"Nature... she"?
[Hitler, and Darwin]"Nature... she"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132161340.121874.63970%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
What, if anything, do you conclude from Mencken's use of [Mencken]"God"
here?:
Mencken, H. L. 1918, 1922. _In Defense of Women_, (NY: Alfred A.
Knopf), 210pp. Text from
http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext98/ndwmn11.txt
The most they can ever accomplish in the way of
genuine originality is an occasional brilliant spurt,
and half a dozen such spurts, particularly if they
come close together and show a certain co-
ordination, are enough to make a practitioner
celebrated, and even immortal. Nature, indeed,
conspires against all such genuine originality, and I
have no doubt that God is against it on His heavenly
throne, as His vicars and partisans unquestionably
are on this earth. The dead hand pushes all of us
into intellectual cages; there is in all of us a strange
tendency to yield and have done.
He was raised a Catholic.
Goebbels "was raised a Catholic." Do you consider the adult Goebbels
"a Catholic"?
1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian doctrine
of redemption"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120260213.363834.164990%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
If you're trying to discredit any idea or institution he
could be associated with, then you're picking one, and leaving out others,
which hurts your credibility.
Also, ideas and theories can't be discredited just by pointing out who does
or doesn't agree with them. Stalin "believed" in nuclear physics enough to
put resources into an atomic bomb. Does that discredit nuclear physics?
No.
Hitler believed in Darwinian natural selection enough to put resources
into a human breeding project. Does that discredit Darwin's theory of
natural selection?
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2004 Kater
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1126752603.953619.262940%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Himmler, a former chicken farmer..., was ruled by very
strong beliefs regarding the application of breeding
theories to humans-- by way of positive selection for the
"Aryans" and negative selection for their natural enemies,
the Slavs, Gypsies, and Jews.
Hitler's human breeding plan using [1871 Darwin]"careful selection" +
mutations
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1124684179.251743.95950%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1124731489.829229.220700%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Darwin on [1871 Darwin]"careful selection" in connection with the
breeding of humans;
1924/5 Hitler & 1871 Darwin on heterogeneous & homogeneous peoples
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133977762.788382.143030%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
an exercise: parallels between 1871 Darwin & 1924/5 Hitler?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1134448996.907734.300780%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
4 more Hitler-Darwin parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135092414.972723.104980%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
July 1947 indictment by Allies of SS Race and Settlement
Office leaders:
Kidnapping the children of foreign nationals in order to
select for Germanization those who were considered of
'racial value.'.... Encouraging and compelling abortions
on Eastern workers.... Preventing marriages and
hampering reproduction of enemy nationals.
Cited in
Black, Edwin. 2003. _War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's
Campaign to Create a Master Race_ (NY: Four Walls Eight Windows),
550pp., 405.
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
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24 Feb 2006 01:59:41 PM |
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"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
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Kurt Gavin wrote:
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message news:dford3-
You're still confused. I said I wasn't "concluding" anything. I was
pointing
out a fallacy in the original post.
"I [Kurt] was pointing out a fallacy in the original post."
What was this "fallacy" that you pointed out?
Can you read?
Nope: I can't read.
How clever.
I already stated the fallacy, in my first reply. Your endless questions
are not intelligent.
OK.
Good - I'm glad you agree. Now go away.
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28 Feb 2006 09:04:59 AM |
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Kurt Gavin wrote:
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
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Kurt Gavin wrote:
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message news:dford3-
You're still confused. I said I wasn't "concluding" anything. I was
pointing
out a fallacy in the original post.
"I [Kurt] was pointing out a fallacy in the original post."
What was this "fallacy" that you pointed out?
Can you read?
Nope: I can't read.
How clever.
"clever"
1995 Christian de Duve: "Cells are so obviously programmed to develop
according to certain lines, organs adapted to perform certain
functions, organisms suited to certain environments, that the word
_design_ almost unavoidably comes to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-325tvsF3i3t01U1%40individual.net
I already stated the fallacy, in my first reply. Your endless questions
are not intelligent.
OK.
Good - I'm glad you agree. Now go away.
To where?
Where do you think Hitler thought he would go following his death?
