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Jesus is the way out. No other!!!
For you, for you.
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Jesus is the way out. No other!!!
For you, for you.
Are you into truisms? Of course Jesus is the way out of cynicism,
paranoia and despair for me and all Christians, and our churches are our
hospitals for sinners.
Tell us about your alternatives. Is your answer perhaps an expensive
psychiatrist and lots of psychotropic anti-depressant drugs, which turn you
into a stoned Zombie? LOL
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1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God
is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
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Bleak, yes, but I don't have to put G-d on trial, as did some medieval
Jewish sages after one particularly vicious pogrom. Nor do I have crises
of
faith when some other atrocity happens. I don't have to lose my faith as
did many Holocaust survivors. The Nazis weren't only murderers and
torturers, they were spiritual thieves. Ditto those who did Stalin's
bidding.
This is what I mean. The Jews wrote the book (literally) on massacres
and genocide on a most massive scale depopulating the entire country of what
became Israel, leaving only little girls alive "to do with as you please".
Yet Jews are surprised that this same fate should befall them, who always
had fancied themselves to be God's favourites, and justified to do unto
others what they would not have wanted done unto themselves. You will find
the numbers of Jews killed during WW2 roughly equivalent to the number of
people they killed to "possess the promised land". Did they find poetic
justice, or did they?
Christ said that those living by the sword shall perish by the sword.
So I hope I've answered your question somewhat. My answers are not your
answers, any more than yours are mine. But I have a spiritual path that
gives me peace, requires no artificial substances, and allows me to
outgrow
adolescent angst and cynicism.
We would have much to discuss, for I came also from an atheist family,
and academic secular humanist one. After investigating psycho-therapy and
rejecting it, I also was enraptured by Zen-Buddhism. *Zen and the Art of
Archery* was my wake-up call to spiritual philosophy etc. etc.
I have problems with your bias. You remind me of the patriots screaming
"my country right or wrong" at anti war-protesters. We are all made in God's
image, and as long as you think one of "God's image" is inferior to another
for cosmetic or ideological reasons, and therefore has rights the other does
not etc., even indefinitely as Dispensationalists believe, we cannot discuss
the finer points of religion.
--
Pastor Frank
"DISPENSATIONALISM IMPACTING U.S. FOREIGN POLICY"
By Tom Valentine
Published in THE SPOTLIGHT national newspaper
During the 19th century, long after the birth of Christ, a former
con-man came up with his own twist on the teachings of the Bible that is
taught by some people virtually as "scripture." It is having a major impact
on the world today, particularly U.S. policy in the Mideast.
This peculiar philosophy, known as "dispensationalism" is political, and
most emphatically not biblical. Yet many Christians in America consider it
"gospel." It states, that since YHWH gave Palestine to the Jews, whatever
the Jews do to the Palestinian natives to take the land, then and now, is
"God's will" and must be supported.
A courageous author who has investigated this bizarre phenomenon was
the guest on the Jan. 15 broadcast of The SPOTLIGHT's weekly call-in talk
forum, Radio Free America, with host Tom Valentine.
The guest, Grace Halsell, a veteran international journalist, author of 10
books and a professing, Bible-believing Christian, described her findings
regarding this influential politico-religious force in her new book, Forcing
God's Hand: Why Millions Pray for a Quick Rapture, which is available for
$12 from Liberty Library, 300 Independence Avenue, SE, Washington, D.C.
20003.
What follows is an edited transcript of the interview with Ms. Halsell.
Valentine's questions are in boldface. Ms. Halsell's responses are in
regular text.
How did you come about writing this book?
Let me go back to the very beginning. I've written a number of books and
lived around the world in many different countries. I was born in Texas and
I set out very early to see the world: Japan, South America etc. Actually, I
went to the Middle East after I had been almost every place else and I did a
book, Journey to Jerusalem. This was about 20 years ago. In that book, I
lived with the Christians and Muslims and Jews and told their story and how
they were living in Palestine and Israel.
