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03 Feb 2005 08:41:57 AM |
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Re: Is Anyone Here an ADVENTIST?! |
In article <1107423912.431243.254020@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Orion7
says...
Don't you know evolution is a farce? You are obviously a product of the
brain washing which goes on in our Schools, Colleges and Universities.
I have seen the desperate lengths these Professors and Scientists go to
make people believe in evolution, even fabricating evidence to support
their unsupportable theories.
1st Rule of Creationism: Ignored evidence will go away
2nd Rule of Creationism: Interpret any challenge as personal insult
3rd Rule of Creationism: Claim evidence then quietly slip away
4th Rule of Creationism: Don't be confused by facts
5th Rule of Creationism: Insist that science ignores your proof
6th Rule of Creationism: Claim superiority for Christian education.
7th Rule of Creationism: Always appear to know more than you do.
8th Rule of Creationism: Shift the burden of proof to your critics.
9th Rule of Creationism: Lying for the Lord is okay.
10th Rule of Creationism: Never acknowledge your demonstrated errors
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MsAnthrope
http://web.newsguy.com/rubyred
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| User: "Andrew" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus Will Return--Just Like He Said He Would!! |
04 Feb 2005 11:44:44 AM |
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"Douglas Berry" wrote in message news:m1a70159kca123grpgtkcj7qlo3g1c67hr@4ax.com...
"Andrew" drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following:
What more could He do for you.......He died for you.
No, he didn't. At best Jesus had a really bad day, then spent two
days asleep. Dead is dead. Dying and coming back to life fully
healed is not a sacrifice.
I notice that you at least do acknowledge Jesus..and that He did die!
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| User: "snex" |
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04 Feb 2005 11:50:50 AM |
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Andrew wrote:
"Douglas Berry" wrote in message
news:m1a70159kca123grpgtkcj7qlo3g1c67hr@4ax.com...
"Andrew" drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag
and drunkenly
proclaimed the following:
What more could He do for you.......He died for you.
No, he didn't. At best Jesus had a really bad day, then spent two
days asleep. Dead is dead. Dying and coming back to life fully
healed is not a sacrifice.
I notice that you at least do acknowledge Jesus..and that He did die!
do you acknowledge buddha, and that he did die?
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| User: "Andrew" |
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04 Feb 2005 01:25:07 PM |
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"snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote in message news:1107539450.417554.273400@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Andrew wrote:
"Douglas Berry" wrote in message
news:m1a70159kca123grpgtkcj7qlo3g1c67hr@4ax.com...
"Andrew" drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag
and drunkenly
proclaimed the following:
What more could He do for you.......He died for you.
No, he didn't. At best Jesus had a really bad day, then spent two
days asleep. Dead is dead. Dying and coming back to life fully
healed is not a sacrifice.
I notice that you at least do acknowledge Jesus..and that He did die!
do you acknowledge buddha, and that he did die?
Yes, but some folks here don't acknowledge Jesus historically.
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| User: "snex" |
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04 Feb 2005 01:28:17 PM |
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Andrew wrote:
"snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1107539450.417554.273400@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Andrew wrote:
"Douglas Berry" wrote in message
news:m1a70159kca123grpgtkcj7qlo3g1c67hr@4ax.com...
"Andrew" drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism
beanbag
and drunkenly
proclaimed the following:
What more could He do for you.......He died for you.
No, he didn't. At best Jesus had a really bad day, then spent
two
days asleep. Dead is dead. Dying and coming back to life
fully
healed is not a sacrifice.
I notice that you at least do acknowledge Jesus..and that He did
die!
do you acknowledge buddha, and that he did die?
Yes, but some folks here don't acknowledge Jesus historically.
nobody has given them a reason to.
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| User: "jesshc" |
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04 Feb 2005 03:14:08 PM |
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Andrew wrote:
"snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1107539450.417554.273400@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
do you acknowledge buddha, and that he did die?
Yes, but some folks here don't acknowledge Jesus historically.
