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24 Nov 2005 07:47:59 PM |
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Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN??? |
"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
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First of all Bill, no one on this earth has been able to keep a human
alive for 200 years or more.
Irrelivent.
What to speak of create a human or an ant for that
matter from scratch, not by sexual intercourse etc.
Totally meaningless.
If you consider humans
intelligent, then it is obivous that their intelligence is insufficient
to understand how a human body is created.
Totally meaningless - what humans can or cannot do has nothing to do with
anything else.
Therefore, how can you concluded that it doesn't take any intelligence to
create the world?
How can you conclude it does?
All you are saying, here, is that because humans have limitations - there
must be a god.
TOTALLY irrational and illogical statement!
It takes intelligence to make cars and other machines.
But, it didn't take any intelligence to create humans, the most complex
machine on this planet! Come on.... this is a logical conclusion!
No; it isn't.
It takes intelligence to create (as man has done) NON natural things.
That has nothing at all to do with what is created in nature!
Two of the obviousd flaws in this - so called - thinking are that:
1: We have evidence that man created created those un-natural things
......... we have absolutelky NO evidence that some unsupported "god"
created anything.
2: Then there MUST have been something that created that fod!
Only an
idoit would conclude that the car in their garage appeared by chance.
Of course, that's why scientists don' use that word in defining either
evolution of humans, or the creation/evolution of the univeerse. It is
ONLY (mis) used by unintelligent creations who bellow simple minded
arguements that have no solid, rational, logicl or scientific basis.
My
lawn mower exploded and when the dust cleared there was a Toyota Minivan!
But, you actually believe that's how the most complicated machine on the
planet, a human, just came into existence, a result of an accident. Since
chance is so marvelous, why do we need scientist, let everything happen
by chance!
Again, just using irrational thinking based on religious zealots ignorance
and mental corruption.
No. Just irrational atheist trashing and flaming, by one who thinks he
knows, but won't tell ......without suitable financial incentive. LOL
After all it's atheist doctine, that the purpose in life is to make and
spend money, isn't it?
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN??? |
30 Nov 2005 06:41:21 PM |
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Jason wrote:
In article <438E2DDB.FA544C8E@Nothing_But_The.Truth>, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
[SNIPALOT]
Mark,
God created Adam and Eve.
===>Actually, it says that some ET named YHWH ELOHIM
sculpted the first man and animals out of mud.
He forgot to make him a mate, wanted him to do it with
some animals, Adam did not like that, so YHWH ELOHIM
made a mate for him from one of his ribs.
Isn't THAT what you believe?
No--your version of the story is very different than
the story in the Bible.
===>Tell me: how is it different?
You must not know the story very well! -- L.
-L.,
God made Adam and expected him to be happy.
===>The story says YHWH ELOHIM mad him out of mud.
He "formed the man from the dust of the ground
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life." (NIV)
And it does not say he "expected him to be happy".
Your version is not in the Bible. Mine is.
It was obvious that Adam was lonely so God
created Eve to become his wife.
===>Why was it not "obvious" to YHWH ELOHIM
right away?
It my opinion that the reason is because he gave
Adam free will.
===>Well, your "opinion" doesn't make much sense.
You are injecting Christian doctrine into the story.
That means that he had to allow
===>Why would a divine being "have to" do ANYTHING?
Adam to do whatever he wanted to do and God
watched him.
===>Did he "watch him" masturbate, or what?
He apparently didn't e know what Adam needed until
Adam told him he needed a WOMAN!
After watching him for a while,
he determined that Adam was lonely.
===>He obviously made proper mates for all the animals.
Why did he think Adam would be OK with some animals?
Is there a hidden implication about the lives of sheepherders?
I'm just guessing and so are you since neither
of us were witnesses.
===>I am not guessing, just reminding you of the
story as it is written, without Christian "interpretations"
about "free will" and other nonsense. -- L.
Again, the story says at first YHWH ELOHIM brought him
ANIMALS when he realized Adam was "lonely". He
"formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and
all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man...