One day I started living with the Jewish settlers who were taking land
illegally from the Palestinians and many of these Jews were Americans who
had moved over there from Brooklyn, N.Y. One of these was Bobby Brown, a
third generation American who had moved to the Middle East. Sitting in this
illegal colony outside Bethlehem, I heard Brown say, "You know God gave us
all this land and the Palestinians all have to leave."
That hit me very hard because I had to ask myself what I believed as a
Christian. Was God in the real estate business? Was he really giving land
and taking it away from the people who had been living there for about 2,000
years?
So that question in my mind stayed with me and then later I began to
take these tours with Jerry Falwell and meet Christians who condoned what
Bobby Brown was doing, which was taking guns and illegally confiscating land
from the owners who lived there. This led to this latest book, which is
called Forcing God's Hand: Why Millions Pray for a Quick Rapture.
I would assume that the Jews living there (and being Old Testament
people) would say, "Well, God dealt in real estate then. Why not now?"
That's correct. So these are the questions I raised and which I am raising
in this current book. I think, I definitely do answer the question in the
book. As a Christian, I think I believe in the message of Christ, which is
peace and brotherhood and love and not murder and not confiscation of land.
I very definitely come out and say that Christ's message is what we need to
accept if we want peace in the world.
You're originally from Texas. In your book you examine how the Southern
Baptist Convention has been manipulated by this theory.
There are 16 million Southern Baptist Convention members and the entire
leadership has been taken over by this group of what I call, these "militant
Christians" who support Israel, and whatever Israel does. You know, you can
criticize France or China or even the United States, but you're not supposed
to criticize Israel because the Southern Baptist convention leadership says
that everything Israel does is orchestrated by God.
That's a very unique perspective and many of the big television
evangelists promote this point of view. In your book you explain that the
Southern Baptists were actually taken over by these people who say that you
aren't supposed to criticize Israel in what was essentially a political
coup.
It really was. It started in the 1960s, led by two men, and it became
very political. It was a real coup. They took it over and turned it
political. It became such a big force that they are very active in politics
and they can actually be highly influential in politics, telling people whom
to vote for.
This idea that Israel can do no wrong and that everything Israel does is
directed by God, actually came to the American Christian churches out of
England through a theory called "dispensationalism."
Yes, this is quite a new belief theory, that didn't exist in
Christianity for
1,800 years. It came about just 200 years ago. It originated in England
with a man named Darby and it was made popular in this country by
Cyrus Scofield through his reference Bible. He wrote his theory within
his Bible, on the margin, so that it became like a reference book. But
some people reading that book take his words as almost the word of
God. He believed that everything important in all of history must center a
round Israel. Everything.
I became a Christian about 15 years ago after having explored a lot of
different philosophies. When I started looking into Christianity, I came
across this Scofield philosophy and it's quite influential. I found that the
Moody Bible Institute was promoting Scofieldism.
So many seminaries are owned or controlled by them. The seedbed for this
is the theological seminary in Dallas and they educate all of the professors
who go out and head up other seminaries. So it's a vast, growing movement
with all of the teachers and students who are learning this. There are
countless seminaries teaching this doctrine.
I rejected Scofieldism when I investigated it, and I see it as being
much more political than it is "Christian." It is highly political and it
gets so that it controls what goes on in the White House and controls what
goes on in Congress. It's a vast number of Christians who are influencing
Congress and the president. I give any number of examples in the book.
An article in The SPOTLIGHT written by Charles Fischbein, a former
high-ranking figure in the Israeli lobby in America, pointed out that even
former President Reagan and his attorney general, Edwin Meese, were praying
for Armageddon to come during the Reagan era. Yes, that is very true. Ronald
Reagan was tied very much into this belief system.
What exactly is it, that they be lieve?
Well, Reagan undoubtedly tied in with this idea, that there has to be an
Armageddon. The reason they support Israel so much is, that they say Israel
has to be the "landing base" for Christ. And while many of these people
don't like Jews as Jews, they do love Israel and make a cult of the land of
Israel and they want everything protected for Israel and what Israel wants,
they say Israel should get, since Israel has to be the "landing base" for
Christ.
I read the Bible for myself and I didn't see anywhere that Christ needed
a landing base. (Laughing.) It does get a little absurd, doesn't it? Well,
Christ is king in our hearts and whatever he wants will be done and I think
he's been crowned king for all Christians already.