Some folks aren't gullible.
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| User: "jesshc" |
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04 Feb 2005 03:15:32 PM |
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Andrew wrote:
"snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1107539450.417554.273400@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
do you acknowledge buddha, and that he did die?
Yes, but some folks here don't acknowledge Jesus historically.
Some folks aren't gullible.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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07 Feb 2005 12:02:25 AM |
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:25:07 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
said in alt.atheism:
Yes, but some folks here don't acknowledge Jesus historically.
There's absolutely no objective evidence that the biblical Jesus ever
existed, and plenty of objective evidence that he didn't.
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"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is
a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the
crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due
to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious
indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility
corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of
nature and of our own being."
- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949, from article by
Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1997
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| User: "Andrew" |
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07 Feb 2005 03:08:56 AM |
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"Al Klein" wrote in message news:h21e01le9ggcoj0hu3o3nvdn15tah6prcl@4ax.com...
On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:25:07 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
said in alt.atheism:
Yes, but some folks here don't acknowledge Jesus historically.
There's absolutely no objective evidence that the biblical Jesus ever
existed, and plenty of objective evidence that he didn't.
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OK, prove it.
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| User: "BDK" |
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07 Feb 2005 03:42:11 AM |
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In article <36oph9F548ubpU1@individual.net>,
says...
"Al Klein" wrote in message news:h21e01le9ggcoj0hu3o3nvdn15tah6prcl@4ax.com...
On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:25:07 -0800, "Andrew" < >
said in alt.atheism:
Yes, but some folks here don't acknowledge Jesus historically.
There's absolutely no objective evidence that the biblical Jesus ever
existed, and plenty of objective evidence that he didn't.
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OK, prove it.
We don't have to! You're the ones making the claims about him being
"special". If he existed, or not, it really doesn't mean ***** to us, as
we don't think he was what YOU claim he is...
Prove that the(pick one) doesn't exist.
Easter Bunny
Tooth Fairy
Santa Claus
The Jolly Green Giant
The Boogeyman
Count Dracula
Ho Ho Ho..
BDK
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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07 Feb 2005 05:37:14 PM |
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On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:08:56 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" wrote in message news:h21e01le9ggcoj0hu3o3nvdn15tah6prcl@4ax.com...
On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:25:07 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
said in alt.atheism:
Yes, but some folks here don't acknowledge Jesus historically.
There's absolutely no objective evidence that the biblical Jesus ever
existed, and plenty of objective evidence that he didn't.
OK, prove it.
Prove what? That there's no objective evidence that he ever lived?
That's your job - to provide objective evidence that he DID live. But
if you want all the "evidence" that doesn't exist, all the "evidence"
that isn't evidence, etc., I'd have to put it on a web page and point
you there. There's just too much to post to usenet.
That there's evidence that Jesus - as defined in the bible - didn't
exist? Let's see:
He came from "Nazareth", right? At the time of his supposed birth,
the place where Nazareth now sits was a cemetery. Jesus was supposed
to be a Jew. Jews don't live near cemeteries - it's against their
religion.
Jesus the Nazarene? That's Mark. And, if he had read Judges 13:5,
and understood it, he would have known that 'Nazarite' didn't mean
'who comes from Nazareth'. "Nazareth" wasn't occupied until around
135 AD - LONG after the whole story. And it was occupied by ...
Evyonim-Nosrim, who named their village 'Nazareth' or the village of
'The Poor'. Nothing to do with any Jesus.
Oh, and all villages, towns, cities that date back at least a few
hundred years have ruins under them from the previous cities on whose
foundations they were built. Not just in the Jerusalem area. London,
Moscow. All old cities. Nazareth has none that date back 2,000
years.
