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"david ford" |
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28 Feb 2006 08:50:53 AM |
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Re: Hitler & Darwin URLs |
wrote:
dford3@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
(snip)
Aren't all of these links off-topic for talk.origins?
Which links?
Shouldn't they
be posted to some sort of forum about politics or morals? They don't
actually have anything to do with origins.
"morals.... origins"
1995 Dennett: "Darwinian thinking helps us see why the traditional
hope of solving these problems (finding a moral algorithm) is forlorn"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0408021033.78218bde%40posting.google.com
1997 Edward O. Wilson: "scientific materialism explains vastly more of
the tangible world.... Its discoveries suggest that, like it or not,
we are alone. We must measure and judge ourselves, and we will decide
our own destiny."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0408121848.fb6ab07%40posting.google.com
the question of accountability favors conversion to atheism
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1137184204.545825.116810%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: rallying slogan for atheism |
21 Apr 2006 09:08:50 AM |
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AC wrote:
On 20 Apr 2006 14:26:29 -0700,
david ford <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
AC wrote:
On 12 Apr 2006 19:32:49 -0700,
david ford <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
AC wrote:
I'm not interested in that. Right now we're talking about your immorality.
<snip Ford's attempt to change the subject>
Rohm had sex with boys. I suspect that Hitler had sex with boys.
Do you consider engaging in the activity of pedophilia 'immoral'?
I'm not interested in Rohm or in discussing pedophilia with you, David. We
were talking about your immorality. Don't you want to talk about your
wickedness?
<snip>
There's no such thing as "wickedness."
I have never engaged in perpetrating "wickedness." I've never done a
'wicked' or 'evil' or 'sinful' action.
And neither have you.
And neither has Pol Pot.
I will, though, concede that eating beef is indeed "wickedness."
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"The Lion, the Witch, and the Great Insult"
http://www.boundless.org/2005/articles/a0001183.cfm
views of atheism-adherent Singer
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141777876.224926.284110%40j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com
I'm not interested in Pol Pot nor in any wicked act I may have committed.
I'm interested in discussing your immoral posting tactics, which, in fact,
pretty much define you as a wicked man.
Do you consider anybody mentioned below "a wicked man"?
Reisman, Judith A. 1998. _Kinsey: Crimes and Consequences: The Red
Queen and the Grand Scheme_ (Virginia: The Institute for Media
Education, Inc.), 323pp. On 213:
Kinsey's argument for elder parolees was false, for
he knew the key subject he often cited was a "sixty-
three-year old, quiet, soft-spoken... fellow" who,
incidentally, raped 800 children.^65
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February 2003 "Homosexual Rape and Murder of Children" _Journal of the
Family Research Institute_
http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRR_03_02.html
"Was Adolf Hitler a Homosexual?"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=14gv61914jp6oun4kep06366r8k1an35la%404ax.com
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| User: "david ford" |
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21 Apr 2006 09:22:54 PM |
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April 20 is the birthday of one of the most moral of men I'm aware of,
and he happens to be an atheist.
Atheist Peter Singer is probably the most moral man that I know of. He
values all life. He refuses to eat meat, and donates 20% of his salary
to charities.
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views of atheism-adherent Singer
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141777876.224926.284110%40j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com
1916/ 1922 Nordau; infanticide, slavery, and genocide
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132847220.475151.206790%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
1979 Schaeffer & Koop on the a-moral implications of atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504061225.4c675814%40posting.google.com
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian, atheistic a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler & Darwin URLs
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1140576033.123225.228290%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Merry Winter Solstice!
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134184020.915479.145130%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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| User: "SortingItOut" |
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22 Apr 2006 03:01:09 AM |
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david ford wrote:
April 20 is the birthday of one of the most moral of men I'm aware of,
and he happens to be an atheist.
Atheist Peter Singer is probably the most moral man that I know of. He
values all life. He refuses to eat meat, and donates 20% of his salary
to charities.
I'm curious. By what measure or standard do you consider eating meat
to be less moral than not eating meat? Do you consider that standard
to be subjective? If not, what arguments would you use to persuade
others that it is an objective standard?
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views of atheism-adherent Singer
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141777876.224926.284110%40j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com
1916/ 1922 Nordau; infanticide, slavery, and genocide
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132847220.475151.206790%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
1979 Schaeffer & Koop on the a-moral implications of atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504061225.4c675814%40posting.google.com
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian, atheistic a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler & Darwin URLs
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1140576033.123225.228290%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Merry Winter Solstice!
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134184020.915479.145130%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: birthday of a highly moral man |
25 Apr 2006 07:06:53 AM |
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SortingItOut wrote:
david ford wrote:
April 20 is the birthday of one of the most moral of men I'm aware of,
and he happens to be an atheist.
Atheist Peter Singer is probably the most moral man that I know of. He
values all life. He refuses to eat meat, and donates 20% of his salary
to charities.
I'm curious. By what measure or standard do you consider eating meat
to be less moral than not eating meat?
By my standards, eating of meat by humans is immoral.
By my standards, sex with animals involving much cruelty is immoral.
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1997 atheism-adherent Edward O. Wilson
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0408121848.fb6ab07%40posting.google.com
scientific materialism explains vastly more of the
tangible world.... Its discoveries suggest that, like it
or not, we are alone. We must measure and judge
ourselves, and we will decide our own destiny.
