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Re: Is Anyone Here an ADVENTIST?! |
In article <1107423912.431243.254020@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Orion7
says...
Don't you know evolution is a farce? You are obviously a product of the
brain washing which goes on in our Schools, Colleges and Universities.
I have seen the desperate lengths these Professors and Scientists go to
make people believe in evolution, even fabricating evidence to support
their unsupportable theories.
1st Rule of Creationism: Ignored evidence will go away
2nd Rule of Creationism: Interpret any challenge as personal insult
3rd Rule of Creationism: Claim evidence then quietly slip away
4th Rule of Creationism: Don't be confused by facts
5th Rule of Creationism: Insist that science ignores your proof
6th Rule of Creationism: Claim superiority for Christian education.
7th Rule of Creationism: Always appear to know more than you do.
8th Rule of Creationism: Shift the burden of proof to your critics.
9th Rule of Creationism: Lying for the Lord is okay.
10th Rule of Creationism: Never acknowledge your demonstrated errors
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06 Feb 2005 03:39:07 PM |
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On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 23:37:24 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
said in alt.atheism:
"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message news:oneb015sgl3pace5vpac52vr18grb2869s@4ax.com...
Matt 4:8 says the earth is flat.
No it doesn't, but a fool may infer that it does.
"Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain,
and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory."
Matt 4:8
Demonstrate how you can see the entire surface of an opaque sphere
from a single vantage point. Only a fool would make THAT claim.
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conviction."
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| User: "MsAnthrope" |
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06 Feb 2005 04:47:41 PM |
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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:39:07 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
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On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 23:37:24 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
said in alt.atheism:
"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message news:oneb015sgl3pace5vpac52vr18grb2869s@4ax.com...
Matt 4:8 says the earth is flat.
No it doesn't, but a fool may infer that it does.
"Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain,
and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory."
Matt 4:8
Demonstrate how you can see the entire surface of an opaque sphere
from a single vantage point. Only a fool would make THAT claim.
If you've seen one side of a cue ball you've seen them all.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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06 Feb 2005 06:16:27 PM |
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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:47:41 -0800, MsAnthrope <ms@nthr.ope> said in
alt.atheism:
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:39:07 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 23:37:24 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
said in alt.atheism:
"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message news:oneb015sgl3pace5vpac52vr18grb2869s@4ax.com...
Matt 4:8 says the earth is flat.
No it doesn't, but a fool may infer that it does.
"Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain,
and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory."
Matt 4:8
Demonstrate how you can see the entire surface of an opaque sphere
from a single vantage point. Only a fool would make THAT claim.
If you've seen one side of a cue ball you've seen them all.
If you're referring to Andrew, it's "If you've seen one cue ball,
you've seen them all". :)
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"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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| User: "stoney" |
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08 Feb 2005 03:30:42 PM |
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On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 00:16:27 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:47:41 -0800, MsAnthrope <ms@nthr.ope> said in
alt.atheism:
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:39:07 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 23:37:24 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
said in alt.atheism:
"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message news:oneb015sgl3pace5vpac52vr18grb2869s@4ax.com...
Matt 4:8 says the earth is flat.
No it doesn't, but a fool may infer that it does.
"Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain,
and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory."
Matt 4:8
Demonstrate how you can see the entire surface of an opaque sphere
from a single vantage point. Only a fool would make THAT claim.
If you've seen one side of a cue ball you've seen them all.
If you're referring to Andrew, it's "If you've seen one cue ball,
you've seen them all". :)
Andrew is just another brainless cretinist screwball.
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Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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06 Feb 2005 04:55:49 AM |
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On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 23:37:24 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message news:oneb015sgl3pace5vpac52vr18grb2869s@4ax.com...
In alt.atheism on Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:54:03 -0800, "Andrew"
<andrew.321remov@usa.net> let us all know that:
"snex" wrote in message news:1107581434.136214.241690@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Andrew wrote:
"snex" wrote:
the majority of acadamia never accepted a flat earth. academics have
known the earth was spherical since the time of aristotle. a flat earth
was only believed by commoners in ancient times, and more recently only
by religious people who based it on, thats right, the bible.
