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03 Feb 2005 08:41:57 AM |
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Re: Is Anyone Here an ADVENTIST?! |
In article <1107423912.431243.254020@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Orion7
says...
Don't you know evolution is a farce? You are obviously a product of the
brain washing which goes on in our Schools, Colleges and Universities.
I have seen the desperate lengths these Professors and Scientists go to
make people believe in evolution, even fabricating evidence to support
their unsupportable theories.
1st Rule of Creationism: Ignored evidence will go away
2nd Rule of Creationism: Interpret any challenge as personal insult
3rd Rule of Creationism: Claim evidence then quietly slip away
4th Rule of Creationism: Don't be confused by facts
5th Rule of Creationism: Insist that science ignores your proof
6th Rule of Creationism: Claim superiority for Christian education.
7th Rule of Creationism: Always appear to know more than you do.
8th Rule of Creationism: Shift the burden of proof to your critics.
9th Rule of Creationism: Lying for the Lord is okay.
10th Rule of Creationism: Never acknowledge your demonstrated errors
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MsAnthrope
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07 Feb 2005 01:15:58 AM |
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TV's Andrew wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote in message
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"Andrew" said in alt.atheism:
noun: One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God
For anyone to actually know that God does not exist
Bait and switch noted. "Disbelieve" doesn't mean "believe the
opposite".
What is your position? Do you ~KNOW~ that God
does not exist? Or do you just "disbelieve" in Him??
Nobody "knows" that gods don't exist.
I'm not speaking for Al, but personally I simply do not accept the claims by
theists that their god exists, whether that god is Allah, "God," Yahweh,
Shiva, Zoroaster, or any of the others. None of them have any compelling
argument, so my sense of reason informs me they most likely do not exist.
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Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast -
Meatwad
Get off your fuckin' cross. We need the fuckin' space to nail the next fool
martyr - Tool, "Eulogy"
aa #2133
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| User: "Andrew" |
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07 Feb 2005 01:55:01 AM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:36oit9F53gg5uU1@individual.net...
TV's Andrew wrote:
"Al Klein" wrote in message
news:0uud01df55hhb6m5pjfg0pc2oqd6gsv8e4@4ax.com...
"Andrew" said in alt.atheism:
noun: One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God
For anyone to actually know that God does not exist
Bait and switch noted. "Disbelieve" doesn't mean "believe the
opposite".
What is your position? Do you ~KNOW~ that God
does not exist? Or do you just "disbelieve" in Him??
Nobody "knows" that gods don't exist.
I'm not speaking for Al, but personally I simply do not accept the claims by
theists that their god exists, whether that god is Allah, "God," Yahweh,
Shiva, Zoroaster, or any of the others. None of them have any compelling
argument, so my sense of reason informs me they most likely do not exist.
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Oh I see. So you acknowledge that you do not know whether God exists or
not, and therefore you also acknowledge that in fact He ~may~ indeed exist,
but right now you have seen no compelling argument. Is this correct?
Andrew
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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07 Feb 2005 04:13:57 PM |
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On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:55:01 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
said in alt.atheism:
Oh I see. So you acknowledge that you do not know whether God exists or
not, and therefore you also acknowledge that in fact He ~may~ indeed exist
No, as you were told, your particular god can't exist - as defined by
your religion. Some god may exist, but no one has ever come up with
any objective evidence that any god objectively exists.
but right now you have seen no compelling argument. Is this correct?
No - compelling arguments are merely opinions. No objective evidence,
no reason to believe, argument, compelling or not, aside.
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"If anyone comes to me, and does not hate his father, mother, wife, brothers, and sisters and even himself, he cannot be my disciple."
Luke 14:26
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| User: "towelie" |
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07 Feb 2005 02:56:40 AM |
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TV's Andrew wrote:
I'm not speaking for Al, but personally I simply do not accept the claims
by
theists that their god exists, whether that god is Allah, "God," Yahweh,
Shiva, Zoroaster, or any of the others. None of them have any compelling
argument, so my sense of reason informs me they most likely do not exist.
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Oh I see. So you acknowledge that you do not know whether God exists or
not, and therefore you also acknowledge that in fact He ~may~ indeed
exist,
but right now you have seen no compelling argument. Is this correct?
Since you're using capitalized pronouns (what's up with that?) I assume
you're referring to biblegod. I do indeed know that the god as described in
the bible does not exist, simply because the description is contradictory.