Mary Magdalene? A woman who came from a place called Magdala on the
west of Lake Kinneret? "Magdalene" clearly resembles the Aramaic term
"mgadla nshaya," meaning "women's hairdresser." As mentioned before,
there was a belief that Yeshua's mother was "Miriam the women's
hairdresser." Because the Christians did not know what the name
"Magdalene" meant, they later conjectured that it meant that she had
come from a place called Magdala on the west of Lake Kinneret. The
idea of the two Marys fitted in well with the pagan way of thinking.
The image of Jesus being followed by the two Marys is strongly
reminiscent of Dionysus being followed by Demeter and Persephone.
http://mama.indstate.edu/users/nizrael/jesusrefutation.html
Some things to give us "faith" that the story is true:
"Josephus, the first century Jewish historian mentions no fewer than
nineteen different Yeshuas/Jesii, about half of them contemporaries of
the supposed Christ! In his Antiquities, of the twenty-eight high
priests who held office from the reign of Herod the Great to the fall
of the Temple, no fewer than four bore the name Jesus: Jesus ben
Phiabi, Jesus ben Sec, Jesus ben Damneus and Jesus ben Gamaliel. Even
Saint Paul makes reference to a rival magician, preaching ‘another
Jesus’ (2 Corinthians 11,4)."
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/surfeit.htm
"How it may be Lawful and Fitting to use Falsehood as a Medicine, and
for the Benefit of those who Want to be Deceived."
- Eusebius, 12th Book of Evangelical Preparation, Chapter 32
"We shall introduce into this history in general only those events
which may be useful first to ourselves and afterwards to posterity."
- Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, Vol. 8, chapter 2.
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to
be white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Ignatius Loyola
"What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake
of the good and for the Christian church ... a lie out of necessity, a
useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he
would accept them."
– Martin Luther, Cited by his secretary, in a letter in Max Lenz, ed.,
Briefwechsel Landgraf Phillips des Grossmüthigen von Hessen mit Bucer,
vol. I.
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"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."
- Isaac Asimov
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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07 Feb 2005 06:52:48 PM |
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On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 01:08:56 -0800, "Andrew, the current fool of
alt.atheism " <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote in message news:h21e01le9ggcoj0hu3o3nvdn15tah6prcl@4ax.com...
On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:25:07 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
said in alt.atheism:
Yes, but some folks here don't acknowledge Jesus historically.
There's absolutely no objective evidence that the biblical Jesus ever
existed, and plenty of objective evidence that he didn't.
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OK, prove it.
Fine by me. Care to city some sources that prove your jesus existed?
Excluding the bible, of course.
Do try it, jester.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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07 Feb 2005 07:51:53 PM |
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On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 07:52:48 +0700, Jos Flachs
<"wcruise"@ksc15.th.com> said in alt.atheism:
Fine by me. Care to city some sources that prove your jesus existed?
Excluding the bible, of course.
And excluding the known forgeries, like Josephus and Tacitus.
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Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise
as false, and by the rulers as useful."
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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05 Feb 2005 06:16:30 AM |
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:25:07 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
wrote:
"snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote in message news:1107539450.417554.273400@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Andrew wrote:
"Douglas Berry" wrote in message
news:m1a70159kca123grpgtkcj7qlo3g1c67hr@4ax.com...
"Andrew" drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag
and drunkenly
proclaimed the following:
What more could He do for you.......He died for you.
No, he didn't. At best Jesus had a really bad day, then spent two
days asleep. Dead is dead. Dying and coming back to life fully
healed is not a sacrifice.
I notice that you at least do acknowledge Jesus..and that He did die!
do you acknowledge buddha, and that he did die?
Yes, but some folks here don't acknowledge Jesus historically.
That is because the Buddha (Mr. G. Siddarta, to be exact.)
historically existed, while the Energizer Bunny and jesus did not.
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Jos Flachs in: Krungthep Mahanakhon Bovorn Rattanakorsin Mahinthara
Ayutthaya Mahadilokpop Noparat Ratchathani Burirom
Udom Ratchanivej Mahasathan Amornpiman Avatarnsathit
Sakkathattiya A-visnukarmpasit
also known as: Bangkok, Thailand
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| User: "jesshc" |
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04 Feb 2005 03:17:02 PM |
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Andrew wrote:
"Douglas Berry" wrote in message
news:m1a70159kca123grpgtkcj7qlo3g1c67hr@4ax.com...