The Bible contradicts the concept of a flat earth,
Matt 4:8 says the earth is flat.
No it doesn't, but a fool may infer that it does.
"Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain,
and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory."
Matt 4:8
Yep. Only possible if the earth is flat.
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purely my own
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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06 Feb 2005 06:33:10 PM |
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On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 23:37:24 -0800, "Andrew, the alt.atheism Jester"
<andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote:
No it doesn't, but a fool may infer that it does.
Well fool, does it say it has four corners or not?
Does it say you can see all the kingdoms of the world from a hillock
or not?
Go amuse a priest, but somewhere else.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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06 Feb 2005 03:38:04 PM |
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On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:54:03 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
said in alt.atheism:
"snex" wrote in message news:1107581434.136214.241690@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
The Bible contradicts the concept of a flat earth, nevertheless the Catholic Church
accepted it as official dogma in the 16th century.
Before that the RCC clung to its flat Earth beliefs - even though the
diameter of the ROUND Earth had been known for over 200 years at the
time Jesus was born.
a flat earth was never a valid theory given that the evidence for its
roundness predates the existence of humans.
And who acquired this evidence before the existence of humans?
That no one was there to acquire it doesn't mean that it wasn't there.
What I am saying is that, the teaching that life started in a "primordial soup" may
be considered a *valid theory* in the same way that the teaching that the earth is
flat was a *valid theory.*
It never was a theory, valid or invalid. That life started on a
lifeless Earth isn't a theory, it's a tautology.
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"I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or anything that could be under-
stood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can
comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of
humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism."
- 1954 or 1955; quoted in Dukas and Hoffman _Albert Einstein the Human Side_, p. 39
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| User: "Andrew" |
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06 Feb 2005 04:09:45 PM |
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"Al Klein" wrote in message news:k83d0119roft2qqbpc09hcstar9nmcu0mj@4ax.com...
That life started on a lifeless Earth isn't a theory, it's a tautology.
--
But that's not what is disputed.
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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06 Feb 2005 07:20:32 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:09:45 -0800, "Andrew"
<andrew.321remov@usa.net> let us all know that:
"Al Klein" wrote in message news:k83d0119roft2qqbpc09hcstar9nmcu0mj@4ax.com...
That life started on a lifeless Earth isn't a theory, it's a tautology.
--
But that's not what is disputed.
Yes: what is disputed is that claim that life only comes from
life, as where did god come from?
Don
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| User: "Andrew" |
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06 Feb 2005 10:59:49 PM |
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"Don Kresch" wrote in message news:ncgd01djmk3oesb9q5657b2v6jbooivuaa@4ax.com...
"Andrew" let us all know that:
"Al Klein" wrote:
That life started on a lifeless Earth isn't a theory, it's a tautology.
--
But that's not what is disputed.
Yes: what is disputed is that claim that life only comes from life..
Pasteur was never disproved - but keep trying.
Don
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| User: "snex" |
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07 Feb 2005 10:14:29 AM |
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Andrew wrote:
"Don Kresch" wrote in message
news:ncgd01djmk3oesb9q5657b2v6jbooivuaa@4ax.com...
"Andrew" let us all know that:
"Al Klein" wrote:
That life started on a lifeless Earth isn't a theory, it's a
tautology.
--
But that's not what is disputed.
Yes: what is disputed is that claim that life only comes from
life..
Pasteur was never disproved - but keep trying.
Don
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youre correct. pasteur was never disproved. maggots do not come from
rotting meat. but what does this have to do with self-replicating RNA?
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| User: "Ash" |
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07 Feb 2005 01:52:18 PM |
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Andrew wrote:
"Don Kresch" wrote in message news:ncgd01djmk3oesb9q5657b2v6jbooivuaa@4ax.com...
"Andrew" let us all know that:
"Al Klein" wrote:
That life started on a lifeless Earth isn't a theory, it's a tautology.
--
But that's not what is disputed.
Yes: what is disputed is that claim that life only comes from life..
