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User:	"david ford"
Date:	28 Feb 2006 08:50:53 AM
Object:	Re: Hitler & Darwin URLs

wrote:

dford3@gl.umbc.edu wrote:

(snip)

Aren't all of these links off-topic for talk.origins?

Which links?

Shouldn't they
be posted to some sort of forum about politics or morals? They don't
actually have anything to do with origins.

"morals.... origins"
1995 Dennett: "Darwinian thinking helps us see why the traditional
hope of solving these problems (finding a moral algorithm) is forlorn"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0408021033.78218bde%40posting.google.com
1997 Edward O. Wilson: "scientific materialism explains vastly more of
the tangible world.... Its discoveries suggest that, like it or not,
we are alone. We must measure and judge ourselves, and we will decide
our own destiny."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0408121848.fb6ab07%40posting.google.com
the question of accountability favors conversion to atheism
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1137184204.545825.116810%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
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User: "david ford"
Title: mentions of "Aryan" by Huxley	28 Feb 2006 09:18:48 PM

do a control - f/ "find" for: aryan
on the various docs you wish to look closer at:
mentions of "Aryan" by Huxley
http://www.google.com/search?q=aryan+site:http://aleph0.clarku.edu/huxley+&hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&start=0&sa=N
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
agree with Hitler about who 'Jews' are?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1136226458.258397.34490%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Koster, Jr., John P. 1989. _The Atheist Syndrome_
(Brentwood, Tennessee: Wolgemuth & Hyatt, Publishers, Inc.),
199pp. On 148:
Hitler's anti-Semitism... he based it clearly on
Darwinian principles.
Before Hitler, anti-Semites had attacked Jews
verbally or physically because of their religious
differences from Christians. Hitler's anti-Semitism
identified the Jews as a race. This identification of
course has no basis in science, because modern
Jews are composed of several different national and
racial stocks. To talk about the Jewish "race" is as
absurd as talking about the Catholic "race" or the
American "race."
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1859 Darwin vs. the Judeo-Christian conception of the unity of man
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120016676.023811.113660%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler & Darwin URLs
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1140576033.123225.228290%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
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User: "david ford"
Title: Mindreader Mitchell: "Darwin opposed eugenics in general and in principle"	10 Mar 2006 08:15:10 PM

Mindreader Mitchell Coffey <mdotcoffeyatstarpowerdot...@giganews.com>
in "Re: A scientific theory against God and morality" on 6 Feb 2006" in
message-ID: <lnndu1pvdem3l819gntcmq446vge7rioq5@4ax.com>:

On 3 Feb 2006 18:46:25 -0800, "nando_rontel...@yahoo.com"
<nando_rontel...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Mindreader Mitchell Coffey wrote:

[snip]

Darwin opposed eugenics in general and in principle.

Refs, Mindreader Mitchell?
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an exercise: parallels between 1871/4 Darwin & 1924/5 Hitler?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1134448996.907734.300780%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
4 more Hitler-Darwin parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135092414.972723.104980%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Darwin on selection of Spartan children
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Darwin on [1871 Darwin]"careful selection" in connection with the
breeding of humans;
1924/5 Hitler & 1871 Darwin on heterogeneous & homogeneous peoples
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133977762.788382.143030%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Darwin: "the finest young men are.... exposed to early death during
war.... feebler men... are left at home"
Http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1136999331.757403.75700%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler & Darwin URLs
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1140576033.123225.228290%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Do a control - f/ "find" for: Galton
on each of the entries on these pages to review the Darwin mentions of
Galton:
http://www.google.com/custom?domains=www.literature.org&sitesearch=www.literature.org&client=pub-7416764480725418&forid=1&channel=7265410994&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=active&cof=GALT%3A%23000066%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23FFFFFF%3BVLC%3A000033%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3A330099%3BALC%3A000066%3BLC%3A000066%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A000066%3BGIMP%3A000066%3BS%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.literature.org%2F%3BFORID%3A1%3B&hl=en&q=galton+darwin&sa=Search+
http://search.freefind.com/find.html?oq=galton&id=26989411&pageid=r&query=galton&Find=Search&mode=ALL&search=all

Actually Darwin headed the eugenics society in Brittain.

Aha, I'm talking about Darwin's son now. Go ahead and lynch his son,
like you fellows previously lynched Darwin's own chosen closest ally
in science Haeckel.

So you were lying, about Darwin and eugenics, and are lying in your
guilt-by-associating attack regarding Haeckel. No honest and
knowledge person could claim that Haeckel was more of an "ally" of
Darwin than Huxley. Darwin and Haeckel had fundamental differences on
the science of evolutions, as well as on issues of politics and
religion.

In England, Huxley was more of an ally of Darwin than Haeckel.
In Germany, Haeckel was more of an ally of Darwin than Huxley.
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1874 Huxley: "unbelieving dogs who resist the Prophet of Evolution"
i.e. Haeckel
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141181413.323360.165370%40p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com
Darwin only talks to and through his prophets.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-37f8trF5cdutnU1%40individual.net
your freethought/ atheism conversion experience?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135012135.008700.163480%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com

Your guilt-by-association attack is dishonest beyond the fact that it
is a logical fallacy, and you know it. But even if it were valid,
your use is dishonest, because you are in this and other posts allying
yourself with people far more racist than Darwin, specifically William
Jennings Bryan, as well as with people and organizations supportive of
eugenics and as anti-Semitic as Haeckel, including the Ku Klux Klan.
You don't seem to consider yourself morally responsible for Bryan's
racism and the Klan's racism, anti-Semitism, anti-Catholicism, and
murderous violence.

