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"MsAnthrope" |
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03 Feb 2005 08:41:57 AM |
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Re: Is Anyone Here an ADVENTIST?! |
In article <1107423912.431243.254020@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Orion7
says...
Don't you know evolution is a farce? You are obviously a product of the
brain washing which goes on in our Schools, Colleges and Universities.
I have seen the desperate lengths these Professors and Scientists go to
make people believe in evolution, even fabricating evidence to support
their unsupportable theories.
1st Rule of Creationism: Ignored evidence will go away
2nd Rule of Creationism: Interpret any challenge as personal insult
3rd Rule of Creationism: Claim evidence then quietly slip away
4th Rule of Creationism: Don't be confused by facts
5th Rule of Creationism: Insist that science ignores your proof
6th Rule of Creationism: Claim superiority for Christian education.
7th Rule of Creationism: Always appear to know more than you do.
8th Rule of Creationism: Shift the burden of proof to your critics.
9th Rule of Creationism: Lying for the Lord is okay.
10th Rule of Creationism: Never acknowledge your demonstrated errors
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MsAnthrope
http://web.newsguy.com/rubyred
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus Will Return--Just Like He Said He Would!! |
08 Feb 2005 11:44:41 AM |
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On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 02:09:25 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> drained his beer, leaned back in the
alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following
This is the year 3,000something for the jews. And 5,000something
for the Chinese (or the reverse). 3,000something and 5,000something
SINCE WHAT EVENT?
5765 in the Jewish calender
1425 in the Islamic calendar
4702 in the Chinese calender (until tommorrow, when the Year of the
Rooster begins.. Gung Hay Fat Choi!)
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus Will Return--Just Like He Said He Would!! |
08 Feb 2005 12:10:00 PM |
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On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:44:41 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 02:09:25 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> drained his beer, leaned back in the
alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following
This is the year 3,000something for the jews. And 5,000something
for the Chinese (or the reverse). 3,000something and 5,000something
SINCE WHAT EVENT?
5765 in the Jewish calender
1425 in the Islamic calendar
4702 in the Chinese calender (until tommorrow, when the Year of the
Rooster begins.. Gung Hay Fat Choi!)
Paxo - the rooster booster.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus Will Return--Just Like He Said He Would!! |
04 Feb 2005 06:06:36 PM |
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:31:26 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" wrote in message news:7iocd2-rn62.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
Andrew wrote:
Jesus was raised from the dead..His tomb is empty. Eternal life is offered
to you through Him if you would accept Him as Savior. His sacrifice may
atone for and cleanse from all sin.
1. Which tomb? There are several in question.
2. Prove he actually existed first, then we can discuss what he may
have done, or did not do, while alive.
This is the year 2005......... 2005 since what event?
The first Quidditch match.
Roman Empire beat the Emprire of the Parthians 216-4
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| User: "Steve Mading" |
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04 Feb 2005 03:58:18 PM |
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:31:26 -0800, Andrew <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" wrote in message news:7iocd2-rn62.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
Andrew wrote:
Jesus was raised from the dead..His tomb is empty. Eternal life is offered
to you through Him if you would accept Him as Savior. His sacrifice may
atone for and cleanse from all sin.
1. Which tomb? There are several in question.
2. Prove he actually existed first, then we can discuss what he may
have done, or did not do, while alive.
This is the year 2005......... 2005 since what event?
2005 years since an arbitrary point in time that was
33 years before the invention of the story.
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus Will Return--Just Like He Said He Would!! |
03 Feb 2005 09:53:27 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:09:00 -0800, "Andrew"
<andrew.321remov@usa.net> let us all know that:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" wrote in message news:dcpad2-34r1.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
No afterlife, no heaven, no hell, no new earth. Oblivion is all you have.
Deal with it.
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Jesus was raised from the dead.
No.
Eternal life is a myth told to assuage the fears of those
terrified of death.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "MsAnthrope" |
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04 Feb 2005 06:29:42 PM |
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On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 03:53:27 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
Eternal life is a myth told to assuage the fears of those
terrified of death.
It's very fuzzy on the details about what we will do for all those
eons too.
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MsAnthrope
http://web.newsguy.com/rubyred
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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04 Feb 2005 10:46:20 AM |
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On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:09:00 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" wrote in message news:dcpad2-34r1.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
No afterlife, no heaven, no hell, no new earth. Oblivion is all you have.
