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User: "Tropical Tim"
Date: 01 Apr 2004 10:34:11 AM
Object: Re: Homophobia is a good thing
(Brent Norman) wrote in message news:<a7ad4b4f.0403181946.b1fc50@posting.google.com>...

Planet of the Normals <POTN> wrote in message news:<d1586d945b9fd0ea02981dadd00f9a9d@news.teranews.com>...

Yes, the majority of the world's population has a fear of those
people who practice Homosexuality. Rightly so.


People don't "practice" homosexuality. It's not a hobby, sport or
similar pastime... That is to say, it is not definied by one specific
set of actions or tasks. It simply implies the person with whom one
becomes romantically involved with.

Sexualy involved with. I'm not a expert with semantics. You must know
what I mean by Practicing.



Homosexuals are a very real danger to the human species. After more
than 50 years of personal research via interviews with practicing
Homosexuals,


I am curious about a few things you mentioned:

I'll answer briefly to each.


1) How did you arrive at the opportunity to interview "practicing"
homosexuals?

Most Homosexuals are easy to spot. Speach patterns, bearing, as well
as many other factors can be indicators. Notice I said *can*. Asking
or observing until confirmation has happened is a sure way.


2) Where did you find them?

Too many instances to answer. They are intermixed with everyone else.


3) What questions did you ask them, and did you ask them all the same
questions?

Over the years, I've asked thousands of questions. I asked the same
questions until I was convinced that the answer was a standard I could
trust.


4) Were they open-ended or closed questions?

Explain further please.


I have not found a single case that was not caused by a
negative influence in the pre-choice life of any homosexual. These
influences have sometimes been discovered through interviews with
older persons who interacted with the individual who chose to continue
their life as a Homosexual.


I'd be interested to know more about your research.

Then email me. I'll answer as time permits.
Reference this posting so I'll know it's not spam.



Sexual abuse is by far the most prominent of the causes of Individual
Choice of Homosexuality, (ICH), second to juvenile experimentation.


Sexual abuse by a person of the same sex or opposite sex?

Mostly by same sex, but many instances of either or both.



An almost unlimited list of causes can be attributed to ICH, none of
which include a predetermined physical disposition.



All homosexuals and heterosexuals I have ever known, knew from at
least adolescence that they were attracted to the same/opposite sex,
and this was confirmed by physical reactions, if you know what I
mean!!!

If you mean the stimulation of sexual feelings, than of course this
happens to everyone. I've never said different. However, to actively
participate in homosexual activity is not the same thing.



In each case of ICH, a method of therapy should be discovered that
would allow the person to return to a sexual orientation that is that
of the evolved Heterosexual.


It is presumptuous to say such a thing.. "the evolved heterosexual" ..
I don't think heterosexuals ever evolved, they always were, just like
homosexuals.

I disaggree totaly. Just one example. When the fluids in a womens
vagina are excreted during sexual excitation, it is an evolved
reaction that enables the best chance for sucessful procreation. The
need for KY jelly to lubricate the anal canal is obviously not
evolved.



The likelihood of this happening within the next decade or two is
slim. Much like the Roman Empire, today's societies are within a
trial period of allowance of ICH, and as it did in Roman times, ICH
will eventually cause the decay of successful interaction between the
sexes and cause a undesirable trend towards a non-reproductive
society.


The Roman empire most likely did not have many exclusive homosexuals.

You need to read more Roman history then.


Successful interation between the sexes? An interesting phrase...

I try my best.



Combined with the increased possibility of disease that is inherent
with ICH, a very real danger to the evolvement and continuance of the
human species exists.



Since homosexuals are a minority of any population, and heterosexuals
cannot :choose: to become homosexual, there is no risk to species
continuation.

Ebola is a minority of viruses. That doesn't decrease the possibility
that Ebola could cause a global problem.
I belive that hetarosexuals are a result of evolution and Homosexuals
are not. I also believe that homosexual sex acts increase the
possibility of alterations of STD's that could at worst, risk species
elimination.
.

User: "Rob Mitchell"

Title: Re: Homophobia is a good thing 15 Apr 2004 02:28:30 AM
(Tropical Tim) wrote in message news:<5d054692.0404010834.6dc7175e@posting.google.com>...

nelliganemile@hotmail.com (Brent Norman) wrote in message news:<a7ad4b4f.0403181946.b1fc50@posting.google.com>...

Planet of the Normals <POTN> wrote in message news:<d1586d945b9fd0ea02981dadd00f9a9d@news.teranews.com>...



Combined with the increased possibility of disease that is inherent
with ICH, a very real danger to the evolvement and continuance of the
human species exists.



Since homosexuals are a minority of any population, and heterosexuals
cannot :choose: to become homosexual, there is no risk to species
continuation.


Ebola is a minority of viruses. That doesn't decrease the possibility
that Ebola could cause a global problem.

I belive that hetarosexuals are a result of evolution and Homosexuals
are not. I also believe that homosexual sex acts increase the
possibility of alterations of STD's that could at worst, risk species
elimination.

Would that not be equally true of promiscuous heterosexual behavior?
You're rather obviously confusing promiscuity with homosexuality.
They are entirely separate issues.
.

User: "Brent Norman"

Title: Re: Homophobia is a good thing 02 Apr 2004 09:12:48 PM
(Tropical Tim) wrote in message news:<5d054692.0404010834.6dc7175e@posting.google.com>...

nelliganemile@hotmail.com (Brent Norman) wrote in message news:<a7ad4b4f.0403181946.b1fc50@posting.google.com>...

Planet of the Normals <POTN> wrote in message news:<d1586d945b9fd0ea02981dadd00f9a9d@news.teranews.com>...

Yes, the majority of the world's population has a fear of those
people who practice Homosexuality. Rightly so.


People don't "practice" homosexuality. It's not a hobby, sport or
similar pastime... That is to say, it is not definied by one specific
set of actions or tasks. It simply implies the person with whom one
becomes romantically involved with.


Sexualy involved with. I'm not a expert with semantics. You must know
what I mean by Practicing.

If I was a single homosexual that is only into dating, but no sex
(perhaps waiting for the right person to come along), that would not
count as a practicing homosexual, correct?