It's possible that other gods exist, but it's also possible that the Green
Giant is a real being. I cannot prove that no gods exist, and I can't prove
the Green Giant doesn't exist. You cannot prove a negative.
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Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast -
Meatwad
Get off your fuckin' cross. We need the fuckin' space to nail the next fool
martyr - Tool, "Eulogy"
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "John Baker" |
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04 Feb 2005 04:43:15 PM |
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 12:41:38 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
wrote:
"sanguinevikings" wrote in message news:uIydnfRNoIbDxJ7fRVnyjw@brightview.com...
Andrew wrote:
"sanguinevikings" wrote:
I don't give a flying toss what the bible says. I'm an atheist. I have
read many, many more books than you have and understand things, which
you clearly do not. You are a copy(steal) and paste troll and nothing more.
I have no doubt that you have great knowledge. The problem is that you are
obviously lacking in wisdom.
How the f*&% would you know?
By your attitude and anger which you are having problems with right now.
Actually, we're having problems with *your* attitude.
Also by
the fact that you claim to be an *atheist.* What IS an atheist?
Someone who doesn't buy into your sky pixie fairy tale.
a·the·ist:
noun: One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God
For anyone to actually know that God does not exist, they would have to know
everything in the entire universe in all of it's dimensions. Otherwise the possibility
would remain that He could exist outside of their limited knowledge. Therefore,
for one to claim that "there is no God" shows they are lacking in commonsense.
Now..if one were to actually know -everything- in the entire universe in all of it's
dimensions, that would mean that they were omniscient, a characteristic that only
God has, which would mean that they themselves would be God, thus refuting
their former assertion, "there is no God." That's why atheism is unreasonable.
You're a fucking idiot. But I'll bet you hear that a lot, don't you?
Andrew
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| User: "DJ Nozem" |
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04 Feb 2005 05:04:04 PM |
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 12:41:38 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
wrote:
"sanguinevikings" wrote in message news:uIydnfRNoIbDxJ7fRVnyjw@brightview.com...
Andrew wrote:
"sanguinevikings" wrote:
I don't give a flying toss what the bible says. I'm an atheist. I have
read many, many more books than you have and understand things, which
you clearly do not. You are a copy(steal) and paste troll and nothing more.
I have no doubt that you have great knowledge. The problem is that you are
obviously lacking in wisdom.
How the f*&% would you know?
By your attitude and anger which you are having problems with right now. Also by
the fact that you claim to be an *atheist.* What IS an atheist?
You would be a good judge upon wisdom, presumably...
a·the·ist:
noun: One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God
Bla bla bla. We've just been over this definition thing. Most people
here define themselves as lacking belief in gods. For better or worse,
when they claim to be atheists, that is what they are referring to.
For anyone to actually know that God does not exist, they would have to know
everything in the entire universe in all of it's dimensions. Otherwise the possibility
would remain that He could exist outside of their limited knowledge. Therefore,
for one to claim that "there is no God" shows they are lacking in commonsense.
Claiming to be an atheist is, by the definition you gave, no more than
stating a disbelief. There is no claim inherent in disbelief, just
like you can believe all you want to without having to take upon
yourself the burden of demonstrating that your belief can be proven to
be true.
Furthermore, atheists who do claim that there is no God can satisfy
their burden of proof by arguing that theirs is a reasonable position
to take. Of course there is no proof of God's nonexistence, but no
such thing exists outside of logics and mathematics anyway.
There are various inductive arguments on the non-existence of a
certain narrowly defined deity by which it could be maintained that
claiming that there is no such thing is reasonable. No absolute
knowledge required.
Now..if one were to actually know -everything- in the entire universe in all of it's
dimensions, that would mean that they were omniscient, a characteristic that only
God has, which would mean that they themselves would be God, thus refuting
their former assertion, "there is no God." That's why atheism is unreasonable.
Is omniscience a sufficient condition for godhood, then? What if you
know everything, but can't do anything?
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We give meaning to each other
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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04 Feb 2005 07:09:18 PM |
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 12:41:38 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
wrote:
By your attitude and anger which you are having problems with right now. Also by
the fact that you claim to be an *atheist.* What IS an atheist?
Troll.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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04 Feb 2005 04:12:17 PM |
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on 04 Feb 2005 in alt.atheism, Andrew dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:
I have no doubt that you have great knowledge. The problem is that
you are obviously lacking in wisdom.
