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03 Feb 2005 08:41:57 AM |
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Re: Is Anyone Here an ADVENTIST?! |
In article <1107423912.431243.254020@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Orion7
says...
Don't you know evolution is a farce? You are obviously a product of the
brain washing which goes on in our Schools, Colleges and Universities.
I have seen the desperate lengths these Professors and Scientists go to
make people believe in evolution, even fabricating evidence to support
their unsupportable theories.
1st Rule of Creationism: Ignored evidence will go away
2nd Rule of Creationism: Interpret any challenge as personal insult
3rd Rule of Creationism: Claim evidence then quietly slip away
4th Rule of Creationism: Don't be confused by facts
5th Rule of Creationism: Insist that science ignores your proof
6th Rule of Creationism: Claim superiority for Christian education.
7th Rule of Creationism: Always appear to know more than you do.
8th Rule of Creationism: Shift the burden of proof to your critics.
9th Rule of Creationism: Lying for the Lord is okay.
10th Rule of Creationism: Never acknowledge your demonstrated errors
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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22 Feb 2005 05:22:42 PM |
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 00:52:55 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" wrote in message news:8l4l11hg9tuk376io6v9fmutntvji6sb7u@4ax.com...
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:49:07 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
said in alt.atheism:
Yes, this happens naturally resulting in variation. But where did the
instructions in the existing code come from?
There are no instructions for variation in DNA. Variation comes from
many sources, but not one comes from an "instruction".
Variation comes by genetic factors.
That's like saying that pitch comes from tone. Of course genetic
variation comes from genetic factors, Andrew. Look up "tautology".
However ... you claimed that there are instructions for that variation
in the genetic code. There aren't. Period. You were wrong, Andrew.
The genetic code is solely instructions for making proteins, switches
and "junk genes" (which aren't really junk). There are no "evolution
instructions" or "variation instructions" in the DNA code. The
"variation instructions" are in the laws of chemistry and the laws of
physics.
Now you can just admit that you were wrong and move on, or you can
make some other inane comment in an attempt to not look foolish, fail
and make yourself look even more foolish. Or you can just drop out of
this thread, since you seem to be so overmatched that you're going to
really embarrass yourself pretty soon. I mean, there are people
posting to this thread who actually *know* something about biological
evolution.
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rukbat at verizon dot net
There are three kinds of men:
The ones that learn by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence.
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23 Feb 2005 01:46:51 AM |
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"Al Klein" wrote in message news:3bfn11d284atatec4iueqsi5aipl056nke@4ax.com...
I mean, there are people posting to this thread who
actually *know* something about biological evolution.
Yes, like this one here ...............................................................
"Just some clay matrix holding a few amino acids + time = LIFE."
~ Al Klein ~
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23 Feb 2005 02:12:15 AM |
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Andrew wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote in message
news:3bfn11d284atatec4iueqsi5aipl056nke@4ax.com...
I mean, there are people posting to this thread who
actually *know* something about biological evolution.
Yes, like this one here
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"Just some clay matrix holding a few amino acids + time = LIFE."
~ Al Klein ~
what about this one here andrew? the one whose questions you never
answer and whose facts you ignore?
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23 Feb 2005 01:25:00 PM |
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In article <382qnbF5i80c4U1@individual.net>,
"Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote in message
news:3bfn11d284atatec4iueqsi5aipl056nke@4ax.com...
I mean, there are people posting to this thread who
actually *know* something about biological evolution.
Yes, like this one here
But Andrew clearly knows virtually nothing about biology, and no much
about theology.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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23 Feb 2005 11:47:23 AM |
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:46:51 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" wrote in message news:3bfn11d284atatec4iueqsi5aipl056nke@4ax.com...
I mean, there are people posting to this thread who
actually *know* something about biological evolution.
Yes, like this one here ...............................................................
"Just some clay matrix holding a few amino acids + time = LIFE."
Dr A. G. Cairns-Smith is an Honorary Senior Research Fellow in the
Chemistry Department of the University of Glasgow. He holds a Ph.D.
in synthetic and solid state organic chemistry. He gave classes in
organic chemistry, molecular biology and the philosophy of science for
40 years. He's a Fellow of the Royal Society of Edinburgh, a Fellow
of the Institute of Biology and a Fellow of the International Society
for the Study of the Origin of Life, and you're laughing at an
hypothesis he put forward? What are your qualifications for doing so,
Andrew? Do you have any qualifications at all?