Homosexuals are a very real danger to the human species. After more
than 50 years of personal research via interviews with practicing
Homosexuals,


I am curious about a few things you mentioned:


I'll answer briefly to each.


1) How did you arrive at the opportunity to interview "practicing"
homosexuals?


Most Homosexuals are easy to spot. Speach patterns, bearing, as well
as many other factors can be indicators. Notice I said *can*. Asking
or observing until confirmation has happened is a sure way.

For sure. Back in high school, my friends had no idea about me, but
over enough time they started to wonder, seeing as I wasn't regularly
dating like the rest of my friends, and I was very private about my
romantic feelings/crushes, etc. I eventually did "come out" to them
if it came up in discussion.


2) Where did you find them?


Too many instances to answer. They are intermixed with everyone else.


3) What questions did you ask them, and did you ask them all the same
questions?


Over the years, I've asked thousands of questions. I asked the same
questions until I was convinced that the answer was a standard I could
trust.


4) Were they open-ended or closed questions?


Explain further please.

Open ended questions demand "essay answers". They require thought and
yield much information.
Closed questions have short answers, usually "yes" or "no" and do not
yield as much information.

I have not found a single case that was not caused by a
negative influence in the pre-choice life of any homosexual. These
influences have sometimes been discovered through interviews with
older persons who interacted with the individual who chose to continue
their life as a Homosexual.


I'd be interested to know more about your research.


Then email me. I'll answer as time permits.
Reference this posting so I'll know it's not spam.



Sexual abuse is by far the most prominent of the causes of Individual
Choice of Homosexuality, (ICH), second to juvenile experimentation.


Sexual abuse by a person of the same sex or opposite sex?


Mostly by same sex, but many instances of either or both.

Granted I haven't had 50 years of experience (I'm 26), but I find it
amazing that I have not encountered any homosexuals that I know
personally that have reported sexual abuse as a child/youth.



An almost unlimited list of causes can be attributed to ICH, none of
which include a predetermined physical disposition.



All homosexuals and heterosexuals I have ever known, knew from at
least adolescence that they were attracted to the same/opposite sex,
and this was confirmed by physical reactions, if you know what I
mean!!!


If you mean the stimulation of sexual feelings, than of course this
happens to everyone. I've never said different. However, to actively
participate in homosexual activity is not the same thing.

Having sexual feelings for the opposite sex versus actively
participating in sexual activity with the opposite sex=Having sexual
feelings for the same sex versus participating in sexual activity with
the same sex, n'est-ce pas?


In each case of ICH, a method of therapy should be discovered that
would allow the person to return to a sexual orientation that is that
of the evolved Heterosexual.


It is presumptuous to say such a thing.. "the evolved heterosexual" ..
I don't think heterosexuals ever evolved, they always were, just like
homosexuals.


I disaggree totaly. Just one example. When the fluids in a womens
vagina are excreted during sexual excitation, it is an evolved
reaction that enables the best chance for sucessful procreation.

True, but the percentage of times a woman's vagina is used for
successful procreation versus recreation makes that assumption seem a
little overkill. Sure it has procreative abilities, but that is not
its sole purpose, based on its use.
There could be an evolutionary advantage to having a certain
percentage of a population that will not procreate.

The
need for KY jelly to lubricate the anal canal is obviously not
evolved.

Yet the lubricants are used for heterosexual contact in far greater
quantities than homosexual, as many women have problems with "natural"
lubrication, not to mention that homosexuality is not defined by any
specific sexual act.



The likelihood of this happening within the next decade or two is
slim. Much like the Roman Empire, today's societies are within a
trial period of allowance of ICH, and as it did in Roman times, ICH
will eventually cause the decay of successful interaction between the
sexes and cause a undesirable trend towards a non-reproductive
society.


The Roman empire most likely did not have many exclusive homosexuals.


You need to read more Roman history then.

Well it certainly wasn't the cause of its downfall, if that is your
implication.


Successful interation between the sexes? An interesting phrase...


The trend of low reproduction is noted in most "evolved" societies.
In my parents' generation, it was not unusual to have 7 or more
siblings. Nowadays, most couples stop at 2 kids, sometimes 3. This
is due to many factors. The rising cost of living; women are no
longer seen as chattels; access to birth control allows family
planning; couples putting off having children until their economic
futures are more securely known. Homosexuality has nothing to do with
any of that decline in birth rate. In third world countries, the
birth rate is markedly higher, for a variety of reasons, yet
homosexuality continues to exist in all of these places.

I try my best.



Combined with the increased possibility of disease that is inherent
with ICH, a very real danger to the evolvement and continuance of the
human species exists.

The fact that someone is homosexual doesn't mean they have an
increased possibility of disease. Heterosexuals and homosexuals alike
are struck with diseases all the time that have nothing to do with
their sexual orientation.
So-called ICH has practically zero possiblity of(sexually transmitted)
diseases if it is within a committed exclusive relationship, just like
heterosexuals have in a commited exclusive relationship.
You could say there is an increased possibility of disease in the
single-heterosexual as well, just like single homosexuals. Then
there's the lesbians, which are less vulnerable than heterosexual
females to STD threats.



Since homosexuals are a minority of any population, and heterosexuals
cannot :choose: to become homosexual, there is no risk to species
continuation.


Ebola is a minority of viruses. That doesn't decrease the possibility
that Ebola could cause a global problem.

I belive that hetarosexuals are a result of evolution and Homosexuals
are not. I also believe that homosexual sex acts increase the
possibility of alterations of STD's that could at worst, risk species
elimination.

I disagree with that hypothesis. I believe that both heterosexuals
and homosexuals are a result of evolution. Mutations of STDs could
occur in both homosexual and heterosexual populations, all they need
is promiscuity and carriers. But, put both camps into exclusive
relationships, and the problem is eliminated whole.
In fact, most of the strains (4/5) of HIV are actually geared towards
heterosexual transmission; that is to say, they acclimate themselves
into the vagina and/or foreskin to facilitate easier vaginal
transmission.
A much bigger threat to humanity is the misuse of antibiotics and
household anti-bacterial cleansers, which has allowed many
infections/infestations to *bounce* back stronger than before,
requiring the use of stronger and stronger drugs. This problem could
wipe out the species much faster than the miniscule population of
homosexuals in existence.
.
User: "Clay Colwell"

Title: Re: Homophobia is a good thing 03 Apr 2004 01:56:54 PM
(Brent Norman) wrote in message news:<a7ad4b4f.0404021912.7402395e@posting.google.com>...

bankerdt@bellsouth.net (Tropical Tim) wrote in message news:<5d054692.0404010834.6dc7175e@posting.google.com>...