(answer: to be wormfood)
Valhalla vs. heaven vs. hell vs. wormfood for Hitler
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1137080516.130798.107530%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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24 Feb 2006 05:26:16 PM |
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david ford wrote:
Hitler believed in Darwinian natural selection enough to put resources
into a human breeding project.
David, can you see the problem with the above sentence and why it
doesnt make sense? As a clue you repeat the same mistake.
Hitler's human breeding plan using [1871 Darwin]"careful selection" +
mutations
Answer. Natural selection uses the natural evironment. Breeding uses
unnatural selection based on arbitary decisions.. It also does not use
mutation in the same why eovlution does as the time scales are too
short. You get combinations from the existing gene pool and well all
know what happens when cousins marry.
What's the point of you arguing about evolution if you don't get what
it is?
Stew Dean
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| User: "Kurt Gavin" |
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24 Feb 2006 06:45:22 PM |
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"stew dean" <stewdean@gmail.com> wrote in message
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david ford wrote:
Hitler believed in Darwinian natural selection enough to put resources
into a human breeding project.
David, can you see the problem with the above sentence and why it
doesnt make sense? As a clue you repeat the same mistake.
Hitler's human breeding plan using [1871 Darwin]"careful selection" +
mutations
Answer. Natural selection uses the natural evironment. Breeding uses
unnatural selection based on arbitary decisions.. It also does not use
mutation in the same why eovlution does as the time scales are too
short. You get combinations from the existing gene pool and well all
know what happens when cousins marry.
What's the point of you arguing about evolution if you don't get what
it is?
Stew Dean
Well said. Is this person a sophomore somewhere?
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25 Feb 2006 04:49:54 AM |
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Kurt Gavin wrote:
"stew dean" <stewdean@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1140823576.191794.146870@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
david ford wrote:
Hitler believed in Darwinian natural selection enough to put resources
into a human breeding project.
David, can you see the problem with the above sentence and why it
doesnt make sense? As a clue you repeat the same mistake.
Hitler's human breeding plan using [1871 Darwin]"careful selection" +
mutations
Answer. Natural selection uses the natural evironment. Breeding uses
unnatural selection based on arbitary decisions.. It also does not use
mutation in the same why eovlution does as the time scales are too
short. You get combinations from the existing gene pool and well all
know what happens when cousins marry.
What's the point of you arguing about evolution if you don't get what
it is?
Stew Dean
Well said. Is this person a sophomore somewhere?
Who me or David :) Wish I was - or whatever the UK equivalent is (2nd
year I believe)
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28 Feb 2006 09:22:02 AM |
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stew dean wrote:
david ford wrote:
Hitler believed in Darwinian natural selection enough to put resources
into a human breeding project.
David, can you see the problem with the above sentence and why it
doesnt make sense?
No, and no.
2004 Kater
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1126752603.953619.262940%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Himmler, a former chicken farmer..., was ruled by very
strong beliefs regarding the application of breeding
theories to humans-- by way of positive selection for the
"Aryans" and negative selection for their natural enemies,
the Slavs, Gypsies, and Jews.
Darwin on [1871 Darwin]"careful selection" in connection with the
breeding of humans
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133977762.788382.143030%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
As a clue you repeat the same mistake.
Hitler's human breeding plan using [1871 Darwin]"careful selection" +
mutations
Answer. Natural selection uses the natural evironment. Breeding uses
unnatural selection based on arbitary decisions..
"Breeding uses... arbitary decisions"
Not necessarily.
Darwin on selection of Spartan children
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
It also does not use
mutation in the same why eovlution does as the time scales are too
short.
Do plant and fruit fly breeders "use mutation"?
fruit fly URLs
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0403082115.67a4b153%40posting.google.com
You get combinations from the existing gene pool and well all
know what happens when cousins marry.
What "happens when cousins marry"?
I agree with Darwin:
There should be open competition for all men; and the
most able should not be prevented by laws or customs
from succeeding best and rearing the largest number of
offspring.
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an exercise: parallels between 1871 Darwin & 1924/5 Hitler?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1134448996.907734.300780%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
4 more Hitler-Darwin parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135092414.972723.104980%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
What's the point of you arguing about evolution if you don't get what
it is?
What is [sd]"evolution"?
legerdemain in the use of the word 'evolution'
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132102419.915797.111840%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
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28 Feb 2006 11:45:04 AM |
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david ford wrote:
stew dean wrote:
david ford wrote:
Hitler believed in Darwinian natural selection enough to put resources
into a human breeding project.