Humanist Manifesto II
http://www.americanhumanist.org/about/manifesto2.html
THIRD: We affirm that moral values derive their
source from human experience. Ethics is
autonomous and situational needing no theological
or ideological sanction. Ethics stems from human
need and interest.
Humanist Manifesto III
http://www.americanhumanist.org/3/HumandItsAspirations.htm
The lifestance of Humanism-- guided by reason,
inspired by compassion, and informed by
experience-- encourages us to live life well and fully.
It evolved through the ages and continues to
develop through the efforts of thoughtful people who
recognize that values and ideals, however carefully
wrought, are subject to change as our knowledge
and understandings advance.
views of atheism-adherent Singer
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141777876.224926.284110%40j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com
1916/ 1922 Nordau; infanticide, slavery, and genocide
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132847220.475151.206790%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Do you consider that standard
to be subjective?
Meaning of "subjective"?
If not, what arguments would you use to persuade
others that it is an objective standard?
What are 3 examples of "an objective standard"?
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| User: "josephus" |
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26 Apr 2006 10:49:56 PM |
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david ford wrote:
SortingItOut wrote:
david ford wrote:
April 20 is the birthday of one of the most moral of men I'm aware of,
and he happens to be an atheist.
Atheist Peter Singer is probably the most moral man that I know of. He
values all life. He refuses to eat meat, and donates 20% of his salary
to charities.
I'm curious. By what measure or standard do you consider eating meat
to be less moral than not eating meat?
By my standards, eating of meat by humans is immoral.
By my standards, sex with animals involving much cruelty is immoral.
Oh david, you really like sex with animals ( snicker ) that is not much
of a stretch. You seem to have mental problems with bizarre ideation.
it sounds like a mental illness symptom
It is not what you do but how you do it that makes you look mentall ill.
josephus
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1997 atheism-adherent Edward O. Wilson
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0408121848.fb6ab07%40posting.google.com
scientific materialism explains vastly more of the
tangible world.... Its discoveries suggest that, like it
or not, we are alone. We must measure and judge
ourselves, and we will decide our own destiny.
Humanist Manifesto II
http://www.americanhumanist.org/about/manifesto2.html
THIRD: We affirm that moral values derive their
source from human experience. Ethics is
autonomous and situational needing no theological
or ideological sanction. Ethics stems from human
need and interest.
Humanist Manifesto III
http://www.americanhumanist.org/3/HumandItsAspirations.htm
The lifestance of Humanism-- guided by reason,
inspired by compassion, and informed by
experience-- encourages us to live life well and fully.
It evolved through the ages and continues to
develop through the efforts of thoughtful people who
recognize that values and ideals, however carefully
wrought, are subject to change as our knowledge
and understandings advance.
views of atheism-adherent Singer
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141777876.224926.284110%40j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com
1916/ 1922 Nordau; infanticide, slavery, and genocide
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132847220.475151.206790%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Do you consider that standard
to be subjective?
Meaning of "subjective"?
If not, what arguments would you use to persuade
others that it is an objective standard?
What are 3 examples of "an objective standard"?
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| User: "stew dean" |
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22 Apr 2006 01:35:06 AM |
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david ford wrote:
Atheist Peter Singer is probably the most moral man that I know of. He
values all life. He refuses to eat meat, and donates 20% of his salary
to charities.
That's nice but who is Peter Singer? You don't say in your post.
I'm a vegetarian.but don't consider eating meat as a highly immoral
act, not advisable maybe but not immoral. I have several good reasons
for being veggie which I'm not going to go into here.
Why do you consider not eating meat to be moral?
Are you moral? If so how can you justify statements like a sexual
relationship between a man and a boy is moral or that it is moral to
hate catholics or that eugenics is moral?
It appears you have no understaniding of morals.
Stew Dean
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| User: "stew dean" |
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22 Apr 2006 01:35:21 AM |
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david ford wrote:
Atheist Peter Singer is probably the most moral man that I know of. He
values all life. He refuses to eat meat, and donates 20% of his salary
to charities.
That's nice but who is Peter Singer? You don't say in your post.
I'm a vegetarian.but don't consider eating meat as a highly immoral
act, not advisable maybe but not immoral. I have several good reasons
for being veggie which I'm not going to go into here.
Why do you consider not eating meat to be moral?
Are you moral? If so how can you justify statements like a sexual
relationship between a man and a boy is moral or that it is moral to
hate catholics or that eugenics is moral?
It appears you have no understaniding of morals.
Stew Dean
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| User: "david ford" |
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25 Apr 2006 07:25:15 AM |
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stew dean wrote:
david ford wrote:
Atheist Peter Singer is probably the most moral man that I know of. He
values all life. He refuses to eat meat, and donates 20% of his salary
to charities.
That's nice but who is Peter Singer? You don't say in your post.
Singer is a highly-influential atheism-adherent philosopher, and the
father of the animal rights movement.
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views of atheism-adherent Singer
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141777876.224926.284110%40j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com
I'm a vegetarian.but don't consider eating meat as a highly immoral
act, not advisable maybe but not immoral. I have several good reasons
for being veggie which I'm not going to go into here.
