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Religions > Atheism |
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"Pastor Frank" |
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25 Nov 2005 01:48:01 AM |
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Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
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Carl Rooker wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:2Y7af.47815$Pp1.37118@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Religious types claim that the universe would need a God creator and
that
God always was. It is more logical to conclude the Universe always
was.
There is physical objective verifiable evidence for the existence of
the
Universe. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence for the
existence of ANY Gods.
Well, for once you have part of this correct. We do believe that God is
eternal, and the universe is not.
You may think that it is logical to believe that the universe always
was,
but this goes against all current scientific theory.
If you are going to use science as a part of your argument - then what
about the scientific FACT that there is NO valid evidence for ANY god?
What you BELIEVE is meaningless in the area of valid and supportable
explanations of the universe.
Come on Zen, continue!!! Or we your stooges who must ask: What is a
"valid and supportable explanation for the existence of the universe"?
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| User: "ZenIsWhen" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
25 Nov 2005 02:52:50 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:1132883281.2243e3b7f464116552b5d90575928d99@fe5.teranews.com...
"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
news:11mn4629hso33bf@corp.supernews.com...
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:2Y7af.47815$Pp1.37118@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Religious types claim that the universe would need a God creator and
that
God always was. It is more logical to conclude the Universe always
was.
There is physical objective verifiable evidence for the existence of
the
Universe. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence for
the
existence of ANY Gods.
Well, for once you have part of this correct. We do believe that God
is
eternal, and the universe is not.
You may think that it is logical to believe that the universe always
was,
but this goes against all current scientific theory.
If you are going to use science as a part of your argument - then what
about the scientific FACT that there is NO valid evidence for ANY god?
What you BELIEVE is meaningless in the area of valid and supportable
explanations of the universe.
Come on Zen, continue!!! Or we your stooges who must ask: What is a
"valid and supportable explanation for the existence of the universe"?
Neither I nor science have an explanation for the initiation/cause/reason
for the universe.
Not having an explanation for the initiation/cause/reason for the universe
does NOT automatically mean "goddidit!"
unless YOU have valid proof or evidence that your god even exists and
created the universe!
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| User: "Richard Dawkins" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
25 Nov 2005 05:04:08 AM |
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"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:1132883281.2243e3b7f464116552b5d90575928d99@fe5.teranews.com...
"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
news:11mn4629hso33bf@corp.supernews.com...
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:2Y7af.47815$Pp1.37118@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Religious types claim that the universe would need a God creator and
that
God always was. It is more logical to conclude the Universe always
was.
There is physical objective verifiable evidence for the existence of
the
Universe. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence for
the
existence of ANY Gods.
Well, for once you have part of this correct. We do believe that God
is
eternal, and the universe is not.
You may think that it is logical to believe that the universe always
was,
but this goes against all current scientific theory.
If you are going to use science as a part of your argument - then what
about the scientific FACT that there is NO valid evidence for ANY god?
What you BELIEVE is meaningless in the area of valid and supportable
explanations of the universe.
Come on Zen, continue!!! Or we your stooges who must ask: What is a
"valid and supportable explanation for the existence of the universe"?
Neither I nor science have an explanation for the initiation/cause/reason
for the universe.
Not having an explanation for the initiation/cause/reason for the universe
does NOT automatically mean "goddidit!"
unless YOU have valid proof or evidence that your god even exists and
created the universe!
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an atheist
that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that keeps
you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
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| User: "Dickbrain heres personal Cthulhu" |
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| Title: Re: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
25 Nov 2005 11:27:02 AM |
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"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> suddenly spluttered:
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an atheist
that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that keeps
you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Think you're clever, don't you? Atheism exists simply and solely
because theism does, and is the antithesis thereof. We hate
anachronistic, stupid dishonest mindwanks like you who waste
everybody's time trying to drag them into your world of make-believe,
we do not hate your nonexistent deity. In fact some of us imagine that
if, just for the sake of entertainment, he did exist, he would
probably despise you even more than we do. After all, what does the
Bible say happens to bearers of false witness?
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Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
27 Nov 2005 03:09:43 AM |
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"Dickbrain here's personal Cthulhu" <ambrosini@soulsforlunch.org> wrote in
message news:3psdo1df03ksfns6ko2jqfq80j434hutti@4ax.com...
