In article <rtCdnfCn_9M3eCbeRVn-qw@megapath.net>, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In <jason-0301062131180001@pm4-broad-40.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

http://www.talkorigins/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html

Note that the definition of "macroevolution" given there
doesn't at all agree with your use of the term:

"Evolution can be divided into microevolution and
macroevolution. The kind of evolution documented above is
microevolution. Larger changes, such as when a new species

formed, are called macroevolution. Some biologists feel

mechanisms of macroevolution are different from those of
microevolutionary change. Others think the distinction
between the two is arbitrary -- macroevolution is

microevolution."

Basically, "macroevolution" includes new species formation
and the evolution of the groups of related species

from a common ancestral species. Microevolution on the

hand is evolutionary change within a single species.

Basically, "macroevolution includes new species formation WHEN
THE NEW SPECIES IS A MEMBER OF A DIFFERENT FAMILY OR A UNIQUE
FAMILY. IF THE NEW SPECIES CONTINUES TO BE A MEMBER OF THE

FAMILY THAT IT EVOLVED FROM--THAT'S MICROEVOLUTION.

Jason, you don't know diddly squat about the subject. What

you think you get to define the terms?

I define the term the same way that Dr. John Morris defines the

term. Upon

request, I'll post the article that he wrote related to this
subject or tell you where you can find it on the web.

Dr. John Morris is the new president of the Institute for Creation
Research. He's the son of Dr. Henry Morris--the founder and first
president of ICR.

His Ph D is in engineering. What qualifies him to talk about the

of life on earth?

According to the last page of a book that he co-wrote related to the
volcanic eruption at Mount St. Helens--John Morris has a Ph.D. in
Geological Engineering. One of the books he wrote is related to the

Bang theory.

Huh. So the next time you need a doctor, you'll go to a mechanic eh?

Are you implying that someone that has a degree in Geological Engineering
knows nothing about geology?

In article <rtCdnfCn_9M3eCbeRVn-qw@megapath.net>, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In <jason-0301062131180001@pm4-broad-40.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,

In article <4bkmr1hcvblg64fue6s7uvhebfbe2ucjmm@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:

On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 19:24:32 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism

In article <M4Cdne0RY8FMsSbeRVn-qw@megapath.net>, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In <jason-0301061736400001@pm4-broad-9.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,

In article <fi5mr15058l795mja14g4iodmrrhmgak14@4ax.com>, John
Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:

On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:59:04 -0800,

In article
<jason-0301060908450001@pm4-broad-35.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,

In article <dpe77k$lip$1@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu>, "mel
turner" <mturner@snipthis.acpub.duke.edu> wrote:

"Jason" <

In article
<v4sgr1dd17fnshja199vgd26nai37vkjnh@4ax.com>, David
Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:

[big snip]

Then why do you use concepts that are invented by
religious

folks like

an undefined 'macro-evolution'?

visit this site:
http://www.talkorigins/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html

Note that the definition of "macroevolution" given there
doesn't at all agree with your use of the term:

"Evolution can be divided into microevolution and
macroevolution. The kind of evolution documented above is
microevolution. Larger changes, such as when a new
species is formed, are called macroevolution. Some
biologists feel the mechanisms of macroevolution are
different from those of microevolutionary change. Others
think the distinction between the two is arbitrary --
macroevolution is cumulative microevolution."

see also
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/macroevolution.html

http://www.nhm.ac.uk/hosted_sites/paleonet/paleo21/mevolution.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Basically, "macroevolution" includes new species
formation and the evolution of the groups of related
species descended from a common ancestral species.
Microevolution on the other hand is evolutionary change
within a single species. Speciation is thus the only new
essential macroevolutionary process needed in addition to
the microevolution changes. The evolution of the deer
family or the ape/human family or of all Mammalia from
their common ancestors will be macroevolution, and like
all macroevolution can be reduced to the cumulative
effects of microevolution, plus speciations, plus
extinctions. Nothing more seems needed.

cheers

Thanks for the above post. I once would have agreed with the
above definition. After I saw the results of research related
to bacteria and viruses. I read about one new species of
mosquito that probably evolved from another species of
mosquito. Some of the hummingbird species are almost
identical to other hummingbird species. I would change one of
the sentences mentioned above to

Basically, "macroevolution includes new species formation
WHEN THE NEW SPECIES IS A MEMBER OF A DIFFERENT FAMILY OR A
UNIQUE FAMILY. IF THE NEW SPECIES CONTINUES TO BE A MEMBER OF
THE SAME FAMILY THAT IT EVOLVED FROM--THAT'S MICROEVOLUTION.

Jason, you don't know diddly squat about the subject. What
makes you think you get to define the terms?

I define the term the same way that Dr. John Morris defines the

term. Upon

request, I'll post the article that he wrote related to this
subject or tell you where you can find it on the web.

Who cares how Morris defines the terms? Who is he?

Dr. John Morris is the new president of the