Larry Moran wrote:
On 18 Feb 2005 Paul J Gans <gans@panix.com> wrote:
ar <xxx+@pitt.edu> wrote:
Paul J Gans wrote:
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I'm just wondering if there might be a better approach to take.
I agree with you. I think that there are two problems.
First, we allow the creationists to fight on our turf.
So the entire time is spent defending evolution.
I think that the fight must be fought on their turf.
If they cannot present any proof,
Biology has the appearance of having been designed by intelligence.
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-36pqk2F55ibnrU1%40individual.net
How does a seeingwatchmakingist account for the origin of
the recorded-in-DNA/ genetic information within:
a human? a bacterium? the first biological lifeform?
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1985 A.G. Cairns-Smith; How did recorded-in-DNA/ genetic information
originate?
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-32gv43F3jsrelU1%40individual.net
Physics has the appearance of having been designed by intelligence.
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-37f67dF59po8jU1%40individual.net
The Search for a Loophole to the Beginning of the Universe
in the Big Bang
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that has to be pounced
upon. IDers should be pressed to present a system that
is unambiguously designed. If they can't do that, they
should be ridiculed.
I volunteer for the job of chief ridiculer.
Larry, you'll be a fabulous [LM]"chief ridiculer."
Perhaps as your first order of business you could come up with better
invective than [LM]"idiots" and [LM]"kooks."
Feynman, R. Reid, and Berlinski on _ad hominems_
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I think this is the correct strategy. We need to go on the offensive.
We do indeed. I suggest that all IDiots should be "allowed to go" from
their jobs.
Fire the IDiots
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Actually, *all* heretics-- including the "Lamarckist" Steele-- should be
"allowed to go" from their jobs. We almost got Steele out:
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-37ek4mF5bljo3U1%40individual.net
We need to make the public aware of the fact that most scientists
think of these people as kooks.
[LM]"Kooks" who need to be fired. Newton was a creationist when it came
to biology. If he was around today I'd suggest that he be fired for
being one of those [LM]"kooks."
Also, Larry, have Humphrey, Dwyer, Dennett, and Dawkins gone around
[LM]"behaving like idiots"?
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That might play into the hands of the
deovoted but they're a hopeless cause anyway.
It's the average person we want to reach. They need worry about being
laughed at if they jump on the Creationist bus.
Yes: fear of [LM]"being laughed at" will definitely stop [LM]"the
average person" from [LM]"jump[ing] on the Creationist bus."
They need to think
about the fact that they, or their children, might be called an idiot in
public.
I prefer the spelling "IDiot."
Our goal is to portray Creationism, correctly, as something
that has about as much credibility as the Flat Earth Society or
perpetual
motion.
Or phlogiston.
Rosen thinks the phrase "'natural selection'" ought be "stripped from
our technical vocabulary," and the theory "sen[t]... off to join the
ether, phlogiston, and noxious vapors."
Ref:
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0408221106.6e95a488%40posting.google.com
[1988 Lima-de-Faria]"The phlogiston, the ether and selection [--] all
three belong to the history of science."
Ref:
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990727211504.2639819B-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
Don't debate them.
A wise, winning strategy. It's working well for John Wilkins-- he
killfiled one particularly-annoying IDiot, and refuses to read anything
that IDiot writes.
Laugh at them.
Works for me!
But I am curious. What is your current position on saltation & Schwartz?
Larry contradicts himself on Jeffrey Schwartz & saltation
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