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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Pastor Frank" |
| Date: |
24 Nov 2005 07:48:01 PM |
| Object: |
Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
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Carl Rooker wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Religious types claim that the universe would need a God creator and
that
God always was. It is more logical to conclude the Universe always
was.
There is physical objective verifiable evidence for the existence of
the
Universe. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence for the
existence of ANY Gods.
Well, for once you have part of this correct. We do believe that God is
eternal, and the universe is not.
You may think that it is logical to believe that the universe always
was,
but this goes against all current scientific theory.
If you are going to use science as a part of your argument - then what
about the scientific FACT that there is NO valid evidence for ANY god?
What you BELIEVE is meaningless in the area of valid and supportable
explanations of the universe.
Come on Zen, continue!!! Or we your stooges who must ask: What is a
"valid and supportable explanation for the existence of the universe"?
.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
29 Nov 2005 07:48:39 AM |
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On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:23:58 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:438BE60E.2B1B05B0@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:tE2if.30516$Y82.18186@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Well put!!!! Rick. Atheists are like children who lie in bed in the
dark trying to get to sleep, but fearing the boogieman under their
beds,
they need to keep telling themselves that he doesn't exist. LOL
A typical response from religious believers that have NO objective
reason
for their belief and can't defend it logically.
When you don't agree with the message attack the messenger!
How do you defend anyone's belief or disbelief in the boogieman
"logically"? We already conceded, that the god of atheist definition does
indeed not exist. What else do you want?
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested
in
Jesus Christ. We know love exists, though we cannot prove it
"objectively",
but only indirectly by loving words and actions. See below How God
manifests
Himself
Pastor Frank
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to
us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in
him.
'Love' [my *****]
"For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days
and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I
destroy
from off the face of the earth."
[Genesis 7:4]
Well at least you actually believe this happened. We are making progress.
Oh, hardly. Bob is merely pointing out one of the many contradictions
in *your* beliefs. Don't be delberately stupid.
Then again, perhaps it isn't deliberate........
.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
29 Nov 2005 08:57:47 PM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:vumoo1lh40srs0ia9acl4b5f5icd1uhdtm@4ax.com...
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:23:58 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:438BE60E.2B1B05B0@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:tE2if.30516$Y82.18186@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess
that
keeps you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Well put!!!! Rick. Atheists are like children who lie in bed in
the
dark trying to get to sleep, but fearing the boogieman under their
beds,
they need to keep telling themselves that he doesn't exist. LOL
A typical response from religious believers that have NO objective
reason
for their belief and can't defend it logically.
When you don't agree with the message attack the messenger!
How do you defend anyone's belief or disbelief in the boogieman
"logically"? We already conceded, that the god of atheist definition
does
indeed not exist. What else do you want?
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested
in
Jesus Christ. We know love exists, though we cannot prove it
"objectively",
but only indirectly by loving words and actions. See below How God
manifests
Himself
Pastor Frank
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to
us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in
him.
'Love' [my *****]
"For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty
days
and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I
destroy
from off the face of the earth."
[Genesis 7:4]
Well at least you actually believe this happened. We are making progress.
Oh, hardly. Bob is merely pointing out one of the many contradictions
in *your* beliefs. Don't be delberately stupid.
Then again, perhaps it isn't deliberate........
Stupidity has a way of getting around, expecially in those who quote the
Tanakh of Judaism to Christians, to show their Christian beliefs are
invalid. But then most atheists don't appear to know the difference between
a Jew and a Christian. See below
Pastor Frank
Rabbi Moshe Maggal of the National Jewish Information Service said in
1961 when the term Judeo-Christian was relatively new: "There is no such
thing as a Judeo-Christian religion. We consider the two religions so
different that one excludes the other."
(National Jewish Information Service).
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
30 Nov 2005 05:04:43 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:vumoo1lh40srs0ia9acl4b5f5icd1uhdtm@4ax.com...
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:23:58 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:438BE60E.2B1B05B0@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:tE2if.30516$Y82.18186@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess
that
keeps you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Well put!!!! Rick. Atheists are like children who lie in bed in
the
dark trying to get to sleep, but fearing the boogieman under their
beds,
they need to keep telling themselves that he doesn't exist. LOL
A typical response from religious believers that have NO objective
reason
for their belief and can't defend it logically.
When you don't agree with the message attack the messenger!
How do you defend anyone's belief or disbelief in the boogieman
"logically"? We already conceded, that the god of atheist definition
does
indeed not exist. What else do you want?
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested
in
Jesus Christ. We know love exists, though we cannot prove it
"objectively",
but only indirectly by loving words and actions. See below How God
manifests
Himself
Pastor Frank
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to
us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in
him.
'Love' [my *****]
"For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty
days
and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I
destroy
from off the face of the earth."
[Genesis 7:4]
Well at least you actually believe this happened. We are making progress.
Oh, hardly. Bob is merely pointing out one of the many contradictions
in *your* beliefs. Don't be delberately stupid.
Then again, perhaps it isn't deliberate........
Stupidity has a way of getting around, expecially in those who quote the
Tanakh of Judaism to Christians, to show their Christian beliefs are
invalid.