Pasteur was never disproved - but keep trying.
and how does one experiment that modern bacteria do not form from
nothing prove anything?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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07 Feb 2005 07:04:56 PM |
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On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:59:49 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
said in alt.atheism:
"Don Kresch" wrote in message news:ncgd01djmk3oesb9q5657b2v6jbooivuaa@4ax.com...
"Andrew" let us all know that:
"Al Klein" wrote:
That life started on a lifeless Earth isn't a theory, it's a tautology.
But that's not what is disputed.
Yes: what is disputed is that claim that life only comes from life..
Pasteur was never disproved
We're not talking about spontaneous generation, we're talking about
abiogenesis. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. It's
only your lack of knowledge of biology and chemistry that makes them
look similar to you.
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"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
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| User: "Andrew" |
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08 Feb 2005 12:54:45 AM |
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"Al Klein" wrote in message news:gv3g01hif4p4qhke38lhmbostspkv1vi2r@4ax.com...
"Andrew" said in alt.atheism:
"Don Kresch" wrote:
"Andrew" let us all know that:
"Al Klein" wrote:
That life started on a lifeless Earth isn't a theory, it's a tautology.
But that's not what is disputed.
Yes: what is disputed is that claim that life only comes from life..
Pasteur was never disproved
We're not talking about spontaneous generation, we're talking about
abiogenesis. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. It's
only your lack of knowledge of biology and chemistry that makes them
look similar to you.
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a·bi·o·gen·e·sis (noun): The supposed development of living organisms from
nonliving matter. Also called autogenesis, spontaneous
generation. Disproved by Louis Pasteur in 1859.
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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08 Feb 2005 07:09:35 AM |
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In alt.atheism on Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:54:45 -0800, "Andrew"
<andrew.321remov@usa.net> let us all know that:
"Al Klein" wrote in message news:gv3g01hif4p4qhke38lhmbostspkv1vi2r@4ax.com...
"Andrew" said in alt.atheism:
"Don Kresch" wrote:
"Andrew" let us all know that:
"Al Klein" wrote:
That life started on a lifeless Earth isn't a theory, it's a tautology.
But that's not what is disputed.
Yes: what is disputed is that claim that life only comes from life..
Pasteur was never disproved
We're not talking about spontaneous generation, we're talking about
abiogenesis. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. It's
only your lack of knowledge of biology and chemistry that makes them
look similar to you.
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a·bi·o·gen·e·sis (noun): The supposed development of living organisms from
nonliving matter.
God (noun): The supposed lifeform from which all life came, but
itself didn't come from anywhere. See also: hoax.
Also called autogenesis,
Nope.
spontaneous generation.
Not called that, either.
You're putting forth a hoax.
Don
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08 Feb 2005 09:11:55 AM |
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"Don Kresch" wrote in message news:deeh01984pa2ljv226bguqlps1f5f19aqi@4ax.com...
"Andrew" let us all know that:
"Al Klein" wrote:
"Andrew" said in alt.atheism:
"Don Kresch" wrote:
"Andrew" let us all know that:
"Al Klein" wrote:
That life started on a lifeless Earth isn't a theory, it's a tautology.
But that's not what is disputed.
Yes: what is disputed is that claim that life only comes from life..
Pasteur was never disproved
We're not talking about spontaneous generation, we're talking about
abiogenesis. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. It's
only your lack of knowledge of biology and chemistry that makes them
look similar to you.
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a·bi·o·gen·e·sis (noun): The supposed development of living organisms from
nonliving matter.
God (noun): The supposed lifeform from which all life came, but
itself didn't come from anywhere. See also: hoax.
Also called autogenesis,
Nope.
spontaneous generation.
Not called that, either.
You're putting forth a hoax.
Don
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Not me, Don. It's a dictionary. Really!
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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08 Feb 2005 05:28:38 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:11:55 -0800, "Andrew"
<andrew.321remov@usa.net> let us all know that:
"Don Kresch" wrote in message news:deeh01984pa2ljv226bguqlps1f5f19aqi@4ax.com...
"Andrew" let us all know that:
"Al Klein" wrote:
"Andrew" said in alt.atheism:
"Don Kresch" wrote:
"Andrew" let us all know that:
"Al Klein" wrote:
That life started on a lifeless Earth isn't a theory, it's a tautology.