Deal with it.
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Jesus was raised from the dead..His tomb is empty. Eternal life is offered
to you through Him if you would accept Him as Savior. His sacrifice may
atone for and cleanse from all sin.
Right. And nobody has ever stolen a body before.
Hell, reading the description of the cricifixion makes me think the
entire thing was a hoax! Crucifixion takes days to kill, yet Jesus
dies in a short time. Then he is let down because of the Sabbath, and
his legs were not broken, as was the law.
The fix was in, and Jesus and Mary took off for Gaul.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Andrew" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus Will Return--Just Like He Said He Would!! |
04 Feb 2005 11:50:40 AM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message news:mk9701hn4gq95ee1fsi53bjtuqbl5s4bfb@4ax.com...
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:09:00 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Jesus was raised from the dead..His tomb is empty. Eternal life is offered
to you through Him if you would accept Him as Savior. His sacrifice may
atone for and cleanse from all sin.
Right. And nobody has ever stolen a body before.
Hell, reading the description of the cricifixion makes me think the
entire thing was a hoax! Crucifixion takes days to kill, yet Jesus
dies in a short time. Then he is let down because of the Sabbath, and
his legs were not broken, as was the law.
Why didn't the soldiers break His legs??
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| User: "snex" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus Will Return--Just Like He Said He Would!! |
04 Feb 2005 11:54:48 AM |
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Andrew wrote:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:mk9701hn4gq95ee1fsi53bjtuqbl5s4bfb@4ax.com...
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:09:00 -0800, "Andrew"
<andrew.321remov@usa.net>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and
drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Jesus was raised from the dead..His tomb is empty. Eternal life is
offered
to you through Him if you would accept Him as Savior. His
sacrifice may
atone for and cleanse from all sin.
Right. And nobody has ever stolen a body before.
Hell, reading the description of the cricifixion makes me think the
entire thing was a hoax! Crucifixion takes days to kill, yet Jesus
dies in a short time. Then he is let down because of the Sabbath,
and
his legs were not broken, as was the law.
Why didn't the soldiers break His legs??
you cant break the legs of somebody that never existed.
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| User: "Andrew" |
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04 Feb 2005 01:32:30 PM |
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"snex" wrote in message news:1107539688.000988.288350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Andrew wrote:
"Douglas Berry"wrote in message
news:mk9701hn4gq95ee1fsi53bjtuqbl5s4bfb@4ax.com...
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:09:00 -0800, "Andrew"
<andrew.321remov@usa.net>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Jesus was raised from the dead..His tomb is empty. Eternal life is offered
to you through Him if you would accept Him as Savior. His sacrifice may
atone for and cleanse from all sin.
Right. And nobody has ever stolen a body before.
Hell, reading the description of the cricifixion makes me think the
entire thing was a hoax! Crucifixion takes days to kill, yet Jesus
dies in a short time. Then he is let down because of the Sabbath, and
his legs were not broken, as was the law.
Why didn't the soldiers break His legs??
you cant break the legs of somebody that never existed.
To say that He never existed is to demonstrate an incredible denial of reality,
in light of the fact that almost all of human history is dated in relationship to
His coming to this world!
Andrew
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| User: "snex" |
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04 Feb 2005 01:38:25 PM |
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Andrew wrote:
"snex" wrote in message
news:1107539688.000988.288350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Andrew wrote:
"Douglas Berry"wrote in message
news:mk9701hn4gq95ee1fsi53bjtuqbl5s4bfb@4ax.com...
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:09:00 -0800, "Andrew"
<andrew.321remov@usa.net>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and
drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Jesus was raised from the dead..His tomb is empty. Eternal
life is offered
to you through Him if you would accept Him as Savior. His
sacrifice may
atone for and cleanse from all sin.
Right. And nobody has ever stolen a body before.
Hell, reading the description of the cricifixion makes me think
the
entire thing was a hoax! Crucifixion takes days to kill, yet
Jesus
dies in a short time. Then he is let down because of the
Sabbath, and
his legs were not broken, as was the law.
Why didn't the soldiers break His legs??
you cant break the legs of somebody that never existed.
To say that He never existed is to demonstrate an incredible denial
of reality,
in light of the fact that almost all of human history is dated in
relationship to
His coming to this world!
