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"bob&carole" |
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24 May 2007 09:24:30 AM |
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Re: homosexuals and bible revisionism |
On May 23, 7:24?pm, "Jude__Alexander" <c...@thebayou.louisiana>
wrote:
Your opinion on the bible is, as it always has been, completely worthless.
As is your existence...so what?
You are a bible revisionist/denier and a known liar, your endless attempts
at debunking the bible has only served to show just how cretinous you
really are, it's not just the verses in Leviticus that condemn
homosexuality, there are many other verses that condemn it as well, but
hey, don't let a few facts get in the way of you trip to a burning lake of
fire and brimstone.
Hey, didn't you tell me you weren't "religious" but here you are indirectly
claiming understanding of the bible more than Jaye.
If you understand the concept of 2+2, you know more than jaye....
The truth of the matter is that the bible is fraught with MISUSE on the side
of the bigots... that would be you... :)
Bigots like yourself OFTEN like to claim that the bible gives special
condemnation toward people who have sex with same gendered partners.
However, that isn't true. Also, the common garden variety of bigots.....
that you be you also... don't realize that the word "abomination" also
applied to "unblanced weights"
WHAT??? LOL... maybe you mean "unbalanced" weights, which is
a good defination of homosexuality in itself....
(dishonest business practice), lying,
Yep, that's a homo to a tee.........
mis-judging and dozen or so other things. Bigots use the word "abomination"
like it is something SPECIAL in the bible! lol
Don't forget also that the bible (written by STONE and BRONZE aged Jews ---
So you're an antisemite?
That figures.
isn't that quite a long time ago? lol) condemns SOUNDLY us men and woman
have premarital sex. The punishment? DEATH! So, the STONE and BRONZE aged
Jews claimed that God told them that DEATH was the appropriate sentence for
MEN & WOMEN who "fornicated."
None of you bigots really understand the bible. You just use it as a
hammering tool, a weapon against those you hate.
Your unprepossessing rants suit you, judy....
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| User: "mrsil96" |
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| Title: Re: homosexuals and bible revisionism |
28 May 2007 12:02:07 PM |
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Hi Bob and Carol:
Interesting post ... so much so I just had to find out where you
got it from:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/9985ee229f493b86
On May 24, 9:24 am, bob&carole <bobandcarole1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On May 23, 7:24?pm, "Jude__Alexander" <c...@thebayou.louisiana>
wrote:
Your opinion on the bible is, as it always has been, completely worthless.
As is your existence...so what?
Not a really good idea to tell someone who are trying to witness to
that their
existence is a sorry one.
You are a bible revisionist/denier and a known liar, your endless attempts
at debunking the bible has only served to show just how cretinous you
really are, it's not just the verses in Leviticus that condemn
homosexuality, there are many other verses that condemn it as well, but
hey, don't let a few facts get in the way of you trip to a burning lake of
fire and brimstone.
Hey, didn't you tell me you weren't "religious" but here you are indirectly
claiming understanding of the bible more than Jaye.
When your dealing with a homosexual and you want to approach him about
the bible, keep his private life and what he is doing out of the
equation. When you're trying to tell someone about Jesus Christ sin
is not the issue, the issue is what do you think about Christ. Tell a
homosexual that the bible says that all they have to do is believe in
Jesus Christ, they will get to heaven ... trust me THEY WILL BE
IMPRESSED!
mis-judging and dozen or so other things. Bigots use the word "abomination"
like it is something SPECIAL in the bible! lol
Don't forget also that the bible (written by STONE and BRONZE aged Jews ---
So you're an antisemite?
That figures.
Look writing garbage like this making an issue about someone's sin
does nothing but causes problems ... and yet it could lead to a anti-
Semitic movement that you will be responsible for.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/msg/6c67c95cf7ed423d
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/msg/4ea00b9321f00173
isn't that quite a long time ago? lol) condemns SOUNDLY us men and woman
have premarital sex. The punishment? DEATH! So, the STONE and BRONZE aged
Jews claimed that God told them that DEATH was the appropriate sentence for
MEN & WOMEN who "fornicated."
None of you bigots really understand the bible. You just use it as a
hammering tool, a weapon against those you hate.
Your unprepossessing rants suit you, judy....
I'm afraid it is you that does not understand the bible. Yes before
Christ, death was the appropriate sentence for that kind of stuff, but
not in this dispensation. That now is a matter for God to judge not
you.
I suggest that you stick your nose in bible class before you ever make
an attempt to writing a homosexual, because all you are doing is
irritating them and not accomplishing anything.
I'll never understand why people love getting into word fights about
stupid little silly issues, unless they get some ___ pleasure out of
it.
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| User: "Darrell Stec" |
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| Title: Re: homosexuals and bible revisionism |
28 May 2007 07:41:22 PM |
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mrsil96 wrote:
Hi Bob and Carol:
Interesting post ... so much so I just had to find out where you
got it from:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/9985ee229f493b86
On May 24, 9:24 am, bob&carole <bobandcarole1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On May 23, 7:24?pm, "Jude__Alexander" <c...@thebayou.louisiana>
wrote:
Your opinion on the bible is, as it always has been, completely
worthless.
As is your existence...so what?
Not a really good idea to tell someone who are trying to witness to
that their
existence is a sorry one.
You are a bible revisionist/denier and a known liar, your endless
attempts at debunking the bible has only served to show just how
cretinous you really are, it's not just the verses in Leviticus that
condemn homosexuality, there are many other verses that condemn it as
well, but hey, don't let a few facts get in the way of you trip to a
burning lake of fire and brimstone.
Hey, didn't you tell me you weren't "religious" but here you are
indirectly claiming understanding of the bible more than Jaye.
When your dealing with a homosexual and you want to approach him about
the bible, keep his private life and what he is doing out of the
equation. When you're trying to tell someone about Jesus Christ sin
is not the issue, the issue is what do you think about Christ. Tell a
homosexual that the bible says that all they have to do is believe in
Jesus Christ, they will get to heaven ... trust me THEY WILL BE
IMPRESSED!
mis-judging and dozen or so other things. Bigots use the word
"abomination"
like it is something SPECIAL in the bible! lol
Don't forget also that the bible (written by STONE and BRONZE aged Jews
---
So you're an antisemite?
That figures.
Look writing garbage like this making an issue about someone's sin
does nothing but causes problems ... and yet it could lead to a anti-
Semitic movement that you will be responsible for.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/msg/6c67c95cf7ed423d
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/msg/4ea00b9321f00173
isn't that quite a long time ago? lol) condemns SOUNDLY us men and
woman
have premarital sex. The punishment? DEATH! So, the STONE and BRONZE
aged Jews claimed that God told them that DEATH was the appropriate
sentence for MEN & WOMEN who "fornicated."
None of you bigots really understand the bible. You just use it as a
hammering tool, a weapon against those you hate.
Your unprepossessing rants suit you, judy....
I'm afraid it is you that does not understand the bible. Yes before
Christ, death was the appropriate sentence for that kind of stuff, but
not in this dispensation. That now is a matter for God to judge not
you.
I suggest that you stick your nose in bible class before you ever make
an attempt to writing a homosexual, because all you are doing is
irritating them and not accomplishing anything.
I'll never understand why people love getting into word fights about
stupid little silly issues, unless they get some ___ pleasure out of
it.
Sort of like your silly assertion that homosexuality is a sin? How do you
get that idea considering there was no word for homosexual or homosexuality
in either Hebrew and Greek, the languages the books of the bible were
originally written in. The Old Testament does not mention the SIN of
homosexuality and neither does the New Testament.