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> suddenly spluttered:
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist
that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps
you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Think you're clever, don't you? Atheism exists simply and solely
because theism does, and is the antithesis thereof. We hate
anachronistic, stupid dishonest mindwanks like you who waste
everybody's time trying to drag them into your world of make-believe,
we do not hate your nonexistent deity. In fact some of us imagine that
if, just for the sake of entertainment, he did exist, he would
probably despise you even more than we do. After all, what does the
Bible say happens to bearers of false witness?
Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
Dickbrain means, he doesn't hate our holy and almighty God, but he just
despises, if not hates people who don't believe or disbelieve as he does.
LOL That reminds me of the atheist who said: It takes all kinds to make a
world, I'm just glad I'm not one of them.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
27 Nov 2005 08:59:46 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Dickbrain here's personal Cthulhu" <ambrosini@soulsforlunch.org> wrote in
message news:3psdo1df03ksfns6ko2jqfq80j434hutti@4ax.com...
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> suddenly spluttered:
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist
that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps
you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Think you're clever, don't you? Atheism exists simply and solely
because theism does, and is the antithesis thereof. We hate
anachronistic, stupid dishonest mindwanks like you who waste
everybody's time trying to drag them into your world of make-believe,
we do not hate your nonexistent deity. In fact some of us imagine that
if, just for the sake of entertainment, he did exist, he would
probably despise you even more than we do. After all, what does the
Bible say happens to bearers of false witness?
Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
Dickbrain means,
===>What lovely terms you use, fake "pastor"!
It only evinces your SICKBRAIN. -- L.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
07 Dec 2005 12:38:05 PM |
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Libertarius wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Dickbrain here's personal Cthulhu" <ambrosini@soulsforlunch.org> wrote in
message news:3psdo1df03ksfns6ko2jqfq80j434hutti@4ax.com...
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> suddenly spluttered:
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist
that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps
you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Think you're clever, don't you? Atheism exists simply and solely
because theism does, and is the antithesis thereof. We hate
anachronistic, stupid dishonest mindwanks like you who waste
everybody's time trying to drag them into your world of make-believe,
we do not hate your nonexistent deity. In fact some of us imagine that
if, just for the sake of entertainment, he did exist, he would
probably despise you even more than we do. After all, what does the
Bible say happens to bearers of false witness?
Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
Dickbrain means,
===>What lovely terms you use, fake "pastor"!
It only evinces your SICKBRAIN. -- L.
I must declare that I have to agree with that sentiment.
Chers
Bob
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
12 Dec 2005 08:59:12 PM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:4396D75E.BA377670@netvigator.com...
Libertarius wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Dickbrain here's personal Cthulhu" <ambrosini@soulsforlunch.org> wrote
in
message news:3psdo1df03ksfns6ko2jqfq80j434hutti@4ax.com...
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> suddenly spluttered:
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist
that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps
you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Think you're clever, don't you? Atheism exists simply and solely
because theism does, and is the antithesis thereof. We hate
anachronistic, stupid dishonest mindwanks like you who waste
everybody's time trying to drag them into your world of make-believe,
we do not hate your nonexistent deity. In fact some of us imagine
that
if, just for the sake of entertainment, he did exist, he would
probably despise you even more than we do. After all, what does the
Bible say happens to bearers of false witness?
Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
Dickbrain means,
===>What lovely terms you use, fake "pastor"!
It only evinces your SICKBRAIN. -- L.
I must declare that I have to agree with that sentiment.
Chers
Bob
Yes. Typical atheist reading comprehension problems again!!! But
befitting the eternal complaining (wailing) mode of atheists generally. You
oversealously trunkated my answer to "Dickbrain here's personal Cthulhu" in
the header.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
07 Dec 2005 12:38:02 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Dickbrain here's personal Cthulhu" <ambrosini@soulsforlunch.org> wrote in
message news:3psdo1df03ksfns6ko2jqfq80j434hutti@4ax.com...