But for Adam no suitable helper was found." (NIV)
If you want the real story, read the
first two chapters of the Bible.
===>The first two chapters present two totally
different creation fables.
I was referring to the second one, which tells
what I wrote.
Perhaps YOU should take your own advice and read it. -- L.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN??? |
29 Nov 2005 08:57:20 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:51:31 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-2911051851320001@pm4-broad-53.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <438CEA09.51298506@Nothing_But_The.Truth>, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Jason wrote:
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No--your version of the story is very different than
the story in the Bible.
===>Tell me: how is it different?
You must not know the story very well! -- L.
-L.,
God made Adam and expected him to be happy.
It was obvious that Adam was lonely so God
created Eve to become his wife.
If you want the real story, read the
first two chapters of the Bible.
Uh, Jason? Didn't anyone explain to you that these tales are not
history. The stories in Genesis were made up because someone had a need
to tell a cautionary or moral tale. They're no more or less real than
Grimms' and Aesop's.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN??? |
30 Nov 2005 04:56:58 PM |
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David Jensen wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:51:31 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-2911051851320001@pm4-broad-53.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <438CEA09.51298506@Nothing_But_The.Truth>, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Jason wrote:
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No--your version of the story is very different than
the story in the Bible.
===>Tell me: how is it different?
You must not know the story very well! -- L.
-L.,
God made Adam and expected him to be happy.
It was obvious that Adam was lonely so God
created Eve to become his wife.
If you want the real story, read the
first two chapters of the Bible.
Uh, Jason? Didn't anyone explain to you that these tales are not
history. The stories in Genesis were made up because someone had a need
to tell a cautionary or moral tale. They're no more or less real than
Grimms' and Aesop's.
===>Actually, the second story was written as a SATIRE, to make
fun of the deity of the Yahwist cult. -- L.
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| User: "Jason" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN??? |
29 Nov 2005 09:15:37 PM |
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In article <755qo1pbdo4a70tfm2ge7c0c1hlgvvhfoj@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:51:31 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-2911051851320001@pm4-broad-53.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <438CEA09.51298506@Nothing_But_The.Truth>, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Jason wrote:
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No--your version of the story is very different than
the story in the Bible.
===>Tell me: how is it different?
You must not know the story very well! -- L.
-L.,
God made Adam and expected him to be happy.
It was obvious that Adam was lonely so God
created Eve to become his wife.
If you want the real story, read the
first two chapters of the Bible.
Uh, Jason? Didn't anyone explain to you that these tales are not
history. The stories in Genesis were made up because someone had a need
to tell a cautionary or moral tale. They're no more or less real than
Grimms' and Aesop's.
You have the freedom to believe whatever you choose to believe
and I have the same freedom. One day you will realize that
I am right. Even if turns out that I am wrong--it means that
once my body turns to dust--that will be the end of my existence.
If it turns out that you are wrong--it means that one day you will
be standing before the judgement seat of God.
I'm looking forward to it--are you?
Jason
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| User: "Del" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN??? |
01 Dec 2005 12:39:43 PM |
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Jason wrote:
In article <755qo1pbdo4a70tfm2ge7c0c1hlgvvhfoj@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:51:31 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-2911051851320001@pm4-bro ad-53.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <438CEA09.51298506@Nothing_But_The.Truth>, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Jason wrote:
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No--your version of the story is very different than
the story in the Bible.
===>Tell me: how is it different?
You must not know the story very well! -- L.
-L.,
God made Adam and expected him to be happy.
It was obvious that Adam was lonely so God
created Eve to become his wife.
This is merely your opinion.
If you want the real story, read the
first two chapters of the Bible.
Uh, Jason? Didn't anyone explain to you that these tales are not
history. The stories in Genesis were made up because someone had a need
to tell a cautionary or moral tale. They're no more or less real than
Grimms' and Aesop's.
You have the freedom to believe whatever you choose to believe
and I have the same freedom.