Andrew
the days of the week are named for norse deities. do they therefore
exist?
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| User: "jesshc" |
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04 Feb 2005 03:06:10 PM |
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Andrew wrote:
To say that He never existed is to demonstrate an incredible denial
of reality, in light of the fact that almost all of human history is
dated in relationship to His coming to this world!
Really? How does that fit in with Chinese New Year?
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus Will Return--Just Like He Said He Would!! |
07 Feb 2005 08:08:39 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:32:30 -0800, "Andrew"
<andrew.321remov@usa.net> let us all know that:
"snex" wrote in message news:1107539688.000988.288350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Andrew wrote:
"Douglas Berry"wrote in message
news:mk9701hn4gq95ee1fsi53bjtuqbl5s4bfb@4ax.com...
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:09:00 -0800, "Andrew"
<andrew.321remov@usa.net>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Jesus was raised from the dead..His tomb is empty. Eternal life is offered
to you through Him if you would accept Him as Savior. His sacrifice may
atone for and cleanse from all sin.
Right. And nobody has ever stolen a body before.
Hell, reading the description of the cricifixion makes me think the
entire thing was a hoax! Crucifixion takes days to kill, yet Jesus
dies in a short time. Then he is let down because of the Sabbath, and
his legs were not broken, as was the law.
Why didn't the soldiers break His legs??
you cant break the legs of somebody that never existed.
To say that He never existed is to demonstrate an incredible denial of reality,
in light of the fact that almost all of human history is dated in relationship to
His coming to this world!
No, it's not.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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04 Feb 2005 04:00:51 PM |
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:32:30 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
To say that He never existed is to demonstrate an incredible denial of reality,
in light of the fact that almost all of human history is dated in relationship to
His coming to this world!
The Romans dated from the founding of the city by Romulus, who was
raised along with his brother Remus by a she-wolf.
Does the fact of the Roman calendar make this myth true?
The current calendar was created in the 8th Century by Dionysus
Exiguus. He flat out made up most of the dates, such as the birth and
death of Jesus. About a third of the world uses the Moslem calender,
which is actually older than ours. Today is the 24th day of Dhu
I-Hijja, 1425.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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07 Feb 2005 12:04:08 AM |
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:32:30 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
said in alt.atheism:
To say that He never existed is to demonstrate an incredible denial of reality,
in light of the fact that almost all of human history is dated in relationship to
His coming to this world!
Which is not objective evidence that he existed. Before Jesus,
calendars were based on the birthdates other mythical characters.
--
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid
consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who
works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
- Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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05 Feb 2005 06:16:26 AM |
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:32:30 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
wrote:
Hell, reading the description of the cricifixion makes me think the
entire thing was a hoax! Crucifixion takes days to kill, yet Jesus
dies in a short time. Then he is let down because of the Sabbath, and
his legs were not broken, as was the law.
Why didn't the soldiers break His legs??
you cant break the legs of somebody that never existed.
To say that He never existed is to demonstrate an incredible denial of reality,
in light of the fact that almost all of human history is dated in relationship to
His coming to this world!
Once you have finished kindergarten, you will learn differently.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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04 Feb 2005 03:52:07 PM |
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:50:40 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message news:mk9701hn4gq95ee1fsi53bjtuqbl5s4bfb@4ax.com...
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:09:00 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Jesus was raised from the dead..His tomb is empty. Eternal life is offered
to you through Him if you would accept Him as Savior. His sacrifice may
atone for and cleanse from all sin.
Right. And nobody has ever stolen a body before.
Hell, reading the description of the cricifixion makes me think the
entire thing was a hoax! Crucifixion takes days to kill, yet Jesus
dies in a short time. Then he is let down because of the Sabbath, and
his legs were not broken, as was the law.
Why didn't the soldiers break His legs??
Assuming for the moment that this actually happened, the crucifixion
and all that, I have a simple reason: bribery, and a Roman distaste
for Israeli mobs.
Try reading the Gospels critically, and learn a little history.
Pilate wanted nothing to do with this street preacher, and Jesus
hadn't broken a single Roman law. Even to the end, Pilate tried to
get Jesus off by giving the crowd a choice of freeing Jesus or a
notorious criminal.