--
Later,
Darrell Stec
Webpage Sorcery
http://webpagesorcery.com
We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
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| User: "Bob" |
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| Title: Re: homosexuals and bible revisionism |
03 Jun 2007 02:55:26 PM |
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On May 28, 7:41 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>
wrote:
Sort of like your silly assertion that homosexuality is a sin? How do you
get that idea considering there was no word for homosexual or homosexuality
in either Hebrew and Greek, the languages the books of the bible were
originally written in. The Old Testament does not mention the SIN of
homosexuality and neither does the New Testament.
Then what do you get from Leviticus 20:13?
If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman,
both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put
to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
Or Romans 1?
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their
women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way
the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed
with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men,
and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Bob
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| User: "Darrell Stec" |
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| Title: Re: homosexuals and bible revisionism |
07 Jun 2007 10:08:00 PM |
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Bob wrote:
On May 28, 7:41 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>
wrote:
Sort of like your silly assertion that homosexuality is a sin? How do
you get that idea considering there was no word for homosexual or
homosexuality in either Hebrew and Greek, the languages the books of the
bible were
originally written in. The Old Testament does not mention the SIN of
homosexuality and neither does the New Testament.
Then what do you get from Leviticus 20:13?
If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman,
both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put
to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
Leviticus was a ritualistic prohibition. If it were a moral injunction then
it would have a counterpart in Deuteronomy. It fell into the same
ritualistic prohibition, the penalty of which was death, as blending two or
more fabrics into clothing, planting more than one crop in a field,
touching anything a menstruating woman touched or touching her yourself, or
eating pork or shellfish.
Do you protect the immorality of those with the same fierce assiduousness as
with this Leviticus injunction?
In a society where it was common for a man to have more than one wife, the
man slept in the bed of the wife it order to avoid defiling it. If he had
intercourse in his own bed then it and he became unclean for a 24 hour
period. In a militaristic society it would be fatal for half or more of
the military aged men to be out of commission for a whole day (or even
longer if promiscuously active).
But even this was secondary to the main concern -- subservience. A free
Hebrew male was never to be subservient to another. If two men had sex,
then one had to be in the receiving or subservient position. That was a
big no no. This attitude was retained all the way up to New Testament
times when Joshua talked about hitting the other cheek. It was one of the
three lessons on passive aggressiveness. When a superior hit an inferior,
he used the back hand. If the one receiving the blow turned his cheek,
then the only recourse was to strike him head on with a forward blow thus
treating him as an equal. That the striker would never want.
The fact that the authors of the gospels showed Joshua curing the homosexual
lover of the centurion without comment (when it would have been a perfect
time to make a remark about the centurion's immoral behavior) demonstrates
that Joshua did not consider that circumstance to be immoral in his
father's eyes. When Joshua talked about the end of the world when two men
were working in the field together, he said one would be taken up to heaven
and the other would remain behind, then he talked about two men in bed
together. One would be taken up to heaven and the other would remain
behind. What, one would be taken directly to heaven??? Obviously Joshua
missed another great opportunity to talk about the immorality of the
situation. But then one realizes that Joshua through out the ritualistic
injunctions, like working on the Sabaoth and eating certain things.
Or Romans 1?
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their
women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way
the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed
with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men,
and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Aside from that fact that this is a very poor and misleading translation of
the actual Greek, it is taken out of context. The epistle writer is
talking about religious rites and activities of competing religious
especially temple prostitution both male and female.
Additionally this passage has long been considered an interpolation. But
even if it is part and parcel of the Pauline epistles the writers of them
had their spokesperson in the name of Paul admit that what he gave was
entirely his PERSONAL opinion based solely on his reading of the Old
Testament and revelation from god the father. Nothing he wrote came from
any man including his martyr Joshua, if he even thought of Joshua as an
earthly being.
Bob
--
Later,
Darrell Stec
Webpage Sorcery
http://webpagesorcery.com
We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
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| User: "mrsil96" |
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| Title: Re: homosexuals and bible revisionism |
03 Jun 2007 05:29:21 PM |
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On Jun 3, 2:55 pm, Bob <robert.k...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 28, 7:41 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>
wrote:
Sort of like your silly assertion that homosexuality is a sin? How do you
get that idea considering there was no word for homosexual or homosexuality
in either Hebrew and Greek, the languages the books of the bible were
originally written in. The Old Testament does not mention the SIN of
homosexuality and neither does the New Testament.
Then what do you get from Leviticus 20:13?
If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman,
both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put
to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
Or Romans 1?
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their
women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way
the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed
with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men,
and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Homosexuality is a sin, but a gay person does not have to give up his
sin to get into heaven, and every time some idiot mentions these
verses, it drives a gay person away from learning the truth on how he
can get to heaven.
After he believes in Jesus Christ, he should be shown those verses,
but for crying out loud don't shove those verses down someone throat
and tell him now he has to give up that sin. Show him how to solve
the problem.
Tell him that every time he has sex with a man afterwards tell God the
Father that he slept with so and so - without adding any emotions to
it. Then let God deal with him on his issue with sin ... NOT YOU!
No wonder why homosexuals hate people that believe in Jesus Christ.
Look at how most people treat them. HORRIBLY!
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| User: "pandora" |
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| Title: Re: homosexuals and bible revisionism |
07 Jun 2007 03:11:37 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 22:29:21 +0000, mrsil96 wrote:
No wonder why homosexuals hate people that believe in Jesus Christ. Look
at how most people treat them. HORRIBLY!
Most religious people are nutjobs just like you.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: homosexuals and bible revisionism |
08 Jun 2007 12:03:23 AM |
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mrsil96 <mrsil96@gmail.com> wrote:
Homosexuality is a sin,
Look to the beam in yhour own eye, hypocrite.
After he believes in Jesus Christ, he should be shown those verses,
Luke 6:25
No wonder why homosexuals hate people that believe in Jesus Christ.
They don't. They're not the one beating and murdering people. It's
you religious bigots who have resorting to murder, torture, and
persecution of homosexuals.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: homosexuals and bible revisionism |
08 Jun 2007 01:20:39 AM |
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mrsil96 <mrsil96@gmail.com> wrote:
Homosexuality is a sin,
Look to the beam in your own eye, hypocrite.
After he believes in Jesus Christ, he should be shown those verses,
Luke 6:42
No wonder why homosexuals hate people that believe in Jesus Christ.
They don't. They're not the one beating and murdering people. It's
you religious bigots who have been resorting to murder, torture, and
persecution of homosexuals.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "John D. Wentzky" |
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| Title: Re: homosexuals and bible revisionism |
08 Jun 2007 01:28:24 AM |
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Notice:
I am posting this one message to the groups listed.
Any failure to allow this message to be posted to all of those groups will
be considered an act of treason.
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4668f537$0$14117$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
mrsil96 <mrsil96@gmail.com> wrote:
Homosexuality is a sin,
Look to the beam in your own eye,
What beam?
Do you mean the lightbeam?
hypocrite.
Projecting again?
After he believes in Jesus Christ, he should be shown those verses,
Luke 6:42
That doesn't say forgive satan when he says Christians are supposed to
forgive him any.
LOL!
FOOL!
No wonder why homosexuals hate people that believe in Jesus Christ.
They don't.
Good thing then for those who don't.
What about those who do?
They're not the one beating and murdering people.
Trying to shield the cross-dressing criminals from being exposed?
It's you religious bigots who have been resorting to murder, torture, and
persecution of homosexuals.
I thought you said homosexuals don't hate Christians.