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> suddenly spluttered:
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist
that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps
you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Think you're clever, don't you? Atheism exists simply and solely
because theism does, and is the antithesis thereof. We hate
anachronistic, stupid dishonest mindwanks like you who waste
everybody's time trying to drag them into your world of make-believe,
we do not hate your nonexistent deity. In fact some of us imagine that
if, just for the sake of entertainment, he did exist, he would
probably despise you even more than we do. After all, what does the
Bible say happens to bearers of false witness?
Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
Dickbrain means, he doesn't hate our holy and almighty God, but he just
despises, if not hates people who don't believe or disbelieve as he does.
LOL That reminds me of the atheist who said: It takes all kinds to make a
world, I'm just glad I'm not one of them.
Well done, more diversions and no effort to respond directly.
now WHAT does that tell us?
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
25 Nov 2005 06:02:53 PM |
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"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in message
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"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
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Carl Rooker wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:2Y7af.47815$Pp1.37118@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Religious types claim that the universe would need a God creator
and
that
God always was. It is more logical to conclude the Universe always
was.
There is physical objective verifiable evidence for the existence
of
the
Universe. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence for
the
existence of ANY Gods.
Well, for once you have part of this correct. We do believe that God
is
eternal, and the universe is not.
You may think that it is logical to believe that the universe always
was,
but this goes against all current scientific theory.
If you are going to use science as a part of your argument - then what
about the scientific FACT that there is NO valid evidence for ANY god?
What you BELIEVE is meaningless in the area of valid and supportable
explanations of the universe.
Come on Zen, continue!!! Or we your stooges who must ask: What is a
"valid and supportable explanation for the existence of the universe"?
Neither I nor science have an explanation for the initiation/cause/reason
for the universe.
Not having an explanation for the initiation/cause/reason for the
universe does NOT automatically mean "goddidit!"
unless YOU have valid proof or evidence that your god even exists and
created the universe!
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Well put!!!! Rick. Atheists are like children who lie in bed in the dark
trying to get to sleep, but fearing the boogieman under their beds, they
need to keep telling themselves that he doesn't exist. LOL
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
26 Nov 2005 07:27:32 PM |
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For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Well put!!!! Rick. Atheists are like children who lie in bed in the
dark trying to get to sleep, but fearing the boogieman under their beds,
they need to keep telling themselves that he doesn't exist. LOL
A typical response from religious believers that have NO objective reason
for their belief
and can't defend it logically.
When you don't agree with the message attack the messenger!
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
28 Nov 2005 08:23:00 AM |
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:tE2if.30516$Y82.18186@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Well put!!!! Rick. Atheists are like children who lie in bed in the
dark trying to get to sleep, but fearing the boogieman under their beds,
they need to keep telling themselves that he doesn't exist. LOL
A typical response from religious believers that have NO objective reason
for their belief and can't defend it logically.
When you don't agree with the message attack the messenger!
How do you defend anyone's belief or disbelief in the boogieman
"logically"? We already conceded, that the god of atheist definition does
indeed not exist. What else do you want?
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in
Jesus Christ. We know love exists, though we cannot prove it "objectively",
but only indirectly by loving words and actions. See below How God manifests
Himself
Pastor Frank
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
29 Nov 2005 12:57:47 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:tE2if.30516$Y82.18186@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Well put!!!! Rick. Atheists are like children who lie in bed in the
dark trying to get to sleep, but fearing the boogieman under their beds,
they need to keep telling themselves that he doesn't exist. LOL
A typical response from religious believers that have NO objective reason
for their belief and can't defend it logically.
When you don't agree with the message attack the messenger!
How do you defend anyone's belief or disbelief in the boogieman
"logically"? We already conceded, that the god of atheist definition does
indeed not exist. What else do you want?
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in
Jesus Christ. We know love exists, though we cannot prove it "objectively",
but only indirectly by loving words and actions.
===>You can ALSO "prove" Santa. the Tooth Fairy, "boogieman",
leprechauns, ghosts, etc., IN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY:
by words and actions -- which, of course, is no "proof" of anything
except the "words and actions" themselves. -- L.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
01 Dec 2005 11:45:45 AM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:438BA78B.CF88D35A@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:tE2if.30516$Y82.18186@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Well put!!!! Rick. Atheists are like children who lie in bed in the
dark trying to get to sleep, but fearing the boogieman under their
beds,
they need to keep telling themselves that he doesn't exist. LOL
A typical response from religious believers that have NO objective
reason
for their belief and can't defend it logically.