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of
themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
- Bertrand Russell
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| User: "Andrew" |
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23 Feb 2005 03:45:22 PM |
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"Al Klein" wrote in message news:fufp11ht0p2bb9riroacdour1v4qcpnq4g@4ax.com...
"Andrew" said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" wrote in message news:3bfn11d284atatec4iueqsi5aipl056nke@4ax.com...
I mean, there are people posting to this thread who
actually *know* something about biological evolution.
Yes, like this one here ...............................................................
"Just some clay matrix holding a few amino acids + time = LIFE."
Dr A. G. Cairns-Smith is an Honorary Senior Research Fellow in the
Chemistry Department of the University of Glasgow. He holds a Ph.D.
in synthetic and solid state organic chemistry. He gave classes in
organic chemistry, molecular biology and the philosophy of science for
40 years. He's a Fellow of the Royal Society of Edinburgh, a Fellow
of the Institute of Biology and a Fellow of the International Society
for the Study of the Origin of Life, and you're laughing at an
hypothesis he put forward?
Yes, I'm roaring with laughter Al, because it's obvious that the Emperor
has no clothes! Here you said it was a hypothesis. In your original post
you presented it as if that is how it was and that you actually believed it.
Andrew
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23 Feb 2005 03:53:37 PM |
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Andrew wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote in message
news:fufp11ht0p2bb9riroacdour1v4qcpnq4g@4ax.com...
"Andrew" said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" wrote in message
news:3bfn11d284atatec4iueqsi5aipl056nke@4ax.com...
I mean, there are people posting to this thread who
actually *know* something about biological evolution.
Yes, like this one here
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"Just some clay matrix holding a few amino acids + time = LIFE."
Dr A. G. Cairns-Smith is an Honorary Senior Research Fellow in the
Chemistry Department of the University of Glasgow. He holds a
Ph.D.
in synthetic and solid state organic chemistry. He gave classes in
organic chemistry, molecular biology and the philosophy of science
for
40 years. He's a Fellow of the Royal Society of Edinburgh, a
Fellow
of the Institute of Biology and a Fellow of the International
Society
for the Study of the Origin of Life, and you're laughing at an
hypothesis he put forward?
Yes, I'm roaring with laughter Al, because it's obvious that the
Emperor
has no clothes! Here you said it was a hypothesis. In your original
post
you presented it as if that is how it was and that you actually
believed it.
Andrew
andrew once again confuses the definitions of scientific terms.
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| User: "Virgil" |
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23 Feb 2005 04:25:10 PM |
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In article <384brgF5gu511U1@individual.net>,
"Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote in message
news:fufp11ht0p2bb9riroacdour1v4qcpnq4g@4ax.com...
"Andrew" said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" wrote in message
news:3bfn11d284atatec4iueqsi5aipl056nke@4ax.com...
I mean, there are people posting to this thread who
actually *know* something about biological evolution.
Yes, like this one here
...............................................................
"Just some clay matrix holding a few amino acids + time = LIFE."
Dr A. G. Cairns-Smith is an Honorary Senior Research Fellow in the
Chemistry Department of the University of Glasgow. He holds a Ph.D.
in synthetic and solid state organic chemistry. He gave classes in
organic chemistry, molecular biology and the philosophy of science for
40 years. He's a Fellow of the Royal Society of Edinburgh, a Fellow
of the Institute of Biology and a Fellow of the International Society
for the Study of the Origin of Life, and you're laughing at an
hypothesis he put forward?
Yes, I'm roaring with laughter Al, because it's obvious that the Emperor
has no clothes! Here you said it was a hypothesis. In your original post
you presented it as if that is how it was and that you actually believed it.
Andrew
Look in your own mirror to see whether you are clad in anything but your
imagination.
The scientific theory presented has, as far as I know, not been
falsified, so there is no reason to prohibit belief in it.
Whether it will, in time, replace other scientific theories of
abiogenesis will depend on evidence yet to be presented. It is in no
danger of being replaced by unscientific theories.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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23 Feb 2005 05:39:21 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:45:22 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" wrote in message news:fufp11ht0p2bb9riroacdour1v4qcpnq4g@4ax.com...
"Andrew" said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" wrote in message news:3bfn11d284atatec4iueqsi5aipl056nke@4ax.com...
I mean, there are people posting to this thread who
actually *know* something about biological evolution.
Yes, like this one here ...............................................................
