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"SongBookz" |
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16 Jun 2006 09:47:34 AM |
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Re: If God Were Dead |
On 16 Jun 2006 04:05:01 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
On 15 Jun 2006 00:21:02 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
If God Were Dead
"IF' ? you bloody fool.
There are thousands of gods, all of them imaginary
I posted this only to religious groups so you have nothing to complain
about other than you were just caught evangelizing your Athiest
Religion in religious groups.
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism
is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious
mind cannot begin to understand.
And if you believe that, I have a couple bridges to sell.
The very fact that you were posting your atheistic proselytizing in
religious groups on threads that up-till-now had not been posted but
only to religious groups betrays the religious fervor of your
evangelism for an atheism that may or not be a religion to some, but
certainly, judging on your behavior, appears to be to you.
But, since you have invaded the religious groups with your
proselytizing, it's only fair to add alt.atheism to the conversation.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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16 Jun 2006 10:45:55 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet SongBookz
(composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:32:02 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
I know that this remark was not addressed to *this* atheist. But I
have to say that *no* atheist considers atheism a 'religion'.
To paraphrase Shakespeare: A pile of ***** by any other name would
still smell like *****.
So you consider something that counters your worldview "*****". That
would hold water if you could prove your worldview watertight. Can you?
Or - if it acts like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a
duck, it's likely a duck:
Atheists in the religious groups act like it's a religion, talk like
it's a religion, therefore they can protest it's not a religion, but
lo'n'behold - it's a pile of *****!
And I hate to say it, but would you like some haggis with that No True
Scotsman fallacy?
And ... if you don't like being accused of proselytizing - quit
proselytizing!
Most atheists couldn't care less what you want to believe. Yeah, I know,
there are a few (like Bill) that keep on slumming in your neighborhood,
but when you get atheistic responses to your profound religious posts,
it's usually because one of us has taken offense to your opposition of
our own view on our own lives, which is none of your business. Step on
the snake, and it will bite. Especially if you have wandered into the
snake pit.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
The laws that require me to NOT kill people I don't like REALLY bug
me, or there would be many less of YOUR kind.
-John Weatherly
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| User: "SongBookz" |
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| Title: Re: If God Were Dead |
17 Jun 2006 12:39:07 AM |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:45:55 -0500, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet SongBookz
(composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:32:02 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
I know that this remark was not addressed to *this* atheist. But I
have to say that *no* atheist considers atheism a 'religion'.
To paraphrase Shakespeare: A pile of ***** by any other name would
still smell like *****.
So you consider something that counters your worldview "*****". That
would hold water if you could prove your worldview watertight. Can you?
Or - if it acts like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a
duck, it's likely a duck:
Atheists in the religious groups act like it's a religion, talk like
it's a religion, therefore they can protest it's not a religion, but
lo'n'behold - it's a pile of *****!
And I hate to say it, but would you like some haggis with that No True
Scotsman fallacy?
Actually, that's not a No Scotsman Fallacy, but even if it were, who
the ***** cares? I'm not a logicial, I'm a poet.
And ... if you don't like being accused of proselytizing - quit
proselytizing!
Most atheists couldn't care less what you want to believe. Yeah, I know,
there are a few (like Bill) that keep on slumming in your neighborhood,
but when you get atheistic responses to your profound religious posts,
it's usually because one of us has taken offense to your opposition of
our own view on our own lives, which is none of your business. Step on
the snake, and it will bite. Especially if you have wandered into the
snake pit.
Now here is an example of the No Scotsman Fallacy, nor is it true in
this case. The offending atheist posted a response to a poem that was
posted only to religious lists - to wit:
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Subject: Re: If God Were Dead
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SongBookz wrote:
If God Were Dead
"IF' ? you bloody fool.
There are thousands of gods, all of them imaginary
If God were dead, He'd be perfectly dead,
Laid out across the universe,
Arms and wings folded in solemn repose,
While angels and demons, man and beast,
Stars and planets and the rest, I suppose,
Followed in grief behind His great hearse.
Tears would flow from the great and the least.
But, others say, everything would cease to exist
And the mere fact that it seems to persist
Means God's not dead, as some have said.
Perhaps He just decided to meditate
And let everything go to hell while we wait.
Thus, as you see, the post he objected to was neither posted to an
athiest group, nor did it refer to ahteists in any manner.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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17 Jun 2006 01:10:03 AM |
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 05:39:07 GMT, SongBookz
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:45:55 -0500, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet SongBookz
(composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:32:02 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
I know that this remark was not addressed to *this* atheist. But I
have to say that *no* atheist considers atheism a 'religion'.
To paraphrase Shakespeare: A pile of ***** by any other name would
still smell like *****.
So you consider something that counters your worldview "*****". That
would hold water if you could prove your worldview watertight. Can you?
Or - if it acts like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a
duck, it's likely a duck:
Atheists in the religious groups act like it's a religion, talk like
it's a religion, therefore they can protest it's not a religion, but
lo'n'behold - it's a pile of *****!
And I hate to say it, but would you like some haggis with that No True
Scotsman fallacy?
Actually, that's not a No Scotsman Fallacy, but even if it were, who
the ***** cares? I'm not a logicial, I'm a poet.
And ... if you don't like being accused of proselytizing - quit
proselytizing!
Most atheists couldn't care less what you want to believe. Yeah, I know,
there are a few (like Bill) that keep on slumming in your neighborhood,
but when you get atheistic responses to your profound religious posts,
it's usually because one of us has taken offense to your opposition of
our own view on our own lives, which is none of your business. Step on
the snake, and it will bite. Especially if you have wandered into the
snake pit.
Now here is an example of the No Scotsman Fallacy, nor is it true in
this case. The offending atheist posted a response to a poem that was
posted only to religious lists - to wit:
Path:
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Subject: Re: If God Were Dead
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SongBookz wrote:
If God Were Dead
"IF' ? you bloody fool.
There are thousands of gods, all of them imaginary
Don't you love it when atheists admit there are gods?
If God were dead, He'd be perfectly dead,
Laid out across the universe,
Arms and wings folded in solemn repose,
While angels and demons, man and beast,
Stars and planets and the rest, I suppose,
Followed in grief behind His great hearse.