"the Klan's racism, anti-Semitism, anti-Catholicism, and murderous
violence"
"Exalted Cyclops" and "Kleagle" Klansman Byrd
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1139415168.982184.203250%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Al Gore; link to Byrd (D-WV) speech
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0503031422.18277f4e%40posting.google.com
Wolfe in _The New Republic_
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-39rvm4F63q0jrU1%40individual.net
Hugo Black, a hero to strict
separationists, joined the Ku Klux Klan in his youth
as much for its hostility to Catholics as for its
racism....
As far as you know, Mindreader Mitchell, did Charles Darwin ever engage
in "anti-Catholicism"?
Hitler; Darwin: "the evil which the Catholic Church has thus effected
is incalculable"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134662154.179171.232450%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian doctrine
of redemption"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120260213.363834.164990%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Goebbels: "Goering... addressed a sharp letter to Bishops Galen... and
Berning"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1124768891.979046.93770%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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User: "Mitchell Coffey"
Title: Re: Mindreader Mitchell: "Darwin opposed eugenics in general and in principle"	12 Mar 2006 01:27:21 AM

David Ford, the antisemite, keeps adding
alt.politics.nationalism.white and alt.revisionism. I've removed
them.
On 10 Mar 2006 18:15:10 -0800, "david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu>
wrote:

Mindreader Mitchell Coffey <mdotcoffeyatstarpowerdot...@giganews.com>
in "Re: A scientific theory against God and morality" on 6 Feb 2006" in
message-ID: <lnndu1pvdem3l819gntcmq446vge7rioq5@4ax.com>:

On 3 Feb 2006 18:46:25 -0800, "nando_rontel...@yahoo.com"
<nando_rontel...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Mindreader Mitchell Coffey wrote:

[snip]

Darwin opposed eugenics in general and in principle.

Refs, Mindreader Mitchell?

Nando has not only seen the ref, he has posted it.
You're asking me for refs? Do you still deny you lied about that
quote from Prof. Lipstadt? If so, since I've post not just the ref
but her actual words - well, I suppose there's nothing you can do but
admit you're a persistent liar and promise not to do it again.

In England, Huxley was more of an ally of Darwin than Haeckel.

In Germany, Haeckel was more of an ally of Darwin than Huxley.

A truly stupid claim, David, even for you. It ignores a great deal of
history and contradicts nothing I wrote above.
[snip]

How in your mind does this make up for the fact that, for instance,
Bryan rose in front of the Democratic National Convention to defend
the Klan almost a year to the day before the Scopes trial?
I don't know a single active Democrat unaware of Byrd's racist record
prior to the mid-1960s.

Al Gore; link to Byrd (D-WV) speech
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0503031422.18277f4e%40posting.google.com

A particularly dishonest claim, David, even for you. Not really a
link, and unrelated to the Klan.

Wolfe in _The New Republic_
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-39rvm4F63q0jrU1%40individual.net
Hugo Black, a hero to strict
separationists, joined the Ku Klux Klan in his youth
as much for its hostility to Catholics as for its
racism....

Yes, as a young man Black supported the Klan, Bryan, racial
segregation and laws banning the teaching of evolution in schools.

As far as you know, Mindreader Mitchell, did Charles Darwin ever engage
in "anti-Catholicism"?

Do you consider condemning the Spanish Inquisition "anti-Catholicism?"
You continually to attack Darwin for attacking the Inquisition. You've
refused even to agree that the Inquisition was bad, on the grounds
that Communism in the 20th century was worse.
Interesting, in the quotes you compare below, Darwin attacks the
Inquisition. Hitler does not; the Hitler quote is in fact *defending*
earlier repression by the Catholic Church. It was regrettable, Hitler
says, but necessary.
Nonetheless, you imply that Hitler was saying something similar to
Darwin. Your error may stem from the fact that you don't know was the
word "apodictic" means.

Hitler; Darwin: "the evil which the Catholic Church has thus effected
is incalculable"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134662154.179171.232450%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

[snip]

Goebbels: "Goering... addressed a sharp letter to Bishops Galen... and
Berning"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1124768891.979046.93770%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

I can't deny it; you quote Goebbels right there in black-and-white.
It's March of 1942, the Holocaust is just getting off the ground. In
the privacy of his diary, after a discussion with Goering, Goebbel let
go with all his venom exactly how the two, in one case with direct
orders from Hitler, would act against prominent critics in the
Protestant and Catholic churches.
But before getting to that, Goebbels says "We start with the
transportation problem...." This would be a reference to rescheduling
the Germany train system -- quite a trick in war-time ! -- to take all
those millions of Jews off to various places to kill them. Then they
get around to the more important work of persecuting the Protestants
and Catholics.
Well, to begin with, there's this old Field Marshal von Mackensen who
was " being used a little too much by subversive elements for their
propaganda." Specifically, Goebbel rails, " Mackensen has for some
time been active as a sort of granddaddy of the Christian churches."
Now Mackensen had gone and forged a letter critical of the Nazis and
sent it to the wrong person. So Goering had " been ordered by the
Fuehrer to ask Field Marshal von Mackensen to come to see him and
give him a piece of his mind." Obviously, Hitler was pissed.
Goebbels is firm and reiterates "Goering will give [Mackensen] an
unequivocal piece of his mind. "
But Goebbel and Goering didn't stop there. The oppression of the
Christians continued: There was the matter of Bishops Galen of
Muenster and Berning of Osnabrueck. Goering addressed them both a
sharp letter.
M.C.
.