"Just some clay matrix holding a few amino acids + time = LIFE."
Dr A. G. Cairns-Smith is an Honorary Senior Research Fellow in the
Chemistry Department of the University of Glasgow. He holds a Ph.D.
in synthetic and solid state organic chemistry. He gave classes in
organic chemistry, molecular biology and the philosophy of science for
40 years. He's a Fellow of the Royal Society of Edinburgh, a Fellow
of the Institute of Biology and a Fellow of the International Society
for the Study of the Origin of Life, and you're laughing at an
hypothesis he put forward?
Yes, I'm roaring with laughter Al, because it's obvious that the Emperor
has no clothes! Here you said it was a hypothesis. In your original post
you presented it as if that is how it was and that you actually believed it.
I'm only responsible for what I write, not for what you interpret it
to mean to you.
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"Never in human history have such genocide and cruelty been
witnessed. Such a genocide was never seen in the time of the pharaohs nor
of Hitler nor of Mussolini."
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21 Feb 2005 03:52:39 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:18:01 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) said in alt.atheism:
The blades in the turbines in the engines on the last jetliner
you flew on may have been those desgned by such an evolved program.
Andrew refuses to accept that evolutionary design programs design
things much more efficiently (not to mention, in ways human beings
would never have thought of) than human beings do. And, aside from
some clay matrix holding a few amino acids long enough for them to
bud, nothing more was needed - just change and selection.
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
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| User: "Andrew" |
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21 Feb 2005 05:02:52 PM |
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"Al Klein" wrote in message news:uslk115sg8raui1aldth7ie2e75o8khl1i@4ax.com...
And, aside from some clay matrix holding a few amino acids long enough
for them to bud, nothing more was needed - just change and selection.
Just "some clay matrix holding a few amino acids" + time = LIFE. <-------- hoax
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| User: "snex" |
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21 Feb 2005 05:04:35 PM |
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Andrew wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote in message
news:uslk115sg8raui1aldth7ie2e75o8khl1i@4ax.com...
And, aside from some clay matrix holding a few amino acids long
enough
for them to bud, nothing more was needed - just change and
selection.
Just "some clay matrix holding a few amino acids" + time = LIFE.
<-------- hoax
when are you going to supply evidence instead of assertions?
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| User: "Andrew" |
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21 Feb 2005 07:57:53 PM |
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"snex" wrote in message news:1109027075.596536.210090@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Andrew wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote:
And, aside from some clay matrix holding a few amino acids long enough
for them to bud, nothing more was needed - just change and selection.
Just "some clay matrix holding a few amino acids" + time = LIFE. <-------- hoax
when are you going to supply evidence instead of assertions?
If you had demanded evidence earlier in your life you would have rejected the hoax.
^^^^^^^^
Andrew
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| User: "snex" |
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21 Feb 2005 08:00:21 PM |
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Andrew wrote:
"snex" wrote in message
news:1109027075.596536.210090@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Andrew wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote:
And, aside from some clay matrix holding a few amino acids
long enough
for them to bud, nothing more was needed - just change and
selection.
Just "some clay matrix holding a few amino acids" + time = LIFE.
<-------- hoax
when are you going to supply evidence instead of assertions?
If you had demanded evidence earlier in your life you would have
rejected the hoax.
^^^^^^^^
Andrew
evasion noted andrew. is this how you witness to others?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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21 Feb 2005 11:25:59 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:57:53 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
said in alt.atheism:
"snex" wrote in message news:1109027075.596536.210090@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Andrew wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote:
And, aside from some clay matrix holding a few amino acids long enough
for them to bud, nothing more was needed - just change and selection.
Just "some clay matrix holding a few amino acids" + time = LIFE. <-------- hoax
when are you going to supply evidence instead of assertions?
If you had demanded evidence earlier in your life you would have rejected the hoax.
^^^^^^^^
I take it, then, that your answer is "never"?
--
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"The doctrine that the earth is neither the center of the universe nor immovable, but
moves even with a daily rotation, is absurd, and both philosophically and theologically
false, and at the least an error of faith."
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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21 Feb 2005 07:59:20 PM |
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Andrew wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote in message news:uslk115sg8raui1aldth7ie2e75o8khl1i@4ax.com...
And, aside from some clay matrix holding a few amino acids long enough
for them to bud, nothing more was needed - just change and selection.