How the f*&% would you know?
By your attitude and anger which you are having problems with right
now.
I don't have any problem at all spewing my anger at hateful christians who
refuse to live and let live. You know, the type who define atheists as
<snip>
a·the·ist:
noun: One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God
and the type who think they know everything there is to know about that
which they obviously do not.
For anyone to actually know that God does not exist, they would have
to know everything in the entire universe in all of it's dimensions.
Not true. There are clues all over the place. The bible (the supposed
word of this god) is the most prominent. The mere fact that the knowledge
level of science and astronomy in the bible reflects not the knowledge
level of an omniscient god but that of an ignorant shepherd speaks well of
the god's non-existence. Also, the fact that modern science shows that
everything you call "creation" could and does happen all by itself shows
that no gods are required. Your god's supposed word also contains a
multitude of contradictions, which some christians deny and the rest
ignore. The god's existence is pre-supposed, and the rest is proven to be
true based on that assumption. Your worldview begs the question.
Otherwise the possibility would remain that He could exist outside of
their limited knowledge. Therefore, for one to claim that "there is no
God" shows they are lacking in commonsense.
If you apply even a little common sense to your religion, you'd discover
that it has nothing in common with reality except for that which it stole
from the Golden Rule. This god of yours does not exist within the realm of
logic, we can use your own bible to show you that.
<snip>
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are the kind of
people you wouldn't want to ***** in the first place?
--George Carlin
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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04 Feb 2005 05:52:21 PM |
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 02:19:38 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net>
wrote:
"sanguinevikings" wrote in message news:rbmdnTzNB7E01J7fRVnyhQ@brightview.com...
I don't give a flying toss what the bible says. I'm an atheist. I have
read many, many more books than you have and understand things, which
you clearly do not. You are a copy(steal) and paste troll and nothing more.
I have no doubt that you have great knowledge. The problem is that you are
obviously lacking in wisdom.
Which is what you lack both. Hence, your whoring for attention.
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| User: "Orion7" |
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03 Feb 2005 07:38:23 PM |
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There is no ground for the supposition that man was evolved by slow
degrees of development from the lower forms of animal or vegetable
life. Such teaching lowers the great work of the Creator to the level
of man's narrow, earthly conceptions. Men are so intent upon excluding
God from the sovereignty of the universe that they degrade man and
defraud him of the dignity of his origin. He who set the starry worlds
on high and tinted with delicate skill the flowers of the field, who
filled the earth and the heavens with the wonders of His power, when He
came to crown His glorious work, to place one in the midst to stand as
ruler of the fair earth, did not fail to create a being worthy of the
hand that gave him life. The genealogy of our race, as given by
inspiration, traces back its origin, not to a line of developing germs,
mollusks, and quadrupeds, but to the great Creator.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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03 Feb 2005 08:03:37 PM |
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"Orion7" <gary.zw@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1107481103.439133.254770@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
There is no ground for the supposition that man was evolved by slow
degrees of development from the lower forms of animal or vegetable
life. Such teaching lowers the great work of the Creator to the level
of man's narrow, earthly conceptions. Men are so intent upon excluding
God from the sovereignty of the universe that they degrade man and
defraud him of the dignity of his origin. He who set the starry worlds
on high and tinted with delicate skill the flowers of the field, who
filled the earth and the heavens with the wonders of His power, when He
came to crown His glorious work, to place one in the midst to stand as
ruler of the fair earth, did not fail to create a being worthy of the
hand that gave him life. The genealogy of our race, as given by
inspiration, traces back its origin, not to a line of developing germs,
mollusks, and quadrupeds, but to the great Creator.
Prove it ;)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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03 Feb 2005 09:33:51 PM |
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On 03 Feb 2005, Orion7 dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
There is no ground for the supposition that man was evolved by slow
degrees of development from the lower forms of animal or vegetable
life. Such teaching lowers the great work of the Creator to the level
of man's narrow, earthly conceptions.