It seems like these Scofieldian dispensationalists who say we must
support Israel are saying that, "Christ didn't do it right the first time,
so he's got to do it over."
Well, they want to force God's hand. God has to do it their way. It's pretty
egotistical on their part, it seems to me, instead of "Thy will be done." It
is like writing dogma your own way, and, as I said, it is a fairly recent
dogma and it has become kind of a cult.
I guess they get a lot of pleasure and satisfaction with the certitude
that they can say like Jerry Falwell: "I'm not worried about Armageddon. You
know why? I ain't gonna be here." It's like the idea that "me and my crowd
are sure to be raptured and sit in the sky in grandstand seats and watch the
destruction of earth below with all of the millions, billions, of other
people being destroyed."
In other words, the followers of this theory, that Scofield concocted
and which has now become influential in so-called "mainstream" Christian
thinking believe, that they are going to be looking down and watching the
people on earth murdering each other. It sounds to me like they are the
ancient Romans and the others are the ones in the lion's den. It doesn't
sound Christ-like to me at all, that Christ would enjoy watching people
burn. But as Jerry Falwell said, "I'm not worried . . . I ain't gonna be
here."
In the meantime, though, they have this very, very powerful alliance and
it gives them a lot of recognition and gives them a vast following. Tim
LaHaye sells millions of copies of his book about the rapture. Hal Lindsay's
book, The Late Great Planet Earth, was a major best-seller. I read Lindsay's
book right after I became a Christian and I couldn't find where he was
making these connections.
This is a danger to America, because so many millions of people readily
buy into this theory that's being taught by LaHaye and Falwell and Pat
Robertson. It's no wonder that the Muslims are upset when they hear Falwell
and Robertson talking the way they do. Pat Robertson is an extremely
powerful man. You point out in your book that in 1982 when Israel invaded
Lebanon, Pat Robertson rode into the fray in an Israeli jeep. In the war
that followed, 200,000 Lebanese and Palestinians were killed and wounded.
Robertson said that Israel was "doing God's will." He actually believed
that?
Oh yes, this cult of Israel is so real to some people. It's rather
frightening. What interests me is that some of these Christian churches are
now sponsoring the appearance in their churches of Solomon Gershon whose
mission in life is to replace the Muslim mosque there in Jerusalem that is
holy to a billion Muslims around the world. He wants to rebuild Solomon's
temple at that spot and he's worked very hard to breed up a red calf. Yes,
he wants to sacrifice a red calf there. But, of course, the mosque has to be
destroyed and that could trigger a war very easily. However, they don't
worry about that. And Christians are raising money to promote this. This is
very real and Christians are raising money for an impending act of
terrorism. Already there have been over 100 assaults on that mosque.
By far the most powerful lobby in America is the pro-Israel lobby and
now we have Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell and all of their followers and
they all believe that Israel can do no wrong. It is a powerful alliance
between these militant Israelis and these militant Christians. No wonder
that Israel gets all of this foreign and military aid from the United States
and has for decades. And the Israelis, in addition, have been selling
high-tech weaponry to the Red Chinese and only The SPOTLIGHT was
reporting it. This all ties in to what you are talking about regarding this
alliance between the militant Israelis and the militant Christians.
Neither one would be so strong without the other.
You can't call it an Israeli philosophy, though. It's actually a really
weird twist on Christianity, that is only 200 years old and has no
connection with the Bible or anything in Christianity's history. How in the
world could Darby, the English originator of this theory convince anybody of
this? Actually, the ones who got convinced were the Americans. It was not a
big movement in England. But now these militant Christian evangelists such
as Falwell and Robertson are beaming this theory around the world with their
satellites.
You point out in your book that in March 1985, Jerry Falwell, speaking to an
assembly of rabbis in Miami, pledged to "mobilize 70 million conservative
Christians for Israel." Falwell also took credit for converting Sen. Jesse
Helms (R-N.C.) into one of Israel's staunchest allies and then Helms soon
was permitted to become chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Commit tee.
So is it Christianity or is it politics in Christian clothing?
