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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Rump Ranger"
Date: 20 Jan 2005 01:32:18 AM
Object: Re: If deserters are "cowards", how can the military support one for President?
moorehead wrote:

Rump Ranger wrote:

Let's see if I can figure this out. Deserters are "cowards" simply
because they don't believe in the lies of the government but yet

the

same people who would gladly lynch one of them believes George Bush

is

a great President. Yet he was a deserter.

It's amazing. The level of cognitive dissonance among these people

is

beyond belief.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6693-2004Sep8_2.html

Records Say Bush Balked at Order
National Guard Commander Suspended Him From Flying, Papers Show


Um, this is a joke, right? You're pulling our legs? You're

attempting

some sort of internet/usenet version of punk'd?

The real joke is Bush supporters in the military voting for a deserter
to take office.
.

User: "Lester Solnin"

Title: Re: If deserters are "cowards", how can the military support one for President? 31 Jan 2005 05:54:43 PM
"THOM" <thomandpam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:41ff610a.3059574@news.melbpc.org.au...

On 31 Jan 2005 06:50:04 -0800, "moorehead"
<moorehead_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote:


Rump Ranger wrote:

moorehead wrote:

Rump Ranger wrote:

moorehead wrote:

Rump Ranger wrote:

Let's see if I can figure this out. Deserters are "cowards"

simply

because they don't believe in the lies of the government but

yet

the

same people who would gladly lynch one of them believes

George

Bush

is

a great President. Yet he was a deserter.

It's amazing. The level of cognitive dissonance among these

people

is

beyond belief.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6693-2004Sep8_2.html


Records Say Bush Balked at Order
National Guard Commander Suspended Him From Flying, Papers

Show


Um, this is a joke, right? You're pulling our legs? You're

attempting

some sort of internet/usenet version of punk'd?


The real joke is Bush supporters in the military voting for a

deserter

to take office.


No, seriously - I can't tell for sure by your post whether or not

your

are joking, so I'll just ask - were you really NOT aware that the
"documents" cited in that 4 month old article were proven to be
forgeries within a matter of hours after Rather did the hit piece

on

the president, nearly taking down CBS news with him? Were you

really

NOT aware of the commission that found CBS negligent in running the
story using forged documents? Were you NOT aware that several CBS

news

people, to include Mary Mapes the producer of the story, were fired

and

that Rather has turned in his resignation papers himself? If you

were

not aware, may I ask if you've been living in a cave for the last 4
months?


Are you not aware that George Bush is a proven liar and that anything
coming from the neocon spin cycle is to be considered incredible? Of
course they came under fire. It's typical Bush policy: anyone who
doesn't ejaculate over him is to be hysterically attacked, like

Richard

Clarke. Bush was still a deserter and the Bush Administration

instead

of arguing against the accusation instead assassinated the person's
character.


Whoa, dude, wipe Michael Moore's ***** from your eyes for just a minute,
here and try to think about what you are saying - you are so
desperately and pathetically disingenious in your bizarre hatred for
Bush that you are willing to put forward proven forged documents,
making yourself look even more bufoonish in the process...?


Funny statement considering your love of the fuhrer Bush makes you
turn a blind eye on the fact he put forth phony documents etc to the
UN and Congress about WMD and lied thru his teeth to start a war.

Is this
your way of committing usenet suicide, or something? Seriously, you
might consider talking to your doctor about increasing the lithium
dosage....you're off kilter, big time.


Such a silly thing to say coming from the reichwing. Found those
pesky WMD yet or did the dog eat them?

THOM



At it's very worst, Dan Rather was basically attacked by a government
who can't stand criticism.


Um, NO, retard, wrong on ALL counts. It was the blogosphere that did
Hurricane Dan in when in a matter of hours, it was obvious to anyone
with a firing synapse left in their skull that the documents he used to
try to smear Bush with were typed on a modern day word processor. Note
I said firing synapse was required to make the observation - no wonder
you didn't catch it. Either way, the "government" did absolutely
NOTHING to Rather, although the FCC certainly could have and should
have fined the living ***** out of CBS for using forged documents to try
to affect the outcome of a national election.

Oh, and lest I forget - Bush was not a deserter. He served

honorably.

Unless you have proof otherwise.....


Plenty:


<snip of anti-bush bashing url's>

No, I mean PROOF - not wishful thinking.

Bush certainly hasn't been completely open with his military records.
Feel free to sweep it aside with your typical red herrings, but Bush
was still a deserter.


All I'm saying is that if you have proof, please post. You'd be the
first. Bush's pay records and his honorable discharge are all over the
web - he wasn't a deserter. His pay records and discharge papers prove
it.

Do you think if you keep hoping and wishing and stomping your foot like
a sniveling, petulant child, your wish will come true?

mj

Bush and Aunt Jemima. She kisses his ***** and a lot of ***** comes leaking

out. By the way, his ***** is located between his shoulders.
Les
.

