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"SongBookz" |
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16 Jun 2006 09:47:34 AM |
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Re: If God Were Dead |
On 16 Jun 2006 04:05:01 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
On 15 Jun 2006 00:21:02 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
If God Were Dead
"IF' ? you bloody fool.
There are thousands of gods, all of them imaginary
I posted this only to religious groups so you have nothing to complain
about other than you were just caught evangelizing your Athiest
Religion in religious groups.
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism
is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious
mind cannot begin to understand.
And if you believe that, I have a couple bridges to sell.
The very fact that you were posting your atheistic proselytizing in
religious groups on threads that up-till-now had not been posted but
only to religious groups betrays the religious fervor of your
evangelism for an atheism that may or not be a religion to some, but
certainly, judging on your behavior, appears to be to you.
But, since you have invaded the religious groups with your
proselytizing, it's only fair to add alt.atheism to the conversation.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: If God Were Dead |
16 Jun 2006 12:32:02 PM |
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"SongBookz" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:pig592t93u697pahf4vpjr2a777jq7mr6j@4ax.com...
On 16 Jun 2006 04:05:01 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
On 15 Jun 2006 00:21:02 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
If God Were Dead
"IF' ? you bloody fool.
There are thousands of gods, all of them imaginary
I posted this only to religious groups so you have nothing to complain
about other than you were just caught evangelizing your Athiest
Religion in religious groups.
How in the hell are we atheists going to get it through your thick skulls
that atheism is NOT a religion. Go to your bookshelf, pull out your
dictionary, look up the word 'religion' and ask *yourself* if atheism is a
'religion' in the normal, accepted way that word is commonly used. Add the
word 'religious' to the mix, and then get back to us and tell us with a
straight face that atheism is a 'religion'.
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism
is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious
mind cannot begin to understand.
And if you believe that, I have a couple bridges to sell.
The very fact that you were posting your atheistic proselytizing in
religious groups on threads that up-till-now had not been posted but
only to religious groups betrays the religious fervor of your
evangelism for an atheism that may or not be a religion to some, but
certainly, judging on your behavior, appears to be to you.
I know that this remark was not addressed to *this* atheist. But I have to
say that *no* atheist considers atheism a 'religion'. So the insinuation
that an atheist considers atheism a religion flys well off the mark. As for
atheists and their views ending up in 'Christian' -- and I'd like to know
*exactly* what that is, because you people can't even agree as to which
collection of books is the 'real' Bible -- newsgroups: remember that a lot
of 'cross-posting' goes on. So some of it is definitely not deliberate. (I
for one, with rare exceptions, post *only* in alt.atheism. If my
posts/messages end up in a 'Christian' newsgroup, it's more than likely
that's because it was cross-posted'.
But, since you have invaded the religious groups with your
proselytizing,
Whoa! let's get a few thing straight. Atheism is not a religion. The
'theists' of the world are trying to club people into submission with the
ridiculous and *unproven* claim that something called 'God' exists. A theist
came out with that assertion sometime in man's distant past and he and every
subsequent theist since have never been able to substantiate that claim. We
atheists have merely pointed this fact out and have demanded proof of what
you say. The *only* thing that you theists throw out, is the argument that
'faith' in 'God' is 'proof' and the obscene notion that we atheists have to
prove 'God' *doesn't* exist! In other words we have to 'prove' that an
imaginary creature *doesn't* exist! How retarded is *that*? And remember
this: Atheists are on 'defense' here. We just disbelieve what you say. We're
not, unlike *you* people, promoting *anything*. You guys are the one who are
on 'offense'! And believe you me, the stuff you guys (and gals) are trying
to impose on your fellow man is, indeed, *offensive*!
Greywolf
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| User: "SongBookz" |
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| Title: Re: If God Were Dead |
16 Jun 2006 02:20:37 PM |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:32:02 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"SongBookz" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:pig592t93u697pahf4vpjr2a777jq7mr6j@4ax.com...
On 16 Jun 2006 04:05:01 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
On 15 Jun 2006 00:21:02 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
If God Were Dead
"IF' ? you bloody fool.
There are thousands of gods, all of them imaginary
I posted this only to religious groups so you have nothing to complain
about other than you were just caught evangelizing your Athiest
Religion in religious groups.
How in the hell are we atheists going to get it through your thick skulls
that atheism is NOT a religion. Go to your bookshelf, pull out your
dictionary, look up the word 'religion' and ask *yourself* if atheism is a
'religion' in the normal, accepted way that word is commonly used. Add the
word 'religious' to the mix, and then get back to us and tell us with a
straight face that atheism is a 'religion'.
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism
is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious
mind cannot begin to understand.
And if you believe that, I have a couple bridges to sell.
The very fact that you were posting your atheistic proselytizing in
religious groups on threads that up-till-now had not been posted but
only to religious groups betrays the religious fervor of your
evangelism for an atheism that may or not be a religion to some, but
certainly, judging on your behavior, appears to be to you.
I know that this remark was not addressed to *this* atheist. But I have to
say that *no* atheist considers atheism a 'religion'. So the insinuation
that an atheist considers atheism a religion flys well off the mark. As for
atheists and their views ending up in 'Christian' -- and I'd like to know
*exactly* what that is, because you people can't even agree as to which
collection of books is the 'real' Bible -- newsgroups: remember that a lot
of 'cross-posting' goes on. So some of it is definitely not deliberate. (I
for one, with rare exceptions, post *only* in alt.atheism. If my
posts/messages end up in a 'Christian' newsgroup, it's more than likely
that's because it was cross-posted'.
But, since you have invaded the religious groups with your
proselytizing,
Whoa! let's get a few thing straight. Atheism is not a religion. The
'theists' of the world are trying to club people into submission with the
ridiculous and *unproven* claim that something called 'God' exists. A theist
came out with that assertion sometime in man's distant past and he and every
subsequent theist since have never been able to substantiate that claim. We
atheists have merely pointed this fact out and have demanded proof of what
you say. The *only* thing that you theists throw out, is the argument that
'faith' in 'God' is 'proof' and the obscene notion that we atheists have to
prove 'God' *doesn't* exist! In other words we have to 'prove' that an
imaginary creature *doesn't* exist! How retarded is *that*? And remember
this: Atheists are on 'defense' here. We just disbelieve what you say. We're
not, unlike *you* people, promoting *anything*. You guys are the one who are
on 'offense'! And believe you me, the stuff you guys (and gals) are trying
to impose on your fellow man is, indeed, *offensive*!
In THIS case, the athiest replied to a thread that only appeared in 2
religious groups - and, in THIS case, the person WAS proselytizing
which makes athiesm a religion FOR THIS person.
Although (as an aside), one definition of religion is "a cause,
principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith" and not
all religions have a diety - thus, there are various religions one can
subscribe to, but ultimately, everyone subscribes to their own
religion of one since no two people have the exact same beliefs.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: If God Were Dead |
16 Jun 2006 11:11:41 PM |
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"SongBookz" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:32:02 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"SongBookz" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:pig592t93u697pahf4vpjr2a777jq7mr6j@4ax.com...
On 16 Jun 2006 04:05:01 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
On 15 Jun 2006 00:21:02 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
If God Were Dead
"IF' ? you bloody fool.
There are thousands of gods, all of them imaginary
I posted this only to religious groups so you have nothing to complain
about other than you were just caught evangelizing your Athiest
Religion in religious groups.
How in the hell are we atheists going to get it through your thick skulls
that atheism is NOT a religion. Go to your bookshelf, pull out your
dictionary, look up the word 'religion' and ask *yourself* if atheism is a
'religion' in the normal, accepted way that word is commonly used. Add the
word 'religious' to the mix, and then get back to us and tell us with a
straight face that atheism is a 'religion'.
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism
is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the
religious
mind cannot begin to understand.
And if you believe that, I have a couple bridges to sell.
The very fact that you were posting your atheistic proselytizing in
religious groups on threads that up-till-now had not been posted but
only to religious groups betrays the religious fervor of your
evangelism for an atheism that may or not be a religion to some, but
certainly, judging on your behavior, appears to be to you.