Tears would flow from the great and the least.
But, others say, everything would cease to exist
And the mere fact that it seems to persist
Means God's not dead, as some have said.
Perhaps He just decided to meditate
And let everything go to hell while we wait.
Thus, as you see, the post he objected to was neither posted to an
athiest group, nor did it refer to ahteists in any manner.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
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BB
http://www.biblebob.net
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| User: "Nemesis" |
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17 Jun 2006 01:12:42 AM |
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SongBookz wrote:
I'm a poet.
Not quite.
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| User: "" |
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16 Jun 2006 10:58:03 AM |
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In <pig592t93u697pahf4vpjr2a777jq7mr6j@4ax.com>, on 06/16/06
at 02:47 PM, SongBookz <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> said:
On 16 Jun 2006 04:05:01 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
On 15 Jun 2006 00:21:02 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
If God Were Dead
"IF' ? you bloody fool.
There are thousands of gods, all of them imaginary
I posted this only to religious groups so you have nothing to complain
about other than you were just caught evangelizing your Athiest
Religion in religious groups.
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism
is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious
mind cannot begin to understand.
And if you believe that, I have a couple bridges to sell.
Now, other than those like jw, where are you going to find anyone to buy
them? I suspect they are as imaginary as the gods of humanity. Or more so
if that is possible.
The very fact that you were posting your atheistic proselytizing in
religious groups on threads that up-till-now had not been posted but only
Proselytizing? Where has he told you what to believe. That is a
charectaristic found in the latest two revealed gods of the desert. Or do
you consider any comment/observation by any one that does not concur with
your mythology to be proselytizing?
to religious groups betrays the religious fervor of your evangelism for
Hum, is this a varient of teh *atheist religion* claim?
an atheism that may or not be a religion to some, but certainly, judging
on your behavior, appears to be to you.
Ya know, I doubt that you really understand what it is to be an atheist,
it is a concept that man y can not wrap their minds around for numerous
reasons. One of those is that everyone must believe in something. The
problem there is that the religious version of believe is assumed by those
that follow a mythology, when that is not the case.
But, since you have invaded the religious groups with your
proselytizing, it's only fair to add alt.atheism to the conversation.
Really, will you add alt.atheism to the groups, because I monitor both
groups & I suspect you do know that yes, I am an atheist. or are you
saying Mr. Young can not/should not monitor the Baptist group, because he
is an atheist & therefore has nothing to say, or at least nothing you want
to hear?
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
walksalone who does not follow Terrell's reasoning on this, after all,
xians & bleaters in general feel free to jump into the atheist news groups
& dropping their load. It is a chance one takes when they subscribe to any
un-moderated news group.
--
If the Bible had said that Jonah swallowed the whale, I would believe it.
William Jennings Bryan
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| User: "SongBookz" |
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16 Jun 2006 02:08:09 PM |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:58:03 -0500, wrote:
walksalone who does not follow Terrell's reasoning on this, after all,
xians & bleaters in general feel free to jump into the atheist news groups
& dropping their load. It is a chance one takes when they subscribe to any
un-moderated news group.
Certainly it is a chance one takes.
I only drop into the athiest group when:
1. Responding to a post where alt.athiesm is already in the header,
or
2. An athiest butts into a conversation in a religious group,
berating people for their beliefs
In my observation, athiesm shares a lot with Funnymentalism in that
that both groups don't believe others have a right to their own
opinions and beliefs.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
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| User: "" |
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16 Jun 2006 04:37:26 PM |
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In <060692dkgepag6f0dhbob007oma2aru29i@4ax.com>, on 06/16/06
at 07:08 PM, SongBookz <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> said:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:58:03 -0500, wrote:
walksalone who does not follow Terrell's reasoning on this, after all,
xians & bleaters in general feel free to jump into the atheist news groups
& dropping their load. It is a chance one takes when they subscribe to any
un-moderated news group.
Certainly it is a chance one takes.
I only drop into the athiest group when:
Here we go.
1. Responding to a post where alt.athiesm is already in the header, or
Even here, there is a choice. Called followups. There are & will be times
that the subject is of mutual concern, or a different input is required.
2. An athiest butts into a conversation in a religious group, berating
people for their beliefs
IOW its all right for xians to use double standards, as in we, the
atheists, should not cross post to the xian groups when Pastor Frank,
Pastor Dave, Roy Lorr, Jabaroil [or one of his incarnations], david
cheryll[sp], jw, Doc, Vernon, or any other self professed xian invades,
intrudes, runs off at the mouth, make grandiose claims to know what their
gods want, etc. I don't suspect that is what you wan ted to say, is it? I
fail to see the difference.
In my observation, athiesm shares a lot with Funnymentalism in that that
Not really, if you bothered to pay attention, most, but not all, atheists
don't give a toss if you worship Set. Now when bleaters start making funny
noises involving education, as in public], or politics, then they are
another matter. Would you want something like jw or Vernon on your local
school board, or a state school board, let alone as a congress person?
both groups don't believe others have a right to their own opinions and
I believe my existence & posting history puts that lie to rest. However, I
do believe that a person should know the history & culture that gave birth
to their myth, a belief not shared where the revealed gods of the desert
have followers. Most of the xian posters here & elsewhere know very little
about their myth, & that might be a good thing for the collection plate.
But it is nothing to base hopes for an eternal life on.
beliefs.
I can safely say you just stereotyped people you do not know. Bit like me
claiming all xians are like scout lady or JohnH. They aren't.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
walksalone who suspects that Terrell did not defend his position as wisely
as he might have, or is less of a person of merit than I had thought him
to be.
--
This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the
purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves.
Robert G. Ingersoll
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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16 Jun 2006 02:42:01 PM |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:08:09 GMT, SongBookz
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:58:03 -0500, wrote:
walksalone who does not follow Terrell's reasoning on this, after all,
xians & bleaters in general feel free to jump into the atheist news groups
& dropping their load. It is a chance one takes when they subscribe to any
un-moderated news group.
Certainly it is a chance one takes.