Did you mean that Christians have a duty to eliminate guilty homosexual
crossdressing criminals from their nation?
Thanks for the enlightenment.
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| User: "John D. Wentzky" |
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| Title: Re: homosexuals and bible revisionism |
08 Jun 2007 01:31:24 AM |
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Notice:
I am posting this one message to the groups listed.
Any failure to allow this message to be posted to all of those groups will
be considered an act of treason.
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4668f537$0$14117$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
mrsil96 <mrsil96@gmail.com> wrote:
Homosexuality is a sin,
Look to the beam in your own eye, hypocrite.
After he believes in Jesus Christ, he should be shown those verses,
Luke 6:42
No wonder why homosexuals hate people that believe in Jesus Christ.
They don't. They're not the one beating and murdering people. It's
you religious bigots who have been resorting to murder, torture, and
persecution of homosexuals.
"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!" Fischer says after the gay
criminal pride parade comes to town and says, "GET OUT!"
LOL!
What a hypocritical, non-exemplary thing to say.
Too bad you idiots can't come to a place and say "Peace unto this place."
Too bad when you started this 'get out' thing that you caused yourselves to
be judged by your own words and that you will be told to "GET OUT!"
You can't win.
Your tactics are self-destructive.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: homosexuals and bible revisionism |
08 Jun 2007 08:48:45 PM |
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John D. Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Notice:
I am posting this one message to the groups listed.
Any failure to allow this message to be posted to all of those groups will
be considered an act of treason.
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4668f537$0$14117$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
mrsil96 <mrsil96@gmail.com> wrote:
Homosexuality is a sin,
Look to the beam in your own eye, hypocrite.
After he believes in Jesus Christ, he should be shown those verses,
Luke 6:42
No wonder why homosexuals hate people that believe in Jesus Christ.
They don't. They're not the one beating and murdering people. It's
you religious bigots who have been resorting to murder, torture, and
persecution of homosexuals.
"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!" Fischer says after the gay
criminal pride parade comes to town and says, "GET OUT!"
More psychotic delusions, loser?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "mrsil96" |
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| Title: Re: homosexuals and bible revisionism |
01 Jun 2007 09:19:12 AM |
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On May 28, 7:41 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>
wrote:
mrsil96 wrote:
Hi Bob and Carol:
Interesting post ... so much so I just had to find out where you
got it from:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/9985ee2...
On May 24, 9:24 am, bob&carole <bobandcarole1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On May 23, 7:24?pm, "Jude__Alexander" <c...@thebayou.louisiana>
wrote:
Your opinion on the bible is, as it always has been, completely
worthless.
As is your existence...so what?
Not a really good idea to tell someone who are trying to witness to
that their
existence is a sorry one.
You are a bible revisionist/denier and a known liar, your endless
attempts at debunking the bible has only served to show just how
cretinous you really are, it's not just the verses in Leviticus that
condemn homosexuality, there are many other verses that condemn it as
well, but hey, don't let a few facts get in the way of you trip to a
burning lake of fire and brimstone.
Hey, didn't you tell me you weren't "religious" but here you are
indirectly claiming understanding of the bible more than Jaye.
When your dealing with a homosexual and you want to approach him about
the bible, keep his private life and what he is doing out of the
equation. When you're trying to tell someone about Jesus Christ sin
is not the issue, the issue is what do you think about Christ. Tell a
homosexual that the bible says that all they have to do is believe in
Jesus Christ, they will get to heaven ... trust me THEY WILL BE
IMPRESSED!
mis-judging and dozen or so other things. Bigots use the word
"abomination"
like it is something SPECIAL in the bible! lol
Don't forget also that the bible (written by STONE and BRONZE aged Jews
---
So you're an antisemite?
That figures.
Look writing garbage like this making an issue about someone's sin
does nothing but causes problems ... and yet it could lead to a anti-
Semitic movement that you will be responsible for.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/msg/6c67c95cf7ed423d
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/msg/4ea00b9321f00173
isn't that quite a long time ago? lol) condemns SOUNDLY us men and
woman
have premarital sex. The punishment? DEATH! So, the STONE and BRONZE
aged Jews claimed that God told them that DEATH was the appropriate
sentence for MEN & WOMEN who "fornicated."
None of you bigots really understand the bible. You just use it as a
hammering tool, a weapon against those you hate.
Your unprepossessing rants suit you, judy....
I'm afraid it is you that does not understand the bible. Yes before
Christ, death was the appropriate sentence for that kind of stuff, but
not in this dispensation. That now is a matter for God to judge not
you.
I suggest that you stick your nose in bible class before you ever make
an attempt to writing a homosexual, because all you are doing is
irritating them and not accomplishing anything.
I'll never understand why people love getting into word fights about
stupid little silly issues, unless they get some ___ pleasure out of
it.
Sort of like your silly assertion that homosexuality is a sin?
How do you
get that idea considering there was no word for homosexual or homosexuality
in either Hebrew and Greek, the languages the books of the bible were
originally written in. The Old Testament does not mention the SIN of
homosexuality and neither does the New Testament.
Sin is not the issue when your telling people to believe in Jesus
Christ
and sin is not the issue when it comes to living the spirtual life.
The
issues are.
1. What do you think of Jesus Christ
and
2. What are you going to do to solve the problem of sin in your life.
Study the word of God on a daily basis after you believe in Jesus
Christ and let God deal with the homosexual as God sees fit.
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| User: "Jude__Alexander" |
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| Title: Re: homosexuals and bible revisionism |
01 Jun 2007 10:37:01 AM |
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"mrsil96" <mrsil96@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1180707552.396222.229730@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On May 28, 7:41 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>
wrote:
mrsil96 wrote:
Hi Bob and Carol:
Interesting post ... so much so I just had to find out where you
got it from:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/9985ee2...
On May 24, 9:24 am, bob&carole <bobandcarole1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On May 23, 7:24?pm, "Jude__Alexander" <c...@thebayou.louisiana>
wrote:
Your opinion on the bible is, as it always has been, completely
worthless.
As is your existence...so what?
Not a really good idea to tell someone who are trying to witness to
that their
existence is a sorry one.
You are a bible revisionist/denier and a known liar, your endless
attempts at debunking the bible has only served to show just how
cretinous you really are, it's not just the verses in Leviticus
that
condemn homosexuality, there are many other verses that condemn it
as
well, but hey, don't let a few facts get in the way of you trip to
a
burning lake of fire and brimstone.
Hey, didn't you tell me you weren't "religious" but here you are
indirectly claiming understanding of the bible more than Jaye.
When your dealing with a homosexual and you want to approach him about
the bible, keep his private life and what he is doing out of the
equation. When you're trying to tell someone about Jesus Christ sin
is not the issue, the issue is what do you think about Christ. Tell a
homosexual that the bible says that all they have to do is believe in
Jesus Christ, they will get to heaven ... trust me THEY WILL BE
IMPRESSED!
mis-judging and dozen or so other things. Bigots use the word
"abomination"
like it is something SPECIAL in the bible! lol
Don't forget also that the bible (written by STONE and BRONZE aged
Jews
---
So you're an antisemite?
That figures.
Look writing garbage like this making an issue about someone's sin
does nothing but causes problems ... and yet it could lead to a anti-
Semitic movement that you will be responsible for.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/msg/6c67c95cf7ed423d
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/msg/4ea00b9321f00173
isn't that quite a long time ago? lol) condemns SOUNDLY us men and
woman
have premarital sex. The punishment? DEATH! So, the STONE and
BRONZE
aged Jews claimed that God told them that DEATH was the appropriate
sentence for MEN & WOMEN who "fornicated."