Do you eat eggs?
Why do you consider not eating meat to be moral?
I just don't.
Are you moral?
I think I'm highly moral. I've never ever done an immoral action.
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"The Lion, the Witch, and the Great Insult"
http://www.boundless.org/2005/articles/a0001183.cfm
ethics of concentration camp societies
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143041542.477944.172610%40i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
If so how can you justify statements like a sexual
relationship between a man and a boy is moral or that it is moral to
hate catholics or that eugenics is moral?
What were my exact words?
It appears you have no understaniding of morals.
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| User: "AC" |
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| Title: Re: rallying slogan for atheism |
27 Apr 2006 04:29:39 PM |
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On 21 Apr 2006 07:08:50 -0700,
david ford <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
AC wrote:
On 20 Apr 2006 14:26:29 -0700,
david ford <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
AC wrote:
On 12 Apr 2006 19:32:49 -0700,
david ford <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
AC wrote:
I'm not interested in that. Right now we're talking about your immorality.
<snip Ford's attempt to change the subject>
Rohm had sex with boys. I suspect that Hitler had sex with boys.
Do you consider engaging in the activity of pedophilia 'immoral'?
I'm not interested in Rohm or in discussing pedophilia with you, David. We
were talking about your immorality. Don't you want to talk about your
wickedness?
<snip>
There's no such thing as "wickedness."
I have never engaged in perpetrating "wickedness." I've never done a
'wicked' or 'evil' or 'sinful' action.
And neither have you.
And neither has Pol Pot.
I will, though, concede that eating beef is indeed "wickedness."
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
"The Lion, the Witch, and the Great Insult"
http://www.boundless.org/2005/articles/a0001183.cfm
views of atheism-adherent Singer
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141777876.224926.284110%40j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com
I'm not interested in Pol Pot nor in any wicked act I may have committed.
I'm interested in discussing your immoral posting tactics, which, in fact,
pretty much define you as a wicked man.
Do you consider anybody mentioned below "a wicked man"?
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about you, and your twisted
obsession with gay Nazis.
<snip>
--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: rallying slogan for atheism |
28 Apr 2006 11:44:51 AM |
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AC wrote:
On 21 Apr 2006 07:08:50 -0700,
david ford <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
AC wrote:
On 20 Apr 2006 14:26:29 -0700,
david ford <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
AC wrote:
On 12 Apr 2006 19:32:49 -0700,
david ford <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
AC wrote:
I'm not interested in that. Right now we're talking about your immorality.
<snip Ford's attempt to change the subject>
Rohm had sex with boys. I suspect that Hitler had sex with boys.
Do you consider engaging in the activity of pedophilia 'immoral'?
I'm not interested in Rohm or in discussing pedophilia with you, David. We
were talking about your immorality. Don't you want to talk about your
wickedness?
<snip>
There's no such thing as "wickedness."
I have never engaged in perpetrating "wickedness." I've never done a
'wicked' or 'evil' or 'sinful' action.
And neither have you.
And neither has Pol Pot.
I will, though, concede that eating beef is indeed "wickedness."
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
"The Lion, the Witch, and the Great Insult"
http://www.boundless.org/2005/articles/a0001183.cfm
views of atheism-adherent Singer
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141777876.224926.284110%40j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com
I'm not interested in Pol Pot nor in any wicked act I may have committed.
I'm interested in discussing your immoral posting tactics, which, in fact,
pretty much define you as a wicked man.
Do you consider anybody mentioned below "a wicked man"?
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about you, and your twisted
obsession with gay Nazis.
<snip>
Do you consider anybody mentioned below "a wicked man"?
April 2006 "Police: Okla. man planned to eat slain girl"
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/bolin16.html
Details won't be given now (perhaps later), but several similar
circumstances are discussed in
Friedrich, Otto. 1972. _Before the Deluge: A Portrait of Berlin in
the 1920s_ (NY: Harper & Row, Publishers), 418pp., 331-337.
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Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian, atheistic a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
1939 R. T. Smallbones: "The explanation for this outbreak of sadistic
cruelty may be that sexual perversion, and, in particular,
homosexuality, are very prevalent in Germany."
Igra: homosexuality a "poisoned stream" in human history
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1144986392.404825.109570%40z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
April 2006 "Man Convicted of Sexually Abusing Teen on Airplane"
http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=25&sid=757683&sidelines=1
1979 Schaeffer & Koop on the a-moral implications of atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504061225.4c675814%40posting.google.com
views of atheism-adherent Singer
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141777876.224926.284110%40j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com
There's no need to restrain one's sexual and other impulses.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143038072.680883.42950%40e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com
convert to secular humanism to enjoy guiltless sexual activity of many
varieties
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0409241109.17e2611d%40posting.google.com
1999 Paul Vitz on personal convenience; 2002 Benjamin Wiker
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-35qe6lF4orjsoU1%40individual.net
Reagan, in
Is infanticide "evil"?; Reagan; Nordau
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1131387293.922571.147570%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Reality vs. worldview philosophy of materialism/ atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3813ksF5ggkc3U1%40individual.net
On the Origin of Life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-39oh33F63riraU1%40individual.net
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| User: "AC" |
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| Title: Re: rallying slogan for atheism |
28 Apr 2006 04:13:22 PM |
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On 28 Apr 2006 09:44:51 -0700,
david ford <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
AC wrote:
On 21 Apr 2006 07:08:50 -0700,
david ford <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
AC wrote:
On 20 Apr 2006 14:26:29 -0700,
david ford <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
AC wrote:
On 12 Apr 2006 19:32:49 -0700,
david ford <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
AC wrote:
I'm not interested in that. Right now we're talking about your immorality.
