On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:27:28 +0000 (UTC),

of course been criticized in turn. None the less, depending
on exactly what Andrew means by "vertical change"

You don't recognize Argumentum ad hand-waving when you see it? He's
probably indirectly quoting Morris. You know, Henry the Idiot of the
ICR? He also uses the "it's just a horizontal change (or devolution),
not a vertical evolution" "argument" without defining either word.
Read
http://www.icr.org/bible/tracts/scientificcaseagainstevolution.html
for a good laugh. Notice the "bible/tracts/ part of the URL? Good
"scientific case" there.

"Cary Kittrell" wrote in message

"Andrew" writes:

"snex" wrote:

if a "vertical change" is an increase in information then it

already been supplied to you. the ability to digest man-made

is new information.

This is horizontal change, adaption...

"Bacteria can adapt to a range of conditions and food supplies.

change the type of enzymes that they produce if the food source

http://www.naturclean.com/AboutBac.html

Beg pardon? What, exactly, is your argument here? Are you
saying that the statement "Bacteria can adapt to a range of
conditions and food supplies. They can change the type of enzymes
that they produce if the food source changes" implies that
bacteria have some kind of inherent adaptability which
will allow them to eat anything they find in their
environment, and thus becoming able to metabolize a novel
polymer, new to this world, ws simply a matter of
adjusting a couple of existing molecular switches?

"Bacteria have the capability of producing many different types of

organisms that respond to their environment. In general, bacteria are

enzymes that degrade a wide variety of organic materials such as

proteins, and starches. It is important to note that all of these

must be reacted with more than one type of enzyme in order to be

their basic building blocks. Nature provides a specific "team" of

type of polymer. For example, there are three different classes of

exocellulases, cellobiohydrolases) that are required to degrade a

basic glucose units. All three types of enzymes are referred to as

attacks a specific structure or substructure of the polymer. Acting

cellulases is capable of efficiently degrading the polymer. Bacteria

"team" of enzymes that are necessary to degrade and consume the

in their environment at any given time. Moreover, bacteria can

the same time.

Bacteria can adapt to a range of conditions and food supplies. They

enzymes that they produce if the food source changes. They can

changes in environmental conditions by forming colonies, biofilms, or

bacteria live in "communities" made up of different species. Each

niche, and the population of each species grows or declines in

For example, a community may contain certain species that efficiently

other species that thrive on cellulose."

http://www.naturclean.com/AboutBac.html




Andrew

"Cary Kittrell" wrote in message news:cvi472$ot5$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...

"Andrew" writes:

"snex" wrote:

if a "vertical change" is an increase in information then it has
already been supplied to you. the ability to digest man-made substances
is new information.

This is horizontal change, adaption...

"Bacteria can adapt to a range of conditions and food supplies. They can
change the type of enzymes that they produce if the food source
changes."

http://www.naturclean.com/AboutBac.html

Beg pardon? What, exactly, is your argument here? Are you
saying that the statement "Bacteria can adapt to a range of
conditions and food supplies. They can change the type of enzymes
that they produce if the food source changes" implies that
bacteria have some kind of inherent adaptability which
will allow them to eat anything they find in their
environment, and thus becoming able to metabolize a novel
polymer, new to this world, ws simply a matter of
adjusting a couple of existing molecular switches?

"Bacteria have the capability of producing many different types of enzymes.
They are living
organisms that respond to their environment. In general, bacteria are capable
of producing
enzymes that degrade a wide variety of organic materials such as fats, oils,
cellulose, xylan,
proteins, and starches. It is important to note that all of these materials
are polymers that
must be reacted with more than one type of enzyme in order to be efficiently
degraded to
their basic building blocks. Nature provides a specific "team" of enzymes to
attack each
type of polymer. For example, there are three different classes of enzymes
(endocellulases,
exocellulases, cellobiohydrolases) that are required to degrade a cellulose
polymer into
basic glucose units. All three types of enzymes are referred to as
cellulases, but each class
attacks a specific structure or substructure of the polymer. Acting
individually, none of the
cellulases is capable of efficiently degrading the polymer. Bacteria can
produce the complete
"team" of enzymes that are necessary to degrade and consume the organic
materials present
in their environment at any given time. Moreover, bacteria can produce
multiple "teams" at
the same time.

Bacteria can adapt to a range of conditions and food supplies. They can
change the type of
enzymes that they produce if the food source changes. They can protect
themselves from
changes in environmental conditions by forming colonies, biofilms, or spores.
Importantly,
bacteria live in "communities" made up of different species. Each species
fills a biological
niche, and the population of each species grows or declines in response to
the environment.
For example, a community may contain certain species that efficiently degrade
grease, and
other species that thrive on cellulose."

http://www.naturclean.com/AboutBac.html

Andrew

"Bacteria can adapt to a range of conditions and food supplies. They can
change the type of enzymes that they produce if the food source changes."
http://www.naturclean.com/AboutBac.html