None of you bigots really understand the bible. You just use it as
a
hammering tool, a weapon against those you hate.
Your unprepossessing rants suit you, judy....
I'm afraid it is you that does not understand the bible. Yes before
Christ, death was the appropriate sentence for that kind of stuff, but
not in this dispensation. That now is a matter for God to judge not
you.
I suggest that you stick your nose in bible class before you ever make
an attempt to writing a homosexual, because all you are doing is
irritating them and not accomplishing anything.
I'll never understand why people love getting into word fights about
stupid little silly issues, unless they get some ___ pleasure out of
it.
Sort of like your silly assertion that homosexuality is a sin?
How do you
get that idea considering there was no word for homosexual or
homosexuality
in either Hebrew and Greek, the languages the books of the bible were
originally written in. The Old Testament does not mention the SIN of
homosexuality and neither does the New Testament.
Sin is not the issue when your telling people to believe in Jesus
Christ
and sin is not the issue when it comes to living the spirtual life.
The
issues are.
1. What do you think of Jesus Christ
and
2. What are you going to do to solve the problem of sin in your life.
Study the word of God on a daily basis after you believe in Jesus
Christ and let God deal with the homosexual as God sees fit.
It's obvious you're kinder than most but you're still way off base. The
bible is NOT the "word of God" because God doesn't author confusion,
contradictions and errors. Within the pages of a VERY human written book is
the message of salvation through Jesus but, again, the book is NOT written
by God through humans. It's a human response to God, many of which are
erroneous. Thus, trying to use the bible to dictate religious morality is a
mine field. For instance, the ancient Jews told us that God told them to
annihilate villages and kill everybody but virgins. They took these virgins
(according to God's supposed will) as wives and concubine giving them
FREAKING 30 days in which to morning the MURDERED relatives. THIS IS MORAL?
So, despite the fact that you're gentle in spirit, you're way off the mark
still.
.
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| User: "mrsil96" |
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| Title: Re: homosexuals and bible revisionism |
01 Jun 2007 01:33:14 PM |
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On Jun 1, 10:37 am, "Jude__Alexander" <c...@thebayou.louisiana> wrote:
"mrsil96" <mrsi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1180707552.396222.229730@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On May 28, 7:41 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>
wrote:
mrsil96 wrote:
Hi Bob and Carol:
Interesting post ... so much so I just had to find out where you
got it from:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/9985ee2...
On May 24, 9:24 am, bob&carole <bobandcarole1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On May 23, 7:24?pm, "Jude__Alexander" <c...@thebayou.louisiana>
wrote:
Your opinion on the bible is, as it always has been, completely
worthless.
As is your existence...so what?
Not a really good idea to tell someone who are trying to witness to
that their
existence is a sorry one.
You are a bible revisionist/denier and a known liar, your endless
attempts at debunking the bible has only served to show just how
cretinous you really are, it's not just the verses in Leviticus
that
condemn homosexuality, there are many other verses that condemn it
as
well, but hey, don't let a few facts get in the way of you trip to
a
burning lake of fire and brimstone.
Hey, didn't you tell me you weren't "religious" but here you are
indirectly claiming understanding of the bible more than Jaye.
When your dealing with a homosexual and you want to approach him about
the bible, keep his private life and what he is doing out of the
equation. When you're trying to tell someone about Jesus Christ sin
is not the issue, the issue is what do you think about Christ. Tell a
homosexual that the bible says that all they have to do is believe in
Jesus Christ, they will get to heaven ... trust me THEY WILL BE
IMPRESSED!
mis-judging and dozen or so other things. Bigots use the word
"abomination"
like it is something SPECIAL in the bible! lol
Don't forget also that the bible (written by STONE and BRONZE aged
Jews
---
So you're an antisemite?
That figures.
Look writing garbage like this making an issue about someone's sin
does nothing but causes problems ... and yet it could lead to a anti-
Semitic movement that you will be responsible for.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/msg/6c67c95cf7ed423d
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/msg/4ea00b9321f00173
isn't that quite a long time ago? lol) condemns SOUNDLY us men and
woman
have premarital sex. The punishment? DEATH! So, the STONE and
BRONZE
aged Jews claimed that God told them that DEATH was the appropriate
sentence for MEN & WOMEN who "fornicated."
None of you bigots really understand the bible. You just use it as
a
hammering tool, a weapon against those you hate.
Your unprepossessing rants suit you, judy....
I'm afraid it is you that does not understand the bible. Yes before
Christ, death was the appropriate sentence for that kind of stuff, but
not in this dispensation. That now is a matter for God to judge not
you.
I suggest that you stick your nose in bible class before you ever make
an attempt to writing a homosexual, because all you are doing is
irritating them and not accomplishing anything.
I'll never understand why people love getting into word fights about
stupid little silly issues, unless they get some ___ pleasure out of
it.
Sort of like your silly assertion that homosexuality is a sin?
How do you
get that idea considering there was no word for homosexual or
homosexuality
in either Hebrew and Greek, the languages the books of the bible were
originally written in. The Old Testament does not mention the SIN of
homosexuality and neither does the New Testament.
Sin is not the issue when your telling people to believe in Jesus
Christ
and sin is not the issue when it comes to living the spirtual life.
The
issues are.
1. What do you think of Jesus Christ
and
2. What are you going to do to solve the problem of sin in your life.
Study the word of God on a daily basis after you believe in Jesus
Christ and let God deal with the homosexual as God sees fit.
It's obvious you're kinder than most but you're still way off base.
Do you believe in Jesus Christ?
The
bible is NOT the "word of God" because God doesn't author confusion,
contradictions and errors.
Then I suggest you study under someone who know the orginal text,
for the orginal text does not have any confusion, does not contradict
itself
nor has any errors.
Within the pages of a VERY human written book is
the message of salvation through Jesus but, again, the book is NOT written
by God through humans.
I would say that God wrote the first 5 books with his finger and gave
them
to Moses.
It's a human response to God, many of which are
erroneous. Thus, trying to use the bible to dictate religious morality is a
mine field. For instance, the ancient Jews told us that God told them to
annihilate villages and kill everybody but virgins. They took these virgins
(according to God's supposed will) as wives and concubine giving them
FREAKING 30 days in which to morning the MURDERED relatives. THIS IS MORAL?
Give me the passage.
So, despite the fact that you're gentle in spirit, you're way off the mark
still.
No I'm not ... but Do you believe in Jesus Christ?
.
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| User: "Jude***Alexander" |
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| Title: Re: homosexuals and bible revisionism |
01 Jun 2007 09:48:29 PM |
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"mrsil96" <mrsil96@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1180722794.401064.248810@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 1, 10:37 am, "Jude__Alexander" <c...@thebayou.louisiana> wrote:
"mrsil96" <mrsi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1180707552.396222.229730@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On May 28, 7:41 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>
wrote:
mrsil96 wrote:
Hi Bob and Carol:
Interesting post ... so much so I just had to find out where you
got it from:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/9985ee2...
On May 24, 9:24 am, bob&carole <bobandcarole1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On May 23, 7:24?pm, "Jude__Alexander" <c...@thebayou.louisiana>
wrote:
Your opinion on the bible is, as it always has been, completely
worthless.
As is your existence...so what?
Not a really good idea to tell someone who are trying to witness to
that their
existence is a sorry one.
You are a bible revisionist/denier and a known liar, your
endless
attempts at debunking the bible has only served to show just
how
cretinous you really are, it's not just the verses in Leviticus
that
condemn homosexuality, there are many other verses that condemn
it
as
well, but hey, don't let a few facts get in the way of you trip
to
a
burning lake of fire and brimstone.