David, can you see the problem with the above sentence and why it
doesnt make sense?
No, and no.
Snip quotes (again)
As a clue you repeat the same mistake.
Hitler's human breeding plan using [1871 Darwin]"careful selection" +
mutations
Answer. Natural selection uses the natural evironment. Breeding uses
unnatural selection based on arbitary decisions..
"Breeding uses... arbitary decisions"
Not necessarily.
Yes necessarily. Breeding is an artificial activity based upon limited
knowledge and arbitary attributes (as opposed to holistic) that can
lead to enhanced ability in several things at the cost of others. It
can lead to animals, for example, unable to cope in the wild. Physical
alterations are nothign when compared to mental ones.
It also does not use
mutation in the same why eovlution does as the time scales are too
short.
Do plant and fruit fly breeders "use mutation"?
Not in the way nature does.
You get combinations from the existing gene pool and well all
know what happens when cousins marry.
What "happens when cousins marry"?
You limit the gene pool and, over generations, lead to a higher rate of
decay as genetic creep cannot be used as a way to patch up problems, in
simplistic terms. A diverse gene pool of interchangable parts allows
for better adaptation in the future.
What's the point of you arguing about evolution if you don't get what
it is?
What is [sd]"evolution"?
Why do you insist in asking questions that have already been answered?
What do you think evolution is? What is the difference between
eugenics and evolution?
Remember no urls or links to quotes as these never answer the questions
you are asked.
Stew Dean
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david ford wrote:
Kurt Gavin wrote:
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
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Kurt Gavin wrote:
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
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Kurt Gavin wrote:
<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
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Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
In some of Hitler's speeches, he made reference to the "creator".
What, if anything, do you conclude from that?
You're confused. I wasn't "concluding" anything. I was pointing out a
falacy
in the the original post.
What was that "falacy in... the original post," reproduced below?
You're still confused. I said I wasn't "concluding" anything. I was pointing
out a fallacy in the original post.
"I [Kurt] was pointing out a fallacy in the original post."
What was this "fallacy" that you pointed out?
That Hilter was an athiest and that Darwin is directly responsible for
him killing millions.
Two fallacies right there.
As others have said - in mein kampf how many mentions of Darwin? How
many mentions of God and 'the Lord'?
Previously I didnt really care and thought it best to avoid all
mentions to Hitler (there's a usenet rule that if you mention Hitler
you loose any debate by default). Now you've just taught me Hitler
wasnt an athiest.
Stew Dean
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28 Feb 2006 09:54:53 AM |
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stew dean wrote:
david ford wrote:
"I [Kurt] was pointing out a fallacy in the original post."
What was this "fallacy" that you pointed out?
That Hilter was an athiest and that Darwin is directly responsible for
him killing millions.
Two fallacies right there.
As others have said - in mein kampf how many mentions of Darwin?
None. And 0 mentions of the word 'Malthus,' as well. Nevertheless,
Hitler clearly accepted Malthusian and Darwinian thinking.
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Malthusian thinking in remarks by Hitler
Http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1137178715.710123.107820%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
is Darwin, or Hitler, today's most-famous Darwinist?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1138681336.761356.170100%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
How many mentions of God and 'the Lord'?
A few.
Hitler and an Ethical Culture person on 'God'
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1136317045.783426.125490%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
a claim: Hitler was a Christian
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1131389424.486586.51840%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Previously I didnt really care and thought it best to avoid all
mentions to Hitler (there's a usenet rule that if you mention Hitler
you loose any debate by default). Now you've just taught me Hitler
wasnt an athiest.
Hitler was an atheism-adherent.
Robert Ley was an atheism-adherent, who worshiped at least these 2
gods/ idols: Hitler, and Nature with a capital "N."
Ref:
the 2 Ley URLs below.
31 March 1939 Robert Ley
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/ley3.htm
The Fuhrer once said: "If you take an idol from
people, you must replace it with a true god." Our
god is the wonderful law of creation, whose
amazing unity of all things shows itself in wonderful
flowers, in growing trees, in new born children, in
the secrets of a mother, in the growth of our people,
in work and accomplishment and creation, in life
itself. It is the joy we have in everything. How
beautiful everything is. Do you feel the same way?