I know that this remark was not addressed to *this* atheist. But I have to
say that *no* atheist considers atheism a 'religion'. So the insinuation
that an atheist considers atheism a religion flys well off the mark. As
for
atheists and their views ending up in 'Christian' -- and I'd like to know
*exactly* what that is, because you people can't even agree as to which
collection of books is the 'real' Bible -- newsgroups: remember that a lot
of 'cross-posting' goes on. So some of it is definitely not deliberate. (I
for one, with rare exceptions, post *only* in alt.atheism. If my
posts/messages end up in a 'Christian' newsgroup, it's more than likely
that's because it was cross-posted'.
But, since you have invaded the religious groups with your
proselytizing,
Whoa! let's get a few thing straight. Atheism is not a religion. The
'theists' of the world are trying to club people into submission with the
ridiculous and *unproven* claim that something called 'God' exists. A
theist
came out with that assertion sometime in man's distant past and he and
every
subsequent theist since have never been able to substantiate that claim.
We
atheists have merely pointed this fact out and have demanded proof of what
you say. The *only* thing that you theists throw out, is the argument that
'faith' in 'God' is 'proof' and the obscene notion that we atheists have
to
prove 'God' *doesn't* exist! In other words we have to 'prove' that an
imaginary creature *doesn't* exist! How retarded is *that*? And remember
this: Atheists are on 'defense' here. We just disbelieve what you say.
We're
not, unlike *you* people, promoting *anything*. You guys are the one who
are
on 'offense'! And believe you me, the stuff you guys (and gals) are trying
to impose on your fellow man is, indeed, *offensive*!
In THIS case, the athiest replied to a thread that only appeared in 2
religious groups - and, in THIS case, the person WAS proselytizing
which makes athiesm a religion FOR THIS person.
It can't. Atheism is not a religion. If you have to go to the end of the
line in a dictionary to defend the term 'religion', you're being very
disengenuous. We both know that the accepted parlance of the word 'religion'
involves deity and the supernatural. You *know* that, for all intents and
purposes, the word 'religion' connotes belief in a 'God' or 'gods' of one
sort or another. It's useless to try and make 'atheism' into a religion. It
isn't. No more than 'gambling' is a 'religion'. You people 'worship and
adore' deity. Do we? You people go to a church and hold a collection of
books to be 'sacred'. Do we? So cut it out.
Although (as an aside), one definition of religion is "a cause,
principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith"
You will note that even in this 'sub-definition' of the word, it refers to a
'system of beliefs' held with ardor and faith'. I think you would agree here
that the underlying tone is one of belief in the mystical or the
supernatural -- which atheism is most certainly *not*.
and not
all religions have a diety - thus, there are various religions one can
subscribe to, but ultimately, everyone subscribes to their own
religion of one since no two people have the exact same beliefs.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
I would just add to this that 'belief', however strong it may be, does not
necessarily equal 'truth'.
Greywolf
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| User: "SongBookz" |
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| Title: Re: If God Were Dead |
17 Jun 2006 12:15:59 AM |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 23:11:41 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"SongBookz" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:am06921las9lce7i2d2gpr4rl3pjbq7dd0@4ax.com...
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:32:02 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"SongBookz" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:pig592t93u697pahf4vpjr2a777jq7mr6j@4ax.com...
On 16 Jun 2006 04:05:01 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
On 15 Jun 2006 00:21:02 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
If God Were Dead
"IF' ? you bloody fool.
There are thousands of gods, all of them imaginary
I posted this only to religious groups so you have nothing to complain
about other than you were just caught evangelizing your Athiest
Religion in religious groups.
How in the hell are we atheists going to get it through your thick skulls
that atheism is NOT a religion. Go to your bookshelf, pull out your
dictionary, look up the word 'religion' and ask *yourself* if atheism is a
'religion' in the normal, accepted way that word is commonly used. Add the
word 'religious' to the mix, and then get back to us and tell us with a
straight face that atheism is a 'religion'.
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism
is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the
religious
mind cannot begin to understand.
And if you believe that, I have a couple bridges to sell.
The very fact that you were posting your atheistic proselytizing in
religious groups on threads that up-till-now had not been posted but
only to religious groups betrays the religious fervor of your
evangelism for an atheism that may or not be a religion to some, but
certainly, judging on your behavior, appears to be to you.
I know that this remark was not addressed to *this* atheist. But I have to
say that *no* atheist considers atheism a 'religion'. So the insinuation
that an atheist considers atheism a religion flys well off the mark. As
for
atheists and their views ending up in 'Christian' -- and I'd like to know
*exactly* what that is, because you people can't even agree as to which
collection of books is the 'real' Bible -- newsgroups: remember that a lot
of 'cross-posting' goes on. So some of it is definitely not deliberate. (I
for one, with rare exceptions, post *only* in alt.atheism. If my
posts/messages end up in a 'Christian' newsgroup, it's more than likely
that's because it was cross-posted'.
But, since you have invaded the religious groups with your
proselytizing,
Whoa! let's get a few thing straight. Atheism is not a religion. The
'theists' of the world are trying to club people into submission with the
ridiculous and *unproven* claim that something called 'God' exists. A
theist
came out with that assertion sometime in man's distant past and he and
every
subsequent theist since have never been able to substantiate that claim.
We
atheists have merely pointed this fact out and have demanded proof of what
you say. The *only* thing that you theists throw out, is the argument that
'faith' in 'God' is 'proof' and the obscene notion that we atheists have
to
prove 'God' *doesn't* exist! In other words we have to 'prove' that an
imaginary creature *doesn't* exist! How retarded is *that*? And remember
this: Atheists are on 'defense' here. We just disbelieve what you say.
We're
not, unlike *you* people, promoting *anything*. You guys are the one who
are
on 'offense'! And believe you me, the stuff you guys (and gals) are trying
to impose on your fellow man is, indeed, *offensive*!
In THIS case, the athiest replied to a thread that only appeared in 2
religious groups - and, in THIS case, the person WAS proselytizing
which makes athiesm a religion FOR THIS person.
It can't. Atheism is not a religion. If you have to go to the end of the
line in a dictionary to defend the term 'religion', you're being very
disengenuous. We both know that the accepted parlance of the word 'religion'
involves deity and the supernatural. You *know* that, for all intents and
purposes, the word 'religion' connotes belief in a 'God' or 'gods' of one
sort or another. It's useless to try and make 'atheism' into a religion. It
isn't. No more than 'gambling' is a 'religion'. You people 'worship and
adore' deity. Do we? You people go to a church and hold a collection of
books to be 'sacred'. Do we? So cut it out.
Religion does not require a diety as in Zen.
Although (as an aside), one definition of religion is "a cause,
principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith"
You will note that even in this 'sub-definition' of the word, it refers to a
'system of beliefs' held with ardor and faith'. I think you would agree here
that the underlying tone is one of belief in the mystical or the
supernatural -- which atheism is most certainly *not*.
Not what it says - there are certain core beliefs in atheism that most
atheists subscribe to, such as evolution (which many Thiests also
believe in), for example. The ardor in the responses in this thread
also point out the religious nature of atheism. But the ultimate
proof of atheism as a religion is in the proselytizing of atheism in
religious groups. If atheism were not a religion, there would be no
motivation to proselyyze others.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
and not
all religions have a diety - thus, there are various religions one can
subscribe to, but ultimately, everyone subscribes to their own
religion of one since no two people have the exact same beliefs.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
I would just add to this that 'belief', however strong it may be, does not
necessarily equal 'truth'.
Greywolf
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: If God Were Dead |
17 Jun 2006 12:51:46 AM |
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In <hc3792pnkf4vpb5jma2q3n1k6lntiqor53@4ax.com>, on 06/17/06
at 05:15 AM, SongBookz <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> said:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 23:11:41 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
snipped to reduce wasted bandwidth
It can't. Atheism is not a religion. If you have to go to the end of the
line in a dictionary to defend the term 'religion', you're being very
disengenuous. We both know that the accepted parlance of the word 'religion'
involves deity and the supernatural. You *know* that, for all intents and
purposes, the word 'religion' connotes belief in a 'God' or 'gods' of one
sort or another. It's useless to try and make 'atheism' into a religion. It
isn't. No more than 'gambling' is a 'religion'. You people 'worship and
adore' deity. Do we? You people go to a church and hold a collection of
books to be 'sacred'. Do we? So cut it out.
Religion does not require a diety as in Zen.