So, what does Pilate do? He quietly arraigned for Jesus to be fed one
of the many soporifics known to the Romans, beats him for effect, and
puts him up on the cross. Jesus passes out, is immediately cut down
and thrown in a tomb. The Romans broke the legs of bodies taken down
for the simple reason that they couldn't always tell who was dead.
Breaking the legs insured that even if some life remained, the
condemned man wasn't going anywhere.
So, Jesus sleeps off the drug in the tomb, possibly being removed
while still apparently dead, and he and Mary Magdalene hightail it out
of Judea. Gnostic tradition in the Near East and North Africa have
Jesus and Mary as a married couple, even having a daughter.
If you want to get further into conspiracy myth, Jesus, Mary and the
kid eventually make it to Gaul, where they settle down and eventually
come to power as the Merogovain royal line.
But since it's all a myth, we can say whatever we want.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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05 Feb 2005 06:16:25 AM |
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:50:40 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
wrote:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message news:mk9701hn4gq95ee1fsi53bjtuqbl5s4bfb@4ax.com...
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:09:00 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Jesus was raised from the dead..His tomb is empty. Eternal life is offered
to you through Him if you would accept Him as Savior. His sacrifice may
atone for and cleanse from all sin.
Right. And nobody has ever stolen a body before.
Hell, reading the description of the cricifixion makes me think the
entire thing was a hoax! Crucifixion takes days to kill, yet Jesus
dies in a short time. Then he is let down because of the Sabbath, and
his legs were not broken, as was the law.
Why didn't the soldiers break His legs??
It's your fairytale. You come up with a happy ending.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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04 Feb 2005 12:18:02 AM |
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On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:09:00 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
said in alt.atheism:
Jesus was raised from the dead.
Difficult for "someone" who never existed.
His tomb is empty.
Have you actually seen it? Has anyone alive today actually seen it?
Next myth?
Eternal life
.... is a myth. Just ask anyone who's actually been dead.
--
"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so
long as I'm the dictator."
- G W Bush (Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus Will Return--Just Like He Said He Would!! |
04 Feb 2005 12:13:38 AM |
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On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:09:00 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
wrote:
Jesus was raised from the dead..
assertion.
His tomb is empty.
So? My tomb is empty too.
Eternal life is offered
to you through Him if you would accept Him as Savior.
assertion
His sacrifice may
atone for and cleanse from all sin.
What sacrifice? I just got back from the dentist! THAT was a
sacrifice!
Can you bable bleaters do nothing but vomit ancient empty slogans?
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| User: "The Six Million Dollar Clayton" |
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04 Feb 2005 06:15:10 PM |
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"Jos Flachs" <"wcruise"@ksc15.th.com> wrote in message
news:1h4601pj6etcq60kup0if7lv4uvrnvj37b@4ax.com...
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:09:00 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
wrote:
Jesus was raised from the dead..
assertion.
His tomb is empty.
So? My tomb is empty too.
Eternal life is offered
to you through Him if you would accept Him as Savior.
assertion
His sacrifice may
atone for and cleanse from all sin.
What sacrifice? I just got back from the dentist! THAT was a
sacrifice!
Can you bable bleaters do nothing but vomit ancient empty slogans?
The truly sad thing is, he actually thinks he's winning the debate in this
thread. Everything he's saying has been blown to peices, but he's smug and
smiling thinking, "I'm defeating these atheists left, right and center!!!
I'm using the undeniable Christian truth to crush their heathen satanic
lies!!!" That's why there is no point to going to trouble of trying to talk
to christbots...nothing at all will ever get through to them!
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| User: "snex" |
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04 Feb 2005 06:27:15 PM |
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The Six Million Dollar Clayton wrote:
"Jos Flachs" <"wcruise"@ksc15.th.com> wrote in message
news:1h4601pj6etcq60kup0if7lv4uvrnvj37b@4ax.com...
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:09:00 -0800, "Andrew"
<andrew.321remov@usa.net>
wrote:
Jesus was raised from the dead..
assertion.
His tomb is empty.
So? My tomb is empty too.
Eternal life is offered
to you through Him if you would accept Him as Savior.
assertion
His sacrifice may
atone for and cleanse from all sin.
What sacrifice? I just got back from the dentist! THAT was a
sacrifice!
Can you bable bleaters do nothing but vomit ancient empty slogans?