===>That is unnecessary.
It is obvious to any intelligent thinker that your beliefs are invalid,
as is your mind. -- L.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
29 Nov 2005 09:02:04 PM |
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John Baker wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:23:58 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:438BE60E.2B1B05B0@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:tE2if.30516$Y82.18186@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Well put!!!! Rick. Atheists are like children who lie in bed in the
dark trying to get to sleep, but fearing the boogieman under their
beds,
they need to keep telling themselves that he doesn't exist. LOL
A typical response from religious believers that have NO objective
reason
for their belief and can't defend it logically.
When you don't agree with the message attack the messenger!
How do you defend anyone's belief or disbelief in the boogieman
"logically"? We already conceded, that the god of atheist definition does
indeed not exist. What else do you want?
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested
in
Jesus Christ. We know love exists, though we cannot prove it
"objectively",
but only indirectly by loving words and actions. See below How God
manifests
Himself
Pastor Frank
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to
us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in
him.
'Love' [my *****]
"For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days
and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I
destroy
from off the face of the earth."
[Genesis 7:4]
Well at least you actually believe this happened. We are making progress.
Oh, hardly. Bob is merely pointing out one of the many contradictions
in *your* beliefs. Don't be delberately stupid.
Then again, perhaps it isn't deliberate........
we may never know hee hee
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
26 Nov 2005 01:52:20 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 14:27:32 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Well put!!!! Rick. Atheists are like children who lie in bed in the
dark trying to get to sleep, but fearing the boogieman under their beds,
they need to keep telling themselves that he doesn't exist. LOL
A typical response from religious believers that have NO objective reason
for their belief
and can't defend it logically.
But that doesn't excuse their nastiness and personal lies.
Or the sheer hypocrisy of their whining when they're treated as the
personally nasty liars they have shown themselves to be.
When you don't agree with the message attack the messenger!
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
25 Nov 2005 05:50:38 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in message
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"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
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Carl Rooker wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:2Y7af.47815$Pp1.37118@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Religious types claim that the universe would need a God creator
and
that
God always was. It is more logical to conclude the Universe always
was.
There is physical objective verifiable evidence for the existence
of
the
Universe. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence for
the
existence of ANY Gods.
Well, for once you have part of this correct. We do believe that God
is
eternal, and the universe is not.
You may think that it is logical to believe that the universe always
was,
but this goes against all current scientific theory.
If you are going to use science as a part of your argument - then what
about the scientific FACT that there is NO valid evidence for ANY god?
What you BELIEVE is meaningless in the area of valid and supportable
explanations of the universe.
Come on Zen, continue!!! Or we your stooges who must ask: What is a
"valid and supportable explanation for the existence of the universe"?
Neither I nor science have an explanation for the initiation/cause/reason
for the universe.
Not having an explanation for the initiation/cause/reason for the
universe does NOT automatically mean "goddidit!"
unless YOU have valid proof or evidence that your god even exists and
created the universe!
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Well put!!!! Rick. Atheists are like children who lie in bed in the dark
trying to get to sleep, but fearing the boogieman under their beds, they
need to keep telling themselves that he doesn't exist. LOL
===>WRNG.
Atheists are like the nasty people who tell little children there is no Tooth
Fairy
or Santa Claus. -- L.
.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
27 Nov 2005 08:16:56 AM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:4387A34D.6F4DD850@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in message
news:TWwhf.113$WU1.706@news.uswest.net...
"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
news:11ocv3q9u74j735@corp.supernews.com...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:1132883281.2243e3b7f464116552b5d90575928d99@fe5.teranews.com...
"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
news:11mn4629hso33bf@corp.supernews.com...
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:2Y7af.47815$Pp1.37118@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Religious types claim that the universe would need a God creator
and
that
God always was. It is more logical to conclude the Universe
always
was.
There is physical objective verifiable evidence for the
existence
of
the
Universe. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence
for
the
existence of ANY Gods.
Well, for once you have part of this correct. We do believe that
God
is
eternal, and the universe is not.
You may think that it is logical to believe that the universe
always
was,
but this goes against all current scientific theory.
If you are going to use science as a part of your argument - then
what
about the scientific FACT that there is NO valid evidence for ANY
god?
What you BELIEVE is meaningless in the area of valid and supportable
explanations of the universe.
Come on Zen, continue!!! Or we your stooges who must ask: What is
a
"valid and supportable explanation for the existence of the
universe"?
Neither I nor science have an explanation for the
initiation/cause/reason
for the universe.
Not having an explanation for the initiation/cause/reason for the
universe does NOT automatically mean "goddidit!"
unless YOU have valid proof or evidence that your god even exists and
created the universe!
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Well put!!!! Rick. Atheists are like children who lie in bed in the
dark
trying to get to sleep, but fearing the boogieman under their beds, they
need to keep telling themselves that he doesn't exist. LOL
===>WRNG.
Atheists are like the nasty people who tell little children there is no
Tooth
Fairy or Santa Claus. -- L.
You must have been traumatized by this reality in your childhood, for
you got nothing, while your peers who believed in the tooth fairy and Santa
got coins and candy. Contrary to your belief, children are not stupid
true-believers, but know very well which beliefs are profitable and which
are not.