I only drop into the athiest group when:
1. Responding to a post where alt.athiesm is already in the header,
or
2. An athiest butts into a conversation in a religious group,
berating people for their beliefs
In my observation, athiesm shares a lot with Funnymentalism in that
that both groups don't believe others have a right to their own
opinions and beliefs.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
Terrell,
Atheism is a religion which has its liberal, conservative, and
fundamentalist branches just like any other religion. I can think of
one or two atheists who make Jerry Falwell look like a ultra liberal.
......
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
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| User: "Olrik" |
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17 Jun 2006 12:35:42 AM |
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Bible Bob wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:08:09 GMT, SongBookz
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:58:03 -0500, wrote:
walksalone who does not follow Terrell's reasoning on this, after all,
xians & bleaters in general feel free to jump into the atheist news groups
& dropping their load. It is a chance one takes when they subscribe to any
un-moderated news group.
Certainly it is a chance one takes.
I only drop into the athiest group when:
1. Responding to a post where alt.athiesm is already in the header,
or
2. An athiest butts into a conversation in a religious group,
berating people for their beliefs
In my observation, athiesm shares a lot with Funnymentalism in that
that both groups don't believe others have a right to their own
opinions and beliefs.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
Terrell,
Atheism is a religion which has its liberal, conservative, and
fundamentalist branches just like any other religion.
That old canard has been put to rest. You're just trolling here, BB.
Find something else.
BTW, the definition of the word "religion" has a few meanings, and they
can be used to describe any group of persons who share a common
interest.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion
Take a look at number 4.
I can think of one or two atheists who make Jerry Falwell look like a ultra liberal.
True. And?
.....
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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17 Jun 2006 01:08:43 AM |
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On 16 Jun 2006 22:35:42 -0700, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:08:09 GMT, SongBookz
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:58:03 -0500, wrote:
walksalone who does not follow Terrell's reasoning on this, after all,
xians & bleaters in general feel free to jump into the atheist news groups
& dropping their load. It is a chance one takes when they subscribe to any
un-moderated news group.
Certainly it is a chance one takes.
I only drop into the athiest group when:
1. Responding to a post where alt.athiesm is already in the header,
or
2. An athiest butts into a conversation in a religious group,
berating people for their beliefs
In my observation, athiesm shares a lot with Funnymentalism in that
that both groups don't believe others have a right to their own
opinions and beliefs.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
Terrell,
Atheism is a religion which has its liberal, conservative, and
fundamentalist branches just like any other religion.
That old canard has been put to rest. You're just trolling here, BB.
Find something else.
I'm posting in free.christians in response to posts coming into
free.christians. That's not trolling. Besides, I am telling the
truth as you prove below. Number four which you quote proves that
atheism is a religion.
Look, I was an atheist. I don't hate atheists. I like lots of the
atheists that post to the groups even the one's that I think are
sometimes a little off their rockers (but then they might think that
of me if they had an adequate supply of booze and drugs).
I know the mantra that atheists religiously preach to all that will
hear or read; "atheism is the belief that there is no gods" a matter
of personal faith - a religious belief. The atheist can no more prove
the non-existence of God than most Christians can prove the existance
of God. They call that a matter of personal faith - a religion.
BTW, the definition of the word "religion" has a few meanings, and they
can be used to describe any group of persons who share a common
interest.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion
Take a look at number 4.
I can think of one or two atheists who make Jerry Falwell look like a ultra liberal.
True. And?
There are some atheists who are as religious as fundy Christians. Not
all atheists; but some. Just as not all Christians are
fundamentalists.
.....
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
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BB
http://www.biblebob.net
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17 Jun 2006 01:48:46 AM |
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Bible Bob wrote:
On 16 Jun 2006 22:35:42 -0700, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:08:09 GMT, SongBookz
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:58:03 -0500, wrote:
walksalone who does not follow Terrell's reasoning on this, after all,
xians & bleaters in general feel free to jump into the atheist news groups
& dropping their load. It is a chance one takes when they subscribe to any
un-moderated news group.
Certainly it is a chance one takes.
I only drop into the athiest group when:
1. Responding to a post where alt.athiesm is already in the header,
or
2. An athiest butts into a conversation in a religious group,
berating people for their beliefs
In my observation, athiesm shares a lot with Funnymentalism in that
that both groups don't believe others have a right to their own
opinions and beliefs.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
Terrell,
Atheism is a religion which has its liberal, conservative, and
fundamentalist branches just like any other religion.
That old canard has been put to rest. You're just trolling here, BB.
Find something else.
I'm posting in free.christians in response to posts coming into
free.christians. That's not trolling.
So we're the victims of cross-posters, as I only subscribe to
alt.atheism.
Besides, I am telling the
truth as you prove below. Number four which you quote proves that
atheism is a religion.
It showed that the word "religion" could be applied to anything. For
some, collecting stamps is a "religion". It's just the common usage of
the word.
Look, I was an atheist. I don't hate atheists. I like lots of the
atheists that post to the groups even the one's that I think are
sometimes a little off their rockers (but then they might think that
of me if they had an adequate supply of booze and drugs).
I know the mantra that atheists religiously preach to all that will
hear or read; "atheism is the belief that there is no gods" a matter
of personal faith - a religious belief.
You know it's not. I just don't believe in any sort of "god" or "gods".
End of story.
The atheist can no more prove
the non-existence of God than most Christians can prove the existance
of God. They call that a matter of personal faith - a religion.
See above. The word "religion" can be used and abused endlessly. Are
people who like vanilla ice-cream part of a "religion"? My answer is
"yes", in the broadest sense of the word.
BTW, the definition of the word "religion" has a few meanings, and they
can be used to describe any group of persons who share a common
interest.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion
Take a look at number 4.
I can think of one or two atheists who make Jerry Falwell look like a ultra liberal.
True. And?
There are some atheists who are as religious as fundy Christians. Not
all atheists; but some.
You have a funny tendancy to label people "religious", whether they
believe in your myths or not.
Just as not all Christians are fundamentalists.
True.
