Religions > Atheism > Re: Hypatia of Alexandria -- Confusion among the atheists, or a falsehood, you choose
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11 Aug 2003 05:54:56 PM |
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Re: Hypatia of Alexandria -- Confusion among the atheists, or a falsehood, you choose |
On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 20:25:18 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net>
wrote:
"Illegitimi Non Carborundum" <nospam@edwardtbabinski.us> wrote in message
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"robert parker" <robpardelete@airmail.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:18:23 -0400, "Illegitimi Non Carborundum"
<nospam@edwardtbabinski.us> wrote:
Otherwise...
vague mention in about 3 pages about Fast's derogatory book against
Paine's
character. There's mention of this (I found interesting):
" Meanwhile, leaving Fast's book aside, things move forward, except in
Philadelphia, where park commissioners have refused to allow the
erection of a statue to Paine."
Why would they erect a statue to an Englishman who lived in the colonies for
only a few years and then moved to France? You do refer to the Thomas Paine
born 1737, Thetford, England, of Quaker parents, who moved to America in
1774, and then moved back to Europe in 1787, don't you? The Paine I refer
to returned to America in 1802 from France, where he had been imprisoned,
and died in 1809 in New York. Of a lifespan of 72 years, he spent roughly
20 in America.
T. Paine was a hero in america until his essay "Age of Reason"
was published. A must read for atheist. The christian community
began one of the most vicious smear campaigns against him in
american christian history. His books were banned from all public
libraries. Worst lie the christians told was of his death bed
conversion.
Looks like Age of Reason has been around far longer than any of his
critics
though. That's what Teller said about "Citizen Thomas Paine" ... it would
end up in a literary trash heap... true! I found next to nothing about the
book on the web last night, searching Google.
Actually, you do not seem to know very much about Mr Paine's critics. Seems
to me Edmund Burke wrote a rather effective rejoinder to some of Paine's
positions. As did Thomas Hutchinson. And, by golly, do you know what?
Burke's and Hutchinson's books are still in print. Looks like your
statement isn't exactly true, now is it?
Checked with the local library, Burke`s,and Hutchinson`s books
are available through a interlibrary loan program. Paine`s are on
loan and due back. This in a bible belt area of East Texas of a
author censored by christian churches for a couple of centuries.
I purchased the complete works of Paine from Liberty Tree Press
several years ago.
Just ran a search on Yahoo 170,000 hits. His complete works are
on line.
You sound like a Liar for Jesus.
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| User: "Didymos" |
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| Title: Re: Hypatia of Alexandria -- Confusion among the atheists, or a falsehood, you choose |
12 Aug 2003 04:04:35 PM |
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"robert parker" <robpardelete@airmail.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 20:25:18 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net>
wrote:
"Illegitimi Non Carborundum" <nospam@edwardtbabinski.us> wrote in message
news:3f2042d8_2@athenanews.com...
"robert parker" <robpardelete@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:3f21e0a8.2022658@news.airmail.net...
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:18:23 -0400, "Illegitimi Non Carborundum"
<nospam@edwardtbabinski.us> wrote:
Otherwise...
vague mention in about 3 pages about Fast's derogatory book against
Paine's
character. There's mention of this (I found interesting):
" Meanwhile, leaving Fast's book aside, things move forward, except
in
Philadelphia, where park commissioners have refused to allow the
erection of a statue to Paine."
Why would they erect a statue to an Englishman who lived in the colonies
for
only a few years and then moved to France? You do refer to the Thomas
Paine
born 1737, Thetford, England, of Quaker parents, who moved to America in
1774, and then moved back to Europe in 1787, don't you? The Paine I
refer
to returned to America in 1802 from France, where he had been
imprisoned,
and died in 1809 in New York. Of a lifespan of 72 years, he spent
roughly
20 in America.
T. Paine was a hero in america until his essay "Age of Reason"
was published. A must read for atheist. The christian community
began one of the most vicious smear campaigns against him in
american christian history. His books were banned from all public
libraries. Worst lie the christians told was of his death bed
conversion.
Looks like Age of Reason has been around far longer than any of his
critics
though. That's what Teller said about "Citizen Thomas Paine" ... it
would
end up in a literary trash heap... true! I found next to nothing about
the
book on the web last night, searching Google.
Actually, you do not seem to know very much about Mr Paine's critics.
Seems
to me Edmund Burke wrote a rather effective rejoinder to some of Paine's
positions. As did Thomas Hutchinson. And, by golly, do you know what?
Burke's and Hutchinson's books are still in print. Looks like your
statement isn't exactly true, now is it?
Checked with the local library, Burke`s,and Hutchinson`s books
are available through a interlibrary loan program. Paine`s are on
loan and due back. This in a bible belt area of East Texas of a
author censored by christian churches for a couple of centuries.
I purchased the complete works of Paine from Liberty Tree Press
several years ago.
Congratulations, so what?
Just ran a search on Yahoo 170,000 hits. His complete works are
on line.
Congratulations, again. And again, so what? I ran "thomas paine" through
google and got "about 196,000." What does that prove? Google is a better
serch engine than Yahoo? Is that really news to anyone?
So what's your point? You, not I, asserted that "Looks like Age of Reason
has been around far longer than any of his critics though." That assertion
is demonstrably false. It is a blatant lie. Now tell the truth: you had
never heard of Thomas Hutchinson before, had you? And you have never read
either Burke or Hutchinson, have you? You might consider reading their
books, if for no other reason than to know the arguments of your enemy.
Besides, you just might get careless and actually learn something. Anything
is possible . . . .