.
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| User: "ManMadeGod" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
27 Nov 2005 08:06:41 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in message
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"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
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Carl Rooker wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:2Y7af.47815$Pp1.37118@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Religious types claim that the universe would need a God
creator
and
that
God always was. It is more logical to conclude the Universe
always
was.
There is physical objective verifiable evidence for the
existence
of
the
Universe. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence
for
the
existence of ANY Gods.
Well, for once you have part of this correct. We do believe that
God
is
eternal, and the universe is not.
You may think that it is logical to believe that the universe
always
was,
but this goes against all current scientific theory.
If you are going to use science as a part of your argument - then
what
about the scientific FACT that there is NO valid evidence for ANY
god?
What you BELIEVE is meaningless in the area of valid and
supportable
explanations of the universe.
Come on Zen, continue!!! Or we your stooges who must ask: What is
a
"valid and supportable explanation for the existence of the
universe"?
Neither I nor science have an explanation for the
initiation/cause/reason
for the universe.
Not having an explanation for the initiation/cause/reason for the
universe does NOT automatically mean "goddidit!"
unless YOU have valid proof or evidence that your god even exists and
created the universe!
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Well put!!!! Rick. Atheists are like children who lie in bed in the
dark
trying to get to sleep, but fearing the boogieman under their beds, they
need to keep telling themselves that he doesn't exist. LOL
===>WRNG.
Atheists are like the nasty people who tell little children there is no
Tooth
Fairy or Santa Claus. -- L.
You must have been traumatized by this reality in your childhood, for
you got nothing, while your peers who believed in the tooth fairy and
Santa got coins and candy. Contrary to your belief, children are not
stupid true-believers, but know very well which beliefs are profitable and
which are not.
And those greedy misguided children grow up to be just like you.
.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
29 Nov 2005 03:47:38 AM |
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"ManMadeGod" <spamhere@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in message
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"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
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Carl Rooker wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:2Y7af.47815$Pp1.37118@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Religious types claim that the universe would need a God
creator
and
that
God always was. It is more logical to conclude the Universe
always
was.
There is physical objective verifiable evidence for the
existence
of
the
Universe. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence
for
the
existence of ANY Gods.
Well, for once you have part of this correct. We do believe
that God
is
eternal, and the universe is not.
You may think that it is logical to believe that the universe
always
was,
but this goes against all current scientific theory.
If you are going to use science as a part of your argument - then
what
about the scientific FACT that there is NO valid evidence for ANY
god?
What you BELIEVE is meaningless in the area of valid and
supportable
explanations of the universe.
Come on Zen, continue!!! Or we your stooges who must ask: What
is a
"valid and supportable explanation for the existence of the
universe"?
Neither I nor science have an explanation for the
initiation/cause/reason
for the universe.
Not having an explanation for the initiation/cause/reason for the
universe does NOT automatically mean "goddidit!"
unless YOU have valid proof or evidence that your god even exists
and
created the universe!
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Well put!!!! Rick. Atheists are like children who lie in bed in the
dark
trying to get to sleep, but fearing the boogieman under their beds,
they
need to keep telling themselves that he doesn't exist. LOL
===>WRNG.
Atheists are like the nasty people who tell little children there is no
Tooth
Fairy or Santa Claus. -- L.
You must have been traumatized by this reality in your childhood, for
you got nothing, while your peers who believed in the tooth fairy and
Santa got coins and candy. Contrary to your belief, children are not
stupid true-believers, but know very well which beliefs are profitable
and which are not.
And those greedy misguided children grow up to be just like you.
Just sour grapes and jealousy. LOL
.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
27 Nov 2005 03:05:40 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:4387A34D.6F4DD850@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in message
news:TWwhf.113$WU1.706@news.uswest.net...
"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
news:11ocv3q9u74j735@corp.supernews.com...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:1132883281.2243e3b7f464116552b5d90575928d99@fe5.teranews.com...
"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
news:11mn4629hso33bf@corp.supernews.com...
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:2Y7af.47815$Pp1.37118@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Religious types claim that the universe would need a God creator
and
that
God always was. It is more logical to conclude the Universe
always
was.
There is physical objective verifiable evidence for the
existence
of
the
Universe. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence
for
the
existence of ANY Gods.
Well, for once you have part of this correct. We do believe that
God
is
eternal, and the universe is not.
You may think that it is logical to believe that the universe
always
was,
but this goes against all current scientific theory.
If you are going to use science as a part of your argument - then
what
about the scientific FACT that there is NO valid evidence for ANY
god?
What you BELIEVE is meaningless in the area of valid and supportable
explanations of the universe.
Come on Zen, continue!!! Or we your stooges who must ask: What is
a
"valid and supportable explanation for the existence of the
universe"?
Neither I nor science have an explanation for the
initiation/cause/reason
for the universe.
Not having an explanation for the initiation/cause/reason for the
universe does NOT automatically mean "goddidit!"
unless YOU have valid proof or evidence that your god even exists and
created the universe!