When you don't agree with the message attack the messenger!
How do you defend anyone's belief or disbelief in the boogieman
"logically"? We already conceded, that the god of atheist definition does
indeed not exist. What else do you want?
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested
in
Jesus Christ. We know love exists, though we cannot prove it
"objectively",
but only indirectly by loving words and actions.
===>You can ALSO "prove" Santa. the Tooth Fairy, "boogieman",
leprechauns, ghosts, etc., IN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY:
by words and actions -- which, of course, is no "proof" of anything
except the "words and actions" themselves. -- L.
After all the years of trolling, trashing and flaming in our pristine
Christian NGs, you still seem unable to distinguish between concrete
objects, like you list above, and abstract qualities, like loving, caring,
kindness etc. etc. which we are to demonstrate, and so prove our God.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
01 Dec 2005 08:30:08 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:438BA78B.CF88D35A@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:tE2if.30516$Y82.18186@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Well put!!!! Rick. Atheists are like children who lie in bed in the
dark trying to get to sleep, but fearing the boogieman under their
beds,
they need to keep telling themselves that he doesn't exist. LOL
A typical response from religious believers that have NO objective
reason
for their belief and can't defend it logically.
When you don't agree with the message attack the messenger!
How do you defend anyone's belief or disbelief in the boogieman
"logically"? We already conceded, that the god of atheist definition does
indeed not exist. What else do you want?
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested
in
Jesus Christ. We know love exists, though we cannot prove it
"objectively",
but only indirectly by loving words and actions.
===>You can ALSO "prove" Santa. the Tooth Fairy, "boogieman",
leprechauns, ghosts, etc., IN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY:
by words and actions -- which, of course, is no "proof" of anything
except the "words and actions" themselves. -- L.
After all the years of trolling, trashing and flaming in our pristine
Christian NGs, you still seem unable to distinguish between concrete
objects, like you list above, and abstract qualities, like loving, caring,
kindness etc. etc. which we are to demonstrate, and so prove our God.
===>That is idiotic, fake "pastor".
Since when are Santa, the Tooth Fairy, "boogieman",
leprechauns, ghosts, etc. "concrete objects"???
All you are exhibiting once again is the fact that
you have yet to reveal whether your "God" is
a real PERSONAL BEING or some "abstract qualities".
You jump from one position to the other, depending on
wind direction.
You're NUTS! -- L.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
13 Dec 2005 11:49:02 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:438BA78B.CF88D35A@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:tE2if.30516$Y82.18186@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Well put!!!! Rick. Atheists are like children who lie in bed in the
dark trying to get to sleep, but fearing the boogieman under their
beds,
they need to keep telling themselves that he doesn't exist. LOL
A typical response from religious believers that have NO objective
reason
for their belief and can't defend it logically.
When you don't agree with the message attack the messenger!
How do you defend anyone's belief or disbelief in the boogieman
"logically"? We already conceded, that the god of atheist definition does
indeed not exist. What else do you want?
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested
in
Jesus Christ. We know love exists, though we cannot prove it
"objectively",
but only indirectly by loving words and actions.
===>You can ALSO "prove" Santa. the Tooth Fairy, "boogieman",
leprechauns, ghosts, etc., IN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY:
by words and actions -- which, of course, is no "proof" of anything
except the "words and actions" themselves. -- L.
After all the years of trolling, trashing and flaming in our pristine
Christian NGs, you still seem unable to distinguish between concrete
objects, like you list above, and abstract qualities, like loving, caring,
kindness etc. etc. which we are to demonstrate, and so prove our God.
They prove nothing of the sort. [but of course you already knew that]
Here, have another straw to clutch onto _
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
20 Dec 2005 05:05:25 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:439EB4EC.F4E7A5D@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
After all the years of trolling, trashing and flaming in our pristine
Christian NGs, you still seem unable to distinguish between concrete
objects, like you list above, and abstract qualities, like loving,
caring,
kindness etc. etc. which we are to demonstrate, and so prove our God.