Hey, didn't you tell me you weren't "religious" but here you are
indirectly claiming understanding of the bible more than Jaye.
When your dealing with a homosexual and you want to approach him
about
the bible, keep his private life and what he is doing out of the
equation. When you're trying to tell someone about Jesus Christ sin
is not the issue, the issue is what do you think about Christ. Tell
a
homosexual that the bible says that all they have to do is believe
in
Jesus Christ, they will get to heaven ... trust me THEY WILL BE
IMPRESSED!
mis-judging and dozen or so other things. Bigots use the word
"abomination"
like it is something SPECIAL in the bible! lol
Don't forget also that the bible (written by STONE and BRONZE
aged
Jews
---
So you're an antisemite?
That figures.
Look writing garbage like this making an issue about someone's sin
does nothing but causes problems ... and yet it could lead to a
anti-
Semitic movement that you will be responsible for.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/msg/6c67c95cf7ed423d
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/msg/4ea00b9321f00173
isn't that quite a long time ago? lol) condemns SOUNDLY us men
and
woman
have premarital sex. The punishment? DEATH! So, the STONE and
BRONZE
aged Jews claimed that God told them that DEATH was the
appropriate
sentence for MEN & WOMEN who "fornicated."
None of you bigots really understand the bible. You just use it
as
a
hammering tool, a weapon against those you hate.
Your unprepossessing rants suit you, judy....
I'm afraid it is you that does not understand the bible. Yes before
Christ, death was the appropriate sentence for that kind of stuff,
but
not in this dispensation. That now is a matter for God to judge not
you.
I suggest that you stick your nose in bible class before you ever
make
an attempt to writing a homosexual, because all you are doing is
irritating them and not accomplishing anything.
I'll never understand why people love getting into word fights about
stupid little silly issues, unless they get some ___ pleasure out of
it.
Sort of like your silly assertion that homosexuality is a sin?
How do you
get that idea considering there was no word for homosexual or
homosexuality
in either Hebrew and Greek, the languages the books of the bible were
originally written in. The Old Testament does not mention the SIN of
homosexuality and neither does the New Testament.
Sin is not the issue when your telling people to believe in Jesus
Christ
and sin is not the issue when it comes to living the spirtual life.
The
issues are.
1. What do you think of Jesus Christ
and
2. What are you going to do to solve the problem of sin in your life.
Study the word of God on a daily basis after you believe in Jesus
Christ and let God deal with the homosexual as God sees fit.
It's obvious you're kinder than most but you're still way off base.
Do you believe in Jesus Christ?
Yes.
The
bible is NOT the "word of God" because God doesn't author confusion,
contradictions and errors.
Then I suggest you study under someone who know the orginal text,
for the orginal text does not have any confusion, does not contradict
itself
nor has any errors.
Do you understand how absurd that statement is? There are NO originals!
lol Do you meant the LATEST copies that exist? I'm no biblical scholar but
I have studied the bible as much as or more than the vast majority of
believers. There ARE many errors. Do you understand how the numering
system goes? 70 doesn't change into 700 unless there's a mistake.
I was gentle with my post using only numerical mistakes. The bible depicts
God as being of TWO quite different natures from the Old Testament God who,
in the perception of stone and bronze aged men, was hands on with ALL
geological events and when lightning hit something, it was God's judgment.
There are so many mistakes in the bible, I hardly know where to start.
God sanctioned slavery according to the stone and bronzed aged Jews. In
fact, acacording to these guys, God gave TWO different set of rules for
Jewish slaves and non-Jewish slaves. God shows favorites and hates certain
people, NOT their sin. For God so loved THE WORLD (meaning EVERYBODY) that
he gave His own begotten son doesn't jive in the least.
I know you'll probably be like every other zombie Fundie and have your list
of lame excuses. I QUIT giving excuses for the non-excusable. I still
believe in God and in Jesus but I KNOW the bible is RIDDLED with errors.
Within the pages of a VERY human written book is
the message of salvation through Jesus but, again, the book is NOT
written
by God through humans.
I would say that God wrote the first 5 books with his finger and gave
them
to Moses.
That is the pat answer for a believer to reply who has been iniated into
Fundamentalism. I used to give it too so you see I understand. The truth
is you don't think for yourself. You are ruled by dogma and the fear that
you don't believe in certain dogma you'll be damned. You're in a fix.
It's a human response to God, many of which are
erroneous. Thus, trying to use the bible to dictate religious morality
is a
mine field. For instance, the ancient Jews told us that God told them to
annihilate villages and kill everybody but virgins. They took these
virgins
(according to God's supposed will) as wives and concubine giving them
FREAKING 30 days in which to morning the MURDERED relatives. THIS IS
MORAL?
Give me the passage.
You don't know? ;) You think I'm mis-reading? You think I'm lying?
Whatever... and, okay, I'll post it. I'll back up EVERYTHING I say. In
fact, I'll give you more than you EVER wanted to be given probably.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Deuteronomy, Chapter 20
"10": When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim
peace unto it. "11": And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and
open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein
shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. "12": And if it
will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou
shalt besiege it: "13": And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into
thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:
"14": But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in
the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou
shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given
thee. "15": Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off
from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations. "16": But of the
cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an
inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: "17": But thou
shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the
Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD
thy God hath commanded thee:
(The people are given a chance to serve them otherwise they all die and the
women, children and spoils go the victor. While the men were to be killed,
the women became slaves. It is up to the individual whether which fate was
the worst: to die or live in one type servitude or another for possibly the
rest of your life. However, women weren't always taken as slaves, wives or
concubines. Sometimes, women and children are to be killed along with their
men relatives
and neighbors.)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Deuteronomy, Chapter 21
"11": And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto
her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; "12": Then thou shalt bring
her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;
"13": And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall
remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month:
and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall
be thy wife. "14": And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then
thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all
for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled
her.
(If a man sees a captive woman he deemed beautiful and wants to take her for
a wife, he is allowed after letting her mourn her murdered family for a
mouth. If after marriage, the man doesn't want her anymore, she can be set
free. Because he "humbled" her, he cannot make money off the sale of her.)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Judges, Chapter 21
10 The congregation of Benjamin sent twelve thousand of their bravest men,
and commanded them, "Go and smite the inhabitants of Ja'-besh-gil'ead with
the edge of the sword; also the women and the little ones. Every male and
every wwoman that has lain with a male YOU SHALL UTTERLY DESTROY.
And they found among the inhabitants four hundred YOUNG VIRGINS who had not
known a man by lying with him; and they brought them to the camp of Shiloh,
which is the land of Canaan. And Benjamin returned at that time, and they
gave them the women whom they had saved alive of the women of
Ja'besh-gil'ead, but they did not suffice for them.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Numbers, Chapter 31
1": And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, "2": Avenge the children of
Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.
"3": And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto
the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of
Midian. "4": Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel,
shall ye send to the war. "5": So there were delivered out of the thousands
of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war. "6":
And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas
the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and
the trumpets to blow in his hand. "7": And they warred against the
Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. "8":
And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain;
namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian:
Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. "9": And the children
of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and
took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their
goods. "10": And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all
their goodly castles, with fire. "11": And they took all the spoil, and all
the prey, both of men and of beasts. "12": And they brought the captives,
and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto
the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of
Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho. "13": And Moses, and Eleazar the
priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them
without the camp. "14": And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host,
with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came
from the battle. "15": And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women
alive? "16": Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the
counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of
Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. "17": Now
therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that
hath known man by lying with him. "18": But all the women children, that
have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
(32,000 virgin women and children were allowed to live.)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Exodus, Chapter 21
"7": And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go
out as the menservants do. "8": If she please not her master, who hath
betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her
unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt
deceitfully with her. "9": And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he
shall deal with her after the manner of daughters. "10": If he take him
another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not
diminish. "11": And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out
free without money.