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Well put!!!! Rick. Atheists are like children who lie in bed in the
dark
trying to get to sleep, but fearing the boogieman under their beds, they
need to keep telling themselves that he doesn't exist. LOL
===>WRNG.
Atheists are like the nasty people who tell little children there is no
Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus. -- L.
You must have been traumatized by this reality in your childhood, for
you got nothing, while your peers who believed in the tooth fairy and Santa
got coins and candy.
===>That makes revealing the truth to children all wrong?
Contrary to your belief, children are not stupid
true-believers,
===>You are lying again. I don't believe that at all.
Of course not.
It is true believers like you that are stupid children.
but know very well which beliefs are profitable and which
are not.
===>Ah, so, by your stupid false logic, the best proof of
anything is based on the amount of PROFIT! -- L.
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25 Nov 2005 10:52:00 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in message
news:TWwhf.113$WU1.706@news.uswest.net...
"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
news:11ocv3q9u74j735@corp.supernews.com...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:1132883281.2243e3b7f464116552b5d90575928d99@fe5.teranews.com...
"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
news:11mn4629hso33bf@corp.supernews.com...
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:2Y7af.47815$Pp1.37118@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Religious types claim that the universe would need a God creator
and
that
God always was. It is more logical to conclude the Universe always
was.
There is physical objective verifiable evidence for the existence
of
the
Universe. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence for
the
existence of ANY Gods.
Well, for once you have part of this correct. We do believe that God
is
eternal, and the universe is not.
You may think that it is logical to believe that the universe always
was,
but this goes against all current scientific theory.
If you are going to use science as a part of your argument - then what
about the scientific FACT that there is NO valid evidence for ANY god?
What you BELIEVE is meaningless in the area of valid and supportable
explanations of the universe.
Come on Zen, continue!!! Or we your stooges who must ask: What is a
"valid and supportable explanation for the existence of the universe"?
Neither I nor science have an explanation for the initiation/cause/reason
for the universe.
Not having an explanation for the initiation/cause/reason for the
universe does NOT automatically mean "goddidit!"
unless YOU have valid proof or evidence that your god even exists and
created the universe!
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Well put!!!! Rick. Atheists are like children who lie in bed in the dark
trying to get to sleep, but fearing the boogieman under their beds, they
need to keep telling themselves that he doesn't exist. LOL
So you also believe in a "boogieman"? Amusing.
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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27 Nov 2005 03:09:16 PM |
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"Olrik" <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> wrote in message
news:RRRhf.19574$5o6.589641@wagner.videotron.net...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in message
news:TWwhf.113$WU1.706@news.uswest.net...
"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
news:11ocv3q9u74j735@corp.supernews.com...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:1132883281.2243e3b7f464116552b5d90575928d99@fe5.teranews.com...
"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
news:11mn4629hso33bf@corp.supernews.com...
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:2Y7af.47815$Pp1.37118@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Religious types claim that the universe would need a God creator
and
that
God always was. It is more logical to conclude the Universe always
was.
There is physical objective verifiable evidence for the existence
of
the
Universe. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence for
the
existence of ANY Gods.
Well, for once you have part of this correct. We do believe that
God is
eternal, and the universe is not.
You may think that it is logical to believe that the universe always
was,
but this goes against all current scientific theory.
If you are going to use science as a part of your argument - then what
about the scientific FACT that there is NO valid evidence for ANY
god?
What you BELIEVE is meaningless in the area of valid and supportable
explanations of the universe.
Come on Zen, continue!!! Or we your stooges who must ask: What is a
"valid and supportable explanation for the existence of the universe"?
Neither I nor science have an explanation for the
initiation/cause/reason for the universe.
Not having an explanation for the initiation/cause/reason for the
universe does NOT automatically mean "goddidit!"
unless YOU have valid proof or evidence that your god even exists and
created the universe!
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Well put!!!! Rick. Atheists are like children who lie in bed in the
dark trying to get to sleep, but fearing the boogieman under their beds,
they need to keep telling themselves that he doesn't exist. LOL
So you also believe in a "boogieman"? Amusing.
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
We don't believe in atheist disbeliefs and that includes the boogieman.
Your disbeliefs are YOUR religion, not ours.
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| User: "olrik666" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
28 Nov 2005 12:51:17 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Olrik" <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> wrote in message
news:RRRhf.19574$5o6.589641@wagner.videotron.net...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in message
news:TWwhf.113$WU1.706@news.uswest.net...
"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
news:11ocv3q9u74j735@corp.supernews.com...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:1132883281.2243e3b7f464116552b5d90575928d99@fe5.teranews.com...
"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
news:11mn4629hso33bf@corp.supernews.com...
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:2Y7af.47815$Pp1.37118@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Religious types claim that the universe would need a God creator
and
that
God always was. It is more logical to conclude the Universe always
was.
There is physical objective verifiable evidence for the existence
of
the
Universe. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence for
the
existence of ANY Gods.
Well, for once you have part of this correct. We do believe that
God is
eternal, and the universe is not.
You may think that it is logical to believe that the universe always
was,
but this goes against all current scientific theory.
If you are going to use science as a part of your argument - then what
about the scientific FACT that there is NO valid evidence for ANY
god?