<snip Ford's attempt to change the subject>
Rohm had sex with boys. I suspect that Hitler had sex with boys.
Do you consider engaging in the activity of pedophilia 'immoral'?
I'm not interested in Rohm or in discussing pedophilia with you, David. We
were talking about your immorality. Don't you want to talk about your
wickedness?
<snip>
There's no such thing as "wickedness."
I have never engaged in perpetrating "wickedness." I've never done a
'wicked' or 'evil' or 'sinful' action.
And neither have you.
And neither has Pol Pot.
I will, though, concede that eating beef is indeed "wickedness."
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
"The Lion, the Witch, and the Great Insult"
http://www.boundless.org/2005/articles/a0001183.cfm
views of atheism-adherent Singer
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141777876.224926.284110%40j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com
I'm not interested in Pol Pot nor in any wicked act I may have committed.
I'm interested in discussing your immoral posting tactics, which, in fact,
pretty much define you as a wicked man.
Do you consider anybody mentioned below "a wicked man"?
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about you, and your twisted
obsession with gay Nazis.
<snip>
Do you consider anybody mentioned below "a wicked man"?
I'm not talking about anybody else. Do try to keep up, we were discussing
this strange obsession you have with gay Nazis.
<snip>
--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: vote for Larry Darby of the Atheist Law Center |
23 May 2006 09:44:46 AM |
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Tom McDonald wrote:
david ford wrote:
Larry Darby of the Atheist Law Center is running for office
(specifically, Alabama attorney general), and needs your help. Let's
work to get as many Alabamans as possible to vote for Larry. The
primary is 6 June, and he's running as a Democrat.
Atheist Law Center: Advocates for Atheist Civil Rights & Absolute
Separation Between Religion and Governments
http://www.atheistlaw.org/speakers.cfm?speaker=Larry%20Darby
Sorry, ford. While it's clear that *you* would be fascinated and
supportive of the twat, I suspect you will have to go to some of the
more nutso Christofascist ngs to get the support you are trying to drum
up.
"the twat"
Just because someone is a proud atheist doesn't mean he's a "twat."
What considerations lead you to conclude that Darby is a "twat"?
Oh, and it's been a good forty years since a Democrat would run on
anything like this platform.
Now if you tried the 'Publicans....
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| User: "Tom McDonald" |
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| Title: Re: vote for Larry Darby of the Atheist Law Center |
24 May 2006 05:15:55 PM |
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david ford wrote:
Tom McDonald wrote:
david ford wrote:
Larry Darby of the Atheist Law Center is running for office
(specifically, Alabama attorney general), and needs your help. Let's
work to get as many Alabamans as possible to vote for Larry. The
primary is 6 June, and he's running as a Democrat.
Atheist Law Center: Advocates for Atheist Civil Rights & Absolute
Separation Between Religion and Governments
http://www.atheistlaw.org/speakers.cfm?speaker=Larry%20Darby
Sorry, ford. While it's clear that *you* would be fascinated and
supportive of the twat, I suspect you will have to go to some of the
more nutso Christofascist ngs to get the support you are trying to drum
up.
"the twat"
Just because someone is a proud atheist doesn't mean he's a "twat."
What considerations lead you to conclude that Darby is a "twat"?
The consideration that he seems to be as despicable as you. Twat.
Oh, and it's been a good forty years since a Democrat would run on
anything like this platform.
Now if you tried the 'Publicans....
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| User: "stew dean" |
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21 Apr 2006 03:35:34 PM |
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david ford wrote:
AC wrote:
On 12 Apr 2006 19:32:49 -0700,
david ford <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
AC wrote:
I'm not interested in that. Right now we're talking about your immorality.
<snip Ford's attempt to change the subject>
Rohm had sex with boys. I suspect that Hitler had sex with boys.
Do you consider engaging in the activity of pedophilia 'immoral'?
I'm not interested in Rohm or in discussing pedophilia with you, David. We
were talking about your immorality. Don't you want to talk about your
wickedness?
<snip>
There's no such thing as "wickedness."
Unfortunately the word exists and most people know what it means. In
the context given you are being accused of being a wicked and immoral
person.
Wicked does exist. It means to essentialy act in a way that is likely
to lead to bad things happening to others. Social groups for morals in
order to protect the group and by acting antisocialy you are acting
imoraly, in a wicked way, etc.
I have never engaged in perpetrating "wickedness."
I'm sorry but from my perspective you morals are very much in question.
You contempt and hatred for others and promotion of that which is
immoral, like pedophila, marks you out as someone who is intentionaly
'wicked;. If you live in denial about this and consider what you to be
acceptable and behavour befitting of any one so be it.
I've never done a
'wicked' or 'evil' or 'sinful' action.
What was that you said about Catholics. I think that counts.
And neither have you.