Olrik
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BB
http://www.biblebob.net
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17 Jun 2006 05:32:45 PM |
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On 16 Jun 2006 23:48:46 -0700, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
On 16 Jun 2006 22:35:42 -0700, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:08:09 GMT, SongBookz
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:58:03 -0500, wrote:
walksalone who does not follow Terrell's reasoning on this, after all,
xians & bleaters in general feel free to jump into the atheist news groups
& dropping their load. It is a chance one takes when they subscribe to any
un-moderated news group.
Certainly it is a chance one takes.
I only drop into the athiest group when:
1. Responding to a post where alt.athiesm is already in the header,
or
2. An athiest butts into a conversation in a religious group,
berating people for their beliefs
In my observation, athiesm shares a lot with Funnymentalism in that
that both groups don't believe others have a right to their own
opinions and beliefs.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
Terrell,
Atheism is a religion which has its liberal, conservative, and
fundamentalist branches just like any other religion.
That old canard has been put to rest. You're just trolling here, BB.
Find something else.
I'm posting in free.christians in response to posts coming into
free.christians. That's not trolling.
So we're the victims of cross-posters, as I only subscribe to
alt.atheism.
Yeah. Them ole meanies better stop it. Out of curiousity I went
through the thread to see who did the cross posting. "spam trap" is
the one that added alt.atheism to the address line. Is he one of
your's?
Besides, I am telling the
truth as you prove below. Number four which you quote proves that
atheism is a religion.
It showed that the word "religion" could be applied to anything. For
some, collecting stamps is a "religion". It's just the common usage of
the word.
Yep.
Look, I was an atheist. I don't hate atheists. I like lots of the
atheists that post to the groups even the one's that I think are
sometimes a little off their rockers (but then they might think that
of me if they had an adequate supply of booze and drugs).
I know the mantra that atheists religiously preach to all that will
hear or read; "atheism is the belief that there is no gods" a matter
of personal faith - a religious belief.
You know it's not. I just don't believe in any sort of "god" or "gods".
End of story.
Okay
The atheist can no more prove
the non-existence of God than most Christians can prove the existance
of God. They call that a matter of personal faith - a religion.
See above. The word "religion" can be used and abused endlessly. Are
people who like vanilla ice-cream part of a "religion"? My answer is
"yes", in the broadest sense of the word.
And those who like chocolate could be classified that way too.
BTW, the definition of the word "religion" has a few meanings, and they
can be used to describe any group of persons who share a common
interest.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion
Take a look at number 4.
I can think of one or two atheists who make Jerry Falwell look like a ultra liberal.
True. And?
There are some atheists who are as religious as fundy Christians. Not
all atheists; but some.
You have a funny tendancy to label people "religious", whether they
believe in your myths or not.
Turn around is fair play.
Just as not all Christians are fundamentalists.
True.
Olrik
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| User: "bob young" |
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20 Jun 2006 01:18:02 AM |
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Bible Bob wrote:
On 16 Jun 2006 22:35:42 -0700, "Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:08:09 GMT, SongBookz
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:58:03 -0500, wrote:
walksalone who does not follow Terrell's reasoning on this, after all,
xians & bleaters in general feel free to jump into the atheist news groups
& dropping their load. It is a chance one takes when they subscribe to any
un-moderated news group.
Certainly it is a chance one takes.
I only drop into the athiest group when:
1. Responding to a post where alt.athiesm is already in the header,
or
2. An athiest butts into a conversation in a religious group,
berating people for their beliefs
In my observation, athiesm shares a lot with Funnymentalism in that
that both groups don't believe others have a right to their own
opinions and beliefs.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
Terrell,
Atheism is a religion which has its liberal, conservative, and
fundamentalist branches just like any other religion.
That old canard has been put to rest. You're just trolling here, BB.
Find something else.
I'm posting in free.christians in response to posts coming into
free.christians. That's not trolling. Besides, I am telling the
truth as you prove below. Number four which you quote proves that
atheism is a religion.
Look, I was an atheist. I don't hate atheists. I like lots of the
atheists that post to the groups even the one's that I think are
sometimes a little off their rockers (but then they might think that
of me if they had an adequate supply of booze and drugs).
I know the mantra that atheists religiously preach to all that will
hear or read; "atheism is the belief that there is no gods"
Rubbish
"The atheist does not say "there is no God," he says "I know not what you mean by God; I
am without idea of God; the word 'God' is to me a sound conveying no clear or distinct
affirmation. ... The Bible God I deny; the Christian God I disbelieve in; but I am not
rash enough to say there is no
God as long as you tell me you are unprepared to define God to me.""
[Charles Bradlaugh, "Plea for Atheism"]
"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and
punishes his creatures, or has a will of the
kind that we experience in ourselves.
Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an
individual that survives his physical death;
let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism,
cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the
mystery of the eternity of life and with the
awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure
of the existing world, together with
the devoted striving to comprehend a portion,
be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that
manifests itself in nature."
[Albert Einstein,_The World as I See It_]
a matter
of personal faith - a religious belief. The atheist can no more prove
the non-existence of God than most Christians can prove the existance
of God. They call that a matter of personal faith - a religion.
BTW, the definition of the word "religion" has a few meanings, and they
can be used to describe any group of persons who share a common
interest.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion
Take a look at number 4.
I can think of one or two atheists who make Jerry Falwell look like a ultra liberal.
True. And?
There are some atheists who are as religious as fundy Christians. Not
all atheists; but some. Just as not all Christians are
fundamentalists.
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http://www.biblebob.net
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| User: "bob young" |
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20 Jun 2006 01:15:04 AM |
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Bible Bob wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:08:09 GMT, SongBookz
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:58:03 -0500, wrote:
walksalone who does not follow Terrell's reasoning on this, after all,
xians & bleaters in general feel free to jump into the atheist news groups
& dropping their load. It is a chance one takes when they subscribe to any
un-moderated news group.
Certainly it is a chance one takes.
I only drop into the athiest group when:
1. Responding to a post where alt.athiesm is already in the header,
or
2. An athiest butts into a conversation in a religious group,
berating people for their beliefs
In my observation, athiesm shares a lot with Funnymentalism in that
that both groups don't believe others have a right to their own
opinions and beliefs.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
Terrell,
Atheism is a religion which has its liberal, conservative, and
fundamentalist branches just like any other religion. I can think of
one or two atheists who make Jerry Falwell look like a ultra liberal.