What you BELIEVE is meaningless in the area of valid and supportable
explanations of the universe.
Come on Zen, continue!!! Or we your stooges who must ask: What is a
"valid and supportable explanation for the existence of the universe"?
Neither I nor science have an explanation for the
initiation/cause/reason for the universe.
Not having an explanation for the initiation/cause/reason for the
universe does NOT automatically mean "goddidit!"
unless YOU have valid proof or evidence that your god even exists and
created the universe!
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Well put!!!! Rick. Atheists are like children who lie in bed in the
dark trying to get to sleep, but fearing the boogieman under their beds,
they need to keep telling themselves that he doesn't exist. LOL
So you also believe in a "boogieman"? Amusing.
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
We don't believe in atheist disbeliefs and that includes the boogieman.
Your disbeliefs are YOUR religion, not ours.
Word salad.
Olrik
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
25 Nov 2005 02:00:47 AM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Richard Dawkins
(Dawkins@Hell.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
news:11ocv3q9u74j735@corp.supernews.com...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:1132883281.2243e3b7f464116552b5d90575928d99@fe5.teranews.com...
"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
news:11mn4629hso33bf@corp.supernews.com...
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:2Y7af.47815$Pp1.37118@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Religious types claim that the universe would need a God
creator and that
God always was. It is more logical to conclude the Universe
always was.
There is physical objective verifiable evidence for the
existence of the
Universe. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence
for the
existence of ANY Gods.
Well, for once you have part of this correct. We do believe that
God is
eternal, and the universe is not.
You may think that it is logical to believe that the universe
always was,
but this goes against all current scientific theory.
If you are going to use science as a part of your argument - then
what about the scientific FACT that there is NO valid evidence for
ANY god? What you BELIEVE is meaningless in the area of valid and
supportable explanations of the universe.
Come on Zen, continue!!! Or we your stooges who must ask: What is
a
"valid and supportable explanation for the existence of the
universe"?
Neither I nor science have an explanation for the
initiation/cause/reason for the universe.
Not having an explanation for the initiation/cause/reason for the
universe does NOT automatically mean "goddidit!"
unless YOU have valid proof or evidence that your god even exists and
created the universe!
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course not, Raytard, that would be typical of a religious bigot like
yourself.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
So you agree then, that "God" doesn't actually exist?
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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sig under construction
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| User: "ManMadeGod" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
24 Nov 2005 10:09:14 PM |
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"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
news:11ocv3q9u74j735@corp.supernews.com...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:1132883281.2243e3b7f464116552b5d90575928d99@fe5.teranews.com...
"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
news:11mn4629hso33bf@corp.supernews.com...
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:2Y7af.47815$Pp1.37118@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Religious types claim that the universe would need a God creator and
that
God always was. It is more logical to conclude the Universe always
was.
There is physical objective verifiable evidence for the existence of
the
Universe. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence for
the
existence of ANY Gods.
Well, for once you have part of this correct. We do believe that God
is
eternal, and the universe is not.
You may think that it is logical to believe that the universe always
was,
but this goes against all current scientific theory.
If you are going to use science as a part of your argument - then what
about the scientific FACT that there is NO valid evidence for ANY god?
What you BELIEVE is meaningless in the area of valid and supportable
explanations of the universe.
Come on Zen, continue!!! Or we your stooges who must ask: What is a
"valid and supportable explanation for the existence of the universe"?
Neither I nor science have an explanation for the initiation/cause/reason
for the universe.
Not having an explanation for the initiation/cause/reason for the universe
does NOT automatically mean "goddidit!"
unless YOU have valid proof or evidence that your god even exists and
created the universe!
The Christian Taliban will argue (with their below 70 IQ) forever. These
motherfuckers need to be taken out. They are terrorists threatening to turn
America into a Christian Theocracy. Everyone says that Iraq will face a
Civil War, I think that the US will face one as well. Bush divided the
country and shoved christianity on everyone. It's time to stand up and
defend America for religious freedom, before these assholes turn America
into a christian theocracy.
I will fight until death to protect America from these sick taliban cult
bastards.
Christians are the most greedy, hypocritic, dangerous human beings on the
planet. It's their way - or no way. They are trying to infiltrate our
schools, our government, and our religious freedoms. People like Pat
Robertson, Bush and Cheney should be hanged in a public square to show the
world what we do to christian terrorists that try to take over a country
that prides itself on religious freedom.
Let the war begin.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
24 Nov 2005 11:08:02 PM |
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ManMadeGod wrote:
"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
news:11ocv3q9u74j735@corp.supernews.com...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:1132883281.2243e3b7f464116552b5d90575928d99@fe5.teranews.com...
"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
news:11mn4629hso33bf@corp.supernews.com...
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:2Y7af.47815$Pp1.37118@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Religious types claim that the universe would need a God creator and
that
God always was. It is more logical to conclude the Universe always
was.
There is physical objective verifiable evidence for the existence of
the
Universe. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence for
the
existence of ANY Gods.
Well, for once you have part of this correct. We do believe that God
is
eternal, and the universe is not.