But that's not what is disputed.
Yes: what is disputed is that claim that life only comes from life..
Pasteur was never disproved
We're not talking about spontaneous generation, we're talking about
abiogenesis. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. It's
only your lack of knowledge of biology and chemistry that makes them
look similar to you.
--
a·bi·o·gen·e·sis (noun): The supposed development of living organisms from
nonliving matter.
God (noun): The supposed lifeform from which all life came, but
itself didn't come from anywhere. See also: hoax.
Also called autogenesis,
Nope.
spontaneous generation.
Not called that, either.
You're putting forth a hoax.
Not me, Don.
Yes, it is you, Andrew.
And since you've never responded to me regarding my destruction
of the supposed prophecies that jesus fulfilled, I take it that you
concede that jesus filled no prophecies.
Don
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08 Feb 2005 11:53:13 AM |
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On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:11:55 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Not me, Don. It's a dictionary. Really!
What dictionary gives that definition?
--
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Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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08 Feb 2005 07:22:13 PM |
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On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 07:11:55 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
said in alt.atheism:
Not me, Don. It's a dictionary. Really!
See my previous post re: dictionaries.
Do you have anything to say that doesn't come from a dictionary or a
creationist web site?
(IOW, we've heard all this before, Andy. Many times. It was
scientifically refuted long before most of us were born. So your
repeating it isn't going to convince us that all those scientists,
over all those decades, were wrong.)
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"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their
numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion,
only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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08 Feb 2005 01:09:42 AM |
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On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:54:45 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" wrote in message news:gv3g01hif4p4qhke38lhmbostspkv1vi2r@4ax.com...
We're not talking about spontaneous generation, we're talking about
abiogenesis. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. It's
only your lack of knowledge of biology and chemistry that makes them
look similar to you.
a·bi·o·gen·e·sis (noun): The supposed development of living organisms from
nonliving matter.
In a reducing atmosphere on a sterile planet.
Disproved by Louis Pasteur in 1859.
False - Pasteur never addressed either a reducing atmosphere or a
sterile planet.
As I said, it's only your lack of knowledge of biology and chemistry
that makes them look similar to you.
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| User: "Andrew" |
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08 Feb 2005 02:03:52 AM |
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"Al Klein" wrote in message news:g9pg01t8via58oti0np4n5sa0huktnth9b@4ax.com...
"Andrew" said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" wrote:
We're not talking about spontaneous generation, we're talking about
abiogenesis. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. It's
only your lack of knowledge of biology and chemistry that makes them
look similar to you.
a·bi·o·gen·e·sis (noun): The supposed development of living organisms from
nonliving matter.
In a reducing atmosphere on a sterile planet.
Disproved by Louis Pasteur in 1859.
False - Pasteur never addressed either a reducing atmosphere or a
sterile planet.
Let's -suppose- you had an early earth with a reducing atmosphere, (even
though reducing evidence in geology is lacking or debatable). What is the
BEST you can hope for??
Andrew
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08 Feb 2005 07:10:15 AM |
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In alt.atheism on Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:03:52 -0800, "Andrew"
<andrew.321remov@usa.net> let us all know that:
"Al Klein" wrote in message news:g9pg01t8via58oti0np4n5sa0huktnth9b@4ax.com...
"Andrew" said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" wrote:
We're not talking about spontaneous generation, we're talking about
abiogenesis. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. It's
only your lack of knowledge of biology and chemistry that makes them
look similar to you.
a·bi·o·gen·e·sis (noun): The supposed development of living organisms from
nonliving matter.
In a reducing atmosphere on a sterile planet.
Disproved by Louis Pasteur in 1859.
False - Pasteur never addressed either a reducing atmosphere or a
sterile planet.
Let's -suppose- you had an early earth with a reducing atmosphere, (even
though reducing evidence in geology is lacking or debatable). What is the
BEST you can hope for??
Let's suppose that we take your god-hoax seriously for a moment.
What is the BEST you can hope for to come from your hoax?