The truly sad thing is, he actually thinks he's winning the debate in
this
thread. Everything he's saying has been blown to peices, but he's
smug and
smiling thinking, "I'm defeating these atheists left, right and
center!!!
I'm using the undeniable Christian truth to crush their heathen
satanic
lies!!!" That's why there is no point to going to trouble of trying
to talk
to christbots...nothing at all will ever get through to them!
thats a tough position to maintain considering most of the deadends in
this thread are owned by yours truly ;D
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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04 Feb 2005 07:56:26 AM |
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Jos Flachs <"wcruise"@ksc15.th.com> wrote in
news:1h4601pj6etcq60kup0if7lv4uvrnvj37b@4ax.com:
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:09:00 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
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Jesus was raised from the dead..
assertion.
His tomb is empty.
So? My tomb is empty too.
Batman's tomb is empty!
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Enkidu AA# 2165
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Attributed to Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus Will Return--Just Like He Said He Would!! |
05 Feb 2005 06:16:24 AM |
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On 4 Feb 2005 13:56:26 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote:
Jos Flachs <"wcruise"@ksc15.th.com> wrote in
news:1h4601pj6etcq60kup0if7lv4uvrnvj37b@4ax.com:
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:09:00 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
wrote:
Jesus was raised from the dead..
assertion.
His tomb is empty.
So? My tomb is empty too.
Batman's tomb is empty!
He's snugging up with Robin!
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus Will Return--Just Like He Said He Would!! |
04 Feb 2005 10:27:54 PM |
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In article <36fpo8F50h0dkU1@individual.net>, Andrew
<andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote:
Since everything around us is going to melt away, what holy, godly
lives you should be living! You should look forward to that day and
hurry it along
This part is what scares me the most. "Hurry it along." That's exactly
the mindset of the Tim LeHaye crowd, including our apocolyptic
president and his butt buddies over at the Pentagon.
-chib
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Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "MsAnthrope" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus Will Return--Just Like He Said He Would!! |
05 Feb 2005 09:32:00 AM |
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On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 20:27:54 -0800, chibiabos <chib@nospam.com> wrote:
This part is what scares me the most. "Hurry it along." That's exactly
the mindset of the Tim LeHaye crowd, including our apocolyptic
president and his butt buddies over at the Pentagon.
The only people who think it's apoclyptic are the mullahs in Iran
watching people vote in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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MsAnthrope
http://web.newsguy.com/rubyred
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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03 Feb 2005 10:02:52 PM |
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In article <36fpo8F50h0dkU1@individual.net>, Andrew said...
"In the last days there will be scoffers who will laugh
at the truth and do every evil thing they desire. This
will be their argument: "Jesus promised to come back, did he?
Then where is he? Why, as far back as anyone can remember,
everything has remained exactly the same since the world
was first created."
You think this supports you?
Look at this way: Christians have clung to such words, certain
that the Second Coming was nigh, for 2000 years. Guess what? The
end wasn't near. Jesus did not come back within the lifetime of
his apostles. He did not come back in 100 years, or 1000 or
2000. The failure of Jesus to return isn't the point, however.
The point is that throughout all these long years, the
"scoffers" have been present.
What does this mean for your quote above? It means the existence
of scoffers is in no way diagnostic of the end times. It's as if
someone had predicted, "In the last days there will be
conifers." You want to point at a redwood say, "See? We're on
countdown to the Apocalypse !"
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "Lester Solnin" |
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03 Feb 2005 07:38:36 PM |
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Jesus coming back? Hell, I'm still waiting for Houdini! By the way, has
anyone spotted Amelia Earhardt???
--
Les
"Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote in message
news:36fpo8F50h0dkU1@individual.net...
"Robibnikoff" wrote in message news:36fmtoF50lkokU1@individual.net...
"Orion7" wrote:
hes been "coming soon" for 2000 years now
You Don't know a Day with God is as a Thousand Years.... it only been
2 Days.
Oh, the old "god days" baloney. Can you prove this?
Yeah, any day now, right?
It could be sooner then that!!!
Prove it.
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"In the last days there will be scoffers who will laugh at the truth and
do every evil thing
they desire. This will be their argument: "Jesus promised to come back,
did he? Then
where is he? Why, as far back as anyone can remember, everything has
remained
exactly the same since the world was first created."
