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Date: 22 Jan 2005 10:09:34 AM
Object: Re: If deserters are "cowards", how can the military support one for President?
"Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
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Let's see if I can figure this out. Deserters are "cowards" simply
because they don't believe in the lies of the government but yet the
same people who would gladly lynch one of them believes George Bush is
a great President. Yet he was a deserter.

They are forced to worship a torture device, they can be forced to
worship a lying sack of psychotic crap.


It's amazing. The level of cognitive dissonance among these people is
beyond belief.

George Bush is a deluded psychopath and hallucinated I was a cuban spy
in 1982. So with no due process of law he and the secret service
kidnapped, drugged and inquisitioned me before sticking a microchip in
my back.
I am not allowed legal representation for this or medical care.
I still have this thing stuck in my back and am not allowed to earn a
living.
The secret service follow me around the country some posing as
homosexuals making passes at me. Other times waiting until I am not home
so they can seatrch my property.
They do not use warrants. They have put guns ot my haed and threaten me
when I speak out. I am poor so the legal system will not help. The ACLU
is full of muslims Jews and Niggers, SPics and could care less about a
poor non-christian white decsendant of Revolutionary war heroes.
I say EXTERMINATE THE SUPREME COURT.
Death to Renhquiast the fucking pathetic chain smoking peice of
capitalist crap.
EXTERMINATE THE CHRISTIAN JEW COP GOVERNMENT


----------------------------------------------
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6693-2004Sep8_2.html

Records Say Bush Balked at Order
National Guard Commander Suspended Him From Flying, Papers Show

By Michael Dobbs and Thomas B. Edsall
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, September 9, 2004; Page A01

President Bush failed to carry out a direct order from his superior in
the Texas Air National Guard in May 1972 to undertake a medical
examination that was necessary for him to remain a qualified pilot,
according to documents made public yesterday.

Documents obtained by the CBS News program "60 Minutes" shed new light
on one of the most controversial episodes in Bush's military service,
when he abruptly stopped flying and moved from Texas to Alabama to

work

on a political campaign. The documents include a memo from Bush's
squadron commander, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, ordering Bush "to be
suspended from flight status for failure to perform" to U.S. Air Force
and National Guard standards and failure to take his annual physical
"as ordered."



Questions have loomed for years over George W. Bush's service in the
Air National Guard during the Vietnam War. (George Bush Presidential
Library Via Associated Prress)


The new documents surfaced as the Bush administration released for the
first time the president's personal flight logs, which have been the
focus of repeated archival searches and Freedom of Information Act
requests dating to the 2000 presidential campaign. The logs show that
Bush stopped flying in April 1972 after accumulating more than 570
hours of flight time between 1969 and 1972, much of it on an F-102
interceptor jet.

White House officials have said there was no reason for Bush to take
the annual physical required of fighter pilots because there were no
suitable planes for him to fly in Alabama, where he applied for
"substitute training" to replace his required service with the Texas
National Guard. But the new documents suggest that Bush's transfer to
non-flight duties in Alabama was the subject of arguments among his
National Guard superiors.

Release of the documents came as Democrats and some veterans stepped

up

their criticism of Bush for allegedly failing to meet his sworn
obligations to the Texas Air National Guard. A new advocacy group
called Texans for Truth, which has links to anti-Bush groups such as
MoveOn.org, yesterday unveiled a TV ad to be screened in swing states
asserting that Bush failed to show up for Guard duty in Alabama.

White House officials dismissed the latest criticism of Bush's service
as partisan attacks in the midst of a heated campaign. In an interview
with "60 Minutes," White House communications director Dan Bartlett
said "partisan Democrats" were "recycling the very same charges we

hear

every time President Bush runs for reelection" and added: "It is dirty
politics." But he did not contest the authenticity of the documents,
which could not be verified independently by The Washington Post.

A spokeswoman for "60 Minutes," Kelli Edwards, declined to say exactly
how the new documents were obtained other than that CBS News

understood

they had been taken from Killian's "personal office file." In addition
to the order to Bush to report for a physical, the documents include
various memos from Killian describing his conversations with Bush and
other National Guard officers about Bush's attempts to secure a
transfer to Alabama. Killian died in 1984.