And neither has Pol Pot.
Pol Pot never did anything evil? I'd like to see you explain that.
I will, though, concede that eating beef is indeed "wickedness."
Why is that then. Are you Hindu?
Shouldnt you be off meditating and trying to levitate?
Stew Dean
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| User: "david ford" |
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06 Apr 2006 09:51:47 AM |
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AC wrote:
On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 Prunefinger <misleart@ameritech.net> wrote:
"Stile4aly" <stile4aly@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1144251160.197208.95250@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
: david ford wrote:
: > Terri Schindler Schiavo's death-by-starvation was not a loss, and
: > keeping her was no specific gain.
: >
: > Losing you is not a loss, and keeping you is no specific gain.
:
: <snip self-referential flotsam>
:
: What does atheism have to do with Terri Schiavo? Plenty of theists
: were against the unconstitutional intervention of the FL legislature
: and her parents pandering to the media in an attempt to contravene her
: wishes and usurp the authority of her husband.
What does Davie have to do with reality? He's just a hateful little
xian bigot. Clearly, he recognizes the superiority of our position,
but doesn't have the sense to accept it.
Come on Davie, join us on the bright side!! Leave the dark behind
(I'm not talking about that hooker's *****, you're busy pumping,
either), become a full human being, won't you?
I'm not even sure he is a Christian.
What is "a Christian"?
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
What is a Christian?
http://www.gotquestions.org/what-is-a-Christian.html
What is the plan of salvation / way of salvation?
http://www.gotquestions.org/way-of-salvation.html
What is the Romans Road to salvation?
http://www.gotquestions.org/Romans-road-salvation.html
The Gospel Presentation: How Can I Get To Heaven?
http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/gospel_presentation.shtml
"The Lion, the Witch, and the Great Insult"
http://www.boundless.org/2005/articles/a0001183.cfm
How to Know God
http://www.insight.org/ToolsForGrowth/KnowGod.asp?Step=1
What Are The Essentials.... About Salvation?
http://www.equip.org/essentials/index.asp?view=sal
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| User: "Stile4aly" |
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06 Apr 2006 10:22:19 AM |
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david ford wrote:
AC wrote:
On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 Prunefinger <misleart@ameritech.net> wrote:
"Stile4aly" <stile4aly@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1144251160.197208.95250@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
: david ford wrote:
: > Terri Schindler Schiavo's death-by-starvation was not a loss, and
: > keeping her was no specific gain.
: >
: > Losing you is not a loss, and keeping you is no specific gain.
:
: <snip self-referential flotsam>
:
: What does atheism have to do with Terri Schiavo? Plenty of theists
: were against the unconstitutional intervention of the FL legislature
: and her parents pandering to the media in an attempt to contravene her
: wishes and usurp the authority of her husband.
What does Davie have to do with reality? He's just a hateful little
xian bigot. Clearly, he recognizes the superiority of our position,
but doesn't have the sense to accept it.
Come on Davie, join us on the bright side!! Leave the dark behind
(I'm not talking about that hooker's *****, you're busy pumping,
either), become a full human being, won't you?
I'm not even sure he is a Christian.
What is "a Christian"?
<snip proselytizing>
You're overcomplicating things. From Google define:Chrsitian
a religious person who believes Jesus is the Christ and who is a member
of a Christian denomination
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
The term Christian means "belonging to Christ" and is derived from the
Greek noun Χριστός Khristós which means "anointed one," which
is itself a translation of the Hebrew word Moshiach (Hebrew: משיח,
also written "Messiah"), (and in Arabic it is pronounced Maseeh
مسيح). ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian
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| User: "david ford" |
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06 Apr 2006 11:36:57 AM |
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Stile4aly wrote:
david ford wrote:
AC wrote:
On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 Prunefinger <misleart@ameritech.net> wrote:
"Stile4aly" <stile4aly@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1144251160.197208.95250@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
: david ford wrote:
: > Terri Schindler Schiavo's death-by-starvation was not a loss, and
: > keeping her was no specific gain.
: >
: > Losing you is not a loss, and keeping you is no specific gain.
:
: <snip self-referential flotsam>
:
: What does atheism have to do with Terri Schiavo? Plenty of theists
: were against the unconstitutional intervention of the FL legislature
: and her parents pandering to the media in an attempt to contravene her
: wishes and usurp the authority of her husband.
What does Davie have to do with reality? He's just a hateful little
xian bigot. Clearly, he recognizes the superiority of our position,
but doesn't have the sense to accept it.
Come on Davie, join us on the bright side!! Leave the dark behind
(I'm not talking about that hooker's *****, you're busy pumping,
either), become a full human being, won't you?
I'm not even sure he is a Christian.
What is "a Christian"?
<snip proselytizing>
Inserting some "proselytizing":
the question of accountability favors conversion to atheism
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1137184204.545825.116810%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
convert to secular humanism to enjoy guiltless sexual activity of many
varieties
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0409241109.17e2611d%40posting.google.com
1999 Paul Vitz on personal convenience; 2002 Benjamin Wiker
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-35qe6lF4orjsoU1%40individual.net
your freethought/ atheism conversion experience?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135012135.008700.163480%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1874 Huxley: "unbelieving dogs who resist the Prophet of Evolution"
i.e. Haeckel
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141181413.323360.165370%40p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com
You're overcomplicating things. From Google define:Chrsitian
a religious person who believes Jesus is the Christ and who is a member
of a Christian denomination
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
Meaning of "Christ"? (if you say: 'Messiah': meaning of 'Messiah'?)