They deliberately forget that God made the heavens by the word of his
command, and he
brought the earth up from the water and surrounded it with water. Then he
used the water
to destroy the world with a mighty flood. And God has also commanded that
the heavens
and the earth will be consumed by fire on the day of judgment, when
ungodly people will
perish.
But you must not forget, dear friends, that a day is like a thousand years
to the Lord, and
a thousand years is like a day. The Lord isn't really being slow about his
promise to return,
as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. He does not
want anyone to
perish, so he is giving more time for everyone to repent. But the day of
the Lord will come
as unexpectedly as a thief. Then the heavens will pass away with a
terrible noise, and every-
thing in them will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it
will be exposed to
judgment.
Since everything around us is going to melt away, what holy, godly lives
you should be
living! You should look forward to that day and hurry it along--the day
when God will
set the heavens on fire and the elements will melt away in the flames.
But we are looking forward to the new heavens and new earth he has
promised, a world
where everyone is right with God. And so, dear friends, while you are
waiting for these
things to happen, make every effort to live a pure and blameless life."
--------------------------------------- 2 Peter 3:3-14
T ------------------------------------------------
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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04 Feb 2005 12:16:31 AM |
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On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:17:30 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
said in alt.atheism:
"In the last days there will be scoffers who will laugh at the truth and do every evil thing
they desire. This will be their argument: "Jesus promised to come back, did he? Then
where is he? Why, as far back as anyone can remember, everything has remained
exactly the same since the world was first created."
They deliberately forget that God made
You post this to alt.atheism with a straight face?
Don't you know that we don't accept your bible as anything more than
the ravings of a bunch of goat herders? Quoting from your bible only
convinces us that you're an idiot, not that what you say has any
meaning.
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"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their
numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion,
only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
-A. Einstein (Letter to Edgar Meyer, Jan. 2, 1915)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "John Baker" |
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03 Feb 2005 05:48:14 PM |
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On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:17:30 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
wrote:
"Robibnikoff" wrote in message news:36fmtoF50lkokU1@individual.net...
"Orion7" wrote:
hes been "coming soon" for 2000 years now
You Don't know a Day with God is as a Thousand Years.... it only been 2 Days.
Oh, the old "god days" baloney. Can you prove this?
Yeah, any day now, right?
It could be sooner then that!!!
Prove it.
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"In the last days there will be scoffers who will laugh at the truth and do every evil thing
they desire. This will be their argument: "Jesus promised to come back, did he? Then
where is he? Why, as far back as anyone can remember, everything has remained
exactly the same since the world was first created."
The "last days" have been going on for a long, long time, then. There
have been atheists ever since the first god was invented. Which,
incidentally, happened long before your particular invisible friend
was ever conceived.
And no atheist, indeed no educated person, would ever refer to the
world as having been created or existing unchanged since its initial
formation. Only an ignorant creationist would.
They deliberately forget that God made the heavens by the word of his command, and he
brought the earth up from the water and surrounded it with water.
You deliberately forget that your silly creation myth is of no
relevance outside the context of your religion.
Then he used the water
to destroy the world with a mighty flood.
Which, oddly enough, left no evidence whatsoever behind....
And God has also commanded that the heavens
and the earth will be consumed by fire on the day of judgment, when ungodly people will
perish.
<yawn>
But you must not forget, dear friends, that a day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and
a thousand years is like a day. The Lord isn't really being slow about his promise to return,
as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to
perish, so he is giving more time for everyone to repent. But the day of the Lord will come
as unexpectedly as a thief. Then the heavens will pass away with a terrible noise, and every-
thing in them will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it will be exposed to
judgment.
You can provide objective evidence to support these claims, I presume?
What's that? You can't? Why am I not surprised?
Since everything around us is going to melt away, what holy, godly lives you should be
living! You should look forward to that day and hurry it along--the day when God will
set the heavens on fire and the elements will melt away in the flames.
Does living a "holy, godly life" include being a smug, stupid,
self-righteous *****?
But we are looking forward to the new heavens and new earth he has promised, a world
where everyone is right with God. And so, dear friends, while you are waiting for these
things to happen, make every effort to live a pure and blameless life."
And you can begin by taking your Jesus's advice. Shake the dust off
your sandals and take your happy ***** on down the road.
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