User: "rich hammett"
Title: Re: Mindreader Mitchell: "Darwin opposed eugenics in general and in principle"	13 Mar 2006 11:35:23 AM

In talk.origins Mitchell Coffey <mdotcoffeyatstarpowerdotnet@giganews.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin h�m�h�kki:

You're asking me for refs? Do you still deny you lied about that
quote from Prof. Lipstadt? If so, since I've post not just the ref
but her actual words - well, I suppose there's nothing you can do but
admit you're a persistent liar and promise not to do it again.

If you like I can run by Prof Lipstadt's office next week. I'd
go this week, but we're on spring break at Emory. She'd probably
be happy to know that one of her online stalkers is q non-violent
loon.
rich
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User: "Mitchell Coffey"
Title: Re: Mindreader Mitchell: "Darwin opposed eugenics in general and in principle"	14 Mar 2006 12:14:30 AM

On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:35:23 -0000, rich hammett
<bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote:

In talk.origins Mitchell Coffey <mdotcoffeyatstarpowerdotnet@giganews.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin h�m�h�kki:

If you like I can run by Prof Lipstadt's office next week. I'd
go this week, but we're on spring break at Emory. She'd probably
be happy to know that one of her online stalkers is q non-violent
loon.

David doesn't stalk Lipstadt. He just did one of his creative
re-writes on a passage in a book of hers that I own. I'm mildly
interested in the fact that it doesn't seem to bother him to be caught
lying.
If you do see Dr. Lipstadt I'd be more interested in her take on Mr.
Irving's latest legal troubles.
Mitchell
.

User: "david ford"
Title: Re: Mindreader Mitchell: "Darwin opposed eugenics in general and in principle"	14 Mar 2006 09:57:53 AM

Mindreader Mitchell Coffey wrote:

On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:35:23 -0000, rich hammett
<bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote:

In talk.origins Mitchell Coffey <mdotcoffeyatstarpowerdotnet@giganews.com> wrote:

If you like I can run by Prof Lipstadt's office next week. I'd
go this week, but we're on spring break at Emory. She'd probably
be happy to know that one of her online stalkers is q non-violent
loon.

David doesn't stalk Lipstadt. He just did one of his creative
re-writes on a passage in a book of hers that I own.

1939 Martha Dodd: Ernst Rohm rumored to be Hitler's better half
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127447560.529159.263760%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com

I'm mildly
interested in the fact that it doesn't seem to bother him to be caught
lying.

If you do see Dr. Lipstadt I'd be more interested in her take on Mr.
Irving's latest legal troubles.

User: "Matt Silberstein"
Title: Re: Mindreader Mitchell: "Darwin opposed eugenics in general and in principle"	14 Mar 2006 10:06:32 AM

On 14 Mar 2006 07:57:53 -0800, in alt.atheism , "david ford"
<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> in
<dford3-1142351873.894602.201920@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> wrote:

Mindreader Mitchell Coffey wrote:

On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:35:23 -0000, rich hammett
<bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote:

In talk.origins Mitchell Coffey <mdotcoffeyatstarpowerdotnet@giganews.com> wrote:

If you like I can run by Prof Lipstadt's office next week. I'd
go this week, but we're on spring break at Emory. She'd probably
be happy to know that one of her online stalkers is q non-violent
loon.

David doesn't stalk Lipstadt. He just did one of his creative
re-writes on a passage in a book of hers that I own.

1939 Martha Dodd: Ernst Rohm rumored to be Hitler's better half
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127447560.529159.263760%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Meaning of [DF]"1939"?

Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com

I'm mildly
interested in the fact that it doesn't seem to bother him to be caught
lying.

If you do see Dr. Lipstadt I'd be more interested in her take on Mr.
Irving's latest legal troubles.

--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
.

User: "Mitchell Coffey"
Title: Re: Mindreader Mitchell: "Darwin opposed eugenics in general and in principle"	14 Mar 2006 06:15:35 PM

Matt Silberstein wrote:

On 14 Mar 2006 07:57:53 -0800, in alt.atheism , "david ford"
<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> in
<dford3-1142351873.894602.201920@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> wrote:

Mindreader Mitchell Coffey wrote:

On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:35:23 -0000, rich hammett
<bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote:

In talk.origins Mitchell Coffey <mdotcoffeyatstarpowerdotnet@giganews.com> wrote:

If you like I can run by Prof Lipstadt's office next week. I'd

go this week, but we're on spring break at Emory. She'd probably

be happy to know that one of her online stalkers is q non-violent
loon.

David doesn't stalk Lipstadt. He just did one of his creative
re-writes on a passage in a book of hers that I own.

1939 Martha Dodd: Ernst Rohm rumored to be Hitler's better half

[snip]
Meaning of [DF] "Rumored"?

Meaning of [DF]"1939"?

It means [HEX] "793."
[snip]

I'm mildly interested in the fact that it doesn't seem to bother him to be caught
lying.

If you do see Dr. Lipstadt I'd be more interested in her take on Mr. Irving's latest
legal troubles.