"Phone call from Bush," Killian recorded in a "memo to file" dated May
19, 1972. "Discussed options of how Bush can get out of coming to

drill

from now through November."

According to "60 Minutes," Killian's personal files show that he
ordered Bush "suspended from flight status" on Aug. 1, 1972. National
Guard documents already released by the White House and the Pentagon
show that Bush was suspended from flight status on that day for
"failure to accomplish annual medical examination" but do not mention
his alleged failure to comply with National Guard and Air Force
standards.

In another "memo to file," dated Aug. 18, 1973, Killian complained

that

he was under pressure from his superior, Col. Walter B. "Buck" Staudt,
to "sugar coat" Bush's officer evaluations. "I'm having trouble

running

interference and doing my job," he wrote in a memo titled "CYA." "I
will not rate."

Staudt has insisted that he was not influenced by Bush's status as the
son of George H.W. Bush (R), a Texas congressman in 1968 and later

head

of the CIA. He has also rejected the assertion by former Texas
lieutenant governor Ben Barnes (D) that Barnes intervened with the

head

of the Texas Air National Guard to secure a position for Bush there at
the request of a Bush family friend. Barnes, who has raised money for
Democrat John F. Kerry's presidential campaign, repeated the assertion
last night on "60 Minutes."

In releasing Bush's flight records, White House spokesmen yesterday
expressed frustration over what they depicted as the Pentagon's

failure

to produce a full and complete record of the president's military
service.

"It's clear that DOD [the Department of Defense] did not undertake as
comprehensive a search as had been directed by the president," said
White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan, just days after assuring The
Post that Bush's full personnel file had already been released. "We
have again asked that they ensure that any and all documents [relating
to Bush's military service] are identified and released."

A Pentagon spokeswoman, Lt. Col. Ellen Krenke, said Bush's flight logs
were found at the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis,

which

is the central repository for veterans' records. She said the logs

were

found among a batch of records sent to St. Louis from Norton Air Force
Base in 1993, which were originally thought to contain records of
active-duty officers rather than of National Guardsmen such as Bush.

.

User: "JokingYouU"

Title: Re: If deserters are "cowards", how can the military support one for President? 22 Jan 2005 04:48:41 PM
"COLonelPolypSs" <fvododisease@666.com> wrote in message
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"Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106124089.461354.154770@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

Let's see if I can figure this out. Deserters are "cowards" simply
because they don't believe in the lies of the government but yet the
same people who would gladly lynch one of them believes George Bush is
a great President. Yet he was a deserter.

President Bush served honorably and received a honorable discharge. He has
brought honor back to the White House after the depraved activities of the
previous occupant.



They are forced to worship a torture device, they can be forced to
worship a lying sack of psychotic crap.

Again you are incorrect as a Democrat is not in office.



It's amazing. The level of cognitive dissonance among these people is
beyond belief.


George Bush is a deluded psychopath and hallucinated I was a cuban spy
in 1982. So with no due process of law he and the secret service
kidnapped, drugged and inquisitioned me before sticking a microchip in
my back.

It is normal for the irrational among us to disbelieve and curse those who
are rational.


I am not allowed legal representation for this or medical care.

Most cities offer indigent people free psychiatric care. Perhaps you ought
to avail yourself of this taxpayer subsidized entitlement.


I still have this thing stuck in my back and am not allowed to earn a
living.

Well, you should have it removed and then shove it up your *****.


The secret service follow me around the country some posing as
homosexuals making passes at me. Other times waiting until I am not home
so they can seatrch my property.
They do not use warrants. They have put guns ot my haed and threaten me
when I speak out. I am poor so the legal system will not help. The ACLU
is full of muslims Jews and Niggers, SPics and could care less about a
poor non-christian white decsendant of Revolutionary war heroes.

You need to have your worthless sorry ***** deported back to Orangatan. You
are a drain on the moral fabric of this great country.



I say EXTERMINATE THE SUPREME COURT.

I say extrerminate your sorry assed parents for failling to abort you when
they had the chance.


Death to Renhquiast the fucking pathetic chain smoking peice of
capitalist crap.