I did document the fact, that Israel had given Jerry Falwell a jet
airplane, which is a nice gift. He uses it to go around and he uses that
jet, politically, I would say. I personally heard Jerry Falwell thank
Israeli leader Moshe Arens when I was traveling with Falwell. He didn't know
I was writing a book, but I traveled with two of his delegations that went
to Israel.
http://www.spotlight.org/02_02_00/Valentine/valentine.html
Published in THE SPOTLIGHT national newspaper
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This is what I mean. The Jews wrote the book (literally) on
massacres
and genocide on a most massive scale depopulating the entire country of
what
became Israel, leaving only little girls alive "to do with as you
please".
Yet Jews are surprised that this same fate should befall them, who
always
had fancied themselves to be God's favourites,
We aren't favorites! This is a standard accusation by the ignorant. We
got the Law and the responsibility of following its requirements.
That's all there is to it. There is a legend that G-d offered the Law at
Sinai, but was
initially refused. So G-d lifted Mt. Sinai and held it over the
Israelites until they accepted it. There's no favoritism here, only
responsibility.
There is a story, recounted at Passover (a celebration of the
Exodus from slavery in Egypt, led by Moses). The angels gloated at the
demise of the Egyptians in the Red Sea. G-d stopped them, saying "Are
these not also my children?" This legend is retold as part of the
Passover seder.
and justified to do unto
others what they would not have wanted done unto themselves. You will
find
the numbers of Jews killed during WW2 roughly equivalent to the number
of
people they killed to "possess the promised land". Did they find poetic
justice, or did they?
No, they only died in their millions. No poetry beyond perhaps Nelly
Sachs, Primo Levi, Elie Wiesel and a few others. There are poets of the
Russian pogroms as well, but the names escape me. Check a Conservative
Machzor (High Holiday prayerbook) for references. It's toward the end
of the Yom Kippur afternoon service.
But your vile, hateful "formula" is out of balance because you leave out
the sundry murders, persecutions and exiles during the intervening 3000
years.
G-d forbid that the Christians be treated similarly for their systematic
murders of non-Christians, from vicious murders of heretics (wars upon
wars in the Middle Ages), the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Russian
pogroms, and most recently the Nazi Holocaust. It hasn't happened in
Israel because the country has successfully resisted 4 major attacks by
its neighbors. Then you would have been sad. It seems that it's OK by
you
for Jews to die, but not to live.
Christ said that those living by the sword shall perish by the
sword.
So why have the Christians survived? Their hands are plenty bloody.
Worse, they flout the founder's teachings! Some even invoke the name of
Jesus in their murders. Read about Russian pogroms, always around
Easter. Or read about the false "Jews killed Jesus" canard and the
murders it caused. Or the slanderous "Protocols of the Elders of Zion,"
forged in Europe and promulgated by Henry Ford. He actually apologized
for
that.
You totally forget about the horrendous numbers who died as the result
of the 2 world wars, which is far more than all those who died at the hands
of Christians.
We would have much to discuss, for I came also from an atheist
family,
and academic secular humanist one. After investigating psycho-therapy
and
rejecting it, I also was enraptured by Zen-Buddhism. *Zen and the Art of
Archery* was my wake-up call to spiritual philosophy etc. etc.
We have certainly followed different spiritual paths.
I have problems with your bias. You remind me of the patriots
screaming
"my country right or wrong" at anti war-protesters. We are all made in
God's
image, and as long as you think one of "God's image" is inferior to
another
for cosmetic or ideological reasons, and therefore has rights the other
does
not etc., even indefinitely as Dispensationalists believe, we cannot
discuss
the finer points of religion.
My bias? And why behold you the mote that is in your
brother's eye, but consider not the beam that is in your own eye?
(Matthew 7:3)
I have stated on this NG that no one is blameless, yet you
do not pursue that, but only project your peculiar notion of what Jews
(let alone Israelis) believe. Do you not read what I wrote? Do you not
care enough to explore my views before you accuse me?
For the record, I think that there will never be peace in Israel until
there
is a
just, equitable and lasting peace between Israel and the Palestinians.