(Brent Norman) wrote in message news:<a7ad4b4f.0403181946.b1fc50@posting.google.com>...

Planet of the Normals <POTN> wrote in message news:<d1586d945b9fd0ea02981dadd00f9a9d@news.teranews.com>...

Sexual abuse is by far the most prominent of the causes of Individual
Choice of Homosexuality, (ICH), second to juvenile experimentation.


Sexual abuse by a person of the same sex or opposite sex?


Mostly by same sex, but many instances of either or both.


Granted I haven't had 50 years of experience (I'm 26), but I find it
amazing that I have not encountered any homosexuals that I know
personally that have reported sexual abuse as a child/youth.

Here's a hint: "Tropical Tim" doesn't have 50 years of experience, either,
having posted last year that he was 50 years old.
He's just plain lying to you. What's better: he knows it, and knows we
know it, but he doesn't care and maintains the same lie.
.
User: "Tropical Tim"

Title: Re: Homophobia is a good thing 06 Apr 2004 05:55:43 PM
(Clay Colwell) wrote in message news:<f415da82.0404031156.7f8cdd34@posting.google.com>...
(snip)


Here's a hint: "Tropical Tim" doesn't have 50 years of experience, either,
having posted last year that he was 50 years old.

He's just plain lying to you. What's better: he knows it, and knows we
know it, but he doesn't care and maintains the same lie.

Well Clay,
Here's your hint. You're wrong. I'm just plain telling the truth. I
was 9 when first approached by a man wanting me to engage in oral sex
with him. He was a homosexual who like young men like most Pedofiles
who prefer boys. So, as I said in my follow up post, I was 14% over. I
only have 42 years of experience talking to these misdirected people.
So, everything you have said above is just *****.
Now, I'll go and answer this young mans questions.
.
User: "Clay Colwell"

Title: Re: Homophobia is a good thing 07 Apr 2004 10:09:10 AM
(Tropical Tim) wrote in message news:<5d054692.0404061455.61f4c57a@posting.google.com>...

eris@io.com (Clay Colwell) wrote in message news:<f415da82.0404031156.7f8cdd34@posting.google.com>...
(snip)


Here's a hint: "Tropical Tim" doesn't have 50 years of experience, either,
having posted last year that he was 50 years old.

He's just plain lying to you. What's better: he knows it, and knows we
know it, but he doesn't care and maintains the same lie.


Well Clay,
Here's your hint. You're wrong. I'm just plain telling the truth. I
was 9 when first approached by a man wanting me to engage in oral sex
with him.

This alleged incident does not equate with a scientific interview.
You know this. I know this. Everyone else here knows this. You're
choosing to play the fool, which might be entertaining for you, but
just has me wondering why you repeatedly choose to destroy your own
credibility.

He was a homosexual who like young men like most Pedofiles
who prefer boys. So, as I said in my follow up post, I was 14% over. I
only have 42 years of experience talking to these misdirected people.
So, everything you have said above is just *****.

You just *confirmed* the truth of my statement!
I'm curious as to the full extent of your deliberate stupidity.
How many years have you chosen to engage in the Big Lie logical
fallacy?
.
User: "Tropical Tim"

Title: Re: Homophobia is a good thing 08 Apr 2004 05:21:44 AM
(Clay Colwell) wrote in message news:<f415da82.0404070709.39157ce6@posting.google.com>...

Well Clay,
Here's your hint. You're wrong. I'm just plain telling the truth. I
was 9 when first approached by a man wanting me to engage in oral sex
with him.


This alleged incident does not equate with a scientific interview.
You know this. I know this. Everyone else here knows this. You're
choosing to play the fool, which might be entertaining for you, but
just has me wondering why you repeatedly choose to destroy your own
credibility.

I never said I interviewed the sick fucker in this incident. You
pulled that out of thin air. That has me wondering if anyone should
listen to anything you say. You make your own story fit any way you
can. You are a fool if you think this group doesn't see that.



He was a homosexual who like young men like most Pedofiles
who prefer boys. So, as I said in my follow up post, I was 14% over. I
only have 42 years of experience talking to these misdirected people.
So, everything you have said above is just *****.


You just *confirmed* the truth of my statement!

Only in your own mind.


I'm curious as to the full extent of your deliberate stupidity.
How many years have you chosen to engage in the Big Lie logical
fallacy?

I'm curious as to the full extent of your ignorance and stupidity. Are
you like AC? Do you think any minority that wants thier beliefs
legalized should be condoned? Maybe you and he should get together and
talk to his kids about how it's ok if a man has to clean feces from
his penis because he pushed it into the anal canal of another man, (or
women). You fucking liberals are weak, pathetic, spineless wimps. The
big lie is what you are pitching and you are doing it from a losing
position.
.
User: "Clay Colwell"

Title: Re: Homophobia is a good thing 08 Apr 2004 12:46:39 PM
(Tropical Tim) wrote in message news:<5d054692.0404080221.3a0e2dd2@posting.google.com>...

eris@io.com (Clay Colwell) wrote in message news:<f415da82.0404070709.39157ce6@posting.google.com>...

Well Clay,
Here's your hint. You're wrong. I'm just plain telling the truth. I
was 9 when first approached by a man wanting me to engage in oral sex
with him.


This alleged incident does not equate with a scientific interview.
You know this. I know this. Everyone else here knows this. You're
choosing to play the fool, which might be entertaining for you, but
just has me wondering why you repeatedly choose to destroy your own
credibility.


I never said I interviewed the sick fucker in this incident.

"After more than 50 years of personal research via interviews with
practicing Homosexuals,"
Those are *your* words, not mine. Own them. Own the lie they represent.

You
pulled that out of thin air. That has me wondering if anyone should
listen to anything you say. You make your own story fit any way you
can. You are a fool if you think this group doesn't see that.

Your projection -- priceless.