And this amply illustrates the fundamentalist Christian tendency to deny
reality when it contradicts his scriptures. Thank you.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you
wouldn't want to ***** in the first place?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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04 Feb 2005 12:56:39 AM |
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On 3 Feb 2005 17:38:23 -0800, "Orion7" <gary.zw@gmail.com> said in
alt.atheism:
There is no ground for the supposition that man was evolved by slow
degrees of development from the lower forms of animal or vegetable
life. Such teaching lowers the great work of the Creator to the level
of man's narrow, earthly conceptions. Men are so intent upon excluding
God from the sovereignty of the universe that they degrade man and
defraud him of the dignity of his origin. He who set the starry worlds
on high and tinted with delicate skill the flowers of the field, who
filled the earth and the heavens with the wonders of His power, when He
came to crown His glorious work, to place one in the midst to stand as
ruler of the fair earth, did not fail to create a being worthy of the
hand that gave him life. The genealogy of our race, as given by
inspiration, traces back its origin, not to a line of developing germs,
mollusks, and quadrupeds, but to the great Creator.
You're supposed to show where you lifted this from. Not doing so
makes it plagiarism.
Here, I'll help you:
Lifted bodily from
http://www.bibleuniverse.com/grandmas_attic.asp?ID=6
(and dishonestly posted as original thought).
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"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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| User: "snex" |
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03 Feb 2005 07:40:08 PM |
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Orion7 wrote:
There is no ground for the supposition that man was evolved by slow
degrees of development from the lower forms of animal or vegetable
life. Such teaching lowers the great work of the Creator to the level
of man's narrow, earthly conceptions. Men are so intent upon
excluding
God from the sovereignty of the universe that they degrade man and
defraud him of the dignity of his origin. He who set the starry
worlds
on high and tinted with delicate skill the flowers of the field, who
filled the earth and the heavens with the wonders of His power, when
He
came to crown His glorious work, to place one in the midst to stand
as
ruler of the fair earth, did not fail to create a being worthy of the
hand that gave him life. The genealogy of our race, as given by
inspiration, traces back its origin, not to a line of developing
germs,
mollusks, and quadrupeds, but to the great Creator.
kenneth miller is an evolutionary biologist and also a christian. try
again.
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03 Feb 2005 11:25:33 PM |
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Orion7 wrote:
There is no ground for the supposition that man was evolved by slow
degrees of development from the lower forms of animal or vegetable
life. Such teaching lowers the great work of the Creator to the level
of man's narrow, earthly conceptions. Men are so intent upon excluding
God from the sovereignty of the universe that they degrade man and
defraud him of the dignity of his origin. He who set the starry worlds
on high and tinted with delicate skill the flowers of the field, who
filled the earth and the heavens with the wonders of His power, when He
came to crown His glorious work, to place one in the midst to stand as
ruler of the fair earth, did not fail to create a being worthy of the
hand that gave him life. The genealogy of our race, as given by
inspiration, traces back its origin, not to a line of developing germs,
mollusks, and quadrupeds, but to the great Creator.
Man, if you believe that crap, you're a goner. And if the day comes when
you wish to reach your "god" (or Orion) sooner than later, please do not
take anybody else with you. Drink the Kool-Aid alone.
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Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "sanguinevikings" |
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04 Feb 2005 02:35:01 AM |
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Orion7 wrote:
There is no ground for the supposition that man was evolved by slow
degrees of development from the lower forms of animal or vegetable
life. Such teaching lowers the great work of the Creator to the level
of man's narrow, earthly conceptions. Men are so intent upon excluding
God from the sovereignty of the universe that they degrade man and
defraud him of the dignity of his origin. He who set the starry worlds
on high and tinted with delicate skill the flowers of the field, who
filled the earth and the heavens with the wonders of His power, when He
came to crown His glorious work, to place one in the midst to stand as
ruler of the fair earth, did not fail to create a being worthy of the
hand that gave him life. The genealogy of our race, as given by
inspiration, traces back its origin, not to a line of developing germs,
mollusks, and quadrupeds, but to the great Creator.
This argument is riddled with logical fallacies including ad hominem,
argument from authority. What it amounts to is positing an alternitive
truth that attempts to rob me of absolutely all of my rights as a human
being.
I made chicken soup the other day. It is made with the wings of fowl. In
order to recover the flesh of said fowl, the bones have to be picked out
of it. There are three bones to be picked out. They exactly resemble a
Femur, Fibula and Tibia of a human in exactly the same proportions.
For my part, I find this information fascinating and intriguing. You
find that it does not require an explanation and ignore it, because the
explanations for eveything are in one book, which took thousands of men
thousands of years to write, and most of the original material for which
wasn't used. Some of this material e.g. the gospel according to Mary
Magadalene, is hidden in a vault in the Vatican.