The term Christian means "belonging to Christ" and is derived from the
Greek noun Χριστός Khristós which means "anointed one," which
is itself a translation of the Hebrew word Moshiach (Hebrew: משיח,
also written "Messiah"), (and in Arabic it is pronounced Maseeh
مسيح). ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian
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| User: "AC" |
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05 Apr 2006 12:29:53 PM |
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On 5 Apr 2006 08:32:40 -0700,
Stile4aly <stile4aly@yahoo.com> wrote:
david ford wrote:
Terri Schindler Schiavo's death-by-starvation was not a loss, and
keeping her was no specific gain.
Losing you is not a loss, and keeping you is no specific gain.
<snip self-referential flotsam>
What does atheism have to do with Terri Schiavo? Plenty of theists
were against the unconstitutional intervention of the FL legislature
and her parents pandering to the media in an attempt to contravene her
wishes and usurp the authority of her husband.
It has nothing to do with Mrs. Schiavo, but Ford and all those immoral
hangers-on that helped the Schindlers slander and libel Mr. Schiavo want to
extend this into some sort of atheistic culture of death nonsense. The fact
that the woman had no forebrain left doesn't bother them. The fact that
anything of the personality, memory and cognitive nature of the poor woman
had died many years before due to her own actions is meaningless. They'll
repeat the disproven accusations against Mr. Schiavo, bearing false witness
and ultimately betraying every principle they seem to hold so important.
It really isn't that different than Dover, where you see people who claim
that those that they oppose will turn the world into a realm of immorality,
and yet lie, deceive and cheat in an attempt to overturn the much-hated
secularism.
Ford is probably insane, but most definitely immoral. He won't let the
woman rest, and just a few days ago repeated the same false claim that Mr.
Schiavo had been involved in her brain damage. Perhaps Ford is a Calvinist,
and does not feel he needs to worry about being evil, as he's already saved.
--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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| User: "Lt. Kizhe Catson" |
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07 Apr 2006 03:43:02 PM |
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AC wrote:
[snip Fordiot's hate-mongering]
It has nothing to do with Mrs. Schiavo, but Ford and all those immoral
hangers-on that helped the Schindlers slander and libel Mr. Schiavo want to
extend this into some sort of atheistic culture of death nonsense. The fact
that the woman had no forebrain left doesn't bother them. [......]
Of course it wouldn't bother them. I mean she was still perfectly
qualified to be a fundamentalist wing-nut radio show host, right?
-- Kizhe
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| User: "david ford" |
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07 Apr 2006 04:30:29 PM |
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Lt. Kizhe Catson wrote:
AC wrote:
[snip Fordiot's hate-mongering]
It has nothing to do with Mrs. Schiavo, but Ford and all those immoral
hangers-on that helped the Schindlers slander and libel Mr. Schiavo want to
extend this into some sort of atheistic culture of death nonsense. The fact
that the woman had no forebrain left doesn't bother them.
[......]
Of course it wouldn't bother them. I mean she was still perfectly
qualified to be a fundamentalist wing-nut radio show host, right?
That, or Pope.
25 December 2000. "Pope warns over 'culture of death'"
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/12/25/pope.christmas/
VATICAN CITY -- Pope John Paul II, in his
Christmas message, warned of a "culture of death"
threatening the world, and condemned violence in
Indonesia and the Mideast.
==
Sin, he said, was reflected in many of the problems
that continue to mar humanity, including violence
against women and children, the marginalisation of
the young and elderly, and "endless streams of
exiles and refugees."
The pope also spoke of the "shadows of death" that
are "especially menacing at (life's) earliest
beginning and its natural end"-- a reference to
abortion and euthanasia, which the Vatican strongly
opposes.
Here's the strongest piece of evidence that [AC]"the woman [Terri
Schindler Schiavo] had no forebrain":
September 2003 Heidi Law, who worked at a Terri nursing home from March
1997 to mid-summer of 1997
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115683914.394927.244340%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
13. I witnessed a priest visiting Terri a couple of times. Terri
would become quiet when he prayed with her. She couldn't
bow her head because of her stiff neck, but she would still try.
During the prayer, she would keep her eyes closed, opening
them afterward. She laughed at jokes he told her. I definitely
know that Terri "is in there."
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Darwin: [Greg]"the careless, squalid, unaspiring Irishman multiplies
like rabbits"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135088486.532238.194930%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler; Darwin: "the evil which the Catholic Church has thus effected
is incalculable"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134662154.179171.232450%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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| User: "Lt. Kizhe Catson" |
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10 Apr 2006 01:24:51 PM |
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david ford wrote:
Lt. Kizhe Catson wrote:
AC wrote:
[snip Fordiot's hate-mongering]
It has nothing to do with Mrs. Schiavo, but Ford and all those immoral
hangers-on that helped the Schindlers slander and libel Mr. Schiavo want to
extend this into some sort of atheistic culture of death nonsense. The fact
that the woman had no forebrain left doesn't bother them.