He was a homosexual who like young men like most Pedofiles
who prefer boys. So, as I said in my follow up post, I was 14% over. I
only have 42 years of experience talking to these misdirected people.
So, everything you have said above is just *****.


You just *confirmed* the truth of my statement!


Only in your own mind.

The alleged "42 years" does not equate with the alleged "over 50 years".
I noted this, and you called it "*****".
There's a word for people who look at a verified, incontrovertible
rebuttal and call it "*****": LIAR.
You're a LIAR, "Tropical Tim". Own up to it.

I'm curious as to the full extent of your deliberate stupidity.
How many years have you chosen to engage in the Big Lie logical
fallacy?


I'm curious as to the full extent of your ignorance and stupidity.

The old "IKYABWAI" (f)lame. You lose yet another round.

Are you like AC?

Who?

Do you think any minority that wants thier beliefs
legalized should be condoned?

No. What on earth made you think such a stupid thing? Or is it simply
yet another strawman you're choosing to erect to distract from the base-
lessness of your position?

Maybe you and he should get together and
talk to his kids about how it's ok if a man has to clean feces from
his penis because he pushed it into the anal canal of another man, (or
women).

You mean you don't *wash*? Do you not have issues with ***** juice
and other secretions from the vagina? Do you just let them crust
on your ***** after sex? And what about blowjobs? And what about your
obsession with sexual acts, especially since you purport to dislike
them? When I see a mixed-sex couple, I can guarantee that the first
thing that comes to my mind is *not* them fucking. What makes you
so dysfunctional?

You fucking liberals are weak, pathetic, spineless wimps. The
big lie is what you are pitching and you are doing it from a losing
position.

Nice way to end your baseless diatribe -- with more baseless bald
assertions. Your debate coach would be so embarrassed for you.
.



User: "Fritz"

Title: Re: Homophobia is a good thing 07 Apr 2004 03:18:09 AM
Tropical Tim wrote:

eris@io.com (Clay Colwell) wrote in message news:<f415da82.0404031156.7f8cdd34@posting.google.com>...
(snip)


Here's a hint: "Tropical Tim" doesn't have 50 years of experience, either,
having posted last year that he was 50 years old.

He's just plain lying to you. What's better: he knows it, and knows we
know it, but he doesn't care and maintains the same lie.


Well Clay,
Here's your hint. You're wrong. I'm just plain telling the truth. I
was 9 when first approached by a man wanting me to engage in oral sex
with him. He was a homosexual who like young men like most Pedofiles
who prefer boys.

This isn't true, most pedophiles like little girls.
--
Fritz
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Religion = tyranny.
.
User: "Tropical Tim"

Title: Re: Homophobia is a good thing 07 Apr 2004 08:27:25 AM
Fritz <fsmith@1sib2dw81ncnytpl.net> wrote in message news:<4073B940.DC7F80CD@1sib2dw81ncnytpl.net>...

Well Clay,
Here's your hint. You're wrong. I'm just plain telling the truth. I
was 9 when first approached by a man wanting me to engage in oral sex
with him. He was a homosexual who like young men like most Pedofiles
who prefer boys.


This isn't true, most pedophiles like little girls.

I didn't make myself clear enough. I'll rephrase.
Like most Pedofiles who prefer male children, the one who approached
me prefered the fact that I was not a possible threat to him. Most
Pedofiles choose victims that are not able to beat them up.
.




User: "Tropical Tim"

Title: Re: Homophobia is a good thing 06 Apr 2004 07:14:24 PM
(Brent Norman) wrote in message news:<a7ad4b4f.0404021912.7402395e@posting.google.com>...

bankerdt@bellsouth.net (Tropical Tim) wrote in message news:<5d054692.0404010834.6dc7175e@posting.google.com>...

(Brent Norman) wrote in message news:<a7ad4b4f.0403181946.b1fc50@posting.google.com>...

Planet of the Normals <POTN> wrote in message news:<d1586d945b9fd0ea02981dadd00f9a9d@news.teranews.com>...

Yes, the majority of the world's population has a fear of those
people who practice Homosexuality. Rightly so.


People don't "practice" homosexuality. It's not a hobby, sport or
similar pastime... That is to say, it is not definied by one specific
set of actions or tasks. It simply implies the person with whom one
becomes romantically involved with.


Sexualy involved with. I'm not a expert with semantics. You must know
what I mean by Practicing.


If I was a single homosexual that is only into dating, but no sex
(perhaps waiting for the right person to come along), that would not
count as a practicing homosexual, correct?

Correct. I just spent the evening with another man. He came over to my
house to watch a TV show with me. I was entertaining another man. We
enjoyed each others company and had a great time. He is the best
friend I have at this time of my life.
Neither he nor I are practicing homosexuals. If you have sexual
desires for another man, then I would say you are looking for the
right man to be a practicing homosexual with.





Homosexuals are a very real danger to the human species. After more
than 50 years of personal research via interviews with practicing
Homosexuals,


I am curious about a few things you mentioned:


I'll answer briefly to each.


1) How did you arrive at the opportunity to interview "practicing"
homosexuals?


Most Homosexuals are easy to spot. Speach patterns, bearing, as well
as many other factors can be indicators. Notice I said *can*. Asking
or observing until confirmation has happened is a sure way.


For sure. Back in high school, my friends had no idea about me, but
over enough time they started to wonder, seeing as I wasn't regularly
dating like the rest of my friends, and I was very private about my
romantic feelings/crushes, etc. I eventually did "come out" to them
if it came up in discussion.

You obviously have no idea how easy it is to recognize a homosexual in
todays society. Most of your friends probably considered the idea that
you were homosexual, they just didn't tell you. I don't walk up to
each person that I think is a homosexual and say *Hey, aren't you a
homosexual?*
If a person is looking for homosexual behavior, then it increases the
odds that a homosexual will be recognized. I don't say this in a
negitive way. Here is one example. Many homosexual men are much more
likly to show what the rednecks call *womenly type behavior*. Like
touching an infant and caressing it's face while cooing to the child.
I do that with my grandchildren and have seen many heterosexual men do
this, but I've seen many more homosexual men do this. You guys are
more inclined to drop the macho bearing. I've gotten very good at
spotting homosexuals. This allowed me to get to know and interview
many more than would happen by chance.



2) Where did you find them?