User: "Colin Campbell remove underscore"

Title: Re: If deserters are "cowards", how can the military support one for President? 31 Jan 2005 11:28:30 PM
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:21:38 GMT,
(THOM) wrote:

Funny statement considering your love of the fuhrer Bush makes you
turn a blind eye on the fact he put forth phony documents etc to the
UN and Congress about WMD and lied thru his teeth to start a war.

Of course since those documents were forged by somebody on the payroll
of the French foreign intelligence services and given to the Italian
intelligence services who them passed them on to the US - somehow
'proves' that the US is guilty?
--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.
.
User: "THOM"

Title: Re: If deserters are "cowards", how can the military support one for President? 01 Feb 2005 02:43:03 PM
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:28:30 +0300, Colin Campbell
<activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote:

On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:21:38 GMT,

(THOM) wrote:


Funny statement considering your love of the fuhrer Bush makes you
turn a blind eye on the fact he put forth phony documents etc to the
UN and Congress about WMD and lied thru his teeth to start a war.


Of course since those documents were forged by somebody on the payroll
of the French foreign intelligence services and given to the Italian
intelligence services who them passed them on to the US - somehow
'proves' that the US is guilty?

so your saying Bush is just grossly and criminally incompetent
instead?
THOM





--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

.
User: "Colin Campbell remove underscore"

Title: Re: If deserters are "cowards", how can the military support one for President? 01 Feb 2005 05:42:20 AM
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:43:03 GMT,
(THOM) wrote:

Of course since those documents were forged by somebody on the payroll
of the French foreign intelligence services and given to the Italian
intelligence services who them passed them on to the US - somehow
'proves' that the US is guilty?


so your saying Bush is just grossly and criminally incompetent
instead?

Read my post and stop making up things up.
--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.
.
User: "THOM"

Title: Re: If deserters are "cowards", how can the military support one for President? 02 Feb 2005 04:10:32 AM
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 14:42:20 +0300, Colin Campbell
<activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote:

On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:43:03 GMT,

(THOM) wrote:


Of course since those documents were forged by somebody on the payroll
of the French foreign intelligence services and given to the Italian
intelligence services who them passed them on to the US - somehow
'proves' that the US is guilty?


so your saying Bush is just grossly and criminally incompetent
instead?


Read my post and stop making up things up.

making things up? Have you noticed the lack of a WTC in NYC. Bush
failed on 911 and should have been thrown out then. It boils down to
just a few things concerning WMD
1. He lied to start a war
2. If he was given bad information then he was stupid enough to
accept it without checking and made the wrong moves and is
incompetant.
Either way he is unfit for the job. Now we have him saying that Iran
has this and that based on info from the same source he says misled
him about WMD in Iraq!!! How can Bush be so sure about Irans' WMD
when the Iraqi WMD info was false???
After Pearle Harbor the Republicans demanded the heads of Adml Kimmel
and General Short and got them. Why didn't they demand Bush's head
after 911???
THOM






--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

.
User: "Howard Berkowitz"

Title: Re: If deserters are "cowards", how can the military support one for President? 01 Feb 2005 05:11:58 PM
In article <4200a5d8.1227615@news.melbpc.org.au>,

(THOM) wrote:

On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 14:42:20 +0300, Colin Campbell
<activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote:

On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:43:03 GMT,

(THOM) wrote:


Of course since those documents were forged by somebody on the payroll
of the French foreign intelligence services and given to the Italian
intelligence services who them passed them on to the US - somehow
'proves' that the US is guilty?


so your saying Bush is just grossly and criminally incompetent
instead?


Read my post and stop making up things up.


making things up? Have you noticed the lack of a WTC in NYC. Bush
failed on 911 and should have been thrown out then. It boils down to
just a few things concerning WMD
1. He lied to start a war
2. If he was given bad information then he was stupid enough to
accept it without checking and made the wrong moves and is
incompetant.

Either way he is unfit for the job. Now we have him saying that Iran
has this and that based on info from the same source he says misled
him about WMD in Iraq!!! How can Bush be so sure about Irans' WMD
when the Iraqi WMD info was false???

After Pearle Harbor the Republicans demanded the heads of Adml Kimmel
and General Short and got them. Why didn't they demand Bush's head
after 911???

Just to make the historical analogy correct, they settled for an admiral
and a lieutenant general, not a President. In this case, with the
nature of the attack, it's hard to place any military responsibility.
Tenet and Rumsfeld might be the closest parallel.
Of course, Kimmell and SHort had at least some warning and were supposed
to be on increased alert.
.
User: "THOM"

Title: Re: If deserters are "cowards", how can the military support one for President? 02 Feb 2005 06:18:01 AM
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 18:11:58 -0500, Howard Berkowitz
<hcb@gettcomm.com> wrote:

In article <4200a5d8.1227615@news.melbpc.org.au>,


(THOM) wrote:

On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 14:42:20 +0300, Colin Campbell
<activated_95b@earthlink.net (remove underscore)> wrote:

On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:43:03 GMT,

(THOM) wrote:


Of course since those documents were forged by somebody on the payroll
of the French foreign intelligence services and given to the Italian
intelligence services who them passed them on to the US - somehow
'proves' that the US is guilty?


so your saying Bush is just grossly and criminally incompetent
instead?