Maybe we can go so far as to eliminate your entire lineage along with
purging records of your existence.


EXTERMINATE THE CHRISTIAN JEW COP GOVERNMENT


----------------------------------------------
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6693-2004Sep8_2.html

Records Say Bush Balked at Order
National Guard Commander Suspended Him From Flying, Papers Show

By Michael Dobbs and Thomas B. Edsall
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, September 9, 2004; Page A01

President Bush failed to carry out a direct order from his superior in
the Texas Air National Guard in May 1972 to undertake a medical
examination that was necessary for him to remain a qualified pilot,
according to documents made public yesterday.

Documents obtained by the CBS News program "60 Minutes" shed new light
on one of the most controversial episodes in Bush's military service,
when he abruptly stopped flying and moved from Texas to Alabama to

work

on a political campaign. The documents include a memo from Bush's
squadron commander, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, ordering Bush "to be
suspended from flight status for failure to perform" to U.S. Air Force
and National Guard standards and failure to take his annual physical
"as ordered."



Questions have loomed for years over George W. Bush's service in the
Air National Guard during the Vietnam War. (George Bush Presidential
Library Via Associated Prress)


The new documents surfaced as the Bush administration released for the
first time the president's personal flight logs, which have been the
focus of repeated archival searches and Freedom of Information Act
requests dating to the 2000 presidential campaign. The logs show that
Bush stopped flying in April 1972 after accumulating more than 570
hours of flight time between 1969 and 1972, much of it on an F-102
interceptor jet.

White House officials have said there was no reason for Bush to take
the annual physical required of fighter pilots because there were no
suitable planes for him to fly in Alabama, where he applied for
"substitute training" to replace his required service with the Texas
National Guard. But the new documents suggest that Bush's transfer to
non-flight duties in Alabama was the subject of arguments among his
National Guard superiors.

Release of the documents came as Democrats and some veterans stepped

up

their criticism of Bush for allegedly failing to meet his sworn
obligations to the Texas Air National Guard. A new advocacy group
called Texans for Truth, which has links to anti-Bush groups such as
MoveOn.org, yesterday unveiled a TV ad to be screened in swing states
asserting that Bush failed to show up for Guard duty in Alabama.

White House officials dismissed the latest criticism of Bush's service
as partisan attacks in the midst of a heated campaign. In an interview
with "60 Minutes," White House communications director Dan Bartlett
said "partisan Democrats" were "recycling the very same charges we

hear

every time President Bush runs for reelection" and added: "It is dirty
politics." But he did not contest the authenticity of the documents,
which could not be verified independently by The Washington Post.

A spokeswoman for "60 Minutes," Kelli Edwards, declined to say exactly
how the new documents were obtained other than that CBS News

understood

they had been taken from Killian's "personal office file." In addition
to the order to Bush to report for a physical, the documents include
various memos from Killian describing his conversations with Bush and
other National Guard officers about Bush's attempts to secure a
transfer to Alabama. Killian died in 1984.

"Phone call from Bush," Killian recorded in a "memo to file" dated May
19, 1972. "Discussed options of how Bush can get out of coming to

drill

from now through November."

According to "60 Minutes," Killian's personal files show that he
ordered Bush "suspended from flight status" on Aug. 1, 1972. National
Guard documents already released by the White House and the Pentagon
show that Bush was suspended from flight status on that day for
"failure to accomplish annual medical examination" but do not mention
his alleged failure to comply with National Guard and Air Force
standards.

In another "memo to file," dated Aug. 18, 1973, Killian complained

that

he was under pressure from his superior, Col. Walter B. "Buck" Staudt,
to "sugar coat" Bush's officer evaluations. "I'm having trouble

running

interference and doing my job," he wrote in a memo titled "CYA." "I
will not rate."

Staudt has insisted that he was not influenced by Bush's status as the
son of George H.W. Bush (R), a Texas congressman in 1968 and later

head

of the CIA. He has also rejected the assertion by former Texas
lieutenant governor Ben Barnes (D) that Barnes intervened with the

head

of the Texas Air National Guard to secure a position for Bush there at
the request of a Bush family friend. Barnes, who has raised money for
Democrat John F. Kerry's presidential campaign, repeated the assertion
last night on "60 Minutes."