[......]
Of course it wouldn't bother them. I mean she was still perfectly
qualified to be a fundamentalist wing-nut radio show host, right?
[irrelevant Pope-quote snipped]
Here's the strongest piece of evidence that [AC]"the woman [Terri
Schindler Schiavo] had no forebrain":
September 2003 Heidi Law, who worked at a Terri nursing home from March
[....]
Huh? David, you must have pasted in the wrong piece of text from your
vast collection here. The strongest piece of evidence that Terri had no
forebrain would be the autopsy that confirmed the pre-mortem brain-scan,
showing that her forebrain was physically absent. As in gone. Not
there. Tissue replaced by cerebro-spinal fluid.
But as I said, since you and your ilk seem to get by without any
perceptible forebrain function, I guess that's why you're so gung-ho
that Terri was still alive and worth saving.
-- Kzihe
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| User: "david ford" |
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11 Apr 2006 08:28:52 PM |
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Lt. Kizhe Catson wrote:
david ford wrote:
Lt. Kizhe Catson wrote:
AC wrote:
[snip Fordiot's hate-mongering]
It has nothing to do with Mrs. Schiavo, but Ford and all those immoral
hangers-on that helped the Schindlers slander and libel Mr. Schiavo want to
extend this into some sort of atheistic culture of death nonsense. The fact
that the woman had no forebrain left doesn't bother them.
[......]
Of course it wouldn't bother them. I mean she was still perfectly
qualified to be a fundamentalist wing-nut radio show host, right?
[irrelevant Pope-quote snipped]
Here's the strongest piece of evidence that [AC]"the woman [Terri
Schindler Schiavo] had no forebrain":
September 2003 Heidi Law, who worked at a Terri nursing home from March
[....]
Huh? David, you must have pasted in the wrong piece of text from your
vast collection here. The strongest piece of evidence that Terri had no
forebrain would be the autopsy that confirmed the pre-mortem brain-scan,
showing that her forebrain was physically absent. As in gone. Not
there. Tissue replaced by cerebro-spinal fluid.
But as I said, since you and your ilk seem to get by without any
perceptible forebrain function, I guess that's why you're so gung-ho
that Terri was still alive and worth saving.
"you [df] and your ilk seem to get by without any perceptible forebrain
function"
I spit on Catholics in general. Herein are strong pieces of evidence
that Terri Schindler Schiavo was "without any perceptible forebrain
function":
September 2003 Heidi Law, who worked at a Terri nursing home from March
1997 to mid-summer of 1997
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115683914.394927.244340%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
13. I witnessed a priest visiting Terri a couple of times. Terri
would become quiet when he prayed with her. She couldn't
bow her head because of her stiff neck, but she would still try.
During the prayer, she would keep her eyes closed, opening
them afterward. She laughed at jokes he told her. I definitely
know that Terri "is in there."
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
1997 Nicholas Humphrey
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0406081943.625bd70c%40posting.google.com
Andrew Brown's comments on Humphrey
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0406131334.2de61508%40posting.google.com
Darwin: [Greg]"the careless, squalid, unaspiring Irishman multiplies
like rabbits"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135088486.532238.194930%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler; Darwin: "the evil which the Catholic Church has thus effected
is incalculable"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134662154.179171.232450%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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| User: "stew dean" |
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13 Apr 2006 03:48:32 AM |
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david ford wrote:
I spit on Catholics in general.
"I spit on Catholics in general [df]"
Why do you hate Catholics?
Who else do you hate?
Why do you feel the need to hate in the first place?
Do you think Hilter was right?
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| User: "Lt. Kizhe Catson" |
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12 Apr 2006 12:43:06 PM |
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david ford wrote:
Lt. Kizhe Catson wrote:
david ford wrote:
Lt. Kizhe Catson wrote:
AC wrote:
[snip Fordiot's hate-mongering]
It has nothing to do with Mrs. Schiavo, but Ford and all those immoral
hangers-on that helped the Schindlers slander and libel Mr. Schiavo want to
extend this into some sort of atheistic culture of death nonsense. The fact
that the woman had no forebrain left doesn't bother them.
[......]
Of course it wouldn't bother them. I mean she was still perfectly
qualified to be a fundamentalist wing-nut radio show host, right?
[irrelevant Pope-quote snipped]
Here's the strongest piece of evidence that [AC]"the woman [Terri
Schindler Schiavo] had no forebrain":
September 2003 Heidi Law, who worked at a Terri nursing home from March
[....]
Huh? David, you must have pasted in the wrong piece of text from your
vast collection here. The strongest piece of evidence that Terri had no
forebrain would be the autopsy that confirmed the pre-mortem brain-scan,
showing that her forebrain was physically absent. As in gone. Not
there. Tissue replaced by cerebro-spinal fluid.
But as I said, since you and your ilk seem to get by without any
perceptible forebrain function, I guess that's why you're so gung-ho
that Terri was still alive and worth saving.
"you [df] and your ilk seem to get by without any perceptible forebrain
function"
I spit on Catholics in general.