Don
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Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
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08 Feb 2005 06:55:41 PM |
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On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:03:52 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
said in alt.atheism:
Let's -suppose- you had an early earth with a reducing atmosphere, (even
though reducing evidence in geology is lacking or debatable).
It's one of the few things science can prove.
What is the BEST you can hope for??
Whether it's best or not is moot. The probability of life forming in
a reducing atmosphere on a sterile planet, is 1.0 - certainty. It's
here, isn't it?
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"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the
type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his
physical death is also beyond my comprehension,...; such notions are for the fears or
absurd egoism of feeble souls."
- Albert Einstein
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: There Are No Transitional Fossil Men |
08 Feb 2005 02:43:41 AM |
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On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:54:45 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote in message news:gv3g01hif4p4qhke38lhmbostspkv1vi2r@4ax.com...
"Andrew" said in alt.atheism:
"Don Kresch" wrote:
"Andrew" let us all know that:
"Al Klein" wrote:
That life started on a lifeless Earth isn't a theory, it's a tautology.
But that's not what is disputed.
Yes: what is disputed is that claim that life only comes from life..
Pasteur was never disproved
We're not talking about spontaneous generation, we're talking about
abiogenesis. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. It's
only your lack of knowledge of biology and chemistry that makes them
look similar to you.
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a·bi·o·gen·e·sis (noun): The supposed development of living organisms from
nonliving matter. Also called autogenesis, spontaneous
generation. Disproved by Louis Pasteur in 1859.
Sorry, Andy. Pasteur's experiment had nothing to do with abiogenesis.
It was designed to refute the medieval concept of spontaneous
generation (which, before you bother to say anything, isn't at all the
same thing). It succeeded.
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| User: "Andrew" |
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| Title: Re: There Are No Transitional Fossil Men |
08 Feb 2005 03:19:08 AM |
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"John Baker" wrote in message news:r0vg01tp4cce0l5qfhk4mo7br65k98mt86@4ax.com...
"Andrew" wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote:
"Andrew" said:
"Don Kresch" wrote:
"Andrew" let us all know that:
"Al Klein" wrote:
That life started on a lifeless Earth isn't a theory, it's a tautology.
But that's not what is disputed.
Yes: what is disputed is that claim that life only comes from life..
Pasteur was never disproved
We're not talking about spontaneous generation, we're talking about
abiogenesis. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. It's
only your lack of knowledge of biology and chemistry that makes them
look similar to you.
--
a·bi·o·gen·e·sis (noun): The supposed development of living organisms from
nonliving matter. Also called autogenesis, spontaneous
generation. Disproved by Louis Pasteur in 1859.
Sorry, Andy. Pasteur's experiment had nothing to do with abiogenesis.
It was designed to refute the medieval concept of spontaneous generation...
Did you read the definition? It's the same thing! We look down on those "medieval
concepts" of spontaneous generation, but neo-academia has embraced the same false-
hood today. It is a grand Hoax"
Andrew
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| User: "Ash" |
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| Title: Re: There Are No Transitional Fossil Men |
08 Feb 2005 03:45:49 AM |
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Andrew wrote:
"John Baker" wrote in message news:r0vg01tp4cce0l5qfhk4mo7br65k98mt86@4ax.com...
"Andrew" wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote:
"Andrew" said:
"Don Kresch" wrote:
"Andrew" let us all know that:
"Al Klein" wrote:
That life started on a lifeless Earth isn't a theory, it's a tautology.
But that's not what is disputed.
Yes: what is disputed is that claim that life only comes from life..
Pasteur was never disproved
We're not talking about spontaneous generation, we're talking about
abiogenesis. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. It's
only your lack of knowledge of biology and chemistry that makes them
look similar to you.
--
a·bi·o·gen·e·sis (noun): The supposed development of living organisms from
nonliving matter. Also called autogenesis, spontaneous
generation. Disproved by Louis Pasteur in 1859.
Sorry, Andy. Pasteur's experiment had nothing to do with abiogenesis.
It was designed to refute the medieval concept of spontaneous generation...
Did you read the definition? It's the same thing! We look down on those "medieval
concepts" of spontaneous generation, but neo-academia has embraced the same false-
hood today. It is a grand Hoax"
So it isn't the idea of life from noon life you object to, it is the use
of the word "abiogenesis"?