Atheism is simply 'basic common sense with a touch of intelligence'
Religion is a desire to be a member of a club that has an imaginary 'Chairman'
bob - humanist Brit.
"The Bible is not my book
nor Christianity my
profession. I could never
give assent to the long,
complicated statements of
Christian dogma."
- Abraham Lincoln,
American president
(1809-1865).
"You never see animals
going through the absurd
and often horrible
fooleries of magic and
religion. Only man behaves
with such gratuitous
folly. It is the price he
has to pay for being
intelligent but not, as
yet, intelligent enough."
-Aldous Huxley, author
"Roots"
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| User: "thomas p" |
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19 Jun 2006 08:12:34 AM |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:42:01 GMT, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:08:09 GMT, SongBookz
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:58:03 -0500, wrote:
walksalone who does not follow Terrell's reasoning on this, after all,
xians & bleaters in general feel free to jump into the atheist news groups
& dropping their load. It is a chance one takes when they subscribe to any
un-moderated news group.
Certainly it is a chance one takes.
I only drop into the athiest group when:
1. Responding to a post where alt.athiesm is already in the header,
or
2. An athiest butts into a conversation in a religious group,
berating people for their beliefs
In my observation, athiesm shares a lot with Funnymentalism in that
that both groups don't believe others have a right to their own
opinions and beliefs.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
Terrell,
Atheism is a religion
Nonsense and obviously so.
which has its liberal, conservative, and
fundamentalist branches just like any other religion. I can think of
one or two atheists who make Jerry Falwell look like a ultra liberal.
Which has nothing to do with atheism being a religion, but, of coure,
you know that.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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19 Jun 2006 01:42:43 PM |
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On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:12:34 +0200, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:42:01 GMT, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:08:09 GMT, SongBookz
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:58:03 -0500, wrote:
walksalone who does not follow Terrell's reasoning on this, after all,
xians & bleaters in general feel free to jump into the atheist news groups
& dropping their load. It is a chance one takes when they subscribe to any
un-moderated news group.
Certainly it is a chance one takes.
I only drop into the athiest group when:
1. Responding to a post where alt.athiesm is already in the header,
or
2. An athiest butts into a conversation in a religious group,
berating people for their beliefs
In my observation, athiesm shares a lot with Funnymentalism in that
that both groups don't believe others have a right to their own
opinions and beliefs.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
Terrell,
Atheism is a religion
Nonsense and obviously so.
which has its liberal, conservative, and
fundamentalist branches just like any other religion. I can think of
one or two atheists who make Jerry Falwell look like a ultra liberal.
Which has nothing to do with atheism being a religion, but, of coure,
you know that.
Is not atheism about what atheists do? Yep! Sure is. That is why
there is an "ism" on the end of "atheism".
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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http://www.biblebob.net
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| User: "" |
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20 Jun 2006 04:37:07 AM |
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Bible Bob wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:12:34 +0200, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:42:01 GMT, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com>
wrote:
snip
which has its liberal, conservative, and
fundamentalist branches just like any other religion. I can think of
one or two atheists who make Jerry Falwell look like a ultra liberal.
Which has nothing to do with atheism being a religion, but, of coure,
you know that.
Is not atheism about what atheists do? Yep! Sure is. That is why
there is an "ism" on the end of "atheism".
No, atheism is a lack of belief in a god. As long as a person lacks
that belief, he/she is an atheist. It has nothing to do with any kind
of behavior. Some Christians play baseball; is that a Christian
activity? Perhaps it is a Moslem activity; after all some Moslems play
the game too. Some atheists are liberal, conservative, nice, nasty,
fat, thin etc., and none of that has anything to do with atheism.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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19 Jun 2006 08:13:40 AM |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:08:09 GMT, SongBookz
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:58:03 -0500, wrote:
walksalone who does not follow Terrell's reasoning on this, after all,
xians & bleaters in general feel free to jump into the atheist news groups
& dropping their load. It is a chance one takes when they subscribe to any
un-moderated news group.
Certainly it is a chance one takes.
I only drop into the athiest group when:
1. Responding to a post where alt.athiesm is already in the header,
or
2. An athiest butts into a conversation in a religious group,
berating people for their beliefs
In my observation, athiesm shares a lot with Funnymentalism in that
that both groups don't believe others have a right to their own
opinions and beliefs.
There is no such atheist belief. Individual atheists might take any
number of positions on any possible issue. That does not make those
positions atheist positions. That should be obvious, but it seem to
be convenient for theists to accuse atheism of whatever nastiness that
occurs to them. Bearing false witness does not seem to be much of a
problem for those theists.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "SongBookz" |
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19 Jun 2006 09:53:47 AM |
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On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:13:40 +0200, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:08:09 GMT, SongBookz
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:58:03 -0500, wrote:
walksalone who does not follow Terrell's reasoning on this, after all,
xians & bleaters in general feel free to jump into the atheist news groups
& dropping their load. It is a chance one takes when they subscribe to any
un-moderated news group.
Certainly it is a chance one takes.
I only drop into the athiest group when:
1. Responding to a post where alt.athiesm is already in the header,
or
2. An athiest butts into a conversation in a religious group,
berating people for their beliefs
In my observation, athiesm shares a lot with Funnymentalism in that
that both groups don't believe others have a right to their own
opinions and beliefs.
There is no such atheist belief. Individual atheists might take any
number of positions on any possible issue. That does not make those
positions atheist positions. That should be obvious, but it seem to
be convenient for theists to accuse atheism of whatever nastiness that
occurs to them. Bearing false witness does not seem to be much of a
problem for those theists.
That seems to be true of athiests as well, from the posts on these
newsgroups, athiests tend to paint the religious with a broad stroke
as well, as was done here.
For example, "bearing false witness" is a Christian term, I am not a
Christian, so your buzzwords won't work on me. It also is a term
referring to testimony in court (before the elders), and we are not in
court, thus, even if I were a Christian, it wouldn't apply.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
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| User: "" |
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20 Jun 2006 04:30:42 AM |
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SongBookz wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:13:40 +0200, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
snip
In my observation, athiesm shares a lot with Funnymentalism in that
that both groups don't believe others have a right to their own
opinions and beliefs.