Do you really? That's appalling. Spitting on people is disgusting, and
I think legally can be prosecuted as assault. And I really can't
imagine being so hostile towards a whole group of people, just because
of a difference in religious opinion. A couple of my oldest and closest
friends are devout Catholics: we have our differences, but they're
basically decent honest people, and I'd be quite upset if someone were
to treat them so shabbily. This comment shows you to be a boorish,
hateful bigot (but we knew that, didn't we?).
... Herein are strong pieces of evidence
that Terri Schindler Schiavo was "without any perceptible forebrain
function":
Let's cut the sarcasm for a minute here, shall we? What you really mean
is that you think the subjective judgement of nursing home employee
outweighs the autopsy finding that her fore-brain was *gone*. But I see
in another post you express doubt about that finding. So, was the
coroner who did the autopsy also part of the Great Terri Coverup? Are
you really that far gone in your paranoid delusions? Get help, David.
September 2003 Heidi Law, who worked at a Terri nursing home from March
1997 to mid-summer of 1997
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115683914.394927.244340%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
13. I witnessed a priest visiting Terri a couple of times. Terri
would become quiet when he prayed with her. She couldn't
bow her head because of her stiff neck, but she would still try.
During the prayer, she would keep her eyes closed, opening
them afterward. She laughed at jokes he told her. I definitely
know that Terri "is in there."
[irrelevancies snipped]
-- Kizhe
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| User: "Stile4aly" |
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| Title: Re: rallying slogan for atheism |
07 Apr 2006 06:08:23 PM |
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david ford wrote:
snip>
Here's the strongest piece of evidence that [AC]"the woman [Terri
Schindler Schiavo] had no forebrain":
September 2003 Heidi Law, who worked at a Terri nursing home from March
1997 to mid-summer of 1997
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115683914.394927.244340%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
13. I witnessed a priest visiting Terri a couple of times. Terri
would become quiet when he prayed with her. She couldn't
bow her head because of her stiff neck, but she would still try.
During the prayer, she would keep her eyes closed, opening
them afterward. She laughed at jokes he told her. I definitely
know that Terri "is in there."
Except that other affidavits state that Terri would laugh or remain
quiet with her eyes closed whether someone was in the room or not.
Above and beyond that, an autopsy showed that her forebrain was gone.
Do you deny this?
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: rallying slogan for atheism |
11 Apr 2006 08:33:50 PM |
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Stile4aly wrote:
david ford wrote:
September 2003 Heidi Law, who worked at a Terri nursing home from March
1997 to mid-summer of 1997
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115683914.394927.244340%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
13. I witnessed a priest visiting Terri a couple of times. Terri
would become quiet when he prayed with her. She couldn't
bow her head because of her stiff neck, but she would still try.
During the prayer, she would keep her eyes closed, opening
them afterward. She laughed at jokes he told her. I definitely
know that Terri "is in there."
Except that other affidavits state that Terri would laugh or remain
quiet with her eyes closed whether someone was in the room or not.
Refs?
Above and beyond that, an autopsy showed that her forebrain was gone.
Do you deny this?
No, but I also don't accept it. If you supply some evidence for your
assertion, I might accept it.
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| User: "AC" |
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12 Apr 2006 11:22:11 AM |
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On 11 Apr 2006 18:33:50 -0700,
david ford <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Stile4aly wrote:
david ford wrote:
September 2003 Heidi Law, who worked at a Terri nursing home from March
1997 to mid-summer of 1997
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115683914.394927.244340%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
13. I witnessed a priest visiting Terri a couple of times. Terri
would become quiet when he prayed with her. She couldn't
bow her head because of her stiff neck, but she would still try.
During the prayer, she would keep her eyes closed, opening
them afterward. She laughed at jokes he told her. I definitely
know that Terri "is in there."
Except that other affidavits state that Terri would laugh or remain
quiet with her eyes closed whether someone was in the room or not.
Refs?
Above and beyond that, an autopsy showed that her forebrain was gone.
Do you deny this?
No, but I also don't accept it. If you supply some evidence for your
assertion, I might accept it.
So you're saying the autopsy and previous scans were forgeries.
--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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05 Apr 2006 01:10:23 PM |
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david ford wrote:
Terri Schindler Schiavo's death-by-starvation was not a loss, and
keeping her was no specific gain.
Losing you is not a loss, and keeping you is no specific gain.
Moron.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC department of little adhesive-backed shiny plastic
L-shaped doo-dads to add feet to Jesus Fish department
It is safe to say that the bible contains equal amounts of fact, history
and pizza.
-Penn Jillette
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| User: "Dave" |
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| Title: Re: rallying slogan for atheism: "Remember david ford?" |
05 Apr 2006 12:38:12 PM |
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david ford wrote:
Terri Schindler Schiavo's death-by-starvation was not a loss, and
keeping her was no specific gain.
[...]
Read the autopsy, then go buy some beer and cry in it.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: rallying slogan for atheism: "Remember david ford?" |
05 Apr 2006 12:47:40 PM |
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On the auspictious date of 5 Apr 2006 10:38:12 -0700, Dave said unto
the multitude in message-id
<1144258692.291145.203620@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:
david ford wrote:
Terri Schindler Schiavo's death-by-starvation was not a loss, and
keeping her was no specific gain.
[...]
Read the autopsy, then go buy some beer and cry in it.
Surely "then get someone to buy you a beer..."?
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