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: There Are No Transitional Fossil Men |
08 Feb 2005 07:10:48 AM |
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In alt.atheism on Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:19:08 -0800, "Andrew"
<andrew.321remov@usa.net> let us all know that:
"John Baker" wrote in message news:r0vg01tp4cce0l5qfhk4mo7br65k98mt86@4ax.com...
"Andrew" wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote:
"Andrew" said:
"Don Kresch" wrote:
"Andrew" let us all know that:
"Al Klein" wrote:
That life started on a lifeless Earth isn't a theory, it's a tautology.
But that's not what is disputed.
Yes: what is disputed is that claim that life only comes from life..
Pasteur was never disproved
We're not talking about spontaneous generation, we're talking about
abiogenesis. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. It's
only your lack of knowledge of biology and chemistry that makes them
look similar to you.
--
a·bi·o·gen·e·sis (noun): The supposed development of living organisms from
nonliving matter. Also called autogenesis, spontaneous
generation. Disproved by Louis Pasteur in 1859.
Sorry, Andy. Pasteur's experiment had nothing to do with abiogenesis.
It was designed to refute the medieval concept of spontaneous generation...
Did you read the definition?
Yes: it's a definition that comes only from creationist hoaxers,
and is not a valid definition.
Don
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: There Are No Transitional Fossil Men |
08 Feb 2005 11:52:22 AM |
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On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:19:08 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Did you read the definition? It's the same thing! We look down on those "medieval
concepts" of spontaneous generation, but neo-academia has embraced the same false-
hood today. It is a grand Hoax"
No, the concept Pasteur disproved was that maggots spontaneously
sprouted in rotting meat and the like. Abiogenesis concerns the
development of self-replicating proteins over a period of a billion
years or more.
I find it amusing that your most recent evidence comes from an age
when electricity wasn't in common use.
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Andrew" |
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| Title: Re: There Are No Transitional Fossil Men |
08 Feb 2005 04:43:10 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" wrote in message news:e1vh011s4jqr7hbg8feg0tu5d8qd55anmn@4ax.com...
"Andrew" drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following:
Did you read the definition? It's the same thing! We look down on those "medieval
concepts" of spontaneous generation, but neo-academia has embraced the same false-
hood today. It is a grand Hoax"
No, the concept Pasteur disproved was that maggots spontaneously
sprouted in rotting meat and the like. Abiogenesis concerns the
development of self-replicating proteins over a period of a billion
years or more.
Same principle! Just add time, make it "a billion years or more."
I find it amusing that..
I also find it amusing that you and so many other seemingly intelligent folk do
actually believe and have fallen for - the grand Hoax. It's like those in the old
medieval times who believed in the falsehood of spontaneous generation.
Andrew
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| User: "snex" |
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| Title: Re: There Are No Transitional Fossil Men |
08 Feb 2005 04:58:33 PM |
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Andrew wrote:
"Douglas Berry" wrote in message
news:e1vh011s4jqr7hbg8feg0tu5d8qd55anmn@4ax.com...
"Andrew" drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag
and drunkenly
proclaimed the following:
Did you read the definition? It's the same thing! We look down
on those "medieval
concepts" of spontaneous generation, but neo-academia has embraced
the same false-
hood today. It is a grand Hoax"
No, the concept Pasteur disproved was that maggots spontaneously
sprouted in rotting meat and the like. Abiogenesis concerns the
development of self-replicating proteins over a period of a billion
years or more.
Same principle! Just add time, make it "a billion years or more."
I find it amusing that..
I also find it amusing that you and so many other seemingly
intelligent folk do
actually believe and have fallen for - the grand Hoax. It's like
those in the old
medieval times who believed in the falsehood of spontaneous
generation.
Andrew
what you are ignoring is that we know WHY rats dont form in dirty rags
or WHY maggots dont form on rotting meat. the same reason does NOT
apply to self-replicating simple molecules, and neither you nor any
other creationist has proposed such a reason.
do you think you are converting people by lying over and over? holding
onto your strawman will not win people over to your side.
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