Read my post and stop making up things up.


making things up? Have you noticed the lack of a WTC in NYC. Bush
failed on 911 and should have been thrown out then. It boils down to
just a few things concerning WMD
1. He lied to start a war
2. If he was given bad information then he was stupid enough to
accept it without checking and made the wrong moves and is
incompetant.

Either way he is unfit for the job. Now we have him saying that Iran
has this and that based on info from the same source he says misled
him about WMD in Iraq!!! How can Bush be so sure about Irans' WMD
when the Iraqi WMD info was false???

After Pearle Harbor the Republicans demanded the heads of Adml Kimmel
and General Short and got them. Why didn't they demand Bush's head
after 911???

Just to make the historical analogy correct, they settled for an admiral
and a lieutenant general, not a President. In this case, with the
nature of the attack, it's hard to place any military responsibility.
Tenet and Rumsfeld might be the closest parallel.

Tenet and Rummy would be a good start but we can settle the rummy
problem bys ending him to Germany where he'se wanted.


Of course, Kimmell and SHort had at least some warning and were supposed
to be on increased alert.

and so did Bush. As more and more comes out on 911 we see that the
white house knew something was up yet it took how long to get a single
F-16 in the air?
THOM
.
User: "James H. Hood"

Title: Re: If deserters are "cowards", how can the military support one for President? 02 Feb 2005 01:28:17 AM
THOM <thomandpam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4200c29d.8593409@news.melbpc.org.au...

and so did Bush. As more and more comes out on 911 we see that the
white house knew something was up yet it took how long to get a single
F-16 in the air?

So THAT'S why you denounce the Chief Executive for not flying straight into
a confirmed target area.....he wasn't on the flightline prepping the planes
for takeoff.
.







User: "Rump Ranger"

Title: Re: If deserters are "cowards", how can the military support one for President? 31 Jan 2005 10:16:02 AM
moorehead wrote:

Rump Ranger wrote:

moorehead wrote:

Rump Ranger wrote:

moorehead wrote:

Rump Ranger wrote:

Let's see if I can figure this out. Deserters are

"cowards"

simply

because they don't believe in the lies of the government

but

yet

the

same people who would gladly lynch one of them believes

George

Bush

is

a great President. Yet he was a deserter.

It's amazing. The level of cognitive dissonance among

these

people

is

beyond belief.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6693-2004Sep8_2.html


Records Say Bush Balked at Order
National Guard Commander Suspended Him From Flying, Papers

Show


Um, this is a joke, right? You're pulling our legs? You're

attempting

some sort of internet/usenet version of punk'd?


The real joke is Bush supporters in the military voting for a

deserter

to take office.


No, seriously - I can't tell for sure by your post whether or not

your

are joking, so I'll just ask - were you really NOT aware that the
"documents" cited in that 4 month old article were proven to be
forgeries within a matter of hours after Rather did the hit piece

on

the president, nearly taking down CBS news with him? Were you

really

NOT aware of the commission that found CBS negligent in running

the

story using forged documents? Were you NOT aware that several

CBS

news

people, to include Mary Mapes the producer of the story, were

fired

and

that Rather has turned in his resignation papers himself? If you

were

not aware, may I ask if you've been living in a cave for the last

4

months?


Are you not aware that George Bush is a proven liar and that

anything

coming from the neocon spin cycle is to be considered incredible?

Of

course they came under fire. It's typical Bush policy: anyone who
doesn't ejaculate over him is to be hysterically attacked, like

Richard

Clarke. Bush was still a deserter and the Bush Administration

instead

of arguing against the accusation instead assassinated the person's
character.


Whoa, dude, wipe Michael Moore's ***** from your eyes for just a

minute,

here and try to think about what you are saying - you are so
desperately and pathetically disingenious in your bizarre hatred for
Bush that you are willing to put forward proven forged documents,
making yourself look even more bufoonish in the process...?

I know you are, but what am I? Too bad you can't argue whether the
stuff of *other* documents is false.

Is this
your way of committing usenet suicide, or something? Seriously, you
might consider talking to your doctor about increasing the lithium
dosage....you're off kilter, big time.

Considering the source...............


At it's very worst, Dan Rather was basically attacked by a

government

who can't stand criticism.


Um, NO, retard, wrong on ALL counts.

Why are you such a filthy liar?

Oh, and lest I forget - Bush was not a deserter. He served

honorably.

Unless you have proof otherwise.....


Plenty:


<snip of anti-bush bashing url's>

No, I mean PROOF - not wishful thinking.

Run away, coward. The URL's have more than Dan Rather's story.

Bush certainly hasn't been completely open with his military

records.

Feel free to sweep it aside with your typical red herrings, but

Bush

was still a deserter.


All I'm saying is that if you have proof, please post.

Already did. Not my fault you snipped the URLs provided and
side-stepped it.
.


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