You may think that it is logical to believe that the universe always
was,
but this goes against all current scientific theory.
If you are going to use science as a part of your argument - then what
about the scientific FACT that there is NO valid evidence for ANY god?
What you BELIEVE is meaningless in the area of valid and supportable
explanations of the universe.
Come on Zen, continue!!! Or we your stooges who must ask: What is a
"valid and supportable explanation for the existence of the universe"?
Neither I nor science have an explanation for the initiation/cause/reason
for the universe.
Not having an explanation for the initiation/cause/reason for the universe
does NOT automatically mean "goddidit!"
unless YOU have valid proof or evidence that your god even exists and
created the universe!
The Christian Taliban will argue (with their below 70 IQ) forever. These
motherfuckers need to be taken out. They are terrorists threatening to turn
America into a Christian Theocracy. Everyone says that Iraq will face a
Civil War, I think that the US will face one as well. Bush divided the
country and shoved christianity on everyone. It's time to stand up and
defend America for religious freedom, before these assholes turn America
into a christian theocracy.
I will fight until death to protect America from these sick taliban cult
bastards.
Christians are the most greedy, hypocritic, dangerous human beings on the
planet. It's their way - or no way. They are trying to infiltrate our
schools, our government, and our religious freedoms. People like Pat
Robertson, Bush and Cheney should be hanged in a public square to show the
world what we do to christian terrorists that try to take over a country
that prides itself on religious freedom.
Let the war begin.
Nonsense. Roughly eighty percent of followers of religions are 'followers'
because they were brought up to it and believe it is the right and proper thing
to do in a sincere desire to be good and decent people.
That they are pandering to superstitious nonsense is an entirely different
issue. Cataloging the followers of religions in the manner that you do is way
off the mark and borders on the obscene.
Cheers
bob
Humanist Brit,
Hong Kong
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
24 Nov 2005 11:02:01 PM |
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ZenIsWhen wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:1132883281.2243e3b7f464116552b5d90575928d99@fe5.teranews.com...
"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
news:11mn4629hso33bf@corp.supernews.com...
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:2Y7af.47815$Pp1.37118@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Religious types claim that the universe would need a God creator and
that
God always was. It is more logical to conclude the Universe always
was.
There is physical objective verifiable evidence for the existence of
the
Universe. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence for
the
existence of ANY Gods.
Well, for once you have part of this correct. We do believe that God
is
eternal, and the universe is not.
You may think that it is logical to believe that the universe always
was,
but this goes against all current scientific theory.
If you are going to use science as a part of your argument - then what
about the scientific FACT that there is NO valid evidence for ANY god?
What you BELIEVE is meaningless in the area of valid and supportable
explanations of the universe.
Come on Zen, continue!!! Or we your stooges who must ask: What is a
"valid and supportable explanation for the existence of the universe"?
Neither I nor science have an explanation for the initiation/cause/reason
for the universe.
Not having an explanation for the initiation/cause/reason for the universe
does NOT automatically mean "goddidit!"
unless YOU have valid proof or evidence that your god even exists and
created the universe!
"Plaudits".
bob
Hong Kong
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| User: "Tervicz" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
24 Nov 2005 09:21:29 PM |
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I do. Pour some water into a cooking pan. Put it on the heater and turn
it on. Watch it as it starts to boil. What do you see? Bubbles! And
there's nobody there creating these bubbles. Heated water is simply a
condition in which bubbles form sponatiously. If you wish to erase the
human factor, the fact you need to turn on the heater. Simply look at
the ocean water during a submarine volcanic eruption.
The universe is just like one of these bubbles. And the condition in
which they form is "nothingness", a total vacuum. You may say there is
nothing there to form it. I say there is nothing there to stop it from
forming. Sadly however with our current means we cannot recreate this
condition. Testing this is a job for future generations.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
24 Nov 2005 11:11:02 PM |
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Tervicz wrote:
I do. Pour some water into a cooking pan. Put it on the heater and turn
it on. Watch it as it starts to boil. What do you see? Bubbles! And
there's nobody there creating these bubbles. Heated water is simply a
condition in which bubbles form sponatiously. If you wish to erase the
human factor, the fact you need to turn on the heater. Simply look at
the ocean water during a submarine volcanic eruption.
The universe is just like one of these bubbles. And the condition in
which they form is "nothingness", a total vacuum. You may say there is
nothing there to form it. I say there is nothing there to stop it from
forming. Sadly however with our current means we cannot recreate this
condition. Testing this is a job for future generations.
I totally agree.
Meantime go three miles below the Pacific Ocean; find a hot volcanic lava
spout [there are many of them] and there you will find organisms and life
forms that do not and cannot exist anywhere else on this planet.
A wonderful example of the evolutionary process in action.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
24 Nov 2005 11:16:23 PM |
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bob young wrote:
Tervicz wrote:
I do. Pour some water into a cooking pan. Put it on the heater and turn
it on. Watch it as it starts to boil. What do you see? Bubbles! And
there's nobody there creating these bubbles. Heated water is simply a
condition in which bubbles form sponatiously. If you wish to erase the
human factor, the fact you need to turn on the heater. Simply look at
the ocean water during a submarine volcanic eruption.