One day you will realize that
I am right.
It's merely your opinion that you are right. Explain
why anyone should care what your opinion is when you mind
is totally closed on the subject.
Even if turns out th at I am wrong--it means that
once my body turns to dust--that will be the end of my existence.
If it turns out that you are wrong--it means that one day you will
be standing before the judgement seat of God.
Dumbass Pascals wager. The bet isn't between your
god or nothing. How do you know you believe in the
correct god? If you believe in the wrong one then you
will be in a world of *****.
I'm looking forward to it
Then why don't you take some high risk job or contract
a fatal disease or perform some selfless act that hastens
your departure? I guess you don't have _that_ much faith,
huh? Phony. LOL!
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: INTELLIGENT DESIGN??? |
30 Nov 2005 05:02:00 PM |
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Jason wrote:
In article <755qo1pbdo4a70tfm2ge7c0c1hlgvvhfoj@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:51:31 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-2911051851320001@pm4-broad-53.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <438CEA09.51298506@Nothing_But_The.Truth>, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Jason wrote:
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No--your version of the story is very different than
the story in the Bible.
===>Tell me: how is it different?
You must not know the story very well! -- L.
-L.,
God made Adam and expected him to be happy.
It was obvious that Adam was lonely so God
created Eve to become his wife.
If you want the real story, read the
first two chapters of the Bible.
Uh, Jason? Didn't anyone explain to you that these tales are not
history. The stories in Genesis were made up because someone had a need
to tell a cautionary or moral tale. They're no more or less real than
Grimms' and Aesop's.
You have the freedom to believe whatever you choose to believe
and I have the same freedom. One day you will realize that
I am right. Even if turns out that I am wrong--it means that
once my body turns to dust--that will be the end of my existence.
===>That is the BASIC teaching of the Bible.
"for dust you are
and to dust you will return."
Saul/Paul of Christianity promised that his followers will not
"to dust return", because the god Christos will come with angels,
transform them into a "spiritual body" and take them up
"into the clouds." Of course that never happened, so Christians
replaced that idea with the old Pagan concept of an "immortal soul". -- L.
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| User: "Jason" |
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30 Nov 2005 06:27:48 PM |
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In article <438E2F68.C20786FD@Nothing_But_The.Truth>, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Jason wrote:
In article <755qo1pbdo4a70tfm2ge7c0c1hlgvvhfoj@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:51:31 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-2911051851320001@pm4-broad-53.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <438CEA09.51298506@Nothing_But_The.Truth>, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Jason wrote:
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No--your version of the story is very different than
the story in the Bible.
===>Tell me: how is it different?
You must not know the story very well! -- L.
-L.,
God made Adam and expected him to be happy.
It was obvious that Adam was lonely so God
created Eve to become his wife.
If you want the real story, read the
first two chapters of the Bible.
Uh, Jason? Didn't anyone explain to you that these tales are not
history. The stories in Genesis were made up because someone had a need
to tell a cautionary or moral tale. They're no more or less real than
Grimms' and Aesop's.
You have the freedom to believe whatever you choose to believe
and I have the same freedom. One day you will realize that
I am right. Even if turns out that I am wrong--it means that
once my body turns to dust--that will be the end of my existence.
===>That is the BASIC teaching of the Bible.
"for dust you are
and to dust you will return."
That scripture is about what happens to a dead body.
It's not about the spirit and soul.
The spirit and sould never die.
Saul/Paul of Christianity promised that his followers will not
"to dust return", because the god Christos will come with angels,
transform them into a "spiritual body" and take them up
"into the clouds." Of course that never happened, so Christians
replaced that idea with the old Pagan concept of an "immortal soul". -- L.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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30 Nov 2005 06:51:44 PM |
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Jason wrote:
In article <438E2F68.C20786FD@Nothing_But_The.Truth>, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Jason wrote:
In article <755qo1pbdo4a70tfm2ge7c0c1hlgvvhfoj@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:51:31 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-2911051851320001@pm4-broad-53.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:
In article <438CEA09.51298506@Nothing_But_The.Truth>, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Jason wrote:
...