They prove nothing of the sort. [but of course you already knew that]
Are you slow, or something? Naturally none of us prove our God
adequately, that's why I said we AIM TO demonstrate those qualities listed
above to prove the reality of our God.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
14 Dec 2005 12:32:28 AM |
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On 13 Dec 2005 05:49:02 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:438BA78B.CF88D35A@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:tE2if.30516$Y82.18186@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Well put!!!! Rick. Atheists are like children who lie in bed in the
dark trying to get to sleep, but fearing the boogieman under their
beds,
they need to keep telling themselves that he doesn't exist. LOL
A typical response from religious believers that have NO objective
reason
for their belief and can't defend it logically.
When you don't agree with the message attack the messenger!
How do you defend anyone's belief or disbelief in the boogieman
"logically"? We already conceded, that the god of atheist definition does
indeed not exist. What else do you want?
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested
in
Jesus Christ. We know love exists, though we cannot prove it
"objectively",
but only indirectly by loving words and actions.
===>You can ALSO "prove" Santa. the Tooth Fairy, "boogieman",
leprechauns, ghosts, etc., IN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY:
by words and actions -- which, of course, is no "proof" of anything
except the "words and actions" themselves. -- L.
After all the years of trolling, trashing and flaming in our pristine
Christian NGs, you still seem unable to distinguish between concrete
objects, like you list above, and abstract qualities, like loving, caring,
kindness etc. etc. which we are to demonstrate, and so prove our God.
They prove nothing of the sort. [but of course you already knew that]
Here, have another straw to clutch onto _
That'd be the short straw, wouldn't it?
If only...
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. ATHEIST "Pastor" Frank |
13 Dec 2005 04:44:21 PM |
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bob young wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:438BA78B.CF88D35A@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:tE2if.30516$Y82.18186@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Well put!!!! Rick. Atheists are like children who lie in bed in the
dark trying to get to sleep, but fearing the boogieman under their
beds,
they need to keep telling themselves that he doesn't exist. LOL
A typical response from religious believers that have NO objective
reason
for their belief and can't defend it logically.
When you don't agree with the message attack the messenger!
How do you defend anyone's belief or disbelief in the boogieman
"logically"? We already conceded, that the god of atheist definition does
indeed not exist. What else do you want?
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested
in
Jesus Christ. We know love exists, though we cannot prove it
"objectively",
but only indirectly by loving words and actions.
===>You can ALSO "prove" Santa. the Tooth Fairy, "boogieman",
leprechauns, ghosts, etc., IN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY:
by words and actions -- which, of course, is no "proof" of anything
except the "words and actions" themselves. -- L.
After all the years of trolling, trashing and flaming in our pristine
Christian NGs, you still seem unable to distinguish between concrete
objects, like you list above, and abstract qualities, like loving, caring,
kindness etc. etc. which we are to demonstrate, and so prove our God.
They prove nothing of the sort. [but of course you already knew that]
Here, have another straw to clutch onto
===>Note that, as far as the Christian "God", i.e.
YHWH of the Old Testament, father of Jesus, giver of
the Ten Commandments, etc. is concerned, the "pastor"
Frank is clearly an ATHEIST.
He invented his own "god", one that consists of (see above:)
"abstract qualities, like loving, caring, kindness etc. etc."
which he is trying to pass off as the 'real", "pristine"
"Christian God". -- L.
_
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. Pontif Libertine's encyclical |
20 Dec 2005 05:05:27 AM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:439EFA65.E1E4F624@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
bob young wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:438BA78B.CF88D35A@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:tE2if.30516$Y82.18186@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're
an
atheist that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess
that
keeps you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Well put!!!! Rick. Atheists are like children who lie in bed
in the
dark trying to get to sleep, but fearing the boogieman under
their
beds,
they need to keep telling themselves that he doesn't exist. LOL
A typical response from religious believers that have NO objective
reason
for their belief and can't defend it logically.
When you don't agree with the message attack the messenger!
How do you defend anyone's belief or disbelief in the boogieman
"logically"? We already conceded, that the god of atheist definition
does
indeed not exist. What else do you want?
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully
manifested
in
Jesus Christ. We know love exists, though we cannot prove it
"objectively",
but only indirectly by loving words and actions.