"Andrew" drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag
and drunkenly
proclaimed the following:
What more could He do for you.......He died for you.
No, he didn't. At best Jesus had a really bad day, then spent two
days asleep. Dead is dead. Dying and coming back to life fully
healed is not a sacrifice.
I notice that you at least do acknowledge Jesus..and that He did die!
He's only pointing out the inconsistencies in your myth.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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04 Feb 2005 03:38:29 PM |
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:44:44 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
"Douglas Berry" wrote in message news:m1a70159kca123grpgtkcj7qlo3g1c67hr@4ax.com...
"Andrew" drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following:
What more could He do for you.......He died for you.
No, he didn't. At best Jesus had a really bad day, then spent two
days asleep. Dead is dead. Dying and coming back to life fully
healed is not a sacrifice.
I notice that you at least do acknowledge Jesus..and that He did die!
For the sake of arguement. I'm an atheist, and think that while there
may have been a historical itenerant preacher in Roman Judea named
Ieshuva ben-Joesph, what made it into the Gospels is a mismash of the
acts of others, older myths, and outright invention.
I noticed you snipped my examples of sacrifce.. did they actual losses
suffered make you feel inadequete? And why didn't you address my
final question? Here it is again:
Why do you not accept Allah? Or Mithra? Or the Norse gods? Don't
you want to spend eternity feasting and fighting in Valhalla, waiting
for Rangarok?
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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04 Feb 2005 12:13:41 PM |
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:44:44 -0800, Andrew <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Douglas Berry" wrote in message news:m1a70159kca123grpgtkcj7qlo3g1c67hr@4ax.com...
"Andrew" drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following:
What more could He do for you.......He died for you.
No, he didn't. At best Jesus had a really bad day, then spent two
days asleep. Dead is dead. Dying and coming back to life fully
healed is not a sacrifice.
I notice that you at least do acknowledge Jesus..and that He did die!
No he didn't, you brainwashed moron. Someday when you have a third grader's
command of the english language, you'll understand what the phrase "at best"
means.
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04 Feb 2005 05:21:05 PM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:10:00 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and
drunkenly
proclaimed the following
God is love. Why not accept His love and the eternal
future He has for you??
Why do you no accept Allah? Or Mithra? Or the Norse gods? Don't
you
want to spend eternity feasting and fighting in Valhalla, waiting for
Rangarok?
But you write as if you consider all these equally valid; and you live
your life by an idea-value system which has no virtue other than being
contemporary? By all means demonstrate the equal validity of the
above, and offer a rational reason to live by purely period values. If
you cannot -- and who could -- it seems to me that you need to ask
yourself some searching questions.
All the best,
Roger Pearse
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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04 Feb 2005 12:17:16 AM |
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On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:10:00 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
wrote:
What more could He do for you.......He died for you.
assertion
God is love.
wrong. Your god is hate.
Why not accept His love and the eternal
future He has for you??
assertion.
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03 Feb 2005 09:46:39 PM |
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Andrew <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote in message
news:36g7abF4um6onU1@individual.net...
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" wrote in message
news:dcpad2-34r1.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
No afterlife, no heaven, no hell, no new earth. Oblivion is all you
have.
Deal with it.
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Jesus was raised from the dead.
Yes, when early christians couldn't quite agree on a common dogma the
trifecta eventually won out; Jesus came once (was born), came twice (rose
from the dead), came thrice (will return at some point in the future).
Sorry to be the one to break the news that this was all just a political
move to you. I personally am in favor of adding a couple more comings, just
to be on the safe side.
Oh, and naughty-minded atheists, no antichristian double entendres, please.
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04 Feb 2005 04:08:52 PM |
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Rama came with a hundred milkmaids in one afternoon. Now *there's a God
for you.