There is no such atheist belief. Individual atheists might take any
number of positions on any possible issue. That does not make those
positions atheist positions. That should be obvious, but it seem to
be convenient for theists to accuse atheism of whatever nastiness that
occurs to them. Bearing false witness does not seem to be much of a
problem for those theists.
That seems to be true of athiests as well, from the posts on these
newsgroups, athiests tend to paint the religious with a broad stroke
as well, as was done here.
For example, "bearing false witness" is a Christian term, I am not a
Christian, so your buzzwords won't work on me. It also is a term
referring to testimony in court (before the elders), and we are not in
court, thus, even if I were a Christian, it wouldn't apply.
None of which has anything to do with my post. There are no atheist
beliefs, and that is very obvious or should be. That was my main
point, and you ignored it.
My second point also stands; there are quite a few theists who post
here insisting that atheism is some kind of belief system and the
source of great evil. Whether you are Christian or not really has no
relevance to the first point, and the second point does not say that
you are Christian or a theist. You do, however, imply that atheism is
a belief system. If you had said that some atheists act like some
fundamentalists, I would have agreed.
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| User: "bob young" |
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20 Jun 2006 01:11:02 AM |
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SongBookz wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:58:03 -0500, wrote:
walksalone who does not follow Terrell's reasoning on this, after all,
xians & bleaters in general feel free to jump into the atheist news groups
& dropping their load. It is a chance one takes when they subscribe to any
un-moderated news group.
Certainly it is a chance one takes.
I only drop into the athiest group when:
1. Responding to a post where alt.athiesm is already in the header,
or
2. An athiest butts into a conversation in a religious group,
berating people for their beliefs
In my observation, athiesm shares a lot with Funnymentalism in that
that both groups don't believe others have a right to their own
opinions and beliefs.
You mean lke this atheist?
To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that
the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are
nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason
otherwise ... without plunging into the fathomless abyss of dreams and
phantasms. I am satisfied, and sufficiently occupied with the things
which are, without tormenting or troubling myself about those which
may indeed be, but of which I have no evidence.
[Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, August 15, 1820]
SongBookz wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:58:03 -0500, wrote:
walksalone who does not follow Terrell's reasoning on this, after all,
xians & bleaters in general feel free to jump into the atheist news groups
& dropping their load. It is a chance one takes when they subscribe to any
un-moderated news group.
Certainly it is a chance one takes.
I only drop into the athiest group when:
1. Responding to a post where alt.athiesm is already in the header,
or
2. An athiest butts into a conversation in a religious group,
berating people for their beliefs
In my observation, athiesm shares a lot with Funnymentalism in that
that both groups don't believe others have a right to their own
opinions and beliefs.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
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| User: "quibbler" |
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16 Jun 2006 02:52:07 PM |
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In article <pig592t93u697pahf4vpjr2a777jq7mr6j@4ax.com>,
composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net says...
On 16 Jun 2006 04:05:01 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
The very fact that you were posting your atheistic proselytizing
Why is atheistic proselytizing any worse than theistic proselytizing or
political proselytizing? In fact atheistic proselytizing is superior to
those other forms because it has the virtue of being more likely to be
true.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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16 Jun 2006 10:25:34 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet SongBookz
(composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
On 16 Jun 2006 04:05:01 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
On 15 Jun 2006 00:21:02 -0500, bob young
<alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
If God Were Dead
"IF' ? you bloody fool.
There are thousands of gods, all of them imaginary
I posted this only to religious groups so you have nothing to
complain about other than you were just caught evangelizing your
Athiest Religion in religious groups.
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom.
Atheism is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that
the religious mind cannot begin to understand.
And if you believe that, I have a couple bridges to sell.
The very fact that you were posting your atheistic proselytizing in
religious groups on threads that up-till-now had not been posted but
only to religious groups betrays the religious fervor of your
evangelism for an atheism that may or not be a religion to some, but
certainly, judging on your behavior, appears to be to you.
How? He's only telling it like it is. Consider a scaling of religious
intensity if you will.
Some people believe in "God" only to be accepted into the society around
them. When questioned whether "Jesus" actually existed, they are not
sure. Most in this group don't believe "Satan" is real, and they rarely
attend church. These people have no problem with accepting, studying,
even conducting research into scientific taboo areas like evolution,
cloning, stem cell research, etc. These people are usually kind to
others regardless of race, creed, color, or religious background.
Others attend church more regularly, although not every Sunday. They get
involved with their church groups, and do "good" things in society, like
feeding the homeless on Thanksgiving, or raising money for pet projects
to give their group a presence. Do they believe in "God". Why yes! God
is good. "Satan"? Well, maybe. "Satan" is bad, and I don't like to
think about that. "Afterlife"? But of course, and everyone who believes
in any god is going to heaven, because all gods are "God". Only non-
believers are going to hell in this group.
Then there are those who believe fervently in the afterlife. They attend
church about as regularly as those just above, but they actually pay
attention to what the Pastor/Preacher/Deacon is saying. They believe
"Satan" is real, and he's hiding behind every bush waiting for you to
***** up. These are the ones who teach their children how to pray before
they go to bed, and they supervise this activity to make sure they do it
right. They don't quite hate non-believers, but when they encounter
them, they find it necessary to do all they can to convert them - to
their particular flavor of Christianity, of course, because, whatever it
is - Baptist, Catholic, Episcopalean, Mormon - it's the only way to go to
heaven. That makes them feel good, regardless of the disrespect for the
other person's personal philosophy.
Then there are those for whom the church is the main focus of their
lives. They never miss a Sunday in church, even if it means missing
double scale overtime at work. They get involved with church activities
with such intensity that the rest of the group becomes part of their
family. People outside of the church are looked upon with scorn, and
those of other faiths are considered infidels, as defined in the bible.
Here, religion has far surpassed sociality, as the prescribed dogma of
the believer's preferred flavor has taken control of their lives.
