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"IBen Getiner" |
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31 Mar 2004 10:09:18 PM |
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Re: Homophobia kills |
(Brent Norman) wrote in message news:<a7ad4b4f.0403300940.46e9dcb7@posting.google.com>...
Lappcatt@aol.com (IBen Getiner) wrote in message news:<396a5984.0403300142.7b4a7826@posting.google.com>...
Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote in message news:<nnlg60plrugli0h24mperaj4o19rdlfds7@4ax.com>...
On 29 Mar 2004 06:49:30 -0800, (Krazy K)
wrote:
(Brent Norman) wrote in message news:<a7ad4b4f.0403260913.2c960bbf@posting.google.com>...
Lappcatt@aol.com (IBen Getiner) wrote in message news:<396a5984.0403260303.25771cd2@posting.google.com>...
Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote in message news:<etk760dnfjaar4n0cv6r7pee0923sic1ag@4ax.com>...
On 25 Mar 2004 22:17:01 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
(Brent Norman) wrote in
news:a7ad4b4f.0403241219.5a58a419@posting.google.com:
Yep. As long as they don't try to teach it to our kids in school or
church or in their scout group,
No matter how much you teach "it" to "our" kids in school or church (I
don't know why any sexual discussion would occur in a scout group or
church though), you can't make people become attracted to the same
sex, if they aren't attracted to the same sex.
I believe the poster was referring to the possibility of immature
minds being led astray by the usual, normal, subtle influences to try
different things, which is natural. Of course, the more homosexuality
is exposed on tv, in the public, and in the law, the kids are more
likely, some of them, to try it. So the percentage may increase. I
believe this is the main concern parents feel.
The fact remains that people do not become homosexuals in that way.
Heterosexuals are not recruited into being heterosexual,
Yep. Normal is... well, NORMAL.
and
homosexuals are not recruited into being homosexuals.
Then why do they choose to be queers..? They weren't 'born that way'
and you can't prove that they are.
And you can't prove that they aren't, nor can you prove that
heterosexuals are born that way either.
They were all led astray at some
delicate time in their lives, and it doesn't help by telling the poor
impressionable foolz that it's OK, either. It just makes it easier for
the weak-minded fodder to go along with the sick and perverted ... to
'experiment'! You give them this permission with your tolerance! You
are helping to weave a LIE, Tommy-boy.
Whether or not "permission" is given for "experimentation", it will
still happen. This is demonstrated in countries where there is a
harsh attitude towards homosexuality, yet it continues to thrive.
List sources... Otherwise, it's only your ***** word, which ain't
good enough for me.
And look at what has come of it... Faggz are generally unhappy
people,
if the suicide stats are to be believed.
Hmm I wonder why?
I mean, just how
happy would you be if you were duped into believing that you had a
'gender -misassignment' issue!? And almost 60 percent of all reported
AIDS cases in the good old USA are queer related. Yet they don't even
make up 5 percent of the total population! AIDS is a good thing,
though. I'm not bitching about it or anything, it's just that people
like you are responsible for much of the problem.
I don't know about your numbers for AIDS cases, especially the number
of cases that are "queer related", and you've only restricted your
scope to the the U.S., which only tells part of the story. However,
putting the scope aside, how exactly was it determined which cases are
"queer-related"? I am sure that whenever a diagnosis occurs, the
person has to self-report their activities. Closet queers are more
likely to commit suicide, as well as take risks, and probably if they
become infected with something they will deny their sexuality, so
there very well could be a hidden statistic that doesn't show up in
reports, it is a possiblity.
Yadda, yadda, yadda... Just look it up at the CDC, azzhole.
Furthermore a homosexual is no more likely to be interested in sex
with children than a heterosexual is.
Thomas P.
A BOLD statement...
hardly bold,
unbiased Sources, please...
Do you have unbiased sources to the contrary?
Never made the claim. YOU did, *****. YOU produce the goods to
back it up, or SHUT IT!
I've seen evidence to
show that a heterosexual is actually more likely to be interested in
sex with children than a homosexual,
Yes, but.... all I read is your talk.
if that were true for the general
population, would that justify keeping heterosexuals away from
children?
'IF' don't cut it.
Or is it better to have an older, more established
heterosexual "initiating" a child into heterosexuality?
The normal inclination among most forms of life on this planet is to
seek out the opposite sex with which to breed. No one has to initiate
that. But to address your hypothetical argument, I think it would be
less traumatic to be seduced by a person with normal
sexual-orientation (ie; the oppisite sex) than it would be to be
exposed to the degradation of being raped by a queer. At least this
way, they would have only one trauma to overcome.
Am I coming thru, Brent...? I think so...
IBen G.
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| User: "Brent Norman" |
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| Title: Re: Homophobia kills |
01 Apr 2004 11:47:35 AM |
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(IBen Getiner) wrote in message news:<396a5984.0403312009.6d3a380@posting.google.com>...
nelliganemile@hotmail.com (Brent Norman) wrote in message news:<a7ad4b4f.0403300940.46e9dcb7@posting.google.com>...