& some sects of Buddhism, but the rule of thumb is that religion is about
gods. Or god like behaviour [not always the good ones like Kerunnos[sp?]
either]
Although (as an aside), one definition of religion is "a cause,
principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith"
You will note that even in this 'sub-definition' of the word, it refers to a
'system of beliefs' held with ardor and faith'. I think you would agree here
that the underlying tone is one of belief in the mystical or the
supernatural -- which atheism is most certainly *not*.
Not what it says - there are certain core beliefs in atheism that most
atheists subscribe to, such as evolution (which many Thiests also believe
Core beliefs, plural. There is just one requirement for atheism, a lack of
belief in the gods claimed by humanity. You do realise that you too are an
atheist, don't you? Unless you believe in every god, goddess, major &
minor, you are an atheist. Or are you under the impression that only your
gods are allowed to be ignored?
in), for example. The ardor in the responses in this thread also point
out the religious nature of atheism. But the ultimate proof of atheism
Not really, but it does show that atheists are willing to stand up & be
counted. Of course, it is human nature to see as faults in others, what we
pride ourselves on doing. Such as claiming to be in a position to speak
for everyone else. You see, atheists, like everyone else, pretty much know
who they are, they just lack the religious trappings & don't miss them.
as a religion is in the proselytizing of atheism in religious groups. If
atheism were not a religion, there would be no motivation to proselyyze
proselytizing
Convert to another faith or religion
Or do you have a different definition you prefer?
Care to show me this proselytizing. Not your version of it either thank
you very much. For you it could be no more than the mentioning of your
missing messiah. Now where have atheists told xians they need to get with
it & change their way of living, or be tortured for eternity for their own
good? I haved yet to see atheists, or any atgheist come to that, tell yolu
or any otgher bleater they need to convedrt to another god belief.
others.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
walksalone who suspects that Terrell is out of his depth, & is starting to
realise it.
snip
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There is a point beyond which even justice becomes unjust.
Sophocles, Electra
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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| Title: Re: If God Were Dead |
17 Jun 2006 12:49:21 AM |
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 05:15:59 GMT, SongBookz
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 23:11:41 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"SongBookz" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:32:02 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"SongBookz" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:pig592t93u697pahf4vpjr2a777jq7mr6j@4ax.com...
On 16 Jun 2006 04:05:01 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
On 15 Jun 2006 00:21:02 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
If God Were Dead
"IF' ? you bloody fool.
There are thousands of gods, all of them imaginary
I posted this only to religious groups so you have nothing to complain
about other than you were just caught evangelizing your Athiest
Religion in religious groups.
How in the hell are we atheists going to get it through your thick skulls
that atheism is NOT a religion. Go to your bookshelf, pull out your
dictionary, look up the word 'religion' and ask *yourself* if atheism is a
'religion' in the normal, accepted way that word is commonly used. Add the
word 'religious' to the mix, and then get back to us and tell us with a
straight face that atheism is a 'religion'.
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism
is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the
religious
mind cannot begin to understand.
And if you believe that, I have a couple bridges to sell.
The very fact that you were posting your atheistic proselytizing in
religious groups on threads that up-till-now had not been posted but
only to religious groups betrays the religious fervor of your
evangelism for an atheism that may or not be a religion to some, but
certainly, judging on your behavior, appears to be to you.
I know that this remark was not addressed to *this* atheist. But I have to
say that *no* atheist considers atheism a 'religion'. So the insinuation
that an atheist considers atheism a religion flys well off the mark. As
for
atheists and their views ending up in 'Christian' -- and I'd like to know
*exactly* what that is, because you people can't even agree as to which
collection of books is the 'real' Bible -- newsgroups: remember that a lot
of 'cross-posting' goes on. So some of it is definitely not deliberate. (I
for one, with rare exceptions, post *only* in alt.atheism. If my
posts/messages end up in a 'Christian' newsgroup, it's more than likely
that's because it was cross-posted'.
But, since you have invaded the religious groups with your
proselytizing,
Whoa! let's get a few thing straight. Atheism is not a religion. The
'theists' of the world are trying to club people into submission with the
ridiculous and *unproven* claim that something called 'God' exists. A
theist
came out with that assertion sometime in man's distant past and he and
every
subsequent theist since have never been able to substantiate that claim.
We
atheists have merely pointed this fact out and have demanded proof of what
you say. The *only* thing that you theists throw out, is the argument that
'faith' in 'God' is 'proof' and the obscene notion that we atheists have
to
prove 'God' *doesn't* exist! In other words we have to 'prove' that an
imaginary creature *doesn't* exist! How retarded is *that*? And remember
this: Atheists are on 'defense' here. We just disbelieve what you say.
We're
not, unlike *you* people, promoting *anything*. You guys are the one who
are
on 'offense'! And believe you me, the stuff you guys (and gals) are trying
to impose on your fellow man is, indeed, *offensive*!
In THIS case, the athiest replied to a thread that only appeared in 2
religious groups - and, in THIS case, the person WAS proselytizing
which makes athiesm a religion FOR THIS person.
It can't. Atheism is not a religion. If you have to go to the end of the
line in a dictionary to defend the term 'religion', you're being very
disengenuous. We both know that the accepted parlance of the word 'religion'
involves deity and the supernatural. You *know* that, for all intents and
purposes, the word 'religion' connotes belief in a 'God' or 'gods' of one
sort or another. It's useless to try and make 'atheism' into a religion. It
isn't. No more than 'gambling' is a 'religion'. You people 'worship and
adore' deity. Do we? You people go to a church and hold a collection of
books to be 'sacred'. Do we? So cut it out.
Religion does not require a diety as in Zen.
Although (as an aside), one definition of religion is "a cause,
principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith"
You will note that even in this 'sub-definition' of the word, it refers to a
'system of beliefs' held with ardor and faith'. I think you would agree here
that the underlying tone is one of belief in the mystical or the
supernatural -- which atheism is most certainly *not*.
Not what it says - there are certain core beliefs in atheism that most
atheists subscribe to, such as evolution (which many Thiests also
believe in), for example. The ardor in the responses in this thread
also point out the religious nature of atheism. But the ultimate
proof of atheism as a religion is in the proselytizing of atheism in
religious groups. If atheism were not a religion, there would be no
motivation to proselyyze others.
You're kidding! You mean to say that there are atheists that hang out
in free.christians to catch Christians messing up so that they can say
how much better atheism is? Or, that there are atheists that preach
very religiously that the Bible is not true and that there are
apparent contradictions in the Bible? Or, that there are atheists
that would take every chance they get to preach that there is no God?
But I guess "stop being Christian and join our club" is not
proseltyzing just like being atheist number so and so is not part of a
religious ritual. Be kind, Terrell, their religion demands denial.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
and not
all religions have a diety - thus, there are various religions one can
subscribe to, but ultimately, everyone subscribes to their own
religion of one since no two people have the exact same beliefs.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
I would just add to this that 'belief', however strong it may be, does not
necessarily equal 'truth'.
Greywolf
......
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
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17 Jun 2006 10:42:43 AM |
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"Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 05:15:59 GMT, SongBookz
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 23:11:41 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"SongBookz" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:32:02 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"SongBookz" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:pig592t93u697pahf4vpjr2a777jq7mr6j@4ax.com...
On 16 Jun 2006 04:05:01 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
On 15 Jun 2006 00:21:02 -0500, bob young
<alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
If God Were Dead
"IF' ? you bloody fool.
There are thousands of gods, all of them imaginary
I posted this only to religious groups so you have nothing to
complain
about other than you were just caught evangelizing your Athiest
Religion in religious groups.
How in the hell are we atheists going to get it through your thick
skulls
that atheism is NOT a religion. Go to your bookshelf, pull out your
dictionary, look up the word 'religion' and ask *yourself* if atheism
is a
'religion' in the normal, accepted way that word is commonly used. Add
the
word 'religious' to the mix, and then get back to us and tell us with a
straight face that atheism is a 'religion'.
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom.
Atheism
is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the
religious
mind cannot begin to understand.
And if you believe that, I have a couple bridges to sell.
The very fact that you were posting your atheistic proselytizing in
religious groups on threads that up-till-now had not been posted but
only to religious groups betrays the religious fervor of your
evangelism for an atheism that may or not be a religion to some, but
certainly, judging on your behavior, appears to be to you.