Members of other religious sects are not only considered as infidels,
they are going to hell in a hand-basket, hands down. Non-believers are
to be avoided at all cost - fired from work positions, even evicted from
apartments, or in extreme cases, forced out of the homes they own.
Questioning their faith is completely out of the question here, even
though their choice of faith is no more important than being the most
popular in their coincidental geographical location, or that it was
passed down from a previous generation.
Finally, there are the fundamentalists. These are the morons that
believe every word of the bible to be true, and those who question this
will burn in hell in eternal agony forever and ever while they gleefully
watch. But they are not burning yet, so some of the extreme cases will
try to assert their decision as blessed in Christ, and hurry up the
judgement day decision by performing it themselves. These guys are
pretty much leftovers from the Dark Ages, where torture and burnings at
the stake were quite common. You see these people on street corners
holding big signs with big BOLD letters proclaiming their religion to be
true. They think the world will end for them, like the bible says. They
think the world was created just for them, some 6,000 years ago, like the
bible suggests. In fact, everything science discovers, then proves to be
true, is considered the work of the devil in trying to decieve the true
believers, so he can eat their non-existent souls for breakfast in a
never-ending hell. Fear controls their lives. Fear of nothing, really,
because they have to deny reality to continue these impossible beliefs -
impossible in this day and age anyway.
As you work your way down the hierarchy of religious intensity, as I have
described here, intellectual honesty slowly diminishes until it
disappears completely. It has been shown, statistically, that as
religious fervor increases, IQ decreases. I'm sorry. But statistics
don't lie.
But, since you have invaded the religious groups with your
proselytizing, it's only fair to add alt.atheism to the conversation.
Thank you for that. It's fun to spank Christians, simply because of the
way they like to get into your face to insist that their delusions
somehow fit into reality.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
The laws that require me to NOT kill people I don't like REALLY bug
me, or there would be many less of YOUR kind.
-John Weatherly
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17 Jun 2006 12:45:36 AM |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:25:34 -0500, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
But statistics
don't lie.
"There are 3 kinds of lies: lies, damn lies and statistics"
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: If God Were Dead |
16 Jun 2006 10:59:47 AM |
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SongBookz schreef:
On 16 Jun 2006 04:05:01 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
On 15 Jun 2006 00:21:02 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
If God Were Dead
"IF' ? you bloody fool.
There are thousands of gods, all of them imaginary
I posted this only to religious groups so you have nothing to complain
about other than you were just caught evangelizing your Athiest
Religion in religious groups.
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism
is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious
mind cannot begin to understand.
And if you believe that, I have a couple bridges to sell.
The very fact that you were posting your atheistic proselytizing in
religious groups on threads that up-till-now had not been posted but
only to religious groups betrays the religious fervor of your
evangelism for an atheism that may or not be a religion to some, but
certainly, judging on your behavior, appears to be to you.
But, since you have invaded the religious groups with your
proselytizing, it's only fair to add alt.atheism to the conversation.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
Proselytizing?
Is that an real word?
You are right to complain about these remarks.
There is no such thing as a "religious mind"
Almost all human minds are capable of understanding both theism and
atheism.
Atheism is just the lack of believe in a God.
It is true that in some cases, the believe in God is dispensed with
because of a great love for reason or honesty or freedom.
But one can be an atheist and still be unreasonable, dishonest or full
of restraints,
just as theist can be fairly honeset and reasonable, and rather free
thinking.
(I admit that theists would have to cling to one thing in order to
remain theists).
Atheism though is not a religion.
It has no rites, no saints, no holy things and no rules to live by.
Indeed one may even think there might be a God
only when one thinks there is one, one ceizes to be an Atheist.
One can join up as a "bright" though
http://www.the-brights.net/
However that is not the same as being an atheist.
Peter van Velzen
June 2006
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "SongBookz" |
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| Title: Re: If God Were Dead |
16 Jun 2006 02:11:33 PM |
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On 16 Jun 2006 08:59:47 -0700, "pbamvv@worldonline.nl"
<pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote:
SongBookz schreef:
On 16 Jun 2006 04:05:01 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
On 15 Jun 2006 00:21:02 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
If God Were Dead
"IF' ? you bloody fool.
There are thousands of gods, all of them imaginary
I posted this only to religious groups so you have nothing to complain
about other than you were just caught evangelizing your Athiest
Religion in religious groups.
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism
is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious
mind cannot begin to understand.
And if you believe that, I have a couple bridges to sell.
The very fact that you were posting your atheistic proselytizing in
religious groups on threads that up-till-now had not been posted but
only to religious groups betrays the religious fervor of your
evangelism for an atheism that may or not be a religion to some, but
certainly, judging on your behavior, appears to be to you.
But, since you have invaded the religious groups with your
proselytizing, it's only fair to add alt.atheism to the conversation.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
Proselytizing?
Is that an real word?
Yes, it is and it's appropriate in this case.
You are right to complain about these remarks.
Thank you.
There is no such thing as a "religious mind"
Almost all human minds are capable of understanding both theism and
atheism.
Atheism is just the lack of believe in a God.
It is true that in some cases, the believe in God is dispensed with
because of a great love for reason or honesty or freedom.
But one can be an atheist and still be unreasonable, dishonest or full
of restraints,
just as theist can be fairly honeset and reasonable, and rather free
thinking.
(I admit that theists would have to cling to one thing in order to
remain theists).
Atheism though is not a religion.
That may be true, although some promote athiesm as IF it were a
religion - not all religions have a diety.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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| Title: Re: If God Were Dead |
16 Jun 2006 02:42:53 PM |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:11:33 GMT, SongBookz
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 16 Jun 2006 08:59:47 -0700, "pbamvv@worldonline.nl"
<pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote:
SongBookz schreef:
On 16 Jun 2006 04:05:01 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
On 15 Jun 2006 00:21:02 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
If God Were Dead
"IF' ? you bloody fool.
There are thousands of gods, all of them imaginary
I posted this only to religious groups so you have nothing to complain
about other than you were just caught evangelizing your Athiest
Religion in religious groups.
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism
is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious
mind cannot begin to understand.