(IBen Getiner) wrote in message news:<396a5984.0403300142.7b4a7826@posting.google.com>...
Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote in message news:<nnlg60plrugli0h24mperaj4o19rdlfds7@4ax.com>...
On 29 Mar 2004 06:49:30 -0800, (Krazy K)
wrote:
nelliganemile@hotmail.com (Brent Norman) wrote in message news:<a7ad4b4f.0403260913.2c960bbf@posting.google.com>...
(IBen Getiner) wrote in message news:<396a5984.0403260303.25771cd2@posting.google.com>...
Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote in message news:<etk760dnfjaar4n0cv6r7pee0923sic1ag@4ax.com>...
On 25 Mar 2004 22:17:01 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
nelliganemile@hotmail.com (Brent Norman) wrote in
news:a7ad4b4f.0403241219.5a58a419@posting.google.com:
Yep. As long as they don't try to teach it to our kids in school or
church or in their scout group,
No matter how much you teach "it" to "our" kids in school or church (I
don't know why any sexual discussion would occur in a scout group or
church though), you can't make people become attracted to the same
sex, if they aren't attracted to the same sex.
I believe the poster was referring to the possibility of immature
minds being led astray by the usual, normal, subtle influences to try
different things, which is natural. Of course, the more homosexuality
is exposed on tv, in the public, and in the law, the kids are more
likely, some of them, to try it. So the percentage may increase. I
believe this is the main concern parents feel.
The fact remains that people do not become homosexuals in that way.
Heterosexuals are not recruited into being heterosexual,
Yep. Normal is... well, NORMAL.
and
homosexuals are not recruited into being homosexuals.
Then why do they choose to be queers..? They weren't 'born that way'
and you can't prove that they are.
And you can't prove that they aren't, nor can you prove that
heterosexuals are born that way either.
They were all led astray at some
delicate time in their lives, and it doesn't help by telling the poor
impressionable foolz that it's OK, either. It just makes it easier for
the weak-minded fodder to go along with the sick and perverted ... to
'experiment'! You give them this permission with your tolerance! You
are helping to weave a LIE, Tommy-boy.
Whether or not "permission" is given for "experimentation", it will
still happen. This is demonstrated in countries where there is a
harsh attitude towards homosexuality, yet it continues to thrive.
List sources... Otherwise, it's only your ***** word, which ain't
good enough for me.
These are some articles detailing the frequent execution of gays in
some countries where homosexuality is harshly outlawed, yet people
continue to be homosexual.
http://www.afrol.com/Categories/Gay/backgr_islam_gays.htm
Sheikh Sharkhawy publicly advocates the execution of gay males over
the age of 10, and life imprisonment for lesbians.
The December edition of the Australian magazine had D.N.A.some
appalling facts
Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world with an estimated
1.6 million followers and it
is estimated that at least 120 million of the Muslim population is
gay.
In many Islamic countries, homosexuality is a crime punishable by
death.
In the 82 countries where homosexuality is against the law, 36 are
predominantly Muslim.
Iran is the most zealously homophonic Islamic country. Since 1980 when
the fundamentalists came to power under the leadership of Ayatollah
Khomeini 4000 lesbians and gay men have been executed. Some have been
beheaded, other stoned, burned alive, thrown from mountain tops or
high buildings or have been crushed under collapsing walls of stone
just for being gay.
Despite this, homosexuals continue to be born and exist in those
countries
http://www.gaymiddleeast.com/
A web site catering to gays in the middle east, where homosexuality is
not tolerated, and often under penalty of death, yet they continue to
exist.
Even the USA had harsh anti-homosexual laws on the books, but they
still existed.
And look at what has come of it... Faggz are generally unhappy
people,
if the suicide stats are to be believed.
Hmm I wonder why?
I mean, just how
happy would you be if you were duped into believing that you had a
'gender -misassignment' issue!? And almost 60 percent of all reported
AIDS cases in the good old USA are queer related. Yet they don't even
make up 5 percent of the total population! AIDS is a good thing,
though. I'm not bitching about it or anything, it's just that people
like you are responsible for much of the problem.
I don't know about your numbers for AIDS cases, especially the number
of cases that are "queer related", and you've only restricted your
scope to the the U.S., which only tells part of the story. However,
putting the scope aside, how exactly was it determined which cases are
"queer-related"? I am sure that whenever a diagnosis occurs, the
person has to self-report their activities. Closet queers are more
likely to commit suicide, as well as take risks, and probably if they
become infected with something they will deny their sexuality, so
there very well could be a hidden statistic that doesn't show up in
reports, it is a possiblity.
Yadda, yadda, yadda... Just look it up at the CDC, azzhole.
You didn't address any of the points, you resorted to insults. Come
on, more substance, please.
How do they verify if someone got HIV/AIDS from homosexual or
heterosexual contact? The only way to know is to ask the person, and
how do we know those responses are truthful, and are probably
unverifiable. The CDC information doesn't tell that.