===>You can ALSO "prove" Santa. the Tooth Fairy, "boogieman",
leprechauns, ghosts, etc., IN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY:
by words and actions -- which, of course, is no "proof" of anything
except the "words and actions" themselves. -- L.
After all the years of trolling, trashing and flaming in our
pristine
Christian NGs, you still seem unable to distinguish between concrete
objects, like you list above, and abstract qualities, like loving,
caring,
kindness etc. etc. which we are to demonstrate, and so prove our God.
They prove nothing of the sort. [but of course you already knew that]
Here, have another straw to clutch onto
===>Note that, as far as the Christian "God", i.e.
YHWH of the Old Testament, father of Jesus, giver of
the Ten Commandments, etc. is concerned, the "pastor"
Frank is clearly an ATHEIST.
He invented his own "god", one that consists of (see above:)
"abstract qualities, like loving, caring, kindness etc. etc."
which he is trying to pass off as the 'real", "pristine"
"Christian God". -- L.
You still pontificate like some private Pope, Libertine. To make any
sense, and keep you from lying, all you need to do now is document your
assertions with the words of Jesus et al, and you got it made in the shade.
Why won't you quote Jesus or any other authoritative source, ever? Do
they have the effrontery to prove you wrong? Don't tell us the devil makes
you omit them, or we all get apoplectic with laughter! I bet you was the
class clown in your younger years, but you just can't shake the role, can
you?
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. ATHEIST "PASTOR" FRANK |
20 Dec 2005 06:58:39 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:439EFA65.E1E4F624@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
[SNIPALOT]
===>Note that, as far as the Christian "God", i.e.
YHWH of the Old Testament, father of Jesus, giver of
the Ten Commandments, etc. is concerned, the "pastor"
Frank is clearly an ATHEIST.
He invented his own "god", one that consists of (see above:)
"abstract qualities, like loving, caring, kindness etc. etc."
which he is trying to pass off as the 'real", "pristine"
"Christian God". -- L.
To make any
sense, and keep you from lying, all you need to do now is document your
assertions with the words of Jesus et al,
===>No one can "quote Jesus", since there is not a single word known
to ave been written by "Jesus". LYING is what YOU do, repeatedly
and constantly.
It is well known that YOU have denounced YHWH multiple times,
having invented your own "god", one that consists of (your words):
"abstract qualities, like loving, caring, kindness etc. etc."
which you are trying to pass off as the 'real", "pristine"
"Christian God".
By any definition, that makes YOU an "ATHEIST" with respect
to YHWH, whom you call the "God of the Jews". -- L.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. ATHEIST "PASTOR" FRANK |
22 Dec 2005 01:43:19 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:43A8545E.DA68DE54@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:439EFA65.E1E4F624@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
===>Note that, as far as the Christian "God", i.e.
YHWH of the Old Testament, father of Jesus, giver of
the Ten Commandments, etc. is concerned, the "pastor"
Frank is clearly an ATHEIST.
He invented his own "god", one that consists of (see above:)
"abstract qualities, like loving, caring, kindness etc. etc."
which he is trying to pass off as the 'real", "pristine"
"Christian God". -- L.
To make any
sense, and keep you from lying, all you need to do now is document your
assertions with the words of Jesus et al,
===>No one can "quote Jesus", since there is not a single word known
to ave been written by "Jesus". LYING is what YOU do, repeatedly
and constantly.
It is well known that YOU have denounced YHWH multiple times,
having invented your own "god", one that consists of (your words):
"abstract qualities, like loving, caring, kindness etc. etc."
which you are trying to pass off as the 'real", "pristine"
"Christian God".
By any definition, that makes YOU an "ATHEIST" with respect
to YHWH, whom you call the "God of the Jews". -- L.
"Since there is not a single word known of Jesus" how come you know so
much that ain't so, Libertine? We consider the Bible authoritative text and
that's why I quote the Bible. You on the other hand consider the Bible a
collection of lies and a fraud, and that is why you merely quote yourself ad
nauseam and ad infinitum.
You have no credence here in our pristine Christian NGs. Libertine, for
you are considered an obnoxious atheist troll, trashing our beliefs and
flaming the friends of God, and trying in vain to proselytize your atheism.