I know that this remark was not addressed to *this* atheist. But I have
to
say that *no* atheist considers atheism a 'religion'. So the
insinuation
that an atheist considers atheism a religion flys well off the mark. As
for
atheists and their views ending up in 'Christian' -- and I'd like to
know
*exactly* what that is, because you people can't even agree as to which
collection of books is the 'real' Bible -- newsgroups: remember that a
lot
of 'cross-posting' goes on. So some of it is definitely not deliberate.
(I
for one, with rare exceptions, post *only* in alt.atheism. If my
posts/messages end up in a 'Christian' newsgroup, it's more than likely
that's because it was cross-posted'.
But, since you have invaded the religious groups with your
proselytizing,
Whoa! let's get a few thing straight. Atheism is not a religion. The
'theists' of the world are trying to club people into submission with
the
ridiculous and *unproven* claim that something called 'God' exists. A
theist
came out with that assertion sometime in man's distant past and he and
every
subsequent theist since have never been able to substantiate that
claim.
We
atheists have merely pointed this fact out and have demanded proof of
what
you say. The *only* thing that you theists throw out, is the argument
that
'faith' in 'God' is 'proof' and the obscene notion that we atheists
have
to
prove 'God' *doesn't* exist! In other words we have to 'prove' that an
imaginary creature *doesn't* exist! How retarded is *that*? And
remember
this: Atheists are on 'defense' here. We just disbelieve what you say.
We're
not, unlike *you* people, promoting *anything*. You guys are the one
who
are
on 'offense'! And believe you me, the stuff you guys (and gals) are
trying
to impose on your fellow man is, indeed, *offensive*!
In THIS case, the athiest replied to a thread that only appeared in 2
religious groups - and, in THIS case, the person WAS proselytizing
which makes athiesm a religion FOR THIS person.
It can't. Atheism is not a religion. If you have to go to the end of the
line in a dictionary to defend the term 'religion', you're being very
disengenuous. We both know that the accepted parlance of the word
'religion'
involves deity and the supernatural. You *know* that, for all intents and
purposes, the word 'religion' connotes belief in a 'God' or 'gods' of one
sort or another. It's useless to try and make 'atheism' into a religion.
It
isn't. No more than 'gambling' is a 'religion'. You people 'worship and
adore' deity. Do we? You people go to a church and hold a collection of
books to be 'sacred'. Do we? So cut it out.
Religion does not require a diety as in Zen.
Although (as an aside), one definition of religion is "a cause,
principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith"
You will note that even in this 'sub-definition' of the word, it refers
to a
'system of beliefs' held with ardor and faith'. I think you would agree
here
that the underlying tone is one of belief in the mystical or the
supernatural -- which atheism is most certainly *not*.
Not what it says - there are certain core beliefs in atheism that most
atheists subscribe to, such as evolution (which many Thiests also
believe in), for example. The ardor in the responses in this thread
also point out the religious nature of atheism. But the ultimate
proof of atheism as a religion is in the proselytizing of atheism in
religious groups. If atheism were not a religion, there would be no
motivation to proselyyze others.
You're kidding! You mean to say that there are atheists that hang out
in free.christians to catch Christians messing up so that they can say
how much better atheism is? Or, that there are atheists that preach
very religiously that the Bible is not true and that there are
apparent contradictions in the Bible? Or, that there are atheists
that would take every chance they get to preach that there is no God?
But I guess "stop being Christian and join our club" is not
proseltyzing just like being atheist number so and so is not part of a
religious ritual. Be kind, Terrell, their religion demands denial.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
I would have to say that if there are atheists 'hanging out' in Christian
newsgroups for the sole purpose of badgering them, or brow-beating
Christians for no other reason to be 'mean', *that*, in my opinion, would be
wrong. If they are there because some Christian made some moronic statement
about atheists, or if they are there for the purpose in engaging in a truly
intellectual discussion and the Christians get all upset because their
belief-system is being challenged, well, that's another story.
Now I noticed you said, 'so that they can say how much *better* [emphasis
mine] atheism is ...' I don't think that's actually the case. If I were a
betting man, I'd bet the atheists were trying to indicate how much closer to
the 'truth' about our existence atheism is as compared to theism. When you
say 'preach very religiously', I take it to mean its another way of saying
that they 'defend' atheism passionately. Atheism is no more a 'religion'
than non-belief in Santa Claus is. And there *are* contradictions in the
bible, are there not?
As for atheists *preaching* there is no 'God'. I don't know what to say
about that. 'Preaching' is in the eye of the beholder. It goes back to the
very point that you theists maintain that 'God' exists without the slightest
bit of proof that he does. If someone calls you 'out on the carpet' about
all this, is that *really* 'preaching'? And I have to say, your remark about
'stop being a Christian and join *our* club' seems a little over-the-top
too. Keep in mind that atheist newsgroups and forums are designed for us
atheists to 'meet' and discuss atheist-related issues. In that sense the
word 'club' is appropriate. But so what? Isn't that what a Christian
newsgroup or forum is as well?
The difference between our 'clubs' is that your side actively goes out and
tries to subdue people into worshiping and adoring 'Jesus/God'. You guys are
the ones on 'offense'. We atheists have traditionally played 'defense'. But
with the aggressive (and unwanted) assault of religionists in this country
on their fellow citizens and institutions, that may change. And perhaps it
*should*. You guys have *nothing* to back up your preposterous claims. And
in an all-out public 'debate', that would be exposed - BIG TIME! The theists
have had a monologue so far with the citizens of this country. It's time we
had a highly visible presence and the right people to present the 'other'
side of this 'debate' to the public-at-large and let the public determine
who is right or wrong in all this. To date, the theists have had the stage
all to themselves. Its time the public hear something from someone else for
a change. There *are* two sides to a story, you know.
Greywolf
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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| Title: Re: If God Were Dead |
17 Jun 2006 09:28:41 PM |
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:42:43 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 05:15:59 GMT, SongBookz
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 23:11:41 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"SongBookz" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:am06921las9lce7i2d2gpr4rl3pjbq7dd0@4ax.com...
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:32:02 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"SongBookz" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:pig592t93u697pahf4vpjr2a777jq7mr6j@4ax.com...
On 16 Jun 2006 04:05:01 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
On 15 Jun 2006 00:21:02 -0500, bob young
<alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
If God Were Dead
"IF' ? you bloody fool.
There are thousands of gods, all of them imaginary
I posted this only to religious groups so you have nothing to
complain
about other than you were just caught evangelizing your Athiest
Religion in religious groups.
How in the hell are we atheists going to get it through your thick
skulls
that atheism is NOT a religion. Go to your bookshelf, pull out your
dictionary, look up the word 'religion' and ask *yourself* if atheism
is a
'religion' in the normal, accepted way that word is commonly used. Add
the
word 'religious' to the mix, and then get back to us and tell us with a
straight face that atheism is a 'religion'.
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom.
Atheism
is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the
religious
mind cannot begin to understand.
And if you believe that, I have a couple bridges to sell.
The very fact that you were posting your atheistic proselytizing in
religious groups on threads that up-till-now had not been posted but
only to religious groups betrays the religious fervor of your
evangelism for an atheism that may or not be a religion to some, but
certainly, judging on your behavior, appears to be to you.
I know that this remark was not addressed to *this* atheist. But I have
to
say that *no* atheist considers atheism a 'religion'. So the
insinuation
that an atheist considers atheism a religion flys well off the mark. As
for
atheists and their views ending up in 'Christian' -- and I'd like to
know
*exactly* what that is, because you people can't even agree as to which
collection of books is the 'real' Bible -- newsgroups: remember that a
lot
of 'cross-posting' goes on. So some of it is definitely not deliberate.
(I
for one, with rare exceptions, post *only* in alt.atheism. If my
posts/messages end up in a 'Christian' newsgroup, it's more than likely
that's because it was cross-posted'.
But, since you have invaded the religious groups with your
proselytizing,
Whoa! let's get a few thing straight. Atheism is not a religion. The
'theists' of the world are trying to club people into submission with
the
ridiculous and *unproven* claim that something called 'God' exists. A
theist
came out with that assertion sometime in man's distant past and he and
every
subsequent theist since have never been able to substantiate that
claim.