Furthermore a homosexual is no more likely to be interested in sex
with children than a heterosexual is.
Never made the claim. YOU did, *****. YOU produce the goods to
back it up, or SHUT IT!
I've seen evidence to
show that a heterosexual is actually more likely to be interested in
sex with children than a homosexual,
Yes, but.... all I read is your talk.
if that were true for the general
population, would that justify keeping heterosexuals away from
children?
'IF' don't cut it.
Alrighty then:
*Carole Jenny, Tom Roesler, and Kimberly Poyer, "Are Children at Risk
for Sexual Abuse by Homosexuals?," Pediatrics, 94(1), July 1994, pp.
41-44.
Two physicians reviewed EVERY case of suspected child molestation
evaluated at Children's Hospital in Denver over a one-year period. Of
the 269 cases determined to involve molestation by an adult, only two
of the perpetrators could be identified as gay or lesbian. The
researchers concluded that the risk of child sexual abuse by an
identifiably gay or lesbian person was between zero and 3.1%, and that
the risk of such abuse by the heterosexual partner of a relative was
over 100 times greater.
***
*Kurt Freund, Robin Watson, and Douglas Rienzo, "Heterosexuality,
Homosexuality, and Erotic Age Preference," The Journal of Sex
Research, 26(1), Feb. 1989, pp. 107-117.
Sex researcher Kurt Freund (Clarke Institute of Psychiatry,Toronto)
Studied two groups of paid volunteers and found that gay men responded
no more to male child stimuli than heterosexual men responded to
female child stimuli. He later described as a "myth" the notion that
gay men are more likely than straight men to be child molesters.
***
PSYCHOLOGICAL PERSPECTIVE
by Charlene L. Muehlenhard, Ph.D.
Child molesters can be placed on a continuum, with fixated or
preferential abusers at one end and regressed or situational abusers
at the other end. Fixated or preferential child molesters have NO
adult sexual orientation; they are neither heterosexual nor
homosexual; they are not sexually attracted to women or men -- only to
children. Regressed or situational child molesters are primarily
attracted to adults but turn to children because of some situational
factor, such as loss of a partner, difficulties in relating to age
peers, or some precipitating stress.
In a classic study, researchers investigated 175 men convicted of
sexually assaulting children in Massachusetts. About half (47%) were
fixated, never having developed an adult sexual orientation. Most of
the rest (40%) were exclusively heterosexual. The remainder (13%) were
bisexual, sexually attracted to both women and men, but "in no case
did this attraction to men exceed their preference for women. . . .
There were no men who were primarily sexually attracted to other adult
males." The researchers concluded that "the adult heterosexual male
constitutes a greater sexual risk to underage children than does the
adult homosexual male."
A. Nicholas Groth and H. Jean Birnbaum, "Adult Sexual Orientation and
Attraction to Underage Persons," Archives of Sexual Behavior, 7(3),
1978, pp. 175-181
***
Pedophiles, men who have a sexual preference for children, constitute
less than 1% of the adult male population. Pedophiles are quite
distinct from adult gay men who prefer adult sexual partners. Studies
have shown no correlation between a man's sexual orientation and a
tendency to sexually abuse children (Langevin, 1989).
***
There's a mountain of other *credible* research that shows this to be
the case. In some cases, heterosexual men are shown to be MORE likely
to sexually abuse children, especially when they have an immediate
familial connection to the abuse victim.
or is it better to have an older, more established
heterosexual "initiating" a child into heterosexuality?
The normal inclination among most forms of life on this planet is to
seek out the opposite sex with which to breed.
Yes, if by normal you mean, the inclination of the majority. Example:
In North America, it is normal for a business to lease its office
space. In Japan, it is abnormal and a deviation, since most
businesses own their office space.
No one has to initiate
that.
A homosexual doesn't need to initiate anything either, it is just the
way they are.
But to address your hypothetical argument, I think it would be
less traumatic to be seduced by a person with normal
sexual-orientation (ie; the oppisite sex) than it would be to be
exposed to the degradation of being raped by a queer.
There are many examples of same-sex rape that is perpetrated by
heterosexuals as an act of degradation. In certain brutal war
situations, it was not unusual for a conquering army to participate in
the rape and degradation of enemy [male]soldiers, as well as women and
children. I remember how some heterosexual immigration(or other law
enforcement) officers, beat and sodomized a detainee with a broomstick
handle or something like that, very degrading!
Rape by normal heterosexual males is commonplace in prison
populations, to exercise power.
All rape is traumatic.
At least this
way, they would have only one trauma to overcome.
Am I coming thru, Brent...? I think so...
Trauma is still trauma. I do believe though, that for a heterosexual
male to be raped by another male is more traumatic because of the
stigma attached to homosexuality by this society, people would start
accusing the victim of being gay even though he's not, and to a
heterosexual male, being a submissive partner is contrary to his/her
sexuality, so in that case, it would be traumatic. For a heterosexual
female to be raped by a male is just as bad, it is a violation.
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