In releasing Bush's flight records, White House spokesmen yesterday
expressed frustration over what they depicted as the Pentagon's

failure

to produce a full and complete record of the president's military
service.

"It's clear that DOD [the Department of Defense] did not undertake as
comprehensive a search as had been directed by the president," said
White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan, just days after assuring The
Post that Bush's full personnel file had already been released. "We
have again asked that they ensure that any and all documents [relating
to Bush's military service] are identified and released."

A Pentagon spokeswoman, Lt. Col. Ellen Krenke, said Bush's flight logs
were found at the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis,

which

is the central repository for veterans' records. She said the logs

were

found among a batch of records sent to St. Louis from Norton Air Force
Base in 1993, which were originally thought to contain records of
active-duty officers rather than of National Guardsmen such as Bush.


.
User: "Rump Ranger"

Title: Re: If deserters are "cowards", how can the military support one for President? 22 Jan 2005 09:02:16 PM
JokingYouU wrote:

"COLonelPolypSs" <fvododisease@666.com> wrote in message
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"Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106124089.461354.154770@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

Let's see if I can figure this out. Deserters are "cowards"

simply

because they don't believe in the lies of the government but yet

the

same people who would gladly lynch one of them believes George

Bush is

a great President. Yet he was a deserter.


President Bush served honorably and received a honorable discharge.

He has

brought honor back to the White House after the depraved activities

of the

previous occupant.

Have you ever thought of a career as a stand up comedien? Your post
has all the hallmarks of Orwellian double-speak.



They are forced to worship a torture device, they can be forced to
worship a lying sack of psychotic crap.


Again you are incorrect as a Democrat is not in office.

Fucking idiots like you can never understand. *Most* people would
gladly shoot *both* the Democrats and Republicans as the corrupt
assholes they are.



It's amazing. The level of cognitive dissonance among these

people is

beyond belief.


George Bush is a deluded psychopath and hallucinated I was a cuban

spy

in 1982. So with no due process of law he and the secret service
kidnapped, drugged and inquisitioned me before sticking a

microchip in

my back.


It is normal for the irrational among us to disbelieve and curse

those who

are rational.


I am not allowed legal representation for this or medical care.


Most cities offer indigent people free psychiatric care. Perhaps you

ought

to avail yourself of this taxpayer subsidized entitlement.


I still have this thing stuck in my back and am not allowed to earn

a

living.


Well, you should have it removed and then shove it up your *****.


The secret service follow me around the country some posing as
homosexuals making passes at me. Other times waiting until I am not

home

so they can seatrch my property.



They do not use warrants. They have put guns ot my haed and

threaten me

when I speak out. I am poor so the legal system will not help. The

ACLU

is full of muslims Jews and Niggers, SPics and could care less

about a

poor non-christian white decsendant of Revolutionary war heroes.

You need to have your worthless sorry ***** deported back to Orangatan.

You

are a drain on the moral fabric of this great country.



I say EXTERMINATE THE SUPREME COURT.


I say extrerminate your sorry assed parents for failling to abort you

when

they had the chance.


Death to Renhquiast the fucking pathetic chain smoking peice of
capitalist crap.


Maybe we can go so far as to eliminate your entire lineage along with
purging records of your existence.


EXTERMINATE THE CHRISTIAN JEW COP GOVERNMENT


----------------------------------------------

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6693-2004Sep8_2.html


Records Say Bush Balked at Order
National Guard Commander Suspended Him From Flying, Papers Show

By Michael Dobbs and Thomas B. Edsall
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, September 9, 2004; Page A01

President Bush failed to carry out a direct order from his

superior in

the Texas Air National Guard in May 1972 to undertake a medical
examination that was necessary for him to remain a qualified

pilot,

according to documents made public yesterday.

Documents obtained by the CBS News program "60 Minutes" shed new

light

on one of the most controversial episodes in Bush's military

service,

when he abruptly stopped flying and moved from Texas to Alabama to

work

on a political campaign. The documents include a memo from Bush's
squadron commander, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, ordering Bush "to

be

suspended from flight status for failure to perform" to U.S. Air

Force

and National Guard standards and failure to take his annual

physical

"as ordered."