Please post your atheism to atheist groups. Thanks.
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| User: "Virgil" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. ATHEIST "PASTOR" FRANK |
22 Dec 2005 07:23:24 PM |
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In article
<1135258999.2d0b510606b129807ffc1c7fc4f3857f@roc.usenetexchange.com>,
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote:
You have no credence here in our pristine Christian NGs. Libertine, for
you are considered an obnoxious atheist troll, trashing our beliefs and
flaming the friends of God, and trying in vain to proselytize your atheism.
Please post your atheism to atheist groups. Thanks.
Anyone calling himself "Pastor" and posting such hate has no credence in
our otherwise pristine atheist NG.
And why does he post here if he finds our posting in his NGs ofensive?
Hardly Pastor-like behaviour.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. ATHEIST "PASTOR" FRANK |
02 Jan 2006 01:08:13 PM |
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"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
news:ITSnetNOTcom%23virgil-C2ED70.12232422122005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
In article
<1135258999.2d0b510606b129807ffc1c7fc4f3857f@roc.usenetexchange.com>,
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote:
You have no credence here in our pristine Christian NGs. Libertine, for
you are considered an obnoxious atheist troll, trashing our beliefs and
flaming the friends of God, and trying in vain to proselytize your
atheism.
Please post your atheism to atheist groups. Thanks.
Anyone calling himself "Pastor" and posting such hate has no credence in
our otherwise pristine atheist NG.
Oh`sheeesh!!!! Another atheist trashing and flaming troll on the lose in
our pristine Christian NGs!!! Please post to atheist NGs ONLY!
Thanks.
And why does he post here if he finds our posting in his NGs ofensive?
Hardly Pastor-like behaviour.
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| User: "Weatherwax" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. ATHEIST "PASTOR" FRANK |
04 Jan 2006 04:45:47 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
Oh`sheeesh!!!! Another atheist trashing and flaming troll on
the lose in our pristine Christian NGs!!!
pristine
a. Remaining in a pure state; uncorrupted by civilization.
b. Remaining free from dirt or decay; clean.
http://dictionary.reference.com/
There are no pristine Christians, how can there be a pristine Christian
newsgroup?
--Wax
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. ATHEIST "PASTOR" FRANK |
04 Jan 2006 05:10:53 PM |
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Weatherwax wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
Oh`sheeesh!!!! Another atheist trashing and flaming troll on
the lose in our pristine Christian NGs!!!
pristine
a. Remaining in a pure state; uncorrupted by civilization.
b. Remaining free from dirt or decay; clean.
http://dictionary.reference.com/
There are no pristine Christians, how can there be a pristine Christian
newsgroup?
--Wax
===>He claims his neo-Marcionite version is "clean" because
he removed the "Old Testament" and discarded YHWH whom
he calls the "God of the Jews".
Of course he is full of hatred and lies, which he covers up by
declaring that his god is "Love"!
Anyone who does not believe in his new-fangled Marcionite
"Christianity" is a "minion of Satan" or an "atheist", not realizing
that, having discarded all gods other than his "Love", makes
HIM an "atheist" with regard to all the gods of humankind. -- L.
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| User: "Virgil" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. ATHEIST "PASTOR" FRANK |
04 Jan 2006 01:47:55 AM |
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In article <43bb07c0$0$10246$6d36acad@roc.nntpserver.com>,
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
news:ITSnetNOTcom%23virgil-C2ED70.12232422122005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
In article
<1135258999.2d0b510606b129807ffc1c7fc4f3857f@roc.usenetexchange.com>,
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote:
You have no credence here in our pristine Christian NGs. Libertine, for
you are considered an obnoxious atheist troll, trashing our beliefs and
flaming the friends of God, and trying in vain to proselytize your
atheism.
Please post your atheism to atheist groups. Thanks.
Anyone calling himself "Pastor" and posting such hate has no credence in
our otherwise pristine atheist NG.
Oh`sheeesh!!!! Another atheist trashing and flaming troll on the lose in
our pristine Christian NGs!!! Please post to atheist NGs ONLY!
Thanks.
And why does he post here if he finds our posting in his NGs ofensive?
Hardly Pastor-like behaviour.