Just "some clay matrix holding a few amino acids" + time = LIFE. <-------- hoax
And YOUR objective evidence to support this claim would be..........what?
Or like everything else you post, is it just something you prefer to
believe in?
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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22 Feb 2005 03:20:46 AM |
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"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" wrote in message news:nigqe2-7pb1.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
Andrew wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote:
And, aside from some clay matrix holding a few amino acids long enough
for them to bud, nothing more was needed - just change and selection.
Just "some clay matrix holding a few amino acids" + time = LIFE. <-------- hoax
And YOUR objective evidence to support this claim would be..........what?
I certainly would make no such fanciful claim. It was made by Al Klein.
We should give him credit though, for succinctly summing up...the hoax.
"Just some clay matrix holding a few amino acids + time = LIFE."
~ Al Klein (& the masses deceived by the hoax)
Andrew
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| User: "Virgil" |
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22 Feb 2005 01:25:20 PM |
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In article <380brgF5in7rpU1@individual.net>,
"Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote:
I certainly would make no such fanciful claim. It was made by Al Klein.
We should give him credit though, for succinctly summing up...the hoax.
Do you, Andrew, have any evidence that any hoax has been perpetrated?
I have seen none, though you have claimed it without benefit of any
evidence supporting that claim often enough.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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21 Feb 2005 11:28:11 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:59:20 -0700, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"
<ktayloraz@getnet.net> said in alt.atheism:
Andrew wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote in message news:uslk115sg8raui1aldth7ie2e75o8khl1i@4ax.com...
And, aside from some clay matrix holding a few amino acids long enough
for them to bud, nothing more was needed - just change and selection.
Just "some clay matrix holding a few amino acids" + time = LIFE. <-------- hoax
And YOUR objective evidence to support this claim would be..........what?
Or like everything else you post, is it just something you prefer to
believe in?
Like most other Christians, Karl, it's something Andrew *MUST* cling
to. Otherwise he'd have to admit that his religion is false, there's
no morality for him and when he dies, he just dies. And he couldn't
live if he believed that, so he has to believe in his beliefs to
retain what he thinks of as his sanity. Just like most other inmates
in this institution.
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your
Christ."
- Mohandas Gandhi
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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21 Feb 2005 06:32:24 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:02:52 -0800, "Andrew"
<andrew.321remov@usa.net> let us all know that:
"Al Klein" wrote in message news:uslk115sg8raui1aldth7ie2e75o8khl1i@4ax.com...
And, aside from some clay matrix holding a few amino acids long enough
for them to bud, nothing more was needed - just change and selection.
Just "some clay matrix + god breathing = LIFE. <-------- hoax
Yes, that certainly is a hoax, Andrew.
Don
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| User: "Virgil" |
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21 Feb 2005 06:25:43 PM |
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In article <37v7ktF5fnuu3U1@individual.net>,
"Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote in message
news:uslk115sg8raui1aldth7ie2e75o8khl1i@4ax.com...
And, aside from some clay matrix holding a few amino acids long enough
for them to bud, nothing more was needed - just change and selection.
Just "some clay matrix holding a few amino acids" + time = LIFE.
Andrew <-------- hoax
based on the evidence Andrew has presented here, the above is more
represeentative.
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21 Feb 2005 07:33:22 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:02:52 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" wrote in message news:uslk115sg8raui1aldth7ie2e75o8khl1i@4ax.com...
And, aside from some clay matrix holding a few amino acids long enough
for them to bud, nothing more was needed - just change and selection.
Just "some clay matrix holding a few amino acids" + time = LIFE. <-------- hoax
Proof?
You KNOW we won't take just your assertion, right?
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever.... This is a somewhat new kind of religion."
- Letter to Hans Muehsam March 30, 1954; Einstein Archive 38-434
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| User: "Andrew" |
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21 Feb 2005 07:52:21 PM |
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"Al Klein" wrote in message news:7u2l11teu173i0uiqd694dgpi0fp52figs@4ax.com...
"Andrew" aid in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" wrote:
And, aside from some clay matrix holding a few amino acids long enough
for them to bud, nothing more was needed - just change and selection.
Just "some clay matrix holding a few amino acids" + time = LIFE. <-------- hoax
Proof?
You KNOW we won't take just your assertion, right?
It's not my assertion Al...it's yours. Therefore, the burden of proof is on you.
"Just some clay matrix holding a few amino acids + time = LIFE."