You sound like a Liar for Jesus.
See above concerning who is or is not a liar. All I did is point to
evidence that the works of Paine's critics have the same staying power as
Paine's works. You denied that. You are demonstrably incorrect. Your
ssertion is false. You lied. Can you, Sir, falsify my assertion? I invite
your data.
Why do you lunatic fringe, militant atheists presume that anyone who points
out your lies is a "Liar for Jesus"? I didn't lie, you did. I just caught
you. I have read much of Tom Paine's coprpus too. But I had grad
professors who compelled us to read both sides of the issues in the American
and French Revolutions. Your assertion was false, and your personal
metaphysics, and mine, and everyone else's, are not at all relevant to the
issue in question.
I kind of enjoy this. To the lunatic fringe, fundamentalist, so-called
"Christians" I am a "demoniac," "antichrist,"
and my all time favorite, "Satan's punk-***** *****." And to the loony
fringe, militant atheists I am a "Liar for Jesus." Go figure, eh? Of
course, I do take some comfort in the fact that the radical kooks on both
sides choose me as the target of their epithets. What's wrong with
moderation?
.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Hypatia of Alexandria -- Confusion among the atheists, or a falsehood, you choose |
12 Aug 2003 07:05:05 PM |
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"Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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"robert parker" <robpardelete@airmail.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 20:25:18 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net>
wrote:
<snippage>
Congratulations, so what?
Just ran a search on Yahoo 170,000 hits. His complete works are
on line.
Congratulations, again. And again, so what? I ran "thomas paine" through
google and got "about 196,000." What does that prove? Google is a better
serch engine than Yahoo? Is that really news to anyone?
So what's your point? You, not I, asserted that "Looks like Age of
Reason
has been around far longer than any of his critics though." That
assertion
is demonstrably false. It is a blatant lie. Now tell the truth: you had
never heard of Thomas Hutchinson before, had you? And you have never read
either Burke or Hutchinson, have you? You might consider reading their
books, if for no other reason than to know the arguments of your enemy.
Besides, you just might get careless and actually learn something.
Anything
is possible . . . .
You sound like a Liar for Jesus.
See above concerning who is or is not a liar. All I did is point to
evidence that the works of Paine's critics have the same staying power as
Paine's works. You denied that. You are demonstrably incorrect. Your
ssertion is false. You lied. Can you, Sir, falsify my assertion? I
invite
your data.
Why do you lunatic fringe, militant atheists presume that anyone who
points
out your lies is a "Liar for Jesus"? I didn't lie, you did. I just
caught
you. I have read much of Tom Paine's coprpus too. But I had grad
professors who compelled us to read both sides of the issues in the
American
and French Revolutions. Your assertion was false, and your personal
metaphysics, and mine, and everyone else's, are not at all relevant to the
issue in question.
I kind of enjoy this. To the lunatic fringe, fundamentalist, so-called
"Christians" I am a "demoniac," "antichrist,"
and my all time favorite, "Satan's punk-***** *****." And to the loony
fringe, militant atheists I am a "Liar for Jesus." Go figure, eh? Of
course, I do take some comfort in the fact that the radical kooks on both
sides choose me as the target of their epithets. What's wrong with
moderation?
Robert's never been one to let the facts get in the way of how he thinks
things should be. <G>
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| User: "Didymos" |
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| Title: Re: Hypatia of Alexandria -- Confusion among the atheists, or a falsehood, you choose |
14 Aug 2003 12:34:56 PM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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"Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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"robert parker" <robpardelete@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:3f381b22.13748128@news.airmail.net...
On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 20:25:18 GMT, "Didymos" <me@privacy.net>
wrote:
<snippage>
Congratulations, so what?
Just ran a search on Yahoo 170,000 hits. His complete works are
on line.
Congratulations, again. And again, so what? I ran "thomas paine"
through
google and got "about 196,000." What does that prove? Google is a
better
serch engine than Yahoo? Is that really news to anyone?
So what's your point? You, not I, asserted that "Looks like Age of
Reason
has been around far longer than any of his critics though." That
assertion
is demonstrably false. It is a blatant lie. Now tell the truth: you
had
never heard of Thomas Hutchinson before, had you? And you have never
read
either Burke or Hutchinson, have you? You might consider reading their
books, if for no other reason than to know the arguments of your enemy.
Besides, you just might get careless and actually learn something.
Anything
is possible . . . .
You sound like a Liar for Jesus.
See above concerning who is or is not a liar. All I did is point to
evidence that the works of Paine's critics have the same staying power
as
Paine's works. You denied that. You are demonstrably incorrect. Your
ssertion is false. You lied. Can you, Sir, falsify my assertion? I
invite
your data.
Why do you lunatic fringe, militant atheists presume that anyone who
points
out your lies is a "Liar for Jesus"? I didn't lie, you did. I just
caught
you. I have read much of Tom Paine's coprpus too. But I had grad
professors who compelled us to read both sides of the issues in the
American
and French Revolutions. Your assertion was false, and your personal
metaphysics, and mine, and everyone else's, are not at all relevant to
the
issue in question.
I kind of enjoy this. To the lunatic fringe, fundamentalist, so-called
"Christians" I am a "demoniac," "antichrist,"
and my all time favorite, "Satan's punk-***** *****." And to the loony
fringe, militant atheists I am a "Liar for Jesus." Go figure, eh? Of
course, I do take some comfort in the fact that the radical kooks on
both
sides choose me as the target of their epithets. What's wrong with
moderation?
Robert's never been one to let the facts get in the way of how he thinks
things should be. <G>
That is becoming more obvious the more he posts.
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