Too many instances to answer. They are intermixed with everyone else.


3) What questions did you ask them, and did you ask them all the same
questions?


Over the years, I've asked thousands of questions. I asked the same
questions until I was convinced that the answer was a standard I could
trust.


4) Were they open-ended or closed questions?


Explain further please.


Open ended questions demand "essay answers". They require thought and
yield much information.

Closed questions have short answers, usually "yes" or "no" and do not
yield as much information.

That's what I thought he meant, but now I will answer it as if that is
what he meant.
A very small percentile of the questions I've asked were *closed*
questions. Most people do not express thier most private thoughts to
someone easily. Sometimes, the necessary trust took quite some time to
develop.



I have not found a single case that was not caused by a
negative influence in the pre-choice life of any homosexual. These
influences have sometimes been discovered through interviews with
older persons who interacted with the individual who chose to continue
their life as a Homosexual.


I'd be interested to know more about your research.


Then email me. I'll answer as time permits.
Reference this posting so I'll know it's not spam.



Sexual abuse is by far the most prominent of the causes of Individual
Choice of Homosexuality, (ICH), second to juvenile experimentation.


Sexual abuse by a person of the same sex or opposite sex?


Mostly by same sex, but many instances of either or both.


Granted I haven't had 50 years of experience (I'm 26), but I find it
amazing that I have not encountered any homosexuals that I know
personally that have reported sexual abuse as a child/youth.

Perhaps you've never had another man trust you enough to tell you.
Having lived with homosexuals for quite a while gave me the chances to
develop trust among them that was far beyond the norm. Hell, we had
parties of 50+ where I was the only person not homosexual. I found
those moments kind of humorous in an odd way.




An almost unlimited list of causes can be attributed to ICH, none of
which include a predetermined physical disposition.



All homosexuals and heterosexuals I have ever known, knew from at
least adolescence that they were attracted to the same/opposite sex,
and this was confirmed by physical reactions, if you know what I
mean!!!


If you mean the stimulation of sexual feelings, than of course this
happens to everyone. I've never said different. However, to actively
participate in homosexual activity is not the same thing.



Having sexual feelings for the opposite sex versus actively
participating in sexual activity with the opposite sex=Having sexual
feelings for the same sex versus participating in sexual activity with
the same sex, n'est-ce pas?

Yes, I understand what you mean, but what does that have to do with
what I said?



In each case of ICH, a method of therapy should be discovered that
would allow the person to return to a sexual orientation that is that
of the evolved Heterosexual.


It is presumptuous to say such a thing.. "the evolved heterosexual" ..
I don't think heterosexuals ever evolved, they always were, just like
homosexuals.


I disaggree totaly. Just one example. When the fluids in a womens
vagina are excreted during sexual excitation, it is an evolved
reaction that enables the best chance for sucessful procreation.


True, but the percentage of times a woman's vagina is used for
successful procreation versus recreation makes that assumption seem a
little overkill. Sure it has procreative abilities, but that is not
its sole purpose, based on its use.

I imagine that male-female intercourse has always been more
entertainment than procreative. The evolution of the reproductive
system of the human does include feeling good as a cause to mate.
Nature sure wouldn't make a vagina feel like sandpaper. It would
really hinder procreation by making it less than enjoyable.


There could be an evolutionary advantage to having a certain
percentage of a population that will not procreate.

Because of medical intervention, overpopulation is most certinly a
problem. Choosing to not procreate is an intelligent thing to do for
now.


The
need for KY jelly to lubricate the anal canal is obviously not
evolved.


Yet the lubricants are used for heterosexual contact in far greater
quantities than homosexual, as many women have problems with "natural"
lubrication, not to mention that homosexuality is not defined by any
specific sexual act.

Ok. You go and ask anyone you like:
What do lesbians do sexualy and what do men who are homosexual do
sexualy.
Most popular answers:
1. Women like to have oral sex with each other.
2. Men like to have anal sex with each other.
Now, I'm not saying that this is a fair statement, but it is true. Try
10 people of mixed gender and sexual preference. You'll see what I
mean.
Homosexuality is defined by specific sexual acts. Please don't be
naieve.





The likelihood of this happening within the next decade or two is
slim. Much like the Roman Empire, today's societies are within a
trial period of allowance of ICH, and as it did in Roman times, ICH
will eventually cause the decay of successful interaction between the
sexes and cause a undesirable trend towards a non-reproductive
society.


The Roman empire most likely did not have many exclusive homosexuals.


You need to read more Roman history then.


Well it certainly wasn't the cause of its downfall, if that is your
implication.

It was part of the cause. It's usually refered to as *the weakening of
the moral structure of*...



Successful interation between the sexes? An interesting phrase...



The trend of low reproduction is noted in most "evolved" societies.
In my parents' generation, it was not unusual to have 7 or more
siblings. Nowadays, most couples stop at 2 kids, sometimes 3. This
is due to many factors. The rising cost of living; women are no
longer seen as chattels; access to birth control allows family
planning; couples putting off having children until their economic
futures are more securely known. Homosexuality has nothing to do with
any of that decline in birth rate. In third world countries, the
birth rate is markedly higher, for a variety of reasons, yet
homosexuality continues to exist in all of these places.

Yes, and so does other counter-evolutionary conditions. I didn't say
it was the only cause. Just one of the causes.


I try my best.



Combined with the increased possibility of disease that is inherent
with ICH, a very real danger to the evolvement and continuance of the
human species exists.


The fact that someone is homosexual doesn't mean they have an
increased possibility of disease.

Yes it does. Look at the studies. Do a google on it.

Heterosexuals and homosexuals alike
are struck with diseases all the time that have nothing to do with
their sexual orientation.

Of course they are. Your point?


So-called ICH has practically zero possiblity of(sexually transmitted)
diseases if it is within a committed exclusive relationship, just like
heterosexuals have in a commited exclusive relationship.

Monogamy is an almost sure way to prevent most STD's. The rampant
disregard of it is the cause of millions of cases.


You could say there is an increased possibility of disease in the
single-heterosexual as well, just like single homosexuals. Then
there's the lesbians, which are less vulnerable than heterosexual
females to STD threats.

I'm not sure that that is correct. Will you provide your source?