You insult and decry the endeavours of many more men and women who,
instead of listening to hearsay and superstition, have done their own
work, measured, observed and proved things and written many more books,
which you can't be bothered to read - sloth, another deadly sin.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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03 Feb 2005 07:56:37 PM |
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On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:46:28 -0500, "Cindy" <truth@nospam.com> said in
alt.atheism:
Is it worth pointing out that while all sin leads to death
No, since "sin" is a concept that's only valid within the confines of
your religion. To 2/3 of the world it's just your belief and nothing
more.
Atheists don't acknowledge that which does not exist. It's called
honesty. Why isn't lying one of your God's seven deadly sins? Is it
because you have to lie to sustain your faith?
He obviously doesn't acknowledge what is written in the bible either,
as I can't believe he's never heard of the ten commandments...
One of them is "Thou shalt not bear false witness" - Exodus 20
The OT (which is what you're quoting from) tells us to not eat
shellfish, not eat pork, not eat milk and meat together, not wear
clothing of mixed fabric, keep Saturday (the English word for
"Shabbat") holy ...
Do you obey all these rules?
[preaching, not being allowed in alt.atheism, snipped]
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
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| User: "Andrew" |
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03 Feb 2005 01:22:09 PM |
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"sanguinevikings" wrote in message news:-oSdnQBp_OS-6Z_fRVnysA@brightview.com...
Andrew wrote:
"sanguinevikings" wrote in message news:XaWdnYb1PevB85_fRVnysg@brightview.com...
She might well be a Christian, but why does homosexuality bother you
personally? As if I didn't know already.
It is not a personal issue. I just wanted to point out the relationship between
homosexuality and the theory of origins through evolution and the refusal to
acknowledge the evidence for inteligent disign in the creation.
Atheists don't acknowledge that which does not exist. It's called
honesty.
It's called dishonesty to not acknowledge the abundant evidence for inteligent disign
which is everywhere in the creation. Therefore, there is really no excuse to not know
that there is a Creator.
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are CLEARLY SEEN,
being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead;
so that they are WITHOUT EXCUSE."
~Rom 1:20~
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| User: "Cindy" |
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03 Feb 2005 04:56:58 PM |
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"Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote in message
news:36fbuvF500vb7U1@individual.net...
"sanguinevikings" wrote in message
news:-oSdnQBp_OS-6Z_fRVnysA@brightview.com...
Andrew wrote:
"sanguinevikings" wrote in message
news:XaWdnYb1PevB85_fRVnysg@brightview.com...
She might well be a Christian, but why does homosexuality bother
you
personally? As if I didn't know already.
Well I don't know, but her justification of Rome's murders of
non-Catholics (which includes atheists) didn't seem to bother one
person condemning her here for homosexuality, nor did they demonstrate
they thought that affected her status as a Christian...
FYI: She is against the death penalty for murderers, but defends the
burning of those who differ from her in religion, and she supports and
defends Rome's history of genocide while claiming to be "pro-life"
It is not a personal issue. I just wanted to point out the
relationship between
homosexuality and the theory of origins through evolution and
the refusal to
acknowledge the evidence for inteligent disign in the creation.
Atheists don't acknowledge that which does not exist. It's called
honesty.
It's called dishonesty to not acknowledge the abundant evidence for
inteligent disign
which is everywhere in the creation. Therefore, there is really no
excuse to not know
that there is a Creator.
Personally I am disgusted here.
Why not just be blunt, and say:
The existance of ovaries with eggs, a womb and mammary glands, and a
vagina is proof a female was made to both nurture life, and bring it
forth. The existance of a penis and testicles with sperm, and muscles
is proof a male was created to start life, and protect it. Neither can
do so without the other.
So don't pretend you were created to be anything but heterosexual,
because your own body testifies against this. Homosexuals, Pedophiles,
Necrophiles and those who engage in bestiality all follow their own
carnal minds and the desires of their fallen flesh. Were they created
to do this? No. The same God can be merciful and save all, he can
change us and create a new heart and spirit within us all.
If only we stop justifying ourselves, and our sins, (or denying that
they are sin)and just ask him to show us our sins and save us, and
have faith...
God invented sex, and our desires. It was intended to between a man
and woman, in a monogamous and loving relationship, and it is
procreation. If you want to make a choice, please do so before you
procreate and concieve life.