The universe is just like one of these bubbles. And the condition in
which they form is "nothingness", a total vacuum. You may say there is
nothing there to form it. I say there is nothing there to stop it from
forming. Sadly however with our current means we cannot recreate this
condition. Testing this is a job for future generations.
I totally agree.
Meantime go three miles below the Pacific Ocean; find a hot volcanic lava
spout [there are many of them] and there you will find organisms and life
forms that do not and cannot exist anywhere else on this planet.
A wonderful example of the evolutionary process in action.
===>The ET YHWH ELOHIM could not have formed those in his magic
garden, could he? ;-) -- L.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
24 Nov 2005 10:19:56 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pastor Frank
(PastorFrank@christfirst.edu) made the light shine upon us with this:
If you are going to use science as a part of your argument - then what
about the scientific FACT that there is NO valid evidence for ANY god?
What you BELIEVE is meaningless in the area of valid and supportable
explanations of the universe.
Come on Zen, continue!!! Or we your stooges who must ask: What is a
"valid and supportable explanation for the existence of the universe"?
How about "We don't know yet, but we're working on it."
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
----
sig under construction
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
24 Nov 2005 11:13:02 PM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pastor Frank
(PastorFrank@christfirst.edu) made the light shine upon us with this:
If you are going to use science as a part of your argument - then what
about the scientific FACT that there is NO valid evidence for ANY god?
What you BELIEVE is meaningless in the area of valid and supportable
explanations of the universe.
Come on Zen, continue!!! Or we your stooges who must ask: What is a
"valid and supportable explanation for the existence of the universe"?
How about "We don't know yet, but we're working on it."
The priests could have said something along those lines when folks during the
time of The Great Plague asked them "Why are we dying like flies"?
But no, all they could manage was "It is the Lord punishing us for our sins"
Marvellous !
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
----
sig under construction
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
24 Nov 2005 11:39:12 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet bob young
(alaspectrum@netvigator.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Pastor Frank
(PastorFrank@christfirst.edu) made the light shine upon us with this:
If you are going to use science as a part of your argument - then
what about the scientific FACT that there is NO valid evidence for
ANY god? What you BELIEVE is meaningless in the area of valid and
supportable explanations of the universe.
Come on Zen, continue!!! Or we your stooges who must ask: What
is a
"valid and supportable explanation for the existence of the
universe"?
How about "We don't know yet, but we're working on it."
The priests could have said something along those lines when folks
during the time of The Great Plague asked them "Why are we dying like
flies"?
But no, all they could manage was "It is the Lord punishing us for our
sins"
Marvellous !
The right wing bigots say the same about AIDS. These are not sins
committed against a god, they are sins committed against the believer who
is imagining the source of the "punishment".
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
----
sig under construction
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
24 Nov 2005 11:00:02 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
news:11mn4629hso33bf@corp.supernews.com...
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:2Y7af.47815$Pp1.37118@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Religious types claim that the universe would need a God creator and
that
God always was. It is more logical to conclude the Universe always
was.
There is physical objective verifiable evidence for the existence of
the
Universe. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence for the
existence of ANY Gods.
Well, for once you have part of this correct. We do believe that God is
eternal, and the universe is not.
You may think that it is logical to believe that the universe always
was,
but this goes against all current scientific theory.
If you are going to use science as a part of your argument - then what
about the scientific FACT that there is NO valid evidence for ANY god?
What you BELIEVE is meaningless in the area of valid and supportable
explanations of the universe.
Come on Zen, continue!!! Or we your stooges who must ask: What is a
"valid and supportable explanation for the existence of the universe"?
Clever Eh? You know very well that man has not got that far as yet. He may
never get that far before humanoids become extinct, like so many species do
with the steady march of evolution.
Then when man is no longer around your silly question will be even more
pointless - there will be no brains on this planet that can handle the issue.
The other explanation might be that some old guy with a beard who lives in a
'heaven 'just above the clouds created everything. Well that is where my GGG
Granddad said He lived. Now we fly jumbos 'just above the clouds'
Things change, your primitive belief dies a slow death as each day goes by and
the pathetic contortions that religionists resort to to justify their silly
beliefs become more and more ridiculous. Discoveries by man, in contrast,
reveal more each day about our origins.
Keep up the good work Frank, the Lord will be so pleased to see you when you
arrive in His 'heaven' - but keep a weather eye out for the odd jumbo jet
whilst you are up there Frank.
Cheers
bob
Humanist Brit.
Hong Kong
Man of old, the savage,
formed the belief,
the eruption of the volcano
was god's expression of grief.
Man believed the lightning bolt,
for the crops - a blessing of rain,
the curse of flood lending starvation,
was spewed from heavenly gates.
Man believed he could calm divine wrath,
through sacrifice of a virgin pure,
though blood appeased him not,
how the quake continues to tremble the earth.
Man believed the sting of a bee,
the fangs of the serpent, the teeth of a bear
were all signs of divine things,
deities by the dozens, some invented in pairs.
Silly superstitions thrive to this day,
if not for the rationalist, skeptic,
and freethinker,
where would we be?