We
atheists have merely pointed this fact out and have demanded proof of
what
you say. The *only* thing that you theists throw out, is the argument
that
'faith' in 'God' is 'proof' and the obscene notion that we atheists
have
to
prove 'God' *doesn't* exist! In other words we have to 'prove' that an
imaginary creature *doesn't* exist! How retarded is *that*? And
remember
this: Atheists are on 'defense' here. We just disbelieve what you say.
We're
not, unlike *you* people, promoting *anything*. You guys are the one
who
are
on 'offense'! And believe you me, the stuff you guys (and gals) are
trying
to impose on your fellow man is, indeed, *offensive*!
In THIS case, the athiest replied to a thread that only appeared in 2
religious groups - and, in THIS case, the person WAS proselytizing
which makes athiesm a religion FOR THIS person.
It can't. Atheism is not a religion. If you have to go to the end of the
line in a dictionary to defend the term 'religion', you're being very
disengenuous. We both know that the accepted parlance of the word
'religion'
involves deity and the supernatural. You *know* that, for all intents and
purposes, the word 'religion' connotes belief in a 'God' or 'gods' of one
sort or another. It's useless to try and make 'atheism' into a religion.
It
isn't. No more than 'gambling' is a 'religion'. You people 'worship and
adore' deity. Do we? You people go to a church and hold a collection of
books to be 'sacred'. Do we? So cut it out.
Religion does not require a diety as in Zen.
Although (as an aside), one definition of religion is "a cause,
principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith"
You will note that even in this 'sub-definition' of the word, it refers
to a
'system of beliefs' held with ardor and faith'. I think you would agree
here
that the underlying tone is one of belief in the mystical or the
supernatural -- which atheism is most certainly *not*.
Not what it says - there are certain core beliefs in atheism that most
atheists subscribe to, such as evolution (which many Thiests also
believe in), for example. The ardor in the responses in this thread
also point out the religious nature of atheism. But the ultimate
proof of atheism as a religion is in the proselytizing of atheism in
religious groups. If atheism were not a religion, there would be no
motivation to proselyyze others.
You're kidding! You mean to say that there are atheists that hang out
in free.christians to catch Christians messing up so that they can say
how much better atheism is? Or, that there are atheists that preach
very religiously that the Bible is not true and that there are
apparent contradictions in the Bible? Or, that there are atheists
that would take every chance they get to preach that there is no God?
But I guess "stop being Christian and join our club" is not
proseltyzing just like being atheist number so and so is not part of a
religious ritual. Be kind, Terrell, their religion demands denial.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
I would have to say that if there are atheists 'hanging out' in Christian
newsgroups for the sole purpose of badgering them, or brow-beating
Christians for no other reason to be 'mean', *that*, in my opinion, would be
wrong. If they are there because some Christian made some moronic statement
about atheists, or if they are there for the purpose in engaging in a truly
intellectual discussion and the Christians get all upset because their
belief-system is being challenged, well, that's another story.
Now I noticed you said, 'so that they can say how much *better* [emphasis
mine] atheism is ...' I don't think that's actually the case. If I were a
betting man, I'd bet the atheists were trying to indicate how much closer to
the 'truth' about our existence atheism is as compared to theism. When you
say 'preach very religiously', I take it to mean its another way of saying
that they 'defend' atheism passionately. Atheism is no more a 'religion'
than non-belief in Santa Claus is. And there *are* contradictions in the
bible, are there not?
As for atheists *preaching* there is no 'God'. I don't know what to say
about that. 'Preaching' is in the eye of the beholder. It goes back to the
very point that you theists maintain that 'God' exists without the slightest
bit of proof that he does. If someone calls you 'out on the carpet' about
all this, is that *really* 'preaching'? And I have to say, your remark about
'stop being a Christian and join *our* club' seems a little over-the-top
too. Keep in mind that atheist newsgroups and forums are designed for us
atheists to 'meet' and discuss atheist-related issues. In that sense the
word 'club' is appropriate. But so what? Isn't that what a Christian
newsgroup or forum is as well?
The difference between our 'clubs' is that your side actively goes out and
tries to subdue people into worshiping and adoring 'Jesus/God'. You guys are
the ones on 'offense'. We atheists have traditionally played 'defense'. But
with the aggressive (and unwanted) assault of religionists in this country
on their fellow citizens and institutions, that may change. And perhaps it
*should*. You guys have *nothing* to back up your preposterous claims. And
in an all-out public 'debate', that would be exposed - BIG TIME! The theists
have had a monologue so far with the citizens of this country. It's time we
had a highly visible presence and the right people to present the 'other'
side of this 'debate' to the public-at-large and let the public determine
who is right or wrong in all this. To date, the theists have had the stage
all to themselves. Its time the public hear something from someone else for
a change. There *are* two sides to a story, you know.
Greywolf
Greywolf,
Well written. You made some good points which I happen to agree with.
It may be that atheists think that their version of the truth is
better than the Christian version; if for no other reason than that
the Christian version is not clearly defined by most of those who call
themselves Christian. One Christian says this and another says that
and both can not be right.
Many atheists are not Christians (disciples of Christ) but were saved
earlier in life and according to the Scriptures are still saved. Some
of them became disillusioned by the false doctrines they were taught
that did not make sense. I can relate to them (I was an atheist
before I got saved) because I was and still am a truth seeker which as
you say unites atheists more than non-belief in a god.
I communicate respecftully with atheists as a general rule because
they are seekers of truth. But some atheists are like some
Christians; their version of truth settles the issue. There are some
atheists that I communicate with regularly on the newsgroups that I
have a lot of respect for even though I strongly disagree with much of
what they say. Some atheists can get just as petty as Christians do.
My own pet peeve is those who snip context out of a post out of spite
or to censor a poster.
I will disagree with you on whether atheism is a religion. In it's
purest form; it probably isn't. But atheism is what atheists do and
when atheists try to convert people from one philosophy or beleif
system or religion to theirs; that is proseltyzing. Not ALL atheists
post to newsgroups. Not ALL Christians post to newsgroups. Some
people have better things to do than to write posts on newsgroups. So
we are talking in the context of those atheists and those Christians
that post to newsgroups and in those two groups there are people that
"witness their faith."
I could argue that some atheists are also on the offense.
......
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
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| Title: Re: If God Were Dead |
17 Jun 2006 10:57:43 AM |
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:42:43 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
I would have to say that if there are atheists 'hanging out' in Christian
newsgroups for the sole purpose of badgering them, or brow-beating
Christians for no other reason to be 'mean', *that*, in my opinion, would be
wrong.
Thank you ... that was the case in this thread.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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| Title: Re: If God Were Dead |
16 Jun 2006 02:43:51 PM |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:20:37 GMT, SongBookz
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:32:02 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"SongBookz" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:pig592t93u697pahf4vpjr2a777jq7mr6j@4ax.com...
On 16 Jun 2006 04:05:01 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
On 15 Jun 2006 00:21:02 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
If God Were Dead
"IF' ? you bloody fool.
There are thousands of gods, all of them imaginary
I posted this only to religious groups so you have nothing to complain
about other than you were just caught evangelizing your Athiest
Religion in religious groups.
How in the hell are we atheists going to get it through your thick skulls
that atheism is NOT a religion. Go to your bookshelf, pull out your
dictionary, look up the word 'religion' and ask *yourself* if atheism is a
'religion' in the normal, accepted way that word is commonly used. Add the
word 'religious' to the mix, and then get back to us and tell us with a
straight face that atheism is a 'religion'.
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism
is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious
mind cannot begin to understand.
And if you believe that, I have a couple bridges to sell.
The very fact that you were posting your atheistic proselytizing in
religious groups on threads that up-till-now had not been posted but
only to religious groups betrays the religious fervor of your
evangelism for an atheism that may or not be a religion to some, but
certainly, judging on your behavior, appears to be to you.
I know that this remark was not addressed to *this* atheist. But I have to
say that *no* atheist considers atheism a 'religion'. So the insinuation
that an atheist considers atheism a religion flys well off the mark. As for
atheists and their views ending up in 'Christian' -- and I'd like to know
*exactly* what that is, because you people can't even agree as to which
collection of books is the 'real' Bible -- newsgroups: remember that a lot
of 'cross-posting' goes on. So some of it is definitely not deliberate. (I
for one, with rare exceptions, post *only* in alt.atheism. If my
posts/messages end up in a 'Christian' newsgroup, it's more than likely
that's because it was cross-posted'.