The pain receptors in an infant, make his pain worse than in an adult
when you rip him or her apart (without anesthesia even) while aborting
your baby as science has now proven. It is NOT the Mother's body, IT
IS ---> your babies body, and God knew him or her from the womb.
A mother may kill her baby and the father has no choice to keep it.. A
mother may have her baby and the father has no choice but to support
it even if he doesn't want it. A mother may abort and it is not
murder, she may be shot in the stomache and now the shooter murdered
her baby. If she takes illegal drugs and the baby dies, she murders
her baby, if she takes legal drugs with the intent to kill the baby,
it is not. If you talk about the Ustashi's ripping the unborn out of a
unwilling mother and beating their heads against the wall,or catching
them on bayonets, the pro-lifers don't care. What is wrong here?????
If life is concieved, the odds of one species evolving into another is
astronomical. What are the odds of a male and female of each species
evolving at the exact same place and time to be able to reproduce?
Now, what are the odds of there being a intelligent Creator?
What explanation can evolutionists offer for the origins of the basic
building blocks of life , and the universe? How did they come to be?
And from what?
Yeah it takes alot of faith and belief without evidence to establish
the theory of evolution. meanwhile they keep pointing out that
Creation is not proven as if they have proven their "theory"...
Why argue with such foolishness? Creation has never been debunked nor
have facts supporting it changed, yet they keep having to change their
theory due to finding out times or evidence was false, and(or) they
were in error. It appears the theory of evolution itself is
evolving...
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are
CLEARLY SEEN,
being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal
power and Godhead;
so that they are WITHOUT EXCUSE."
~Rom 1:20~
true.
~ Cindy
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03 Feb 2005 05:32:38 PM |
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MsAnthrope claims she is a Taoist....
but her justification of Rome's murders of
non-Catholics (which includes atheists)
You talking about MsAnthrope aka Teresita?
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| User: "Cindy" |
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04 Feb 2005 02:49:02 PM |
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"Orion7" <gary.zw@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1107473558.875312.127890@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
MsAnthrope claims she is a Taoist....
I saw that. She has always claimed to be Catholic as well.
I don't know how she can resolve her new claimed doctrine of the
"nameless void" with her Catholic beliefs, but then she claims many
things..
many of them deceitful.
but her justification of Rome's murders of
non-Catholics (which includes atheists)
You talking about MsAnthrope aka Teresita?
Yes, that Teresita.
http://snipurl.com/Terrorsita
Also:
http://snipurl.com/MsAnthrope
And after she told us:
"You Sabbatistas are an example of the first heretics the Church had
to put down; Judaizers"
http://snipurl.com/SundayLawsAndRebels
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| User: "Orion7" |
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04 Feb 2005 03:35:59 PM |
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You Sabbatistas are an example of the first
heretics the Church had
to put down; Judaizers
So us Sabbath keepers are heretics? According to Teresita the
Catholic/Taoist!
Terrorsita is an appropriate name for her. Think about it she is a
Lesbian, a Catholic and a Taoist and wants to kill true Christians....
all of this adds up to someone who's real master is Satan.
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04 Feb 2005 06:46:57 PM |
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On 4 Feb 2005 13:35:59 -0800, "Orion7" <gary.zw@gmail.com> wrote:
Terrorsita is an appropriate name for her. Think about it she is a
Lesbian, a Catholic and a Taoist and wants to kill true Christians....
all of this adds up to someone who's real master is Satan.
And Satan's master is God. Name one incident in the bible where Satan
fails to do what God told him to do.
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MsAnthrope
http://web.newsguy.com/rubyred
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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03 Feb 2005 06:13:55 PM |
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"Cindy" <cynthia@stopthespamlocalline.com> wrote in news:36fpavF50nivjU1
@individual.net:
So don't pretend you were created to be anything but heterosexual,
because your own body testifies against this.
Big assumption there. If I don't believe I was "created", then your
argument is worthless. Support your assumption.
--
Enkidu AA# 2165
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Attributed to Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
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| User: "Cindy" |
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04 Feb 2005 03:09:13 PM |
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"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:Xns95F2A52335C57255229@130.133.1.4...
"Cindy" <cynthia@stopthespamlocalline.com> wrote in
news:36fpavF50nivjU1
@individual.net:
So don't pretend you were created to be anything but
heterosexual,
because your own body testifies against this.