(One can see the daughter's view and feelings mattered quite a bit here.
What kind of "family values" are we being taught?)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Leviticus, Chapter 19
"20-21": And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid,
betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she
shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free.
And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord, unto the door of the
tabernacle of the congregation, even a ram for a trespass offering"
(If a man rapes or has consensual sex with his female slave, the woman gets
punished and the man's sins are forgiven as a "trespass" offering. :) One
can ONLY trespass the PROPERTY of another. True consent is questionable
between owner and bondmaid (slave).
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Deuteronomy, Chapter 22
"28": If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and
lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; "29": Then the man
that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of
silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not
put her away all his days.
(If a woman is raped, her father is due 50 shekels of silver as penalty.
Add injury to injury, she is forced to become the wife of her rapist. To
believe that laws such as these leads us in morality is to be totally
ignorant of morality. It is evident that these laws didn't come from any
moral ground given by God, but rather God perceived "word" was the
projection of men's desire to maintain the property rights of their wives
and daughters. This law further recognizes that an unmarried, a non-virgin
no longer serves as an economically valuable asset for her father. In
today's economy , 1 Shekel is worth around $5.00 so 50 Shekels equal about
$250.00.)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Exodus, Chapter 20
"17": Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy
neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor
his *****, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
(Let's not forget one of the "10" commandments (elsewhere they are listed as
about 12 or 15 commandments depending how you read the text). This is
CLEARLY a "male" God talking to men because you're told to not covet you
neighbor's house, his wife, his male or female slave, his ox, his ***** or
anything else that is your neighbor's. The sexism of the stone and bronze
aged men was projected onto their understanding of God.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
There's much more but I think the message is clear. But is it? If you're
typical you'll find some reason to dismiss everything listed. I've been
doing this for years, buddy, and have seen all the tap dancing and extensive
art of denial of many kinds. If you're as honest as you are gentle in
spirit, then you've made your first step out of the dregs of fundamentalism.
One can stay maintain all their basic believes, but it is no longer truly
and honestly right to keep claiming the bible is the "inerrant" "word of
God."
If all I get from you is cut and paste jobs from biblical apologists, save
your time. I've posted these errors and literally thousand more and I
really don't think I've not heard the same old denials.
(snipped redundant question about my faith)
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| User: "mrsil96" |
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| Title: Re: homosexuals and bible revisionism |
02 Jun 2007 12:49:47 AM |
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On Jun 1, 10:37 am, "Jude__Alexander" <c...@thebayou.louisiana> wrote:
"mrsil96" <mrsi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1180707552.396222.229730@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On May 28, 7:41 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>
wrote:
mrsil96 wrote:
Hi Bob and Carol:
Interesting post ... so much so I just had to find out where you
got it from:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/9985ee2...
On May 24, 9:24 am, bob&carole <bobandcarole1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On May 23, 7:24?pm, "Jude__Alexander" <c...@thebayou.louisiana>
wrote:
Your opinion on the bible is, as it always has been, completely
worthless.
As is your existence...so what?
Not a really good idea to tell someone who are trying to witness to
that their
existence is a sorry one.
You are a bible revisionist/denier and a known liar, your
endless
attempts at debunking the bible has only served to show just
how
cretinous you really are, it's not just the verses in Leviticus
that
condemn homosexuality, there are many other verses that condemn
it
as
well, but hey, don't let a few facts get in the way of you trip
to
a
burning lake of fire and brimstone.
Hey, didn't you tell me you weren't "religious" but here you are
indirectly claiming understanding of the bible more than Jaye.
When your dealing with a homosexual and you want to approach him
about
the bible, keep his private life and what he is doing out of the
equation. When you're trying to tell someone about Jesus Christ sin
is not the issue, the issue is what do you think about Christ. Tell
a
homosexual that the bible says that all they have to do is believe
in
Jesus Christ, they will get to heaven ... trust me THEY WILL BE
IMPRESSED!
mis-judging and dozen or so other things. Bigots use the word
"abomination"
like it is something SPECIAL in the bible! lol
Don't forget also that the bible (written by STONE and BRONZE
aged
Jews
---
So you're an antisemite?
That figures.
Look writing garbage like this making an issue about someone's sin
does nothing but causes problems ... and yet it could lead to a
anti-
Semitic movement that you will be responsible for.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/msg/6c67c95cf7ed423d
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/msg/4ea00b9321f00173
isn't that quite a long time ago? lol) condemns SOUNDLY us men
and
woman
have premarital sex. The punishment? DEATH! So, the STONE and
BRONZE
aged Jews claimed that God told them that DEATH was the
appropriate
sentence for MEN & WOMEN who "fornicated."
None of you bigots really understand the bible. You just use it
as
a
hammering tool, a weapon against those you hate.
Your unprepossessing rants suit you, judy....
I'm afraid it is you that does not understand the bible. Yes before
Christ, death was the appropriate sentence for that kind of stuff,
but
not in this dispensation. That now is a matter for God to judge not
you.
I suggest that you stick your nose in bible class before you ever
make
an attempt to writing a homosexual, because all you are doing is
irritating them and not accomplishing anything.
I'll never understand why people love getting into word fights about
stupid little silly issues, unless they get some ___ pleasure out of
it.
Sort of like your silly assertion that homosexuality is a sin?
How do you
get that idea considering there was no word for homosexual or
homosexuality
in either Hebrew and Greek, the languages the books of the bible were
originally written in. The Old Testament does not mention the SIN of
homosexuality and neither does the New Testament.
Sin is not the issue when your telling people to believe in Jesus
Christ
and sin is not the issue when it comes to living the spirtual life.
The
issues are.
1. What do you think of Jesus Christ
and
2. What are you going to do to solve the problem of sin in your life.
Study the word of God on a daily basis after you believe in Jesus
Christ and let God deal with the homosexual as God sees fit.
It's obvious you're kinder than most but you're still way off base.
Do you believe in Jesus Christ?
Yes.
The
bible is NOT the "word of God" because God doesn't author confusion,
contradictions and errors.
Then I suggest you study under someone who know the orginal text,
for the orginal text does not have any confusion, does not contradict
itself
nor has any errors.
Do you understand how absurd that statement is?
NO
There are NO originals!
Yes there is ... the bible was written in Hebrew and C - Greek.
lol Do you meant the LATEST copies that exist? I'm no biblical scholar but
I have studied the bible as much as or more than the vast majority of
believers.
You claim not to be a bibical scholar and it takes a bibical scholar
to
teach one the meaning of the word of God from the orginal text. My
pastor is a bibical scholar.
Most pastors are not today.
There ARE many errors. Do you understand how the numering
system goes? 70 doesn't change into 700 unless there's a mistake.
There are NO MISTAKES in the orginal text of the Hebrew and C - Greek.
I was gentle with my post using only numerical mistakes. The bible depicts
God as being of TWO quite different natures from the Old Testament God who,
in the perception of stone and bronze aged men, was hands on with ALL
geological events and when lightning hit something, it was God's judgment.
There are so many mistakes in the bible, I hardly know where to start.