~ Al Klein (& the masses deceived by the hoax)
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| User: "snex" |
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21 Feb 2005 07:55:15 PM |
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Andrew wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote in message
news:7u2l11teu173i0uiqd694dgpi0fp52figs@4ax.com...
"Andrew" aid in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" wrote:
And, aside from some clay matrix holding a few amino acids long
enough
for them to bud, nothing more was needed - just change and
selection.
Just "some clay matrix holding a few amino acids" + time = LIFE.
<-------- hoax
Proof?
You KNOW we won't take just your assertion, right?
It's not my assertion Al...it's yours. Therefore, the burden of proof
is on you.
"Just some clay matrix holding a few amino acids + time =
LIFE."
~ Al Klein (& the masses deceived
by the hoax)
wrong andrew. it IS your assertion that it is a hoax. while al does
need to supply evidence for his own claim, you are not exempt from
supplying evidence that it is a hoax.
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22 Feb 2005 03:05:14 AM |
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"snex" wrote in message news:1109037315.373725.73570@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Andrew wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote in message
news:7u2l11teu173i0uiqd694dgpi0fp52figs@4ax.com...
"Andrew" aid in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" wrote:
And, aside from some clay matrix holding a few amino acids long enough
for them to bud, nothing more was needed - just change and selection.
Just "some clay matrix holding a few amino acids" + time = LIFE. <-------- hoax
Proof?
You KNOW we won't take just your assertion, right?
It's not my assertion Al...it's yours. Therefore, the burden of proof is on you.
"Just some clay matrix holding a few amino acids + time = LIFE."
~ Al Klein (& the masses deceived by the hoax)
wrong andrew. it IS your assertion that it is a hoax. while al does
need to supply evidence for his own claim, you are not exempt from
supplying evidence that it is a hoax.
If Al would supply the evidence, I would retract my claim.
Andrew
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22 Feb 2005 11:11:20 AM |
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Andrew wrote:
"snex" wrote in message
news:1109037315.373725.73570@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Andrew wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote in message
news:7u2l11teu173i0uiqd694dgpi0fp52figs@4ax.com...
"Andrew" aid in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" wrote:
And, aside from some clay matrix holding a few amino acids
long enough
for them to bud, nothing more was needed - just change and
selection.
Just "some clay matrix holding a few amino acids" + time =
LIFE. <-------- hoax
Proof?
You KNOW we won't take just your assertion, right?
It's not my assertion Al...it's yours. Therefore, the burden of
proof is on you.
"Just some clay matrix holding a few amino acids + time =
LIFE."
~ Al Klein (& the masses
deceived by the hoax)
wrong andrew. it IS your assertion that it is a hoax. while al does
need to supply evidence for his own claim, you are not exempt from
supplying evidence that it is a hoax.
If Al would supply the evidence, I would retract my claim.
Andrew
this isnt quid pro quo. if you make a claim, you supply your evidence.
if your opponent makes a claim and withholds his evidence, then all the
worse for him. by withholding your own evidence contingent upon Al's,
you only hurt your own case.
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| User: "Virgil" |
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22 Feb 2005 01:22:54 PM |
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In article <380aubF5h6e6rU1@individual.net>,
"Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote:
"snex" wrote in message
news:1109037315.373725.73570@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Andrew wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote in message
news:7u2l11teu173i0uiqd694dgpi0fp52figs@4ax.com...
"Andrew" aid in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" wrote:
And, aside from some clay matrix holding a few amino acids long
enough
for them to bud, nothing more was needed - just change and
selection.
Just "some clay matrix holding a few amino acids" + time = LIFE.
<-------- hoax
Proof?
You KNOW we won't take just your assertion, right?
It's not my assertion Al...it's yours. Therefore, the burden of proof is
on you.
"Just some clay matrix holding a few amino acids + time = LIFE."
~ Al Klein (& the masses deceived by
the hoax)
wrong andrew. it IS your assertion that it is a hoax. while al does
need to supply evidence for his own claim, you are not exempt from
supplying evidence that it is a hoax.
If Al would supply the evidence, I would retract my claim.
Andrew's claim has the same burden of proof as any other, and cannot be
given serious consideration unless some supporting evidence is provided.
None has been yet.
Andrew
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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| Title: Re: Objective Evidence |
22 Feb 2005 01:31:43 PM |
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Virgil <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in
news:ITSnetNOTcom#virgil-13F05D.12225322022005@[63.218.45.211]:
In article <380aubF5h6e6rU1@individual.net>,
"Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote:
"snex" wrote in message
news:1109037315.373725.73570@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Andrew wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote in message
news:7u2l11teu173i0uiqd694dgpi0fp52figs@4ax.com...