Since homosexuals are a minority of any population, and heterosexuals
cannot :choose: to become homosexual, there is no risk to species
continuation.


Ebola is a minority of viruses. That doesn't decrease the possibility
that Ebola could cause a global problem.

I belive that hetarosexuals are a result of evolution and Homosexuals
are not. I also believe that homosexual sex acts increase the
possibility of alterations of STD's that could at worst, risk species
elimination.


I disagree with that hypothesis. I believe that both heterosexuals
and homosexuals are a result of evolution.

If you mean bio-evolution, then I believe you are wrong. I imagine
that there are many who would aggree with either of us.
Mutations of STDs could

occur in both homosexual and heterosexual populations, all they need
is promiscuity and carriers. But, put both camps into exclusive
relationships, and the problem is eliminated whole.

Nature is a real *****. Something would evolve as a control.


In fact, most of the strains (4/5) of HIV are actually geared towards
heterosexual transmission; that is to say, they acclimate themselves
into the vagina and/or foreskin to facilitate easier vaginal
transmission.

If you use a big calculator as a hammer, it doesn't mean that it is a
hammer. Not all foreskins end up in vaginas and not all vaginas only
have contact with foreskins.


A much bigger threat to humanity is the misuse of antibiotics and
household anti-bacterial cleansers, which has allowed many
infections/infestations to *bounce* back stronger than before,
requiring the use of stronger and stronger drugs. This problem could
wipe out the species much faster than the miniscule population of
homosexuals in existence.

No argument there. Did you think I would argue the obvious?
.
User: "Josh82"

Title: Re: Homophobia is a good thing 17 Apr 2004 01:19:35 AM
(Tropical Tim) wrote in message news:<5d054692.0404061614.69cd5676@posting.google.com>...

You obviously have no idea how easy it is to recognize a homosexual in
todays society. Most of your friends probably considered the idea that
you were homosexual, they just didn't tell you. I don't walk up to
each person that I think is a homosexual and say *Hey, aren't you a
homosexual?*
If a person is looking for homosexual behavior, then it increases the
odds that a homosexual will be recognized. I don't say this in a
negitive way. Here is one example. Many homosexual men are much more
likly to show what the rednecks call *womenly type behavior*. Like
touching an infant and caressing it's face while cooing to the child.
I do that with my grandchildren and have seen many heterosexual men do
this, but I've seen many more homosexual men do this. You guys are
more inclined to drop the macho bearing. I've gotten very good at
spotting homosexuals. This allowed me to get to know and interview
many more than would happen by chance.

You're only good at spotting the obvious ones. There are a lot of them
out there that you'd never spot. Some remain undetected on the best
gaydar. And those that do drop the macho behavior are secure enough
with themselves that they can. Lots of heteros are so insecure about
their masculinity that they never would in public.
.

User: "Rob Mitchell"

Title: Re: Homophobia is a good thing 15 Apr 2004 02:40:25 AM
(Tropical Tim) wrote in message news:<5d054692.0404061614.69cd5676@posting.google.com>...

nelliganemile@hotmail.com (Brent Norman) wrote in message news:<a7ad4b4f.0404021912.7402395e@posting.google.com>...

(Tropical Tim) wrote in message news:<5d054692.0404010834.6dc7175e@posting.google.com>...

There could be an evolutionary advantage to having a certain
percentage of a population that will not procreate.


Because of medical intervention, overpopulation is most certinly a
problem. Choosing to not procreate is an intelligent thing to do for
now.

Indeed. And thus it is actually a *good* thing that a percentage of
the population is homosexual, & thus less likely to procreate,
correct? If everyone on earth were heterosexual, without a single
exception, there would be a larger number of people producing
children, right?

The
need for KY jelly to lubricate the anal canal is obviously not
evolved.


Yet the lubricants are used for heterosexual contact in far greater
quantities than homosexual, as many women have problems with "natural"
lubrication, not to mention that homosexuality is not defined by any
specific sexual act.


Ok. You go and ask anyone you like:
What do lesbians do sexualy and what do men who are homosexual do
sexualy.

Most popular answers:
1. Women like to have oral sex with each other.
2. Men like to have anal sex with each other.

Now, I'm not saying that this is a fair statement, but it is true. Try
10 people of mixed gender and sexual preference. You'll see what I
mean.

Homosexuality is defined by specific sexual acts. Please don't be
naieve.

Um, isn't it actually defined by attraction to the same gender, rather
than the opposite gender, whether or not the person acts on that
attraction?
.

User: "Brent Norman"

Title: Re: Homophobia is a good thing 08 Apr 2004 02:36:36 PM
(Tropical Tim) wrote in message news:<5d054692.0404061614.69cd5676@posting.google.com>...

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Planet of the Normals <POTN> wrote in message news:<d1586d945b9fd0ea02981dadd00f9a9d@news.teranews.com>...

Yes, the majority of the world's population has a fear of those
people who practice Homosexuality. Rightly so.


People don't "practice" homosexuality. It's not a hobby, sport or
similar pastime... That is to say, it is not definied by one specific
set of actions or tasks. It simply implies the person with whom one
becomes romantically involved with.


Sexualy involved with. I'm not a expert with semantics. You must know
what I mean by Practicing.


If I was a single homosexual that is only into dating, but no sex
(perhaps waiting for the right person to come along), that would not
count as a practicing homosexual, correct?


Correct. I just spent the evening with another man. He came over to my
house to watch a TV show with me. I was entertaining another man. We
enjoyed each others company and had a great time. He is the best
friend I have at this time of my life.

Neither he nor I are practicing homosexuals. If you have sexual
desires for another man, then I would say you are looking for the
right man to be a practicing homosexual with.

hmm.. I suppose.
I have spent evenings with men, in the exact scenario that you
describe above, some of them "practicing" homosexuals and some of them
"practicing" heterosexuals. Just like I've spent evenings with women,
some of them "practicing heterosexuals" and "practicing homosexuals".
Since they were friends, there was no sexual liaison.


Homosexuals are a very real danger to the human species. After more
than 50 years of personal research via interviews with practicing
Homosexuals,


I am curious about a few things you mentioned:


I'll answer briefly to each.


1) How did you arrive at the opportunity to interview "practicing"
homosexuals?