God sanctioned slavery according to the stone and bronzed aged Jews. In
fact, acacording to these guys, God gave TWO different set of rules for
Jewish slaves and non-Jewish slaves. God shows favorites and hates certain
people, NOT their sin. For God so loved THE WORLD (meaning EVERYBODY) that
he gave His own begotten son doesn't jive in the least.
I know you'll probably be like every other zombie Fundie and have your list
of lame excuses. I QUIT giving excuses for the non-excusable. I still
believe in God and in Jesus but I KNOW the bible is RIDDLED with errors.
It sounds like your studying the bible on your own and you can't get
the meaning of what the bible says on your own without a pastor
teaching
you. It is impossible.
Within the pages of a VERY human written book is
the message of salvation through Jesus but, again, the book is NOT
written
by God through humans.
I would say that God wrote the first 5 books with his finger and gave
them
to Moses.
That is the pat answer for a believer to reply who has been iniated into
Fundamentalism. I used to give it too so you see I understand. The truth
is you don't think for yourself. You are ruled by dogma and the fear that
you don't believe in certain dogma you'll be damned. You're in a fix.
No. I've been taught how to use the bible to solve my problems and
when
you see the word of God get you out of a lot a jams to where it fixes
all of
your problems, it is then and only then do you begin to see that what
you
are being taught is the truth.
It's a human response to God, many of which are
erroneous. Thus, trying to use the bible to dictate religious morality
is a
mine field. For instance, the ancient Jews told us that God told them to
annihilate villages and kill everybody but virgins. They took these
virgins
(according to God's supposed will) as wives and concubine giving them
FREAKING 30 days in which to morning the MURDERED relatives. THIS IS
MORAL?
Give me the passage.
You don't know? ;) You think I'm mis-reading? You think I'm lying?
Whatever... and, okay, I'll post it. I'll back up EVERYTHING I say. In
fact, I'll give you more than you EVER wanted to be given probably.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Deuteronomy, Chapter 20
"10": When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim
peace unto it. "11": And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and
open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein
shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. "12": And if it
will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou
shalt besiege it: "13": And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into
thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:
"14": But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in
the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou
shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given
thee. "15": Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off
from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations. "16": But of the
cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an
inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: "17": But thou
shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the
Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD
thy God hath commanded thee:
(The people are given a chance to serve them otherwise they all die and the
women, children and spoils go the victor. While the men were to be killed,
the women became slaves. It is up to the individual whether which fate was
the worst: to die or live in one type servitude or another for possibly the
rest of your life. However, women weren't always taken as slaves, wives or
concubines. Sometimes, women and children are to be killed along with their
men relatives
and neighbors.)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Deuteronomy, Chapter 21
"11": And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto
her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; "12": Then ...
If men in a country were sacrificing their children, women and
prisoners of war, which means they where burning them alive as
offerings to their gods, you think that would hold just cause for GOD
to command that these men are to be killed?
Go watch the movie Apocalypto
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472043/
Then you tell me with a clear conscious that the people who took
Jaguar Paw and his tribe captive, you would have a problem with
following GODs orders, because that is why he gave them.
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| Title: Re: homosexuals and bible revisionism |
02 Jun 2007 08:32:35 AM |
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"mrsil96" <mrsil96@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1180763387.442439.314680@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 1, 10:37 am, "Jude__Alexander" <c...@thebayou.louisiana> wrote:
"mrsil96" <mrsi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1180707552.396222.229730@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On May 28, 7:41 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>
wrote:
mrsil96 wrote:
Hi Bob and Carol:
Interesting post ... so much so I just had to find out where you
got it from:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/9985ee2...
On May 24, 9:24 am, bob&carole <bobandcarole1...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On May 23, 7:24?pm, "Jude__Alexander" <c...@thebayou.louisiana>
wrote:
Your opinion on the bible is, as it always has been,
completely
worthless.
As is your existence...so what?
Not a really good idea to tell someone who are trying to witness
to
that their
existence is a sorry one.
You are a bible revisionist/denier and a known liar, your
endless
attempts at debunking the bible has only served to show just
how
cretinous you really are, it's not just the verses in
Leviticus
that
condemn homosexuality, there are many other verses that
condemn
it
as
well, but hey, don't let a few facts get in the way of you
trip
to
a
burning lake of fire and brimstone.
Hey, didn't you tell me you weren't "religious" but here you
are
indirectly claiming understanding of the bible more than Jaye.
When your dealing with a homosexual and you want to approach him
about
the bible, keep his private life and what he is doing out of the
equation. When you're trying to tell someone about Jesus Christ
sin
is not the issue, the issue is what do you think about Christ.
Tell
a
homosexual that the bible says that all they have to do is
believe
in
Jesus Christ, they will get to heaven ... trust me THEY WILL BE
IMPRESSED!
mis-judging and dozen or so other things. Bigots use the word
"abomination"
like it is something SPECIAL in the bible! lol
Don't forget also that the bible (written by STONE and BRONZE
aged
Jews
---
So you're an antisemite?
That figures.
Look writing garbage like this making an issue about someone's
sin
does nothing but causes problems ... and yet it could lead to a
anti-
Semitic movement that you will be responsible for.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/msg/6c67c95cf7ed423d
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/msg/4ea00b9321f00173
isn't that quite a long time ago? lol) condemns SOUNDLY us
men
and
woman
have premarital sex. The punishment? DEATH! So, the STONE
and
BRONZE
aged Jews claimed that God told them that DEATH was the
appropriate
sentence for MEN & WOMEN who "fornicated."
None of you bigots really understand the bible. You just use
it
as
a
hammering tool, a weapon against those you hate.
Your unprepossessing rants suit you, judy....
I'm afraid it is you that does not understand the bible. Yes
before
Christ, death was the appropriate sentence for that kind of
stuff,
but
not in this dispensation. That now is a matter for God to judge
not
you.
I suggest that you stick your nose in bible class before you ever
make
an attempt to writing a homosexual, because all you are doing is
irritating them and not accomplishing anything.
I'll never understand why people love getting into word fights
about
stupid little silly issues, unless they get some ___ pleasure out
of
it.
Sort of like your silly assertion that homosexuality is a sin?
How do you
get that idea considering there was no word for homosexual or
homosexuality
in either Hebrew and Greek, the languages the books of the bible
were
originally written in. The Old Testament does not mention the SIN
of
homosexuality and neither does the New Testament.
Sin is not the issue when your telling people to believe in Jesus
Christ
and sin is not the issue when it comes to living the spirtual life.
The
issues are.
1. What do you think of Jesus Christ
and
2. What are you going to do to solve the problem of sin in your
life.
Study the word of God on a daily basis after you believe in Jesus
Christ and let God deal with the homosexual as God sees fit.
It's obvious you're kinder than most but you're still way off base.
Do you believe in Jesus Christ?
Yes.
The
bible is NOT the "word of God" because God doesn't author confusion,
contradictions and errors.
Then I suggest you study under someone who know the orginal text,
for the orginal text does not have any confusion, does not contradict
itself
nor has any errors.
Do you understand how absurd that statement is?
NO
There are NO originals!
Yes there is ... the bible was written in Hebrew and C - Greek.
NO, there are NO originals, pal. They are ALL copies of copies. DUH They
began to write the OT around 5/7 thousand years ago and the NT around 2
thousand years ago. They're copies of copies of copies of copies, etc.
And, I KNOW the "bible" was written in Hebrew and KOINE Greek.
lol Do you meant the LATEST copies that exist? I'm no biblical scholar
but
I have studied the bible as much as or more than the vast majority of
believers.