It would be fascinating to discuss Irving with Lipstadt.
By the way, are there any new rumors about? I only recall three or
four men closely allied with the Administration whom I've heard rumored
to be homosexual. By "allied" I mean someone holding a position
more-or-less like having been recently confirmed as Chief Justice of
the United States Supreme Court, or being the current Chairman of the
Republican National Committee, or being Bush's closest personal advisor
(who I recently read had, after one of those Administration scandal
things, "closeted" with the President for some extended period of
time).
Since I have no evidence either way that isn't circumstantial -- that
is, involves one or more circumstances -- I shan't name them. I can't
remember the fourth -- though, now that I think of it, it was Grover
Norquist.
Mitchell
.

User: "Michael Siemon"
Title: Re: Mindreader Mitchell: "Darwin opposed eugenics in general and in principle"	14 Mar 2006 08:57:28 PM

In article <1142374135.607564.78860@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>,
"Mitchell Coffey" <m.coffey@starpower.net> wrote:
....

Since I have no evidence either way that isn't circumstantial -- that
is, involves one or more circumstances -- I shan't name them. I can't
remember the fourth -- though, now that I think of it, it was Grover
Norquist.

Ack! Mitchell, you are making me feel (as no moronic "Evangelical"
nitwit has ever been able to do) as if my sexual orientation were
dirty.
.

User: "Mitchell Coffey"
Title: Re: Mindreader Mitchell: "Darwin opposed eugenics in general and in principle"	15 Mar 2006 01:02:03 AM

Michael Siemon wrote:

In article <1142374135.607564.78860@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>,
"Mitchell Coffey" <m.coffey@starpower.net> wrote:
...

Ack! Mitchell, you are making me feel (as no moronic "Evangelical"
nitwit has ever been able to do) as if my sexual orientation were
dirty.

Michael, I can only respond with the Jack Nicholson line from As Good
As It Gets: "If that did it for me, I'd be the luckiest man in the
World..."
Wait, you meant that as if one's sexual orientation being dirty was a
*bad* thing! A common misapprehension, for sure, but we overlapped
each other at Berkeley; if only we'd met, I had some gay friends I'm
certain would have gotten you over that hump. One of them wore a red
cape, told this limericks involving petroleum jelly, and would torment
the Trotskyists by telling them how the Bay of Pigs Invasion was right,
because of Castro's persecution of Cuban Gays.
You see, being straight, the most interesting non-academic activities
at Berkeley involved the campus pools after hours, and various
not-too-distant beaches, lakes and rivers -- the best of the latter
being the one that ran through Napa Valley; the free wine was much
freer back then. I christianed these activities "creative swimming"
because every other term was known to our parents.
Mitchell
.

User: "Matt Silberstein"
Title: Re: Mindreader Mitchell: "Darwin opposed eugenics in general and in principle"	15 Mar 2006 08:32:20 AM

On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:57:28 -0800, in talk.origins , Michael Siemon
<mlsiemon@sonic.net> in
<mlsiemon-314477.18572814032006@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net> wrote:

In article <1142374135.607564.78860@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>,
"Mitchell Coffey" <m.coffey@starpower.net> wrote:

...

Ack! Mitchell, you are making me feel (as no moronic "Evangelical"
nitwit has ever been able to do) as if my sexual orientation were
dirty.

Argh, what a, pardon the expression, straight line. I came up with:
"You say that like it is a bad thing."
and
"Well, mine is so why not yours as well."
and
"At least your not a Republican."
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
.

User: "rich hammett"
Title: Re: Mindreader Mitchell: "Darwin opposed eugenics in general and in principle"	14 Mar 2006 07:00:45 PM

In talk.origins Mitchell Coffey <m.coffey@starpower.net> sanoi, hitaasti kuin h�m�h�kki:

Matt Silberstein wrote:
Meaning of [DF] "Rumored"?

Meaning of [DF]"1939"?

It means [HEX] "793."

Ponder Stibbons, is that you?

Mehlman and Rove wouldn't surprise me, they're part of that
"morality is for other people" krewe that surrounds the
president. Roberts seems to be firm enough in his
convictions that if he were gay, we wouldn't know it.
I don't mean to imply that I think being gay is immoral,
just that Rove and Mehlman move in those circles.

Norquist is a scum demon from the lowest level of hell.
Sorry, but I've listened to too much Al Franken, wrt
the Marianas Islands slavery for fun and profit operations
that Norquist's associated with. And Tom DeLay, for that
matter.
rich
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User: "Michael Siemon"
Title: Re: Mindreader Mitchell: "Darwin opposed eugenics in general and in principle"	14 Mar 2006 08:59:23 PM

In article <121eppt6pcrbc4c@corp.supernews.com>,
rich hammett <bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote:
....

Norquist is a scum demon from the lowest level of hell.

You are a saint; I don't know how anyone could be that
charitable to him...
.

User: "Mitchell Coffey"
Title: Re: Mindreader Mitchell: "Darwin opposed eugenics in general and in principle"	15 Mar 2006 01:30:30 AM

rich hammett wrote:

In talk.origins Mitchell Coffey <m.coffey@starpower.net> sanoi, hitaasti kuin h�m�h�kki:

Matt Silberstein wrote:

Meaning of [DF] "Rumored"?

Meaning of [DF]"1939"?

It means [HEX] "793."

Ponder Stibbons, is that you?

Which is what my name is.

It would be fascinating to discuss Irving with Lipstadt.

I was hoping you would do so. I imagine

By the way, are there any new rumors about? I only recall three or
four men closely allied with the Administration whom I've heard rumored
to be homosexual. By "allied" I mean someone holding a position
more-or-less like having been recently confirmed as Chief Justice of
the United States Supreme Court, or being the current Chairman of the
Republican National Committee, or being Bush's closest personal advisor
(who I recently read had, after one of those Administration scandal
things, "closeted" with the President for some extended period of
time).