Most Homosexuals are easy to spot. Speach patterns, bearing, as well
as many other factors can be indicators. Notice I said *can*. Asking
or observing until confirmation has happened is a sure way.


For sure. Back in high school, my friends had no idea about me, but
over enough time they started to wonder, seeing as I wasn't regularly
dating like the rest of my friends, and I was very private about my
romantic feelings/crushes, etc. I eventually did "come out" to them
if it came up in discussion.


You obviously have no idea how easy it is to recognize a homosexual in
todays society. Most of your friends probably considered the idea that
you were homosexual, they just didn't tell you.

I did talk with most of them about it at some point. None of them
suspected until much later, and only because I hadn't been dating
anyone that they were aware of, and I tended to have several, totally
platonic, girlfriends. It is things like that that started them
wondering. I was an athlete, musician, actor, and academic, so there
was no lack of sports in my life, which many people tend to attribute
stereotypically to homosexuals.
I would agree with you that it easy to spot *some* homosexuals out of
the general public, but from my experience, that is the tip of the
iceberg.
I am reminded of the reality tv-series similar to "bachelorette", with
a twist - among the men she has to choose from there are homosexuals.
It is very hard to tell which ones could be homosexual. I also recall
a late night television program where they went on the street and
interviewed men and women and then asked the audience to guess who was
gay or straight. Some were very easy; others were surprising.

I don't walk up to
each person that I think is a homosexual and say *Hey, aren't you a
homosexual?*
If a person is looking for homosexual behavior, then it increases the
odds that a homosexual will be recognized. I don't say this in a
negitive way. Here is one example. Many homosexual men are much more
likly to show what the rednecks call *womenly type behavior*.

Perhaps, I have seen examples of that, however, again, I'd say tip of
the iceberg in my experience. I have homosexual male friends that are
extremely masculine and their ideal mates are the same.
There are physiological studies that seem to point to some homosexual
men's brains having a similar interconnection of hemispheres to that
of females.

Like
touching an infant and caressing it's face while cooing to the child.
I do that with my grandchildren and have seen many heterosexual men do
this, but I've seen many more homosexual men do this. You guys are
more inclined to drop the macho bearing.

I'd agree with that for the most part, although again there are plenty
of exceptions out there.

I've gotten very good at
spotting homosexuals. This allowed me to get to know and interview
many more than would happen by chance.

You've probably gotten very good at spotting certain types of
homosexuals. They come in as many personalities, mannerisms, and
attitudes as straight people.



2) Where did you find them?


Too many instances to answer. They are intermixed with everyone else.


3) What questions did you ask them, and did you ask them all the same
questions?


Over the years, I've asked thousands of questions. I asked the same
questions until I was convinced that the answer was a standard I could
trust.


4) Were they open-ended or closed questions?


Explain further please.


Open ended questions demand "essay answers". They require thought and
yield much information.

Closed questions have short answers, usually "yes" or "no" and do not
yield as much information.


That's what I thought he meant, but now I will answer it as if that is
what he meant.

A very small percentile of the questions I've asked were *closed*
questions. Most people do not express thier most private thoughts to
someone easily. Sometimes, the necessary trust took quite some time to
develop.

Understood.

I have not found a single case that was not caused by a
negative influence in the pre-choice life of any homosexual. These
influences have sometimes been discovered through interviews with
older persons who interacted with the individual who chose to continue
their life as a Homosexual.


I'd be interested to know more about your research.


Then email me. I'll answer as time permits.
Reference this posting so I'll know it's not spam.



Sexual abuse is by far the most prominent of the causes of Individual
Choice of Homosexuality, (ICH), second to juvenile experimentation.


Sexual abuse by a person of the same sex or opposite sex?


Mostly by same sex, but many instances of either or both.


Granted I haven't had 50 years of experience (I'm 26), but I find it
amazing that I have not encountered any homosexuals that I know
personally that have reported sexual abuse as a child/youth.


Perhaps you've never had another man trust you enough to tell you.
Having lived with homosexuals for quite a while gave me the chances to
develop trust among them that was far beyond the norm. Hell, we had
parties of 50+ where I was the only person not homosexual. I found
those moments kind of humorous in an odd way.

I've had many opporunities to attain the trust level necessary to
glean such information, and have been unable to match your results -
perhaps the "type" of homosexual you've managed to attain that level
of trust with with have similar histories.




An almost unlimited list of causes can be attributed to ICH, none of
which include a predetermined physical disposition.



All homosexuals and heterosexuals I have ever known, knew from at
least adolescence that they were attracted to the same/opposite sex,
and this was confirmed by physical reactions, if you know what I
mean!!!


If you mean the stimulation of sexual feelings, than of course this
happens to everyone. I've never said different. However, to actively
participate in homosexual activity is not the same thing.



Having sexual feelings for the opposite sex versus actively
participating in sexual activity with the opposite sex=Having sexual
feelings for the same sex versus participating in sexual activity with
the same sex, n'est-ce pas?


Yes, I understand what you mean, but what does that have to do with
what I said?

Your implication that desire for the same sex and participation in
sexual activity with the same sex are not the same thing, as if that
were something unique to homosexual relations.



In each case of ICH, a method of therapy should be discovered that
would allow the person to return to a sexual orientation that is that
of the evolved Heterosexual.


It is presumptuous to say such a thing.. "the evolved heterosexual" ..
I don't think heterosexuals ever evolved, they always were, just like
homosexuals.


I disaggree totaly. Just one example. When the fluids in a womens
vagina are excreted during sexual excitation, it is an evolved
reaction that enables the best chance for sucessful procreation.


True, but the percentage of times a woman's vagina is used for
successful procreation versus recreation makes that assumption seem a
little overkill. Sure it has procreative abilities, but that is not
its sole purpose, based on its use.


I imagine that male-female intercourse has always been more
entertainment than procreative. The evolution of the reproductive
system of the human does include feeling good as a cause to mate.
Nature sure wouldn't make a vagina feel like sandpaper. It would
really hinder procreation by making it less than enjoyable.


There could be an evolutionary advantage to having a certain
percentage of a population that will not procreate.


Because of medical intervention, overpopulation is most certinly a
problem. Choosing to not procreate is an intelligent thing to do for
now.

There was a time when having 10 siblings was not unusual. Nowadays it
is defintitely abnormal and statistically deviant.