Big assumption there. If I don't believe I was "created", then your
argument is worthless. Support your assumption.
Why? Even if you believe you evolved into a homosexual, your whole
body still betrays that claim. You believe in survival of the
fittest? well without a way to perpetuate your species, which
according to Darwin should be your purpose, you and those like you
will be extinct soon.
Things that make you go hmmm...
"Natural selection allows the successes, but 'rubs out' the failures.
Thus, selection creates complex order, without the need for a
designing mind. All of the fancy arguments about a number of
improbabilities, having to be swallowed at one gulp, are irrelevant.
Selection makes the improbable, actual."-*Michael Ruse, Darwinism
Defended (1982), p. 308.
or is it random??
"Modern evolutionary theory holds that evolution is 'opportunistic,'
in the word of paleontologist George Gaylord Simpson. At any point, it
goes in the direction that is advantageous, often reshaping old
structures for new uses. It does not know its destination, nor is it
impelled to follow one particular direction."-*R. Milner, Encyclopedia
of Evolution (1990), p. 345.
It's kinda like when matter and anti-matter meet.
"How can total randomness select only that which is better, and move
only in advantageous directions? Random occurrences never work that
way. Yet in the never-never land of evolutionary theory, they are said
to do so."
--
Enkidu AA# 2165
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Attributed to Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
You might consider that if God didn't allow free choice we'd be
mindless drones,
but he does not force the will, even if it opposes him.
Evil is the absence of God, just like Darkness is the absence of
light..
~ Cindy
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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04 Feb 2005 05:18:27 PM |
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"Cindy" <truth@nospam.com> wrote in
news:cu0p22$5hv@library2.airnews.net:
"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:Xns95F2A52335C57255229@130.133.1.4...
"Cindy" <cynthia@stopthespamlocalline.com> wrote in
news:36fpavF50nivjU1
@individual.net:
So don't pretend you were created to be anything but
heterosexual,
because your own body testifies against this.
Big assumption there. If I don't believe I was "created", then your
argument is worthless. Support your assumption.
Why? Even if you believe you evolved into a homosexual, your whole
body still betrays that claim. You believe in survival of the
fittest? well without a way to perpetuate your species, which
according to Darwin should be your purpose, you and those like you
will be extinct soon.
One could always counter your argument with "Perhaps gays aren't the
fittest. So what. In the jungle of life, you are unlikely to be the
fittest either. So what. We don't remove civil rights of other sterile
citizens."
One could counter your argument with "Perhaps you don't understand
evolution. It isn't induviduals that evolve, but populations. Gay
people may well help spread their genes withing a population by aiding
their relatives, who survive and leave more offspring behind."
One could counter your argument many other ways.
Things that make you go hmmm...
No, not really.
"Natural selection allows the successes, but 'rubs out' the failures.
Over time, natural selection changes the composition of a species genes.
That a genetic feature exists is reason to suspect it is not truly
detrimental. Consider Sicle Cell as an example.
Thus, selection creates complex order, without the need for a
designing mind. All of the fancy arguments about a number of
improbabilities, having to be swallowed at one gulp, are irrelevant.
Selection makes the improbable, actual."-*Michael Ruse, Darwinism
Defended (1982), p. 308.
Yep. Read the whole book. Also, read "The Blind Watchmaker" by
Dawkins.
or is it random??
Mutation is random. Evolution is not.
"Modern evolutionary theory holds that evolution is 'opportunistic,'
in the word of paleontologist George Gaylord Simpson. At any point, it
goes in the direction that is advantageous, often reshaping old
structures for new uses. It does not know its destination, nor is it
impelled to follow one particular direction."-*R. Milner, Encyclopedia
of Evolution (1990), p. 345.
Certainly true.
It's kinda like when matter and anti-matter meet.
No, it's nothing like "when matter and anti-matter meet."
"How can total randomness select only that which is better, and move
only in advantageous directions? Random occurrences never work that
way. Yet in the never-never land of evolutionary theory, they are said
to do so."
You mis-read your religion into evolution. "Total randomness" selects
nothing. What is random is mutation. The selection of those mutations
that survive and prosper is anything but random. Mutations which give a
reproductive advantage to the collection of genes they tend to travel
with increase in frequency, along with the rest of those genes.