[...]
What? <innocent look>
Kermit
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| User: "snex" |
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03 Feb 2005 09:12:35 PM |
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Andrew wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" wrote in message
news:dcpad2-34r1.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
No afterlife, no heaven, no hell, no new earth. Oblivion is all
you have.
Deal with it.
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Jesus was raised from the dead..His tomb is empty. Eternal life is
offered
to you through Him if you would accept Him as Savior. His sacrifice
may
atone for and cleanse from all sin.
"Everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have
everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day."
~ Jesus
what tomb? nobody has ever found this alleged tomb. why does an
all-powerful god need to have his only son murdered for our sins to go
away? why cant he just forgive them?
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03 Feb 2005 09:26:41 PM |
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"snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote in news:1107486755.055960.281870
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
what tomb? nobody has ever found this alleged tomb. why does an
all-powerful god need to have his only son murdered for our sins to go
away? why cant he just forgive them?
He's not quite that powerful or merciful, I guess.
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Enkidu AA# 2165
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Attributed to Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
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03 Feb 2005 09:37:25 PM |
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"snex" wrote in message news:1107486755.055960.281870@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
what tomb? nobody has ever found this alleged tomb.
"When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph,
who also himself was Jesus' disciple: He went to Pilate, and begged the body of
Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered. And when Joseph had
taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, And laid it in his own new
TOMB, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the
door of the sepulchre, and departed." Matthew 27:57-60
why does an all-powerful god need to have his only son murdered for our sins to
go away? why cant he just forgive them?
It has to do with the authority of His Law which cannot be changed; and it has to do
with the infinite love that He has for you that He would provide a way that you....yes
you, may live forever with Him in a world without sickness, suffering or death.
Andrew
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| User: "snex" |
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03 Feb 2005 09:40:03 PM |
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Andrew wrote:
"snex" wrote in message
news:1107486755.055960.281870@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
what tomb? nobody has ever found this alleged tomb.
"When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named
Joseph,
who also himself was Jesus' disciple: He went to Pilate, and begged
the body of
Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered. And when
Joseph had
taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, And laid it
in his own new
TOMB, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great
stone to the
door of the sepulchre, and departed." Matthew 27:57-60
this proves nothing. it is your bible that says the tomb was empty to
begin with. then when i ask where this tomb is, you point back to the
bible! tombs are real objects that can be examined just like any other
object. show me the tomb.
why does an all-powerful god need to have his only son murdered for
our sins to
go away? why cant he just forgive them?
It has to do with the authority of His Law which cannot be changed;
and it has to do
with the infinite love that He has for you that He would provide a
way that you....yes
you, may live forever with Him in a world without sickness, suffering
or death.
Andrew
why cant it be changed? he can do whatever he wants. and what law says
that murder is necessary to forgive sin?
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| Title: Re: Jesus Will Return--Just Like He Said He Would!! |
03 Feb 2005 09:55:29 PM |
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"snex" wrote in message news:1107488403.385218.65090@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Andrew wrote:
"snex" wrote:
what tomb? nobody has ever found this alleged tomb.
"When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph,
who also himself was Jesus' disciple: He went to Pilate, and begged the body of
Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered. And when Joseph had
taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, And laid it in his own new
TOMB, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the
door of the sepulchre, and departed." Matthew 27:57-60
this proves nothing. it is your bible that says the tomb was empty to
begin with. then when i ask where this tomb is, you point back to the
bible! tombs are real objects that can be examined just like any other
object. show me the tomb.
Here it is!------->> http://www.dallas.net/~dchancey/tomb.html
Andrew
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| User: "snex" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus Will Return--Just Like He Said He Would!! |
03 Feb 2005 09:58:44 PM |
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Andrew wrote:
"snex" wrote in message
news:1107488403.385218.65090@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Andrew wrote:
"snex" wrote:
what tomb? nobody has ever found this alleged tomb.