But... but... it's supported by *rumors*!

I don't mean to imply that I think being gay is immoral,
just that Rove and Mehlman move in those circles.

Though I shouldn't imagine they'd be the ones who'd move.

Norquist is a scum demon from the lowest level of hell.

What a horrid thing to wish upon, if I recall my Dante right, Judas,
Brutus and - was it Cassius?

Sorry, but I've listened to too much Al Franken, wrt
the Marianas Islands slavery for fun and profit operations
that Norquist's associated with. And Tom DeLay, for that
matter.

Slavery, it seems, always involves "fun." Darwin invented slavery, you
know; I rather suspect David Ford imagines Darwin invented "fun." Ford
surely opposes "fun." Or at least as a social activity. Ford,
American Individualist, believes not in seeking the assistance of
anyone, if 'tis something he can do himself with his own bare hands.
Mitchell
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User: "david ford"
Title: Re: Mindreader Mitchell: "Darwin opposed eugenics in general and in principle"	15 Mar 2006 01:15:02 PM

Matt Silberstein wrote:

On 14 Mar 2006 07:57:53 -0800, in alt.atheism , "david ford"
<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> in
<dford3-1142351873.894602.201920@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> wrote:

Mindreader Mitchell Coffey wrote:

On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:35:23 -0000, rich hammett
<bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote:

In talk.origins Mitchell Coffey <mdotcoffeyatstarpowerdotnet@giganews.com> wrote:

If you like I can run by Prof Lipstadt's office next week. I'd
go this week, but we're on spring break at Emory. She'd probably
be happy to know that one of her online stalkers is q non-violent
loon.

David doesn't stalk Lipstadt. He just did one of his creative
re-writes on a passage in a book of hers that I own.

1939 Martha Dodd: Ernst Rohm rumored to be Hitler's better half
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127447560.529159.263760%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Meaning of [DF]"1939"?

I decline to answer.

Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com

I'm mildly
interested in the fact that it doesn't seem to bother him to be caught
lying.

If you do see Dr. Lipstadt I'd be more interested in her take on Mr.
Irving's latest legal troubles.

--
Matt Silberstein

Do something today about the Darfur Genocide

http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org

"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"

About this "Darfur... Genocide," the fittest will probably emerge
alive.
1942 Eichmann: "possible final remnant... is the product of natural
selection," 1942 Heydrich
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1122008128.957294.314360%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1916/ 1922 Nordau; infanticide, slavery, and genocide
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132847220.475151.206790%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Reagan's allegation that there exists
some [Reagan]"natural law," some [Reagan]"higher law of morality."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132849740.419205.114320%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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User: "Matt Silberstein"
Title: Re: Mindreader Mitchell: "Darwin opposed eugenics in general and in principle"	15 Mar 2006 01:34:27 PM

On 15 Mar 2006 11:15:02 -0800, in talk.origins , "david ford"
<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> in
<dford3-1142450102.562187.244750@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:

Matt Silberstein wrote:

On 14 Mar 2006 07:57:53 -0800, in alt.atheism , "david ford"
<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> in
<dford3-1142351873.894602.201920@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> wrote:

Mindreader Mitchell Coffey wrote:

On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:35:23 -0000, rich hammett
<bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote:

In talk.origins Mitchell Coffey <mdotcoffeyatstarpowerdotnet@giganews.com> wrote:

If you like I can run by Prof Lipstadt's office next week. I'd
go this week, but we're on spring break at Emory. She'd probably
be happy to know that one of her online stalkers is q non-violent
loon.

David doesn't stalk Lipstadt. He just did one of his creative
re-writes on a passage in a book of hers that I own.

1939 Martha Dodd: Ernst Rohm rumored to be Hitler's better half
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127447560.529159.263760%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Meaning of [DF]"1939"?

I decline to answer.

Well, we have an solution to the DF problem.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
.

User: "david ford"
Title: Marx re: Lassalle: "Judel Itzig"	15 Mar 2006 01:53:01 PM

Matt Silberstein wrote in 'Re: Mindreader Mitchell: "Darwin opposed
eugenics in general and in principle"':

On 15 Mar 2006 11:15:02 -0800, in talk.origins , "david ford"
<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> in
<dford3-1142450102.562187.244750@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:

Matt Silberstein wrote:

On 14 Mar 2006 07:57:53 -0800, in alt.atheism , "david ford"
<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> in
<dford3-1142351873.894602.201920@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> wrote:

Mindreader Mitchell Coffey wrote:

On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:35:23 -0000, rich hammett
<bubbarichau@warmmail.com> wrote:

In talk.origins Mitchell Coffey <mdotcoffeyatstarpowerdotnet@giganews.com> wrote:

If you like I can run by Prof Lipstadt's office next week. I'd
go this week, but we're on spring break at Emory. She'd probably
be happy to know that one of her online stalkers is q non-violent
loon.

David doesn't stalk Lipstadt. He just did one of his creative
re-writes on a passage in a book of hers that I own.

1939 Martha Dodd: Ernst Rohm rumored to be Hitler's better half
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127447560.529159.263760%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Meaning of [DF]"1939"?

I decline to answer.

Well, we have an solution to the DF problem.