Questions have loomed for years over George W. Bush's service in

the

Air National Guard during the Vietnam War. (George Bush

Presidential

Library Via Associated Prress)


The new documents surfaced as the Bush administration released for

the

first time the president's personal flight logs, which have been

the

focus of repeated archival searches and Freedom of Information Act
requests dating to the 2000 presidential campaign. The logs show

that

Bush stopped flying in April 1972 after accumulating more than 570
hours of flight time between 1969 and 1972, much of it on an F-102
interceptor jet.

White House officials have said there was no reason for Bush to

take

the annual physical required of fighter pilots because there were

no

suitable planes for him to fly in Alabama, where he applied for
"substitute training" to replace his required service with the

Texas

National Guard. But the new documents suggest that Bush's transfer

to

non-flight duties in Alabama was the subject of arguments among

his

National Guard superiors.

Release of the documents came as Democrats and some veterans

stepped

up

their criticism of Bush for allegedly failing to meet his sworn
obligations to the Texas Air National Guard. A new advocacy group
called Texans for Truth, which has links to anti-Bush groups such

as

MoveOn.org, yesterday unveiled a TV ad to be screened in swing

states

asserting that Bush failed to show up for Guard duty in Alabama.

White House officials dismissed the latest criticism of Bush's

service

as partisan attacks in the midst of a heated campaign. In an

interview

with "60 Minutes," White House communications director Dan

Bartlett

said "partisan Democrats" were "recycling the very same charges we

hear

every time President Bush runs for reelection" and added: "It is

dirty

politics." But he did not contest the authenticity of the

documents,

which could not be verified independently by The Washington Post.

A spokeswoman for "60 Minutes," Kelli Edwards, declined to say

exactly

how the new documents were obtained other than that CBS News

understood

they had been taken from Killian's "personal office file." In

addition

to the order to Bush to report for a physical, the documents

include

various memos from Killian describing his conversations with Bush

and

other National Guard officers about Bush's attempts to secure a
transfer to Alabama. Killian died in 1984.

"Phone call from Bush," Killian recorded in a "memo to file" dated

May

19, 1972. "Discussed options of how Bush can get out of coming to

drill

from now through November."

According to "60 Minutes," Killian's personal files show that he
ordered Bush "suspended from flight status" on Aug. 1, 1972.

National

Guard documents already released by the White House and the

Pentagon

show that Bush was suspended from flight status on that day for
"failure to accomplish annual medical examination" but do not

mention

his alleged failure to comply with National Guard and Air Force
standards.

In another "memo to file," dated Aug. 18, 1973, Killian complained

that

he was under pressure from his superior, Col. Walter B. "Buck"

Staudt,

to "sugar coat" Bush's officer evaluations. "I'm having trouble

running

interference and doing my job," he wrote in a memo titled "CYA."

"I

will not rate."

Staudt has insisted that he was not influenced by Bush's status as

the

son of George H.W. Bush (R), a Texas congressman in 1968 and later

head

of the CIA. He has also rejected the assertion by former Texas
lieutenant governor Ben Barnes (D) that Barnes intervened with the

head

of the Texas Air National Guard to secure a position for Bush

there at

the request of a Bush family friend. Barnes, who has raised money

for

Democrat John F. Kerry's presidential campaign, repeated the

assertion

last night on "60 Minutes."

In releasing Bush's flight records, White House spokesmen

yesterday

expressed frustration over what they depicted as the Pentagon's

failure

to produce a full and complete record of the president's military
service.

"It's clear that DOD [the Department of Defense] did not undertake

as

comprehensive a search as had been directed by the president,"

said

White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan, just days after assuring

The

Post that Bush's full personnel file had already been released.

"We

have again asked that they ensure that any and all documents

[relating

to Bush's military service] are identified and released."

A Pentagon spokeswoman, Lt. Col. Ellen Krenke, said Bush's flight

logs

were found at the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis,

which

is the central repository for veterans' records. She said the logs

were

found among a batch of records sent to St. Louis from Norton Air

Force

Base in 1993, which were originally thought to contain records of
active-duty officers rather than of National Guardsmen such as

Bush.



.



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