But, since you have invaded the religious groups with your
proselytizing,
Whoa! let's get a few thing straight. Atheism is not a religion. The
'theists' of the world are trying to club people into submission with the
ridiculous and *unproven* claim that something called 'God' exists. A theist
came out with that assertion sometime in man's distant past and he and every
subsequent theist since have never been able to substantiate that claim. We
atheists have merely pointed this fact out and have demanded proof of what
you say. The *only* thing that you theists throw out, is the argument that
'faith' in 'God' is 'proof' and the obscene notion that we atheists have to
prove 'God' *doesn't* exist! In other words we have to 'prove' that an
imaginary creature *doesn't* exist! How retarded is *that*? And remember
this: Atheists are on 'defense' here. We just disbelieve what you say. We're
not, unlike *you* people, promoting *anything*. You guys are the one who are
on 'offense'! And believe you me, the stuff you guys (and gals) are trying
to impose on your fellow man is, indeed, *offensive*!
In THIS case, the athiest replied to a thread that only appeared in 2
religious groups - and, in THIS case, the person WAS proselytizing
which makes athiesm a religion FOR THIS person.
Although (as an aside), one definition of religion is "a cause,
principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith" and not
all religions have a diety - thus, there are various religions one can
subscribe to, but ultimately, everyone subscribes to their own
religion of one since no two people have the exact same beliefs.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
Bummer. Don't you just hate it when people evangelize? Especially,
fundamentalists atheist evangelists?
......
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: If God Were Dead |
16 Jun 2006 11:30:14 PM |
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"Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:20:37 GMT, SongBookz
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:32:02 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"SongBookz" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:pig592t93u697pahf4vpjr2a777jq7mr6j@4ax.com...
On 16 Jun 2006 04:05:01 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
On 15 Jun 2006 00:21:02 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
If God Were Dead
"IF' ? you bloody fool.
There are thousands of gods, all of them imaginary
I posted this only to religious groups so you have nothing to
complain
about other than you were just caught evangelizing your Athiest
Religion in religious groups.
How in the hell are we atheists going to get it through your thick skulls
that atheism is NOT a religion. Go to your bookshelf, pull out your
dictionary, look up the word 'religion' and ask *yourself* if atheism is
a
'religion' in the normal, accepted way that word is commonly used. Add
the
word 'religious' to the mix, and then get back to us and tell us with a
straight face that atheism is a 'religion'.
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism
is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the
religious
mind cannot begin to understand.
And if you believe that, I have a couple bridges to sell.
The very fact that you were posting your atheistic proselytizing in
religious groups on threads that up-till-now had not been posted but
only to religious groups betrays the religious fervor of your
evangelism for an atheism that may or not be a religion to some, but
certainly, judging on your behavior, appears to be to you.
I know that this remark was not addressed to *this* atheist. But I have
to
say that *no* atheist considers atheism a 'religion'. So the insinuation
that an atheist considers atheism a religion flys well off the mark. As
for
atheists and their views ending up in 'Christian' -- and I'd like to know
*exactly* what that is, because you people can't even agree as to which
collection of books is the 'real' Bible -- newsgroups: remember that a
lot
of 'cross-posting' goes on. So some of it is definitely not deliberate.
(I
for one, with rare exceptions, post *only* in alt.atheism. If my
posts/messages end up in a 'Christian' newsgroup, it's more than likely
that's because it was cross-posted'.
But, since you have invaded the religious groups with your
proselytizing,
Whoa! let's get a few thing straight. Atheism is not a religion. The
'theists' of the world are trying to club people into submission with the
ridiculous and *unproven* claim that something called 'God' exists. A
theist
came out with that assertion sometime in man's distant past and he and
every
subsequent theist since have never been able to substantiate that claim.
We
atheists have merely pointed this fact out and have demanded proof of
what
you say. The *only* thing that you theists throw out, is the argument
that
'faith' in 'God' is 'proof' and the obscene notion that we atheists have
to
prove 'God' *doesn't* exist! In other words we have to 'prove' that an
imaginary creature *doesn't* exist! How retarded is *that*? And remember
this: Atheists are on 'defense' here. We just disbelieve what you say.
We're
not, unlike *you* people, promoting *anything*. You guys are the one who
are
on 'offense'! And believe you me, the stuff you guys (and gals) are
trying
to impose on your fellow man is, indeed, *offensive*!
In THIS case, the athiest replied to a thread that only appeared in 2
religious groups - and, in THIS case, the person WAS proselytizing
which makes athiesm a religion FOR THIS person.
Although (as an aside), one definition of religion is "a cause,
principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith" and not
all religions have a diety - thus, there are various religions one can
subscribe to, but ultimately, everyone subscribes to their own
religion of one since no two people have the exact same beliefs.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
Bummer. Don't you just hate it when people evangelize? Especially,
fundamentalists atheist evangelists?
.....
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Did you happen to notice where you posted your reply. No it's not
alt.praisePatRobertsonandhisbandoflooneytunes, its alt.atheism. I am
defending atheism, not promoting it. There *is* a difference, you know. And
that cutsie word you used to describe people like myself ...
'fundamentalists'. Hmmmm ... are they different from Catholic atheists, or
Lutheran atheists, or Anglican atheists? Explain that one for me, if you'd
please. I don't know what a 'fundamentalist' atheist is! I thought that
atheists simply maintain that this 'God' of yours doesn't exist. Why, have
you found a class of atheists that doubt even *more* than those who don't
believe in his existence at all?
Greywolf
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| User: "SongBookz" |
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| Title: Re: If God Were Dead |
16 Jun 2006 03:32:57 PM |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:43:51 GMT, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:20:37 GMT, SongBookz
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:32:02 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"SongBookz" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:pig592t93u697pahf4vpjr2a777jq7mr6j@4ax.com...
On 16 Jun 2006 04:05:01 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
On 15 Jun 2006 00:21:02 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
If God Were Dead
"IF' ? you bloody fool.
There are thousands of gods, all of them imaginary
I posted this only to religious groups so you have nothing to complain
about other than you were just caught evangelizing your Athiest
Religion in religious groups.
How in the hell are we atheists going to get it through your thick skulls
that atheism is NOT a religion. Go to your bookshelf, pull out your
dictionary, look up the word 'religion' and ask *yourself* if atheism is a
'religion' in the normal, accepted way that word is commonly used. Add the
word 'religious' to the mix, and then get back to us and tell us with a
straight face that atheism is a 'religion'.
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism
is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious
mind cannot begin to understand.
And if you believe that, I have a couple bridges to sell.
The very fact that you were posting your atheistic proselytizing in
religious groups on threads that up-till-now had not been posted but
only to religious groups betrays the religious fervor of your
evangelism for an atheism that may or not be a religion to some, but
certainly, judging on your behavior, appears to be to you.
I know that this remark was not addressed to *this* atheist. But I have to
say that *no* atheist considers atheism a 'religion'. So the insinuation
that an atheist considers atheism a religion flys well off the mark. As for
atheists and their views ending up in 'Christian' -- and I'd like to know
*exactly* what that is, because you people can't even agree as to which
collection of books is the 'real' Bible -- newsgroups: remember that a lot
of 'cross-posting' goes on. So some of it is definitely not deliberate. (I
for one, with rare exceptions, post *only* in alt.atheism. If my
posts/messages end up in a 'Christian' newsgroup, it's more than likely
that's because it was cross-posted'.
But, since you have invaded the religious groups with your
proselytizing,
Whoa! let's get a few thing straight. Atheism is not a religion. The
'theists' of the world are trying to club people into submission with the
ridiculous and *unproven* claim that something called 'God' exists. A theist
came out with that assertion sometime in man's distant past and he and every
subsequent theist since have never been able to substantiate that claim. We
atheists have merely pointed this fact out and have demanded proof of what
you say. The *only* thing that you theists throw out, is the argument that
'faith' in 'God' is 'proof' and the obscene notion that we atheists have to
prove 'God' *doesn't* exist! In other words we have to 'prove' that an
imaginary creature *doesn't* exist! How retarded is *that*? And remember
this: Atheists are on 'defense' here. We just disbelieve what you say. We're
not, unlike *you* people, promoting *anything*. You guys are the one who are
on 'offense'! And believe you me, the stuff you guys (and gals) are trying
to impose on your fellow man is, indeed, *offensive*!