Both sides' hands are bloody, and to condemn one side but not the other
reflects a bias (either way) that will prevent peace ever from coming to
the region.
And you watch - Israel will dismantle the illegal settlements the same
as they did when the Sinai Desert was returned to Egypt. It will
happen.
I am not alone in this view and share it with Israelis as well as Jews
living in the Diaspora.
I have no doubt that when peace is achieved that you will find something
else to blame on the Jews and on Israel. I worry that if your
rapture does not come soon enough to suit you, you will blame
us for that too.
Now, why do you and your fellows consider everyone who does not believe as
you do (even other Christians) to be inferior? Doing so is
incompatible with a religion of love.
If it's any consolation, I regard you as a Christian dispensationalist,
except a bit more extreme: "My sect always right, and right in whatever
it does to promote it." Do try to correct me if I'm wrong. Non-biblical
quotes, please. Ecumenical and
interfaith activities are a good start.
The article you cite came from "The Spotlight." This publication is an
arm
of the KKK, Holocaust Revisionists and Conspiracy Theorists. The
Holocaust
revisionists maintain that the Holocaust did not occur. They have been
discredited countless times in the media and in court. Man, they have
David
Duke the world-famous racist as a columnist!! If this is where you get
your
information, you are either a hopeless bigot, or very deluded.
Let us know which. Show your true colors.
That's what the Nazis called Pastor Niemoeller when he berated the Nazis
for killing Jews: They called him "a hopeless bigot and very deluded".
Consequently they tossed him into the same Konzentrationslager Dachau he was
complaining about, and he nearly died himself. See below
Palestine on its own is not a viable economy. Israel had the chance to
show FAITH and blew it. They could have united the whole of ancient Israel
and fulfill the Zionist dream, by making all inhabitants equal citizens of
Israel under the law. The South African formulae could have been used to
ensure peace among the population groups. With USA support, they could have
forged a stable and wealthy nation.
But no, when Western Europe and North America opted for multi-ethnicity
and multi-culturalism, the Jews opted for xenophobia and oppression.
They will exacerbate Islamic fundamentalism till they succeed in getting
us all involved and targets for nuclear retaliation. Your rejection of faith
in favour of Jewish Xenophobia and colonialism is ill-advised.
--
Pastor Frank
* First they came for the Communists; I didn't object, for I wasn't a
Communist. Then they came for the Socialists; I didn't object, for I wasn't
a Socialist. Then they came for the Jews; I didn't object, for I wasn't a
Jew. Then they came for the Gypsies, the homosexuals, mental defectives,
Jehovah Witnesses and all others they didn't like, and again I didn't
object, for I was none of these, or so I thought.
Finally they came for me, - by then there was no one left to object.*
(Martin Niemöller, German Pastor, who survived the
Konzentrationslager of Sachsenhausen and Dachau).
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The article you cite came from "The Spotlight." This publication is an
arm
of the KKK, Holocaust Revisionists and Conspiracy Theorists. The
Holocaust
revisionists maintain that the Holocaust did not occur. They have been
discredited countless times in the media and in court. Man, they have
David
Duke the world-famous racist as a columnist!! If this is where you get
your
information, you are either a hopeless bigot, or very deluded.
Let us know which. Show your true colors.
You didn't answer the question! Are you afraid to do so? Which is it -
hate or delusion?
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* First they came for the Communists; I didn't object, for I wasn't a
Communist. Then they came for the Socialists; I didn't object, for I
wasn't
a Socialist. Then they came for the Jews; I didn't object, for I wasn't a
Jew. Then they came for the Gypsies, the homosexuals, mental defectives,
Jehovah Witnesses and all others they didn't like, and again I didn't
object, for I was none of these, or so I thought.
Finally they came for me, - by then there was no one left to object.*
(Martin Niemöller, German Pastor, who survived the
Konzentrationslager of Sachsenhausen and Dachau).
This is the first time I've heard anyone who is one of the potential ones
coming for the Jews, Gypsies, etc. using that quote. Or maybe you wouldn't
have come for the Gypsies, homosexuals, mental defectives and Jehovah's
Witnesses.
BTW do you have a church, Pastor Frank? What is it? Jesus Christ,
Christian? Come on, man, into the light.