"When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea,
named Joseph,
who also himself was Jesus' disciple: He went to Pilate, and
begged the body of
Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered. And when
Joseph had
taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, And laid
it in his own new
TOMB, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great
stone to the
door of the sepulchre, and departed." Matthew
27:57-60
this proves nothing. it is your bible that says the tomb was empty
to
begin with. then when i ask where this tomb is, you point back to
the
bible! tombs are real objects that can be examined just like any
other
object. show me the tomb.
Here it is!------->> http://www.dallas.net/~dchancey/tomb.html
Andrew
do you have any idea how many tombs are on earth, let alone in the
jerusalem area? what makes you think this one is the correct one? maybe
its that sign on the door (which is in english for some reason)?
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus Will Return--Just Like He Said He Would!! |
04 Feb 2005 10:49:47 AM |
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On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:55:29 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Here it is!------->> http://www.dallas.net/~dchancey/tomb.html
LOL! That's one of the three main contenders for "Jesus' tomb" you'll
find in Jerusalem. Palestinian sharpies will happily take your money
to lead you to any old hole in the wall that was once a tomb (there
are thousands of empty tombs in the area.. Jerusalem has been a city
for close to 4,000 years) and tell you it was the final resting place
of Jesus, please pay in American dollars.
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Andrew" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus Will Return--Just Like He Said He Would!! |
04 Feb 2005 11:35:23 AM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message news:aq9701lmcpf8m4l3bg2hfjnf8hlub86od5@4ax.com...
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:55:29 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Here it is!------->> http://www.dallas.net/~dchancey/tomb.html
LOL! That's one of the three main contenders for "Jesus' tomb" you'll
find in Jerusalem. Palestinian sharpies will happily take your money
to lead you to any old hole in the wall that was once a tomb (there
are thousands of empty tombs in the area.. Jerusalem has been a city
for close to 4,000 years) and tell you it was the final resting place
of Jesus, please pay in American dollars.
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But everyone of them is empty - there is no body!
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| User: "snex" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus Will Return--Just Like He Said He Would!! |
04 Feb 2005 11:40:07 AM |
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Andrew wrote:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:aq9701lmcpf8m4l3bg2hfjnf8hlub86od5@4ax.com...
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:55:29 -0800, "Andrew"
<andrew.321remov@usa.net>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and
drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Here it is!------->> http://www.dallas.net/~dchancey/tomb.html
LOL! That's one of the three main contenders for "Jesus' tomb"
you'll
find in Jerusalem. Palestinian sharpies will happily take your
money
to lead you to any old hole in the wall that was once a tomb (there
are thousands of empty tombs in the area.. Jerusalem has been a
city
for close to 4,000 years) and tell you it was the final resting
place
of Jesus, please pay in American dollars.
--
But everyone of them is empty - there is no body!
that only hurts your case, not helps it. if there are at least 3 empty
tombs, then we know that finding an empty tomb is not evidence for
jesus, because there are at least 2 empty tombs that did not belong to
him.
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus Will Return--Just Like He Said He Would!! |
04 Feb 2005 01:22:44 PM |
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Andrew wrote:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message news:aq9701lmcpf8m4l3bg2hfjnf8hlub86od5@4ax.com...
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:55:29 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Here it is!------->> http://www.dallas.net/~dchancey/tomb.html
LOL! That's one of the three main contenders for "Jesus' tomb" you'll
find in Jerusalem. Palestinian sharpies will happily take your money
to lead you to any old hole in the wall that was once a tomb (there
are thousands of empty tombs in the area.. Jerusalem has been a city
for close to 4,000 years) and tell you it was the final resting place
of Jesus, please pay in American dollars.
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But everyone of them is empty - there is no body!
Which of course, proves nothing.
Or are you now claiming that there were three different saviors? Or
maybe, the three days in the tomb, (which it wasn't, more like 36
hours), was actually, one day in each?
My my, but he does get around. Gives a whole new meaning to the term,
"sleeping around".
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There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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