This crap was posted by Crapper Frank to alt.atheism, which is why I do
not bother to scrub the idiot ngs (alt.bible, alt.christian.religion,
alt.religion) from the newsgroups heading before I post..
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. ATHEIST "PASTOR" FRANK |
24 Dec 2005 05:39:28 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:43A8545E.DA68DE54@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:439EFA65.E1E4F624@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
===>Note that, as far as the Christian "God", i.e.
YHWH of the Old Testament, father of Jesus, giver of
the Ten Commandments, etc. is concerned, the "pastor"
Frank is clearly an ATHEIST.
He invented his own "god", one that consists of (see above:)
"abstract qualities, like loving, caring, kindness etc. etc."
which he is trying to pass off as the 'real", "pristine"
"Christian God". -- L.
To make any
sense, and keep you from lying, all you need to do now is document your
assertions with the words of Jesus et al,
===>No one can "quote Jesus", since there is not a single word known
to ave been written by "Jesus". LYING is what YOU do, repeatedly
and constantly.
It is well known that YOU have denounced YHWH multiple times,
having invented your own "god", one that consists of (your words):
"abstract qualities, like loving, caring, kindness etc. etc."
which you are trying to pass off as the 'real", "pristine"
"Christian God".
By any definition, that makes YOU an "ATHEIST" with respect
to YHWH, whom you call the "God of the Jews". -- L.
"Since there is not a single word known of Jesus" how come you know so
much that ain't so, Libertine? We consider the Bible authoritative text
===>And you consider YHWH just "the god of the Jews" and the
Old Testament a collection of horror stories.
Does your "considering" it make it so?
By any definition, that makes YOU an "ATHEIST" with respect
to YHWH, whom you call the "God of the Jews". -- L
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. ATHEIST "PASTOR" FRANK |
21 Dec 2005 03:43:30 AM |
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In <43A8545E.DA68DE54@Nothing_But_The.Truth>, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
Plastic Fake is still around? I woulda thought the men in white coats
would've caught up with him by now...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2726554C
Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
29 Nov 2005 05:26:02 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:tE2if.30516$Y82.18186@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Well put!!!! Rick. Atheists are like children who lie in bed in the
dark trying to get to sleep, but fearing the boogieman under their beds,
they need to keep telling themselves that he doesn't exist. LOL
A typical response from religious believers that have NO objective reason
for their belief and can't defend it logically.
When you don't agree with the message attack the messenger!
How do you defend anyone's belief or disbelief in the boogieman
"logically"? We already conceded, that the god of atheist definition does
indeed not exist. What else do you want?
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in
Jesus Christ. We know love exists, though we cannot prove it "objectively",
but only indirectly by loving words and actions. See below How God manifests
Himself
Pastor Frank
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
'Love' [my *****]
"For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days
and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy
from off the face of the earth."
[Genesis 7:4]
religions
gods
cults
clubs
splinter groups
They are nothing but a gathering together of fearful humans with common
imaginary desires.
We have been doing it since back in The Stone Age
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN???. |
29 Nov 2005 12:23:58 PM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:438BE60E.2B1B05B0@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:tE2if.30516$Y82.18186@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
For your next act you're going to try to convince us that you're an
atheist that doesn't hate something that you don't believe in.
Of course we all know that it is this very disbelief you profess that
keeps you attacking something invisible that doesn't exist.
`snicker`
Well put!!!! Rick. Atheists are like children who lie in bed in the
dark trying to get to sleep, but fearing the boogieman under their
beds,
they need to keep telling themselves that he doesn't exist. LOL
A typical response from religious believers that have NO objective
reason
for their belief and can't defend it logically.
When you don't agree with the message attack the messenger!
How do you defend anyone's belief or disbelief in the boogieman
"logically"? We already conceded, that the god of atheist definition does
indeed not exist. What else do you want?
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested
in
Jesus Christ. We know love exists, though we cannot prove it
"objectively",
but only indirectly by loving words and actions. See below How God
manifests
Himself
Pastor Frank
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to
us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in
him.
'Love' [my *****]
"For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days
and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I
destroy
from off the face of the earth."
[Genesis 7:4]
Well at least you actually believe this happened. We are making progress.
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