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The article you cite came from "The Spotlight." This publication is
an
arm
of the KKK, Holocaust Revisionists and Conspiracy Theorists. The
Holocaust
revisionists maintain that the Holocaust did not occur. They have
been
discredited countless times in the media and in court. Man, they have
David
Duke the world-famous racist as a columnist!! If this is where you
get
your
information, you are either a hopeless bigot, or very deluded.
Let us know which. Show your true colors.
You didn't answer the question! Are you afraid to do so? Which is it -
hate or delusion?
Is that your reason why Jews have the right to kill millions of natives
to "possess the promised land" and now deprive natives again of their land
without compensation, drive them into refugee camps and imprison
indefinitely a large percentage of them in Jewish Konzentrationslager and
Gulags?
Remember, you WILL be judged as you judge "the least of them" and all
your dispensationalist fantasies will not save you.
Furthermore it's a given, that anyone fighting for human rights, like
Pastor Niemoeller below, or the writer of that Spot Light article, is
reviled and discredited by extremists.
--
Pastor Frank
* First they came for the Communists; I didn't object, for I wasn't a
Communist. Then they came for the Socialists; I didn't object, for I wasn't
a Socialist. Then they came for the Jews; I didn't object, for I wasn't a
Jew. Then they came for the Gypsies, the homosexuals, mental defectives,
Jehovah Witnesses and all others they didn't like, and again I didn't
object, for I was none of these, or so I thought.
Finally they came for me, - by then there was no one left to object.*
(Martin Niemöller, German Pastor, who survived the
Konzentrationslager of Sachsenhausen and Dachau).
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"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"cactus" <be131344@hotmal.com> wrote in message
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The article you cite came from "The Spotlight." This publication is
an
arm
of the KKK, Holocaust Revisionists and Conspiracy Theorists. The
Holocaust
revisionists maintain that the Holocaust did not occur. They have
been
discredited countless times in the media and in court. Man, they
have
David
Duke the world-famous racist as a columnist!! If this is where you
get
your
information, you are either a hopeless bigot, or very deluded.
Let us know which. Show your true colors.
You didn't answer the question! Are you afraid to do so? Which is it -
hate or delusion?
Is that your reason why Jews have <snip>
No. My question and your answer have nothing to do with each other. You
can't answer, can you?
And you can't answer because you are too hatefilled, and are too embarrassed
to acknowledge it publicly. You cowardly hatemonger.
Your behavior shows you to be a hypocritcal bigot, of insufficient moral
standing to pastor anything other than an Identity Church.
Here's why:
You can't engage in dialog - you only spew the same pre-packaged hate
message over and over. Obviously someone else does your thinking for you.
You cite "sources" regarded by most of the educated world as without
journalistic standing or connection to truth..
You quote respected people only to distort the true view of what you are.
Do you think that Pastor Niemoeller would have had anything to do with you?
You are the people he was warning against!
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: How is it possible? |
07 Aug 2003 09:13:24 PM |
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On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 11:15:20 -0400, Pastor Frank wrote:
Of course Jesus is the way out of cynicism,
paranoia and despair for me
Except it obviously didn't work.
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Mark K. Bilbo
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: How is it possible? |
09 Aug 2003 08:29:05 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 11:15:20 -0400, Pastor Frank wrote:
Of course Jesus is the way out of cynicism,
paranoia and despair for me
Except it obviously didn't work.
Thanks for proving my point, for that is the cynical view. Atheists
never mentions anything that "works".
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Pastor Frank
Christ in Mt:19:14: But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid
them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
Christ in Lk:18:17: Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive
the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.
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| User: "Contad Diction" |
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| Title: Re: How is it possible? |
09 Aug 2003 11:59:27 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 11:15:20 -0400, Pastor Frank wrote:
Of course Jesus is the way out of cynicism,
paranoia and despair for me
Except it obviously didn't work.
Thanks for proving my point, for that is the cynical view. Atheists
never mentions anything that "works".
My Clock works. My computer works. An employee works. Buses work. A penguin
works. Donkeys work. A light bulb works. My phone works. I could go on...
Regards
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