In Church thumping Bibles, that's where!
See, we've came a long way.
Instead of cracking virgins' skulls,
[with acknowledgements to: Sharon]
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
25 Nov 2005 12:02:47 PM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:43869A07.512C8016@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
news:11mn4629hso33bf@corp.supernews.com...
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:2Y7af.47815$Pp1.37118@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Religious types claim that the universe would need a God creator
and
that
God always was. It is more logical to conclude the Universe always
was.
There is physical objective verifiable evidence for the existence
of
the
Universe. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence for
the
existence of ANY Gods.
Well, for once you have part of this correct. We do believe that God
is
eternal, and the universe is not.
You may think that it is logical to believe that the universe always
was,
but this goes against all current scientific theory.
If you are going to use science as a part of your argument - then what
about the scientific FACT that there is NO valid evidence for ANY god?
What you BELIEVE is meaningless in the area of valid and supportable
explanations of the universe.
Come on Zen, continue!!! Or are we your stooges who must ask: What is
a "valid and supportable explanation for the existence of the universe"?
Clever Eh? You know very well that man has not got that far as yet. He
may
never get that far before humanoids become extinct, like so many species
do
with the steady march of evolution.
Then when man is no longer around your silly question will be even more
pointless - there will be no brains on this planet that can handle the
issue.
Devolution back to ape-mentality?
The other explanation might be that some old guy with a beard who lives in
a
'heaven 'just above the clouds created everything. Well that is where my
GGG
Granddad said He lived. Now we fly jumbos 'just above the clouds'
That "old man above the clouds" is your pet disbelief, which sustains
your atheist posts to our pristine Christian NGs, but it has nothing in
common with our Christian God as defined by Christ Himself, and you KNOW it.
It's just an idee fixe, to which you like to stick tenaceously. Read again
below the definition of the God of Christ.
Pastor Frank
"GOD" THE CHRISTIAN MEANING OF THE WORD ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: "GOD IS A SPIRIT, and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth."
Jesus in John 14:6-10: Jesus saith unto him: "I am the way, the truth,
and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me,
ye should have known my Father also, and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM AND
HAVE SEEN HIM."
Philip saith unto him: "Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us."
Jesus saith unto him: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am
in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak
not of myself, but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."
Jesus in John 12:44-46`Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes
in me, believes not in me but in Him who sent me. And he who sees me sees
Him who sent Me. I have come as a light into the world, that whoever
believes in me should not abide in darkness."
Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when
the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: "The kingdom of
God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo
there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU."
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
25 Nov 2005 11:30:01 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:43869A07.512C8016@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
news:11mn4629hso33bf@corp.supernews.com...
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:2Y7af.47815$Pp1.37118@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Religious types claim that the universe would need a God creator
and
that
God always was. It is more logical to conclude the Universe always
was.
There is physical objective verifiable evidence for the existence
of
the
Universe. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence for
the
existence of ANY Gods.
Well, for once you have part of this correct. We do believe that God
is
eternal, and the universe is not.
You may think that it is logical to believe that the universe always
was,
but this goes against all current scientific theory.
If you are going to use science as a part of your argument - then what
about the scientific FACT that there is NO valid evidence for ANY god?
What you BELIEVE is meaningless in the area of valid and supportable
explanations of the universe.
Come on Zen, continue!!! Or are we your stooges who must ask: What is
a "valid and supportable explanation for the existence of the universe"?
Clever Eh? You know very well that man has not got that far as yet. He
may
never get that far before humanoids become extinct, like so many species
do
with the steady march of evolution.
Then when man is no longer around your silly question will be even more
pointless - there will be no brains on this planet that can handle the
issue.
Devolution back to ape-mentality?
The other explanation might be that some old guy with a beard who lives in
a
'heaven 'just above the clouds created everything. Well that is where my
GGG
Granddad said He lived. Now we fly jumbos 'just above the clouds'
That "old man above the clouds" is your pet disbelief, which sustains
your atheist posts to our pristine Christian NGs, but it has nothing in
common with our Christian God as defined by Christ Himself, and you KNOW it.
I do not 'know it', and neither do you, since it all supposedly happened over
two thousand years ago.
1.5K years back European monarchies were in full swing, with administrations
armies and many had developing legal systems, yet nothing remains on record,
and we are supposed to believe myth-like tales from a period that was another
1.5K years further back? !!!
Grow up.,
It's just an idee fixe, to which you like to stick tenaceously. Read again
below the definition of the God of Christ.
Pastor Frank
"GOD" THE CHRISTIAN MEANING OF THE WORD ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: "GOD IS A SPIRIT, and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth."
Jesus in John 14:6-10: Jesus saith unto him: "I am the way, the truth,
and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me,
ye should have known my Father also, and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM AND
HAVE SEEN HIM."
Philip saith unto him: "Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us."
Jesus saith unto him: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am
in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak
not of myself, but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."
Jesus in John 12:44-46`Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes
in me, believes not in me but in Him who sent me. And he who sees me sees
Him who sent Me. I have come as a light into the world, that whoever
believes in me should not abide in darkness."
Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when
the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: "The kingdom of
God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo
there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU."
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
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