I am so happy to be alive.
A priest recently asked me: "But what about
eternity...?"
I replied: "A day in National Socialist Germany is
better for me than all of your heaven."
3 November 1936 Robert Ley
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/ley2.htm
That is why we love Adolf Hitler so much. .... The
German nation and its soul belong to Adolf Hitler
and his party.
When one makes a total claim on the soul of a
nation, it is not enough to preach. One must also
understand organization. .... We are a young
people. We have all the weaknesses of a child. A
child wants a father to hold it. When there is thunder
and lightning, the child is afraid and hurries to its
father, for it wants to be safe. That is like the
leadership of a people. You, block leaders, block
wardens, cell leaders, cell wardens, must be that if
there are storms again in Germany, you must be a
refuge for the people, if sacrifices are again
demanded. You must say: "Citizens, stay calm! The
Fuhrer is always right!"
.... The people nearly perished. Catastrophe was
only narrowly averted. It was all due to the faith of
one man! Yes, you who called us godless, we found
our faith in Adolf Hitler, and through him found God
once again. .... You, citizen from the firm, you can
say: "I, too, lived during that time, I, too, believed in
Adolf Hitler."
Compare
a spiritual void among especially-influential Germans
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28 Feb 2006 11:59:55 AM |
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In article <dford3-1141142093.727252.238070@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> writes:
stew dean wrote:
david ford wrote:
"I [Kurt] was pointing out a fallacy in the original post."
What was this "fallacy" that you pointed out?
That Hilter was an athiest and that Darwin is directly responsible for
him killing millions.
Two fallacies right there.
As others have said - in mein kampf how many mentions of Darwin?
None. And 0 mentions of the word 'Malthus,' as well. Nevertheless,
Hitler clearly accepted Malthusian and Darwinian thinking.
Interesting, but you're not taking it far enough. Darwin's thought
was heavily influenced by what he learned from breeders, pigeon
breeders in particular. "The origin" reads like a pigeon
breeding manual at times; it's pigeons from one end to the other.
Both Darwin's insights and the examples he used to support
his conclusions are deeply indebted to generations of pigeon
breeders.
Therefore pigeon breeding was the inspiration for the Third Reich.
-- cary
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <dford3-1141142093.727252.238070@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> writes:
stew dean wrote:
david ford wrote:
"I [Kurt] was pointing out a fallacy in the original post."
What was this "fallacy" that you pointed out?
That Hilter was an athiest and that Darwin is directly responsible for
him killing millions.
Two fallacies right there.
As others have said - in mein kampf how many mentions of Darwin?
None. And 0 mentions of the word 'Malthus,' as well. Nevertheless,
Hitler clearly accepted Malthusian and Darwinian thinking.
Interesting, but you're not taking it far enough. Darwin's thought
was heavily influenced by what he learned from breeders, pigeon
breeders in particular. "The origin" reads like a pigeon
breeding manual at times; it's pigeons from one end to the other.
Both Darwin's insights and the examples he used to support
his conclusions are deeply indebted to generations of pigeon
breeders.
Therefore pigeon breeding was the inspiration for the Third Reich.
"Darwin's thought was heavily influenced by what he learned from
breeders, pigeon breeders in particular."
How about breeders of [Hitler]"dogs and horses"-- did Darwin learn
anything from them?
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Darwin:
Man scans with scrupulous care the character and
pedigree of his horses, cattle, and dogs before he
matches them; but when he comes to his own
marriage....
Compare
Hitler, Adolf. 1924, 1925. _Mein Kampf_, the chapter "The State,"
about 20 pages in; see also from about 15 to about 20 pages in. From
here-- do a control-f/ "find" for: dogs
http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv2ch02.html
The folkish philosophy of life which bases the State on
the racial idea must finally succeed in bringing about a
nobler era, in which men will no longer pay exclusive
attention to breeding and rearing pedigree dogs and
horses and cats, but will endeavour to improve the breed
of the human race itself. That will be an era of silence and
renunciation for one class of people, while the others will
give their gifts and make their sacrifices joyfully.