Matt, in your view, was Marx a Jew?
Marx called Ferdinand Lassalle "Judel Itzig-- Jewish *****."
Ref:
_Der Judische Nigger_, MEKOR III, 82, July 30, 1862, cited in:
Marx, Karl. 1959. _A World without Jews_, translated from the
original German, with an introduction and an epilogue by Dagobert D.
Runes, fourth, enlarged edition (New York: Philosophical Library),
83pp., vii.
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Darwin, T.H. Huxley, Haeckel, Trotha, Goebbels, Hitler, Marx, O'Hair
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133186735.613068.108090%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
agree with Hitler about who 'Jews' are?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1136226458.258397.34490%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
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User: "david ford"
Title: solution to Social Security funding problem	16 Mar 2006 08:34:04 AM

Schlossberg, Herbert. 1983. _Idols for Destruction: Christian Faith
and Its Confrontation with American Society_ (USA: Thomas Nelson
Publishers), 344pp. This is a very insightful book, listed on Amazon
at both
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0891077383/qid=1142516842/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-2526657-3692845?
and
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0840752822/sr=8-7/qid=1142516696/ref=sr_1_7/002-2526657-3692845?
There are chapters on idols of history, humanity, mammon, nature,
power, and religion. On 80 in the chapter "Idols of Humanity":
Francis Crick... calls for a new ethical system,
featuring abortion and infanticide, which would
make it mandatory for all persons over eighty years
of age to be put to death.
http://www.shoaheducation.com/pNEW.html
# I. The Elderly
The elderly were often targeted for euthanasia or
extermination not because of bloodlines or defects
but because of their lack of contribution in a
utilitarian philosophy. Jewish elderly were sent often
to Terezin which the Nazis tried to promote as a
'retirement community', but which in fact proved to
be a disguised gateway to Auschwitz. In Hitler's
progressive views of youth and vitality and a new
Germany, the elderly of all racial backgrounds were
denigrated as contributing little to the new Reich.
They were among the first killed when deported to
the killing centers because of their perceived
burden.
The non-existent God of Judaism-- who _didn't_ create humans and
_didn't_ tell humans what's moral and what's immoral-- _doesn't_ have a
say as to what's moral and what's immoral for humans to do.
A society determines what's moral and what's immoral for humans to do.
If a group, if a society, says that an action is moral, then it's
moral.
If a society says that engaging in homosexual activity is moral, then
it's moral.
If a society says that killing all those over age 65 is moral, then
it's moral.
If a society says that killing pre-born human life via abortion is
moral, then it's moral.
If a society says that killing sub-person parasites and the
[Darwin]"imbecile, maimed, and other useless members of society" is
moral, then it's moral.
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Goebbels diary entry for 13 May 1943
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120450591.444214.186670%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
One might well ask why are there any Jews in the world order?
That would be exactly like asking why are there potato bugs?
Nature is dominated by the law of struggle. There will always
be parasites who will spur this struggle on and intensify the
process of selection between the strong and the weak. The
principle of struggle dominates also in human life. One must
merely know the laws of this struggle to be able to face it. ....
In nature life always takes measures against parasites; in the life
of nations that is not always the case. From this fact the Jewish
peril actually stems. There is therefore no other recourse left
for modern nations except to exterminate the Jew....
Kill/ death to [Darwin]"imbecile, maimed, and other useless members of
society"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135791290.639930.285730%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
views of atheism-adherent Singer
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141777876.224926.284110%40j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com
in praise of eugenics and terminating defective human life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1138912784.946032.323570%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1916/ 1922 Nordau; infanticide, slavery, and genocide
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132847220.475151.206790%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Reagan's allegation that there exists
some [Reagan]"natural law," some [Reagan]"higher law of morality."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132849740.419205.114320%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Lifton, Robert Jay. 1986. _The Nazi Doctors: Medical Killing
and the Psychology of Genocide_ (NY: Basic Books, Inc.,
Publishers), 561pp.
Some context:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/lifton/LiftonT270.shtml
On 270:
Inmates suffered from hunger, nonetheless, and
from the constant uncertainty about "What will it
be this time?" For they had absorbed the
Auschwitz principle that _anything is permitted_.
the atheism-adherents Watson and Crick
From
1979 Schaeffer & Koop on the a-moral implications of atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504061225.4c675814%40posting.google.com
In May 1973, James D. Watson, the Nobel Prize
laureate who discovered the double helix of DNA,
granted an interview to _Prism_ magazine, then a
publication of the American Medical Association.
_Time_ later reported the interview to the general
public, quoting Watson as having said,
If a child were not declared alive until three days
after birth, then all parents could be allowed the
choice only a few are given under the present
system. The doctor could allow the child to die
if the parents so choose and save a lot of misery
and suffering. I believe this view is the only
rational, compassionate attitude to have.
In January 1978, Francis Crick, also a Nobel
laureate, was quoted in the _Pacific News Service_
as saying,
. . . no newborn infant should be declared human
until it has passed certain tests regarding its
genetic endowment and that if it fails these tests
it forfeits the right to live.
Edward Simon, probably originally in his Another Side to the Evolution
Problem, Jewish Press, Jan. 7, 1983, 248,
cited in
http://www.thedarwinpapers.com/oldsite/number12/Darwinpapers12HTML.htm#N_1_
I don't claim that Darwin and his theory of evolution
brought on the holocaust; but I cannot deny that the
theory of evolution, and the atheism it engendered, led to
the moral climate that made a holocaust possible....
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Sub-persons/ sub-humans are expendable.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1139372980.005787.15450%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Reality vs. worldview philosophy of materialism/ atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3813ksF5ggkc3U1%40individual.net
On the Origin of Life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-39oh33F63riraU1%40individual.net
.