And if you believe that, I have a couple bridges to sell.
The very fact that you were posting your atheistic proselytizing in
religious groups on threads that up-till-now had not been posted but
only to religious groups betrays the religious fervor of your
evangelism for an atheism that may or not be a religion to some, but
certainly, judging on your behavior, appears to be to you.
But, since you have invaded the religious groups with your
proselytizing, it's only fair to add alt.atheism to the conversation.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
Proselytizing?
Is that an real word?
Yes, it is and it's appropriate in this case.
You are right to complain about these remarks.
Thank you.
There is no such thing as a "religious mind"
Almost all human minds are capable of understanding both theism and
atheism.
Atheism is just the lack of believe in a God.
It is true that in some cases, the believe in God is dispensed with
because of a great love for reason or honesty or freedom.
But one can be an atheist and still be unreasonable, dishonest or full
of restraints,
just as theist can be fairly honeset and reasonable, and rather free
thinking.
(I admit that theists would have to cling to one thing in order to
remain theists).
Atheism though is not a religion.
That may be true, although some promote athiesm as IF it were a
religion - not all religions have a diety.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
Atheists worship "self" and "science" (world knowledge).
......
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: If God Were Dead |
16 Jun 2006 03:25:45 PM |
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Bible Bob wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:11:33 GMT, SongBookz
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 16 Jun 2006 08:59:47 -0700, "pbamvv@worldonline.nl"
<pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote:
SongBookz schreef:
On 16 Jun 2006 04:05:01 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
On 15 Jun 2006 00:21:02 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
If God Were Dead
"IF' ? you bloody fool.
There are thousands of gods, all of them imaginary
I posted this only to religious groups so you have nothing to complain
about other than you were just caught evangelizing your Athiest
Religion in religious groups.
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism
is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious
mind cannot begin to understand.
And if you believe that, I have a couple bridges to sell.
The very fact that you were posting your atheistic proselytizing in
religious groups on threads that up-till-now had not been posted but
only to religious groups betrays the religious fervor of your
evangelism for an atheism that may or not be a religion to some, but
certainly, judging on your behavior, appears to be to you.
But, since you have invaded the religious groups with your
proselytizing, it's only fair to add alt.atheism to the conversation.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
Proselytizing?
Is that an real word?
Yes, it is and it's appropriate in this case.
You are right to complain about these remarks.
Thank you.
There is no such thing as a "religious mind"
Almost all human minds are capable of understanding both theism and
atheism.
Atheism is just the lack of believe in a God.
It is true that in some cases, the believe in God is dispensed with
because of a great love for reason or honesty or freedom.
But one can be an atheist and still be unreasonable, dishonest or full
of restraints,
just as theist can be fairly honeset and reasonable, and rather free
thinking.
(I admit that theists would have to cling to one thing in order to
remain theists).
Atheism though is not a religion.
That may be true, although some promote athiesm as IF it were a
religion - not all religions have a diety.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
Atheists worship "self" and "science" (world knowledge).
Here we go. Define "worship." I'm an atheist. I have never sat in a pew
admiring myself or science, I have never sung devotional songs about
myself or science, I have never prayed to myself or science, I have
never spoke in tongues about myself or science. The most I've ever done
is sip coffee while reading an interesting article on science, brushed
my teeth in a mirror, or scratched my ***** while I watched a documentary
about String Theory. Where in any of these activities have I ever
worshipped anything?
It's interesting to me that you sneer at science while you post
messages using a tool created by scientists, the computer. You're a
hypocrite of the highest order, and YOU'RE worshipping YOURSELF, since
you think you've got it all figured out.
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| User: "Nemesis" |
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| Title: Re: If God Were Dead |
16 Jun 2006 04:49:14 PM |
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Neil Kelsey wrote:
It's interesting to me that you sneer at science while you post
messages using a tool created by scientists, the computer. You're a
hypocrite of the highest order, and YOU'RE worshipping YOURSELF, since
you think you've got it all figured out.
As far as hypocrites, I'll go you one better: self-proclaimed
"Christians" who worship the Bible (the book that's supposed to be a
guide to knowing better the God who wrote it) over and above God. The
catch-22 is that such "Christians" are idolators and become
narcissistic "Bible scientists" worshipping their knowledge of and
ability to decipher and dissect the Bible. Being a follower of Christ
is all about humility, faith, and submission to something that is not
tangible. Because it is easier, the Bible becomes the god of many
while God Almighty Himself is left out in the cold; i.e., knowing OF
God and really KNOWING God are not the same thing.
Naturally, I know the atheists reading this will balk at my analogy
since in their estimation God is non-existent. However, I think it's
important for atheists to realize that not all theists and Christians
are of the same ilk.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: If God Were Dead |
16 Jun 2006 05:27:00 PM |
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Nemesis wrote:
Neil Kelsey wrote:
It's interesting to me that you sneer at science while you post
messages using a tool created by scientists, the computer. You're a
hypocrite of the highest order, and YOU'RE worshipping YOURSELF, since
you think you've got it all figured out.
As far as hypocrites, I'll go you one better: self-proclaimed
"Christians" who worship the Bible (the book that's supposed to be a
guide to knowing better the God who wrote it) over and above God. The
catch-22 is that such "Christians" are idolators and become
narcissistic "Bible scientists" worshipping their knowledge of and
ability to decipher and dissect the Bible. Being a follower of Christ
is all about humility, faith, and submission to something that is not
tangible. Because it is easier, the Bible becomes the god of many
while God Almighty Himself is left out in the cold; i.e., knowing OF
God and really KNOWING God are not the same thing.
Naturally, I know the atheists reading this will balk at my analogy
since in their estimation God is non-existent. However, I think it's
important for atheists to realize that not all theists and Christians
are of the same ilk.
I understand what you're saying, and within the framework of
Christianity I guess they are hypocrites. But in that case, the only
harm done is between them and their (non-existent) God, so it really
doesn't bother me, and atheist, that much. But when a sanctimonious
hypocrite like Bob there stereotypes me and tells me what I think and
do, and projects his delusions onto me, then I'm going to speak up. I
think my hypocrites are worse than yours, but I know what you mean.
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