Compare this Darwin:
he [man] might by selection do
something not only for the bodily constitution and frame
of his offspring, but for their intellectual and moral
qualities.
an exercise: parallels between 1871 Darwin & 1924/5 Hitler?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1134448996.907734.300780%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
4 more Hitler-Darwin parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135092414.972723.104980%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Darwin on selection of Spartan children
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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28 Feb 2006 08:22:41 PM |
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david ford wrote:
stew dean wrote:
david ford wrote:
"I [Kurt] was pointing out a fallacy in the original post."
What was this "fallacy" that you pointed out?
That Hilter was an athiest and that Darwin is directly responsible for
him killing millions.
Two fallacies right there.
As others have said - in mein kampf how many mentions of Darwin?
None. And 0 mentions of the word 'Malthus,' as well. Nevertheless,
Hitler clearly accepted Malthusian and Darwinian thinking.
No, Hitler merely accepted Gobineau's rancid racism and
extremist Volkgeist mythology. All this predated Darwin.
Paul Lagarde one of the premiere racists was demanding
expulsion of the Jews and take over of the East in name
of the German superior master race 30 years before the Nazis.
A book of his collected essays was in Hitler's library,
extensively annotated in Hitler's own handwriting.
None of this came from Darwin, all came from ideologies
that long predated Darwin. Had Darwin never lived,
the results would have been the same.
And there were many other low grade hateful racists
of lagard's type, from the upper echelons such as Chamberlain,
to low grade ranters such as found in Der Stermer and
other ranting popularizer's of naked racism. Langbehn,
Muller and other writers of scurrilous racist books,
pamphlets, speeches and racist organizations.
You are as usual, a hatefilled liar and with an agenda
of hate and extremism.
The Germans as superior to their neighbors.
Again, you lie because the truth is not in you.
This is why religion is evil, it make fools into
dangerous fools.
--
"If I saw a man beating a tied up horse, I could
not prove it was wrong, but I'd know it was wrong."
- Mark Twain
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "stew dean" |
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| Title: Re: Hitler & Darwin URLs |
28 Feb 2006 05:58:47 PM |
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david ford wrote:
stew dean wrote:
david ford wrote:
"I [Kurt] was pointing out a fallacy in the original post."
What was this "fallacy" that you pointed out?
That Hilter was an athiest and that Darwin is directly responsible for
him killing millions.
Two fallacies right there.
As others have said - in mein kampf how many mentions of Darwin?
None. And 0 mentions of the word 'Malthus,' as well. Nevertheless,
Hitler clearly accepted Malthusian and Darwinian thinking.
Not clearly enough as Darwin's ideas are incompatable with the idea of
eugenics.
How many mentions of God and 'the Lord'?
A few.
Yep.
Previously I didnt really care and thought it best to avoid all
mentions to Hitler (there's a usenet rule that if you mention Hitler
you loose any debate by default). Now you've just taught me Hitler
wasnt an athiest.
Hitler was an atheism-adherent.
Not according to your answer above. To say he was an atheist would now
appear to be trying to mislead.
Stew Dean
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: Hitler & Darwin URLs |
23 Feb 2006 10:22:15 AM |
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david ford wrote:
You do not need Darwin to say, "Let us kill our
neighbors and steal their land".
People have been doing this since time immemorial.
Germans did this too, like man has done since time memorial.
Mongols justified this on the grounds that only the herdsmen
Mongols with their horses and cattle and nomadic ways
were truely human, and farmers and towns people were
not.
Germans justified their attacks on their neighbors on
false claims they were a superior race compared to
their neighbors.
All else is far right christian extremism, hate
and stupidity.
The same sort of fantasies that fed Nazism.
Darwinism has long been a part of the intellectual
understanding of advanced and scientific Western
nations. It has been exactly this sort of civilization
that has defeated the racist Germans, the Lysenkoist
Communists, and why the backwards Islamic world
is backwards and mired in illiteracy and poverty.
They don't have science and Darwinism means little
to them.
What christians like the miserable and utterly
dishonest ford want is to become ignorant again.
But ignorance does not work as we have seen, so it
cannot be an option.
To abandon Darwin is to abandon science for
the failed doctrines of superstition.
Backwards fundamentalist christianity is a
failure, its false, its wrong.
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"If I saw a man beating a tied up horse, I could
not prove it was wrong, but I'd know it was wrong."
- Mark Twain
Cheerful Charlie
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