In THIS case, the athiest replied to a thread that only appeared in 2
religious groups - and, in THIS case, the person WAS proselytizing
which makes athiesm a religion FOR THIS person.
Although (as an aside), one definition of religion is "a cause,
principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith" and not
all religions have a diety - thus, there are various religions one can
subscribe to, but ultimately, everyone subscribes to their own
religion of one since no two people have the exact same beliefs.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
Bummer. Don't you just hate it when people evangelize? Especially,
fundamentalists atheist evangelists?
No, I don't hate it, everyone has a right to their own belief and
opinions and they have the right to attempt to convince others of the
veracity of their beliefs - I don't have a problem with that. What I
do have a problem with is the hypocrisy of the atheists who do set
about attempting to convert people to their way of thinking and
bristle when I call it what it is - evangelizing and proselytizing.
If Atheism were not simply a deity-less religion, it wouldn't matter
what others believed - especially not to the point of jumping into a
thread discussing a religious poem and condemning the participates of
the discussion for being religious. A thread that was not posted into
alt.atheism until the atheist decided to be an ***** hole.
Now, I can certainly understand when atheists get pissed at some of
the more moronic Christians who post religious stuff into alt.atheism,
but once an atheist posts onto a Christian thread that was not posted
to them, it becomes on topic to shoot right back to them.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: If God Were Dead |
16 Jun 2006 11:59:26 PM |
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"SongBookz" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jc4692d7gseddavjkn4j3i8lc6kodp6rmu@4ax.com...
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:43:51 GMT, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:20:37 GMT, SongBookz
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:32:02 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"SongBookz" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:pig592t93u697pahf4vpjr2a777jq7mr6j@4ax.com...
On 16 Jun 2006 04:05:01 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
On 15 Jun 2006 00:21:02 -0500, bob young
<alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
If God Were Dead
"IF' ? you bloody fool.
There are thousands of gods, all of them imaginary
I posted this only to religious groups so you have nothing to
complain
about other than you were just caught evangelizing your Athiest
Religion in religious groups.
How in the hell are we atheists going to get it through your thick
skulls
that atheism is NOT a religion. Go to your bookshelf, pull out your
dictionary, look up the word 'religion' and ask *yourself* if atheism is
a
'religion' in the normal, accepted way that word is commonly used. Add
the
word 'religious' to the mix, and then get back to us and tell us with a
straight face that atheism is a 'religion'.
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom.
Atheism
is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the
religious
mind cannot begin to understand.
And if you believe that, I have a couple bridges to sell.
The very fact that you were posting your atheistic proselytizing in
religious groups on threads that up-till-now had not been posted but
only to religious groups betrays the religious fervor of your
evangelism for an atheism that may or not be a religion to some, but
certainly, judging on your behavior, appears to be to you.
I know that this remark was not addressed to *this* atheist. But I have
to
say that *no* atheist considers atheism a 'religion'. So the insinuation
that an atheist considers atheism a religion flys well off the mark. As
for
atheists and their views ending up in 'Christian' -- and I'd like to
know
*exactly* what that is, because you people can't even agree as to which
collection of books is the 'real' Bible -- newsgroups: remember that a
lot
of 'cross-posting' goes on. So some of it is definitely not deliberate.
(I
for one, with rare exceptions, post *only* in alt.atheism. If my
posts/messages end up in a 'Christian' newsgroup, it's more than likely
that's because it was cross-posted'.
But, since you have invaded the religious groups with your
proselytizing,
Whoa! let's get a few thing straight. Atheism is not a religion. The
'theists' of the world are trying to club people into submission with
the
ridiculous and *unproven* claim that something called 'God' exists. A
theist
came out with that assertion sometime in man's distant past and he and
every
subsequent theist since have never been able to substantiate that claim.
We
atheists have merely pointed this fact out and have demanded proof of
what
you say. The *only* thing that you theists throw out, is the argument
that
'faith' in 'God' is 'proof' and the obscene notion that we atheists have
to
prove 'God' *doesn't* exist! In other words we have to 'prove' that an
imaginary creature *doesn't* exist! How retarded is *that*? And remember
this: Atheists are on 'defense' here. We just disbelieve what you say.
We're
not, unlike *you* people, promoting *anything*. You guys are the one who
are
on 'offense'! And believe you me, the stuff you guys (and gals) are
trying
to impose on your fellow man is, indeed, *offensive*!
In THIS case, the athiest replied to a thread that only appeared in 2
religious groups - and, in THIS case, the person WAS proselytizing
which makes athiesm a religion FOR THIS person.
Although (as an aside), one definition of religion is "a cause,
principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith" and not
all religions have a diety - thus, there are various religions one can
subscribe to, but ultimately, everyone subscribes to their own
religion of one since no two people have the exact same beliefs.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
Bummer. Don't you just hate it when people evangelize? Especially,
fundamentalists atheist evangelists?
No, I don't hate it, everyone has a right to their own belief and
opinions and they have the right to attempt to convince others of the
veracity of their beliefs - I don't have a problem with that. What I
do have a problem with is the hypocrisy of the atheists who do set
about attempting to convert people to their way of thinking and
bristle when I call it what it is - evangelizing and proselytizing.
You're getting it all wrong. Some theist -- way back when -- pronounced that
something called 'God' exists. Theists since that time have maintained that
it was absolutely true. Along comes the skeptic/atheist and says, 'Hold on
here, where's the 'beef', where's proof of this alleged 'God'? Well, sad to
say, no proof has ever emerged for his existence. In fact the preponderance
of evidence says, 'No way, Jose!' So here is where we stand.
Now, when an atheist like myself says, 'There is absolutely NO evidence for
the existence of 'God", I am not really 'evangelizing and proselytizing'. I
am not 'promoting' atheism.
My mantra has always been, 'If you're going to call yourself a Christian,
*act* like one.' I actually used to *like* certain Christains in the past. I
cannot say that is true any longer. Because of the treatment I am receiving
at the hands of 'Christians' at the present time, I am actually growing to
*hate* them -- and rather intensely at that. (But that's another story.)
I don't think the 'defensive' position we take can hardly be called
'evangelizing' or 'proselytizing'.
If Atheism were not simply a deity-less religion, it wouldn't matter
what others believed - especially not to the point of jumping into a
thread discussing a religious poem and condemning the participates of
the discussion for being religious.
I certainly cannot condone *that* type of behavior. It is certainly
un-called for.
A thread that was not posted into
alt.atheism until the atheist decided to be an ***** hole.
I had a reply from a Jesus-freak once who thought I should be put to death
for my atheism. Should I judge all Jesus-freaks because of the Nazi
mentality (he referred to a concentration camp, if memory serves) of one
evangelical goof-ball? Hardly.
Now, I can certainly understand when atheists get pissed at some of
the more moronic Christians who post religious stuff into alt.atheism,
but once an atheist posts onto a Christian thread that was not posted
to them, it becomes on topic to shoot right back to them.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
It certainly doesn't speak well of atheists who behave badly. But I am sure
you're well aware that both our camps have our share of ill-mannered (that
would be me) and 'over-the-top types. We have to learn to be a little more
tolerant. Especially to those who exhibit the finest of what each side can
bring to the table.
Greywolf
(Now watch me go out and burn and pillage.)
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: If God Were Dead |
16 Jun 2006 03:38:37 PM |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:32:57 GMT, SongBookz
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:43:51 GMT, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:20:37 GMT, SongBookz
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:32:02 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"SongBookz" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:pig592t93u697pahf4vpjr2a777jq7mr6j@4ax.com...
On 16 Jun 2006 04:05:01 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
On 15 Jun 2006 00:21:02 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
If God Were Dead
"IF' ? you bloody fool.
There are thousands of gods, all of them imaginary
I posted this only to religious groups so you have nothing to complain
about other than you were just caught evangelizing your Athiest
Religion in religious groups.