The
need for KY jelly to lubricate the anal canal is obviously not
evolved.


Yet the lubricants are used for heterosexual contact in far greater
quantities than homosexual, as many women have problems with "natural"
lubrication, not to mention that homosexuality is not defined by any
specific sexual act.


Ok. You go and ask anyone you like:
What do lesbians do sexualy and what do men who are homosexual do
sexualy.

Most popular answers:
1. Women like to have oral sex with each other.
2. Men like to have anal sex with each other.

Now, I'm not saying that this is a fair statement, but it is true. Try
10 people of mixed gender and sexual preference. You'll see what I
mean.

For heterosexuals the following would come out too:
1. Men and women like to have oral sex with each other
2. Men and women like to have anal sex with each other.


Homosexuality is defined by specific sexual acts. Please don't be
naieve.

I really don't want to go into details, but homosexuality is not
defined by specific sex acts. If that were true, then homosexual men
who don't have anal sex are not "real" homosexuals? They still feel a
bond with each other similar to the bond felt within an opposite-sex
couple; the way they express it may be different, but they are still
homosexual.





The likelihood of this happening within the next decade or two is
slim. Much like the Roman Empire, today's societies are within a
trial period of allowance of ICH, and as it did in Roman times, ICH
will eventually cause the decay of successful interaction between the
sexes and cause a undesirable trend towards a non-reproductive
society.


The Roman empire most likely did not have many exclusive homosexuals.


You need to read more Roman history then.


Well it certainly wasn't the cause of its downfall, if that is your
implication.


It was part of the cause. It's usually refered to as *the weakening of
the moral structure of*...

"Weakening of the moral structure", is such a vague term. When I read
that phrase, I think of things like rampant theft, rape, assault,
lawlessness, rioting, wilful destruction, self-centredness,
insubordination, etc., not homosexuality.



Successful interation between the sexes? An interesting phrase...



The trend of low reproduction is noted in most "evolved" societies.
In my parents' generation, it was not unusual to have 7 or more
siblings. Nowadays, most couples stop at 2 kids, sometimes 3. This
is due to many factors. The rising cost of living; women are no
longer seen as chattels; access to birth control allows family
planning; couples putting off having children until their economic
futures are more securely known. Homosexuality has nothing to do with
any of that decline in birth rate. In third world countries, the
birth rate is markedly higher, for a variety of reasons, yet
homosexuality continues to exist in all of these places.


Yes, and so does other counter-evolutionary conditions. I didn't say
it was the only cause. Just one of the causes.

I don't think that homosexuality contributed to heterosexuals having
less children, absolutely not.


I try my best.



Combined with the increased possibility of disease that is inherent
with ICH, a very real danger to the evolvement and continuance of the
human species exists.


The fact that someone is homosexual doesn't mean they have an
increased possibility of disease.


Yes it does. Look at the studies. Do a google on it.

I know many disease-free homosexuals, and the ones with diseases are
not STDs, but other conditions that have nothing to do with their
sexuality.
I have been with the same person for almost 8 years, exclusively, and
I know several homosexual couples that are similar; none have any
diseases, are they the exception to the rule? or are diseased
homosexuals the exception to the rule? They most certainly are not
the norm. Whenever I have heard of someone with an STD, it's usually
a big deal, not the norm for everyone. Porn stars, or prostitutes by
definition, for example, is to have sex with differnt people all the
time throughout the course of their work. They comprise a minority of
heterosexual population, but we wouldn't use their STD statistics to
apply to the general population of heterosexuals.
I'd say that 60% of statistics are meaningless since they negate the
individual circumstances teeheehee ;-)

Heterosexuals and homosexuals alike
are struck with diseases all the time that have nothing to do with
their sexual orientation.


Of course they are. Your point?


So-called ICH has practically zero possiblity of(sexually transmitted)
diseases if it is within a committed exclusive relationship, just like
heterosexuals have in a commited exclusive relationship.


Monogamy is an almost sure way to prevent most STD's. The rampant
disregard of it is the cause of millions of cases.

Yup.


You could say there is an increased possibility of disease in the
single-heterosexual as well, just like single homosexuals. Then
there's the lesbians, which are less vulnerable than heterosexual
females to STD threats.


I'm not sure that that is correct. Will you provide your source?

Young single homosexuals and young single heterosexuals tend to have
higher STD rates than married/coupled hetero/homo sexuals, it's common
sense. I'm sure I could come up with sources to back that up. Simply
put, people are much more sexually active due to a)opportunity for
sexual partners and b)biological functioning of sexual
systems(organs,hormones, etc)
People who are married/coupled are much more likely to be in a
"settling down" mode rather than a "sowing wild oats" mode.
.



User: "Josh82"

Title: Re: Homophobia is a good thing 17 Apr 2004 01:08:29 AM
(Tropical Tim) wrote in message news:<5d054692.0404010834.6dc7175e@posting.google.com>...

I have not found a single case that was not caused by a
negative influence in the pre-choice life of any homosexual. These
influences have sometimes been discovered through interviews with
older persons who interacted with the individual who chose to continue
their life as a Homosexual.

Then you don't have a good sample population. Your data is
inadmissible. I have never had a negative influence of that sort.
Looking back little hints about my own sexuality have been there since
about age 8. Of course I didn't that at the time. I was only 9 after
all. That was even before I knew what gay meant.
Several of my dearest friends are strictly gay. They have never had
any influence like that either. I see no way that having a sexual
abuse encounter could not only influence one's sexuality but also
cause effeminate physical characteristics to develop.

The Roman empire most likely did not have many exclusive homosexuals.


You need to read more Roman history then.

I might agree with you there. It depends on how much it takes to
qualify as homosexual. I think nearly everyone has a bit of curve to
them if they wouldn't suppress, hide, and deny it. But I think it's
possible that some people can be completely hetero.

I belive that hetarosexuals are a result of evolution and Homosexuals
are not. I also believe that homosexual sex acts increase the
possibility of alterations of STD's that could at worst, risk species
elimination.

Explain your reasoning. Microorganisms will take up residence in any
body that suits their needs. Male or female is of no matter to them if
they have what it takes. Species is no matter either.
I believe that stupidity and ignorance is more of a threat to our
survival.
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