You claim not to be a bibical scholar and it takes a bibical scholar
to
teach one the meaning of the word of God from the orginal text. My
pastor is a bibical scholar.
Typical response from a Fundie. ONLY biblical scholars can teach the "word
of God." It's laughable AND, frankly, pathetic. The biblical scholars
disagree with one another on many passages in the bible and what they mean.
When I post all the errors in the bible I do so from a CHRISTIAN SITE which
gives the K. Greek and Hebrew text, definitions of words (choices of
definitions to pick from), the root of the word and it's close associative
words. It's called the Blue Letter Bible.
Most pastors are not today.
There ARE many errors. Do you understand how the numering
system goes? 70 doesn't change into 700 unless there's a mistake.
There are NO MISTAKES in the orginal text of the Hebrew and C - Greek.
Easy to say since there are NO originals around! Same old lame excuse. You
see how one can show you a mistake and all you have to do is say "Well, the
originals had no mistakes." Fundies have plenty of ways in which to use
this form of denial.
I was gentle with my post using only numerical mistakes. The bible
depicts
God as being of TWO quite different natures from the Old Testament God
who,
in the perception of stone and bronze aged men, was hands on with ALL
geological events and when lightning hit something, it was God's
judgment.
There are so many mistakes in the bible, I hardly know where to start.
God sanctioned slavery according to the stone and bronzed aged Jews. In
fact, acacording to these guys, God gave TWO different set of rules for
Jewish slaves and non-Jewish slaves. God shows favorites and hates
certain
people, NOT their sin. For God so loved THE WORLD (meaning EVERYBODY)
that
he gave His own begotten son doesn't jive in the least.
I know you'll probably be like every other zombie Fundie and have your
list
of lame excuses. I QUIT giving excuses for the non-excusable. I still
believe in God and in Jesus but I KNOW the bible is RIDDLED with errors.
It sounds like your studying the bible on your own and you can't get
the meaning of what the bible says on your own without a pastor
teaching
you. It is impossible.
You're a puppet and seem to like that status. You just overlook AN OBVIOUS
contradiction. God is said to have HATED Esau. He hated others in the
writings of the OT. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING A BIBLICAL SCHOLAR!
Then, in the NT, we're told that God LOVES THE WORLD AND EVERYBODY IN IT!
THAT is a contradiction. God hated Esau for one, and it's CLEAR from the
biblical text that EVERYBODY has available. There is not translational
problem with the words "hate" and "loved the WHOLE world."
ages of a VERY human written book is
the message of salvation through Jesus but, again, the book is NOT
written
by God through humans.
I would say that God wrote the first 5 books with his finger and gave
them
to Moses.
That is the pat answer for a believer to reply who has been iniated into
Fundamentalism. I used to give it too so you see I understand. The
truth
is you don't think for yourself. You are ruled by dogma and the fear
that
you don't believe in certain dogma you'll be damned. You're in a fix.
No. I've been taught how to use the bible to solve my problems and
when
you see the word of God get you out of a lot a jams to where it fixes
all of
your problems, it is then and only then do you begin to see that what
you
are being taught is the truth.
You're been taught. EXACTLY. You're a puppet and you just say your puppet
respones. You don't, won't and can't think for yourself and just read the
freaking text. Don't make excuses. THAT makes YOU a liar.
's a human response to God, many of which are
erroneous. Thus, trying to use the bible to dictate religious
morality
is a
mine field. For instance, the ancient Jews told us that God told them
to
annihilate villages and kill everybody but virgins. They took these
virgins
(according to God's supposed will) as wives and concubine giving them
FREAKING 30 days in which to morning the MURDERED relatives. THIS IS
MORAL?
Give me the passage.
You don't know? ;) You think I'm mis-reading? You think I'm lying?
Whatever... and, okay, I'll post it. I'll back up EVERYTHING I say. In
fact, I'll give you more than you EVER wanted to be given probably.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Deuteronomy, Chapter 20
"10": When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then
proclaim
peace unto it. "11": And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace,
and
open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found
therein
shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. "12": And if
it
will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou
shalt besiege it: "13": And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into
thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the
sword:
"14": But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is
in
the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and
thou
shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given
thee. "15": Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off
from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations. "16": But of the
cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an
inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: "17": But thou
shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the
Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the
LORD
thy God hath commanded thee:
(The people are given a chance to serve them otherwise they all die and
the
women, children and spoils go the victor. While the men were to be
killed,
the women became slaves. It is up to the individual whether which fate
was
the worst: to die or live in one type servitude or another for possibly
the
rest of your life. However, women weren't always taken as slaves, wives
or
concubines. Sometimes, women and children are to be killed along with
their
men relatives
and neighbors.)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Deuteronomy, Chapter 21
"11": And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire
unto
her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; "12": Then ...
If men in a country were sacrificing their children, women and
prisoners of war, which means they where burning them alive as
offerings to their gods, you think that would hold just cause for GOD
to command that these men are to be killed?
Go watch the movie Apocalypto
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472043/
Then you tell me with a clear conscious that the people who took
Jaguar Paw and his tribe captive, you would have a problem with
following GODs orders, because that is why he gave them.
Well, your sickness has been shown. Too bad because I see that you're not
brutish in your interactions with others. What you JUST did was cut ALL
that you don't want to consider and then take ONE of the pasted verses and
tell me to go watch a MOVIE!!! Go watch a MOVIE! Get it? If you can't see
you abilility to cope and that you've MASSIVELY started running in circles
saying the sky is falling.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: homosexuals and bible revisionism |
02 Jun 2007 07:39:42 AM |
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In News Vrd8i.8158$FN5.2829@bignews7.bellsouth.net,, Jude***Alexander at
cajun@thebayou.louisiana, typed this:
"mrsil96" <mrsil96@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1180763387.442439.314680@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 1, 10:37 am, "Jude__Alexander" <c...@thebayou.louisiana>
wrote:
"mrsil96" <mrsi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1180707552.396222.229730@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On May 28, 7:41 pm, Darrell Stec
<darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com> wrote:
mrsil96 wrote:
Hi Bob and Carol:
Interesting post ... so much so I just had to find out where
you got it from:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/9985ee2...
On May 24, 9:24 am, bob&carole <bobandcarole1...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On May 23, 7:24?pm, "Jude__Alexander"
<c...@thebayou.louisiana> wrote:
Your opinion on the bible is, as it always has been,
completely
worthless.
As is your existence...so what?
Not a really good idea to tell someone who are trying to
witness to
that their
existence is a sorry one.
You are a bible revisionist/denier and a known liar, your
endless
attempts at debunking the bible has only served to show just
how
cretinous you really are, it's not just the verses in
Leviticus
that
condemn homosexuality, there are many other verses that
condemn
it
as
well, but hey, don't let a few facts get in the way of you
trip
to
a
burning lake of fire and brimstone.
Hey, didn't you tell me you weren't "religious" but here you
are
indirectly claiming understanding of the bible more than
Jaye.
When your dealing with a homosexual and you want to approach
him about
the bible, keep his private life and what he is doing out of
the equation. When you're trying to tell someone about Jesus
Christ sin
is not the issue, the issue is what do you think about Christ.
Tell
a
homosexual that the bible says that all they have to do is
believe
in
Jesus Christ, they will get to heaven ... trust me THEY WILL BE
IMPRESSED!
mis-judging and dozen or so other things. Bigots use the
word "abomination"
like it is something SPECIAL in the bible! lol
Don't forget also that the bible (written by STONE and BRONZE
aged
Jews
---
So you're an antisemite?
That figures.
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