User: "david ford"
Title: rallying slogan for atheism	05 Apr 2006 10:19:03 AM

Terri Schindler Schiavo's death-by-starvation was not a loss, and
keeping her was no specific gain.
Losing you is not a loss, and keeping you is no specific gain.
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
atheism-adherent Crick suggestion could be solution
to Social Security funding problem
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1142519644.526802.121080%40u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com
Sub-persons/ sub-humans are expendable.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1139372980.005787.15450%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
eugenics in atheocratic North Korea
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143149976.129405.152870%40i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1979 Schaeffer & Koop
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504061225.4c675814%40posting.google.com
Terri Schindler Schiavo
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115741978.820440.50060%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
not-PVS
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115683914.394927.244340%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1868 Haeckel, 2003 Dawkins, 1997 George Williams, 1995 Dennett:
Darwinist atheists/ materialists downgrading the value of human life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-399aluF5uql89U1%40individual.net
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Reality vs. worldview philosophy of materialism/ atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3813ksF5ggkc3U1%40individual.net
On the Origin of Life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-39oh33F63riraU1%40individual.net
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User: "kathryn"
Title: Re: rallying slogan for atheism	05 Apr 2006 12:01:29 PM

"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:dford3-1144250342.999150.199940@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

Terri Schindler Schiavo's death-by-starvation was not a loss, and
keeping her was no specific gain.

Losing you is not a loss, and keeping you is no specific gain.

Apart from the national insurance and tax I pay while doing a job I'm
specifically trained for?
.

User: "Les Hellawell"
Title: Re: rallying slogan for atheism	05 Apr 2006 12:56:44 PM

On 5 Apr 2006 08:19:03 -0700, "david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:

Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com

Here is a example of Hitler's 'atheism' and social Darwinistic vision:
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of
the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am
fighting for the work of the Lord."
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
.

User: "Christopher A. Lee"
Title: Re: rallying slogan for atheism	05 Apr 2006 01:10:32 PM

On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:56:44 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:

On 5 Apr 2006 08:19:03 -0700, "david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:

Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com

Here is a example of Hitler's 'atheism' and social Darwinistic vision:

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of
the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am
fighting for the work of the Lord."
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

You'll never get them to understand this. In their simplistic minds
people who do evil can't be Christians, know they're evil and lie
about it to do what they know is an evil agenda.
Nobody sees themselves as evil except those protestants who imagine
everybody is born evil.
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: rallying slogan for atheism	05 Apr 2006 02:04:37 PM

Previously, on alt.atheism, david ford in episode
<dford3-1144250342.999150.199940@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...

Terri Schindler Schiavo's death-by-starvation was not a loss, and keeping
her was no specific gain.

Terri Schiavo died some fifteen years ago.
Hey, I notice you're openly posting in white supremacy ngs now. Coming out
of the closet are you?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
I just love this one...
"For those of us who grew up in Louisiana,
'The Wizard of Oz' was like a documentary.
Dorothy left Kansas and simply went to Mardi Gras."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W2EA439BC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.

User: "Stile4aly"
Title: Re: rallying slogan for atheism	05 Apr 2006 10:32:40 AM

david ford wrote:

Terri Schindler Schiavo's death-by-starvation was not a loss, and
keeping her was no specific gain.

Losing you is not a loss, and keeping you is no specific gain.

<snip self-referential flotsam>
What does atheism have to do with Terri Schiavo? Plenty of theists
were against the unconstitutional intervention of the FL legislature
and her parents pandering to the media in an attempt to contravene her
wishes and usurp the authority of her husband.
.

User: "Prunefinger"
Title: Re: rallying slogan for atheism	05 Apr 2006 11:06:57 AM

"Stile4aly" <stile4aly@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1144251160.197208.95250@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
:
: david ford wrote:
: > Terri Schindler Schiavo's death-by-starvation was not a loss, and
: > keeping her was no specific gain.
: >
: > Losing you is not a loss, and keeping you is no specific gain.
: >
: <snip self-referential flotsam>
:
: What does atheism have to do with Terri Schiavo? Plenty of theists
: were against the unconstitutional intervention of the FL legislature
: and her parents pandering to the media in an attempt to contravene
her
: wishes and usurp the authority of her husband.
What does Davie have to do with reality? He's just a hateful little
xian bigot. Clearly, he recognizes the superiority of our position,
but doesn't have the sense to accept it.
Come on Davie, join us on the bright side!! Leave the dark behind
(I'm not talking about that hooker's *****, you're busy pumping,
either), become a full human being, won't you?
.

User: "AC"
Title: Re: rallying slogan for atheism	05 Apr 2006 12:30:19 PM

On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:06:57 GMT,
Prunefinger <misleart@ameritech.net> wrote:

"Stile4aly" <stile4aly@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1144251160.197208.95250@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
:
: david ford wrote:
: > Terri Schindler Schiavo's death-by-starvation was not a loss, and
: > keeping her was no specific gain.
: >
: > Losing you is not a loss, and keeping you is no specific gain.
: >
: <snip self-referential flotsam>
:
: What does atheism have to do with Terri Schiavo? Plenty of theists
: were against the unconstitutional intervention of the FL legislature
: and her parents pandering to the media in an attempt to contravene
her
: wishes and usurp the authority of her husband.