Hypothetically, a gene that slightly increased an organism's chance of
becoming homosexual, but increased it's chance of survival in some other
way buy a greater degree, perhaps by increasing communications skills,
would lead to a increase of that trait in the population. Again, look
at sickle cell. It's a genetic trait that causes death if inherited
from both parents, but counters malaria if inherited from just one
parent. Why hasn't sickle cell been bred out of the human race?
Because, as dredful as it is when it goes wrong, the advantage it
confers is greater.
You might consider that if God didn't allow free choice we'd be
mindless drones,
but he does not force the will, even if it opposes him.
Evil is the absence of God, just like Darkness is the absence of
light..
"Believe or suffer eternal torture" does not appeal to my free will.
--
Enkidu AA# 2165
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Attributed to Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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04 Feb 2005 08:13:39 PM |
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Why? Even if you believe you evolved into a homosexual, your whole
body still betrays that claim. You believe in survival of the
fittest? well without a way to perpetuate your species, which
according to Darwin should be your purpose, you and those like you
will be extinct soon.
Perhaps the writer should look up the word species and realize that the
individual is not the species.
There are any number of creatures where this is quite obvious, bees come to
mind. Only one bee per hive bears young and thousands will die to protect
her.
Wolves tend to mate for life and an "uncle" wolf is part of a trio that
forms to raise pups.
Many primates have similar structures of society (except some of them cheat
when they get a chance)
Incidentally most of us realize that the fitter animals may survive but for
the species it's survival of the good enough.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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06 Feb 2005 11:38:43 PM |
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:09:13 -0500, "Cindy" <truth@nospam.com> said in
alt.atheism:
"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:Xns95F2A52335C57255229@130.133.1.4...
"Cindy" <cynthia@stopthespamlocalline.com> wrote in
news:36fpavF50nivjU1
@individual.net:
So don't pretend you were created to be anything but
heterosexual,
because your own body testifies against this.
Big assumption there. If I don't believe I was "created", then your
argument is worthless. Support your assumption.
Why? Even if you believe you evolved into a homosexual, your whole
body still betrays that claim. You believe in survival of the
fittest? well without a way to perpetuate
Heterosexual parents have homosexual children.
your species
"Homosexual" isn't a species.
which according to Darwin should be your purpose
That's according to Christians. Science doesn't assign any "purpose"
to our being here.
Things that make you go hmmm...
"Natural selection allows the successes, but 'rubs out' the failures.
Thus, selection creates complex order, without the need for a
designing mind. All of the fancy arguments about a number of
improbabilities, having to be swallowed at one gulp, are irrelevant.
Selection makes the improbable, actual."-*Michael Ruse, Darwinism
Defended (1982), p. 308.
or is it random??
Who said anything about randomness? Natural selection is most
definitely NOT a random process.
"Modern evolutionary theory holds that evolution is 'opportunistic,'
in the word of paleontologist George Gaylord Simpson. At any point, it
goes in the direction that is advantageous, often reshaping old
structures for new uses. It does not know its destination, nor is it
impelled to follow one particular direction."-*R. Milner, Encyclopedia
of Evolution (1990), p. 345.
It's kinda like when matter and anti-matter meet.
It's kinda not anything like when matter and antimatter meet.
"How can total randomness select only that which is better, and move
only in advantageous directions? Random occurrences never work that
way. Yet in the never-never land of evolutionary theory, they are said
to do so."
By creationists, not by evolutionists.
--
"If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can
solve them."
-Isaac Asimov
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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03 Feb 2005 05:33:31 PM |
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In article <36fpavF50nivjU1@individual.net>, Cindy said...
Creation has never been debunked nor
have facts supporting it changed,
Young-earth creationism was debunked about two hundred years ago
-- by Christians. But those Christians were honest enough to
follow the evidence where it led. Modern creationists are not.
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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03 Feb 2005 10:36:04 PM |
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In article <36fpavF50nivjU1@individual.net>, Cindy said...
What are the odds of a male and female of each species
evolving at the exact same place and time to be able to
reproduce?
That question bellows out misunderstanding like a dragon blasts
out fire.
It's not as if biologists believe that an australopithecine
mother gave birth to a fully human homo sapiens baby boy, while
somewhere on the other side of the jungle -- by astonishing luck
-- another mother ape produced a fully human baby girl. That's
not how it works. That's not even the drunken, demented twelfth
cousin of how it works.
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