No--your version of the story is very different than
the story in the Bible.
===>Tell me: how is it different?
You must not know the story very well! -- L.
-L.,
God made Adam and expected him to be happy.
It was obvious that Adam was lonely so God
created Eve to become his wife.
If you want the real story, read the
first two chapters of the Bible.
Uh, Jason? Didn't anyone explain to you that these tales are not
history. The stories in Genesis were made up because someone had a need
to tell a cautionary or moral tale. They're no more or less real than
Grimms' and Aesop's.
You have the freedom to believe whatever you choose to believe
and I have the same freedom. One day you will realize that
I am right. Even if turns out that I am wrong--it means that
once my body turns to dust--that will be the end of my existence.
===>That is the BASIC teaching of the Bible.
"for dust you are
and to dust you will return."
That scripture is about what happens to a dead body.
It's not about the spirit and soul.
The spirit and sould never die.
===>There is NOTHING about any "spirit and soul" in the
story of creation.
The story says YHWH ELOHIM
"formed the man from the dust of the ground
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life." That means
Adam was sculpted out of mud and air was blown
into his nose to make him alive. THAT'S ALL! -- L.
Saul/Paul of Christianity promised that his followers will not
"to dust return", because the god Christos will come with angels,
transform them into a "spiritual body" and take them up
"into the clouds." Of course that never happened, so Christians
replaced that idea with the old Pagan concept of an "immortal soul". -- L.
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| User: "Frank Arthur" |
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29 Nov 2005 03:35:47 PM |
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Please Mark,
How about cutting God some slack. He (or she) has got to be at least
billions of years old. Maybe his/her eysight and hearing are pretty well
shot by now. With all the noise in space with the catyclysmic explosions of
the births of galaxies could set one on edge.
"Mark Donovan" <markd@dmark.org> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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"ZenIsWhen" <here'slooking@youkid.com> wrote in message
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Again, just using irrational thinking based on religious zealots
ignorance
and mental corruption.
No. Just irrational atheist trashing and flaming, by one who thinks
he
knows, but won't tell ......without suitable financial incentive. LOL
After all it's atheist doctine, that the purpose in life is to make
and
spend money, isn't it?
lol, and look how money orientated your born again president and the
religioustic peeps who voted for him are.
"money oriented"? You must be kidding!!! Lets see how "money oriented"
you would be, if you income were totally dependent upon the kindness and
free will offerings of other people. With you screeching abuse in every
post, no one would give you anything but brickbats.
Why would anyone need to worship such a lousy creator, who created such
violent, stupid, weak, physically and mentally inept species? And why the
creator is suffering from such a low self-esteem, which needs to
constantly
be elevated by praising and worshipping him?
Why didn't the Intelligent Designer design eyes that work, so that half
the
people on the planet don't need eyeglasses?
Why didn't the Intelligent Designer design a sense of hunger that works,
so
that people are not threatened by obesity?
Why didn't the Intelligent Designer design a heart that works, so that
heart
disease is not the number one killer in the United States?
Why didn't the Intelligent Designer design a digestive system that works,
so
that people are not constantly bothered by diarrhea and constipation?
Why didn't the Intelligent Designer design a brain that works, so that it
does not suffer from addictions to alcohol, nicotine, heroine, cocaine,
gambling, etc.?
Why didn't the Intelligent Designer design an immune system that works, so
that there is no such thing as the common cold (and all of the thousands
of
other diseases)?
Why didn't the Intelligent Designer design hair that works, so there is no
such thing as male pattern baldness?
Much more at:
http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/articles/braindesign/
Mark
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| User: "Sasha" |
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29 Nov 2005 09:26:48 AM |
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Lets see how "money oriented"
you would be, if you income were totally dependent upon the kindness and
free will offerings of other people.
I believe you were discussing how insane the president is with his
spending. Please stay on topic.
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