What does Davie have to do with reality? He's just a hateful little
xian bigot. Clearly, he recognizes the superiority of our position,
but doesn't have the sense to accept it.

Come on Davie, join us on the bright side!! Leave the dark behind
(I'm not talking about that hooker's *****, you're busy pumping,
either), become a full human being, won't you?

I'm not even sure he is a Christian.
--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
.

User: "Brian Westley"
Title: Re: rallying slogan for atheism	06 Apr 2006 02:18:55 PM

AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> writes:

On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:06:57 GMT,
Prunefinger <misleart@ameritech.net> wrote:

"Stile4aly" <stile4aly@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1144251160.197208.95250@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
:
: david ford wrote:
: > Terri Schindler Schiavo's death-by-starvation was not a loss, and
: > keeping her was no specific gain.
: >
: > Losing you is not a loss, and keeping you is no specific gain.
: >
: <snip self-referential flotsam>
:
: What does atheism have to do with Terri Schiavo? Plenty of theists
: were against the unconstitutional intervention of the FL legislature
: and her parents pandering to the media in an attempt to contravene
her
: wishes and usurp the authority of her husband.

What does Davie have to do with reality? He's just a hateful little
xian bigot. Clearly, he recognizes the superiority of our position,
but doesn't have the sense to accept it.

Come on Davie, join us on the bright side!! Leave the dark behind
(I'm not talking about that hooker's *****, you're busy pumping,
either), become a full human being, won't you?

I'm not even sure he is a Christian.

Even money on the "human being" part.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
.

User: "david ford"
Title: Re: rallying slogan for atheism	07 Apr 2006 12:37:39 PM

Brian Westley wrote:

AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> writes:

On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:06:57 GMT,
Prunefinger <misleart@ameritech.net> wrote:

"Stile4aly" <stile4aly@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1144251160.197208.95250@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...

: david ford wrote:
: > Terri Schindler Schiavo's death-by-starvation was not a loss, and
: > keeping her was no specific gain.
: >
: > Losing you is not a loss, and keeping you is no specific gain.
:
: <snip self-referential flotsam>
:
: What does atheism have to do with Terri Schiavo? Plenty of theists
: were against the unconstitutional intervention of the FL legislature
: and her parents pandering to the media in an attempt to contravene her
: wishes and usurp the authority of her husband.

What does Davie have to do with reality? He's just a hateful little
xian bigot. Clearly, he recognizes the superiority of our position,
but doesn't have the sense to accept it.

Come on Davie, join us on the bright side!! Leave the dark behind
(I'm not talking about that hooker's *****, you're busy pumping,
either), become a full human being, won't you?

I'm not even sure he is a Christian.

Even money on the "human being" part.

Do you consider Ford a sub-human/ sub-person?
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Sub-persons/ sub-humans are expendable.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1139372980.005787.15450%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
cash for sub-persons' organs
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143252326.064753.206420%40i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20060323-114842-5680r.htm
Put to use killed sub-persons' brains before their cremation.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143212186.992727.233750%40z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
atheism-adherent Crick suggestion could be solution to Social Security
funding problem
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1142519644.526802.121080%40u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
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User: "AC"
Title: Re: rallying slogan for atheism	11 Apr 2006 11:57:29 AM

On 7 Apr 2006 10:37:39 -0700,
david ford <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:

Brian Westley wrote:

AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> writes:

On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:06:57 GMT,
Prunefinger <misleart@ameritech.net> wrote:

"Stile4aly" <stile4aly@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1144251160.197208.95250@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...

I'm not even sure he is a Christian.

Even money on the "human being" part.

Do you consider Ford a sub-human/ sub-person?

I consider Ford immoral. I consider him a propagandist. I consider him to
be of low character and very likely out of his mind. I consider him to be a
perfect demonstration that belief in God cannot guarantee morality, and each
post he makes confirms that his underlying claim is false.
<snip Ford's self-referential crap>
--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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User: "david ford"
Title: Re: rallying slogan for atheism	11 Apr 2006 08:19:42 PM

AC wrote:

On 7 Apr 2006 10:37:39 -0700,
david ford <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:

Brian Westley wrote:

AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> writes:

On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:06:57 GMT,
Prunefinger <misleart@ameritech.net> wrote:

"Stile4aly" <stile4aly@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1144251160.197208.95250@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...

I'm not even sure he is a Christian.

Even money on the "human being" part.

Do you consider Ford a sub-human/ sub-person?

"his [Ford's] underlying claim is false"
What is that "underlying claim"?
"I [AC] consider Ford immoral."
Do you consider "immoral" what Herek was convicted in 1998 of doing?
http://www.wowt.com/news/headlines/2493146.html
Former priest Daniel Herek was found guilty
Monday of misdemeanor lewd conduct and indecent
exposure charges.
==
In 1998 Herek was convicted of molesting a 14-
year-old alter boy and videotaping the abuse.
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"belief in God"
Hitler and an Ethical Culture person on 'God'
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1136317045.783426.125490%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
_Goodbye, Good Men: How Liberals Brought Corruption Into the Catholic
Church_
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0895261448/ref=sr_11_1/002-1321204-3712802?
1933 Hitler: "they ['liberal priests'] have made Haeckel and Darwin,
Goethe and Stefan George the prophets of their Christianity"
Cited in
Rauschning, Hermann. 1940, 2003. _The Voice of Destruction_
(Gretna: Pelican Publishing Company), 295pp., 50.
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