"Andrew" aid in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" wrote:
And, aside from some clay matrix holding a few amino acids
long enough
for them to bud, nothing more was needed - just change and
selection.
Just "some clay matrix holding a few amino acids" + time =
LIFE. <-------- hoax
Proof?
You KNOW we won't take just your assertion, right?
It's not my assertion Al...it's yours. Therefore, the burden of
proof is on you.
"Just some clay matrix holding a few amino acids + time =
LIFE."
~ Al Klein (& the masses
deceived by
the hoax)
wrong andrew. it IS your assertion that it is a hoax. while al does
need to supply evidence for his own claim, you are not exempt from
supplying evidence that it is a hoax.
If Al would supply the evidence, I would retract my claim.
Andrew's claim has the same burden of proof as any other, and cannot
be given serious consideration unless some supporting evidence is
provided. None has been yet.
The only supporting evidence necessary is Al's refusal to support his claim
in any way. That, and Al's long standing habit of just making ***** up.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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| User: "snex" |
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| Title: Re: Objective Evidence |
22 Feb 2005 01:56:12 PM |
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No 33 Secretary wrote:
Virgil <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in
news:ITSnetNOTcom#virgil-13F05D.12225322022005@[63.218.45.211]:
In article <380aubF5h6e6rU1@individual.net>,
"Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote:
"snex" wrote in message
news:1109037315.373725.73570@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Andrew wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote in message
news:7u2l11teu173i0uiqd694dgpi0fp52figs@4ax.com...
"Andrew" aid in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" wrote:
And, aside from some clay matrix holding a few amino
acids
long enough
for them to bud, nothing more was needed - just change
and
selection.
Just "some clay matrix holding a few amino acids" + time =
LIFE. <-------- hoax
Proof?
You KNOW we won't take just your assertion, right?
It's not my assertion Al...it's yours. Therefore, the burden
of
proof is on you.
"Just some clay matrix holding a few amino acids + time
=
LIFE."
~ Al Klein (& the masses
deceived by
the hoax)
wrong andrew. it IS your assertion that it is a hoax. while al
does
need to supply evidence for his own claim, you are not exempt
from
supplying evidence that it is a hoax.
If Al would supply the evidence, I would retract my claim.
Andrew's claim has the same burden of proof as any other, and
cannot
be given serious consideration unless some supporting evidence is
provided. None has been yet.
The only supporting evidence necessary is Al's refusal to support his
claim
in any way. That, and Al's long standing habit of just making *****
up.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
Al's refusal to support any claim does not make that claim a hoax.
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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| Title: Re: Objective Evidence |
22 Feb 2005 03:14:29 PM |
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"snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote in
news:1109102172.250170.234670@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
No 33 Secretary wrote:
Virgil <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in
news:ITSnetNOTcom#virgil-13F05D.12225322022005@[63.218.45.211]:
In article <380aubF5h6e6rU1@individual.net>,
"Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote:
"snex" wrote in message
news:1109037315.373725.73570@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Andrew wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote in message
news:7u2l11teu173i0uiqd694dgpi0fp52figs@4ax.com...
"Andrew" aid in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" wrote:
And, aside from some clay matrix holding a few amino
acids
long enough
for them to bud, nothing more was needed - just change
and
selection.
Just "some clay matrix holding a few amino acids" + time =
LIFE. <-------- hoax
Proof?
You KNOW we won't take just your assertion, right?
It's not my assertion Al...it's yours. Therefore, the burden
of
proof is on you.
"Just some clay matrix holding a few amino acids + time
=
LIFE."
~ Al Klein (& the masses
deceived by
the hoax)
wrong andrew. it IS your assertion that it is a hoax. while al
does
need to supply evidence for his own claim, you are not exempt
from
supplying evidence that it is a hoax.
If Al would supply the evidence, I would retract my claim.
Andrew's claim has the same burden of proof as any other, and
cannot
be given serious consideration unless some supporting evidence is
provided. None has been yet.
The only supporting evidence necessary is Al's refusal to support his
claim
in any way. That, and Al's long standing habit of just making *****
up.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
Al's refusal to support any claim does not make that claim a hoax.
It is evidence supporting the claim, however.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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