How in the hell are we atheists going to get it through your thick skulls
that atheism is NOT a religion. Go to your bookshelf, pull out your
dictionary, look up the word 'religion' and ask *yourself* if atheism is a
'religion' in the normal, accepted way that word is commonly used. Add the
word 'religious' to the mix, and then get back to us and tell us with a
straight face that atheism is a 'religion'.
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism
is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious
mind cannot begin to understand.
And if you believe that, I have a couple bridges to sell.
The very fact that you were posting your atheistic proselytizing in
religious groups on threads that up-till-now had not been posted but
only to religious groups betrays the religious fervor of your
evangelism for an atheism that may or not be a religion to some, but
certainly, judging on your behavior, appears to be to you.
I know that this remark was not addressed to *this* atheist. But I have to
say that *no* atheist considers atheism a 'religion'. So the insinuation
that an atheist considers atheism a religion flys well off the mark. As for
atheists and their views ending up in 'Christian' -- and I'd like to know
*exactly* what that is, because you people can't even agree as to which
collection of books is the 'real' Bible -- newsgroups: remember that a lot
of 'cross-posting' goes on. So some of it is definitely not deliberate. (I
for one, with rare exceptions, post *only* in alt.atheism. If my
posts/messages end up in a 'Christian' newsgroup, it's more than likely
that's because it was cross-posted'.
But, since you have invaded the religious groups with your
proselytizing,
Whoa! let's get a few thing straight. Atheism is not a religion. The
'theists' of the world are trying to club people into submission with the
ridiculous and *unproven* claim that something called 'God' exists. A theist
came out with that assertion sometime in man's distant past and he and every
subsequent theist since have never been able to substantiate that claim. We
atheists have merely pointed this fact out and have demanded proof of what
you say. The *only* thing that you theists throw out, is the argument that
'faith' in 'God' is 'proof' and the obscene notion that we atheists have to
prove 'God' *doesn't* exist! In other words we have to 'prove' that an
imaginary creature *doesn't* exist! How retarded is *that*? And remember
this: Atheists are on 'defense' here. We just disbelieve what you say. We're
not, unlike *you* people, promoting *anything*. You guys are the one who are
on 'offense'! And believe you me, the stuff you guys (and gals) are trying
to impose on your fellow man is, indeed, *offensive*!
In THIS case, the athiest replied to a thread that only appeared in 2
religious groups - and, in THIS case, the person WAS proselytizing
which makes athiesm a religion FOR THIS person.
Although (as an aside), one definition of religion is "a cause,
principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith" and not
all religions have a diety - thus, there are various religions one can
subscribe to, but ultimately, everyone subscribes to their own
religion of one since no two people have the exact same beliefs.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
Bummer. Don't you just hate it when people evangelize? Especially,
fundamentalists atheist evangelists?
No, I don't hate it, everyone has a right to their own belief and
opinions and they have the right to attempt to convince others of the
veracity of their beliefs - I don't have a problem with that. What I
do have a problem with is the hypocrisy of the atheists who do set
about attempting to convert people to their way of thinking and
bristle when I call it what it is - evangelizing and proselytizing.
We have a problem with the mendacity and sheer nastiness of
brainwashed liars like You and Bob.
If Atheism were not simply a deity-less religion, it wouldn't matter
what others believed - especially not to the point of jumping into a
thread discussing a religious poem and condemning the participates of
the discussion for being religious. A thread that was not posted into
alt.atheism until the atheist decided to be an ***** hole.
It's no more a religion thannot believing in Santa Claus is, liar.
Now, I can certainly understand when atheists get pissed at some of
the more moronic Christians who post religious stuff into alt.atheism,
but once an atheist posts onto a Christian thread that was not posted
to them, it becomes on topic to shoot right back to them.
A hypocrite and a liar as well an an idiot.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
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| User: "SongBookz" |
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| Title: Re: If God Were Dead |
16 Jun 2006 04:14:51 PM |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:38:37 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:32:57 GMT, SongBookz
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:43:51 GMT, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:20:37 GMT, SongBookz
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:32:02 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"SongBookz" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:pig592t93u697pahf4vpjr2a777jq7mr6j@4ax.com...
On 16 Jun 2006 04:05:01 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
On 15 Jun 2006 00:21:02 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
SongBookz wrote:
If God Were Dead
"IF' ? you bloody fool.
There are thousands of gods, all of them imaginary
I posted this only to religious groups so you have nothing to complain
about other than you were just caught evangelizing your Athiest
Religion in religious groups.
How in the hell are we atheists going to get it through your thick skulls
that atheism is NOT a religion. Go to your bookshelf, pull out your
dictionary, look up the word 'religion' and ask *yourself* if atheism is a
'religion' in the normal, accepted way that word is commonly used. Add the
word 'religious' to the mix, and then get back to us and tell us with a
straight face that atheism is a 'religion'.
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism
is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious
mind cannot begin to understand.
And if you believe that, I have a couple bridges to sell.
The very fact that you were posting your atheistic proselytizing in
religious groups on threads that up-till-now had not been posted but
only to religious groups betrays the religious fervor of your
evangelism for an atheism that may or not be a religion to some, but
certainly, judging on your behavior, appears to be to you.
I know that this remark was not addressed to *this* atheist. But I have to
say that *no* atheist considers atheism a 'religion'. So the insinuation
that an atheist considers atheism a religion flys well off the mark. As for
atheists and their views ending up in 'Christian' -- and I'd like to know
*exactly* what that is, because you people can't even agree as to which
collection of books is the 'real' Bible -- newsgroups: remember that a lot
of 'cross-posting' goes on. So some of it is definitely not deliberate. (I
for one, with rare exceptions, post *only* in alt.atheism. If my
posts/messages end up in a 'Christian' newsgroup, it's more than likely
that's because it was cross-posted'.
But, since you have invaded the religious groups with your
proselytizing,
Whoa! let's get a few thing straight. Atheism is not a religion. The
'theists' of the world are trying to club people into submission with the
ridiculous and *unproven* claim that something called 'God' exists. A theist
came out with that assertion sometime in man's distant past and he and every
subsequent theist since have never been able to substantiate that claim. We
atheists have merely pointed this fact out and have demanded proof of what
you say. The *only* thing that you theists throw out, is the argument that
'faith' in 'God' is 'proof' and the obscene notion that we atheists have to
prove 'God' *doesn't* exist! In other words we have to 'prove' that an
imaginary creature *doesn't* exist! How retarded is *that*? And remember
this: Atheists are on 'defense' here. We just disbelieve what you say. We're
not, unlike *you* people, promoting *anything*. You guys are the one who are
on 'offense'! And believe you me, the stuff you guys (and gals) are trying
to impose on your fellow man is, indeed, *offensive*!
In THIS case, the athiest replied to a thread that only appeared in 2
religious groups - and, in THIS case, the person WAS proselytizing
which makes athiesm a religion FOR THIS person.
Although (as an aside), one definition of religion is "a cause,
principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith" and not
all religions have a diety - thus, there are various religions one can
subscribe to, but ultimately, everyone subscribes to their own
religion of one since no two people have the exact same beliefs.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
Bummer. Don't you just hate it when people evangelize? Especially,
fundamentalists atheist evangelists?
No, I don't hate it, everyone has a right to their own belief and
opinions and they have the right to attempt to convince others of the
veracity of their beliefs - I don't have a problem with that. What I
do have a problem with is the hypocrisy of the atheists who do set
about attempting to convert people to their way of thinking and
bristle when I call it what it is - evangelizing and proselytizing.
We have a problem with the mendacity and sheer nastiness of
brainwashed liars like You and Bob.
If Atheism were not simply a deity-less religion, it wouldn't matter
what others believed - especially not to the point of jumping into a
thread discussing a religious poem and condemning the participates of
the discussion for being religious. A thread that was not posted into
alt.atheism until the atheist decided to be an ***** hole.
It's no more a religion thannot believing in Santa Claus is, liar.
Now, I can certainly understand when atheists get pissed at some of
the more moronic Christians who post religious stuff into alt.atheism,
but once an atheist posts onto a Christian thread that was not posted
to them, it becomes on topic to shoot right back to them.
A hypocrite and a liar as well an an idiot.
Must be one of the Funnymentalist atheists, uses the same techniques
Funnymentalist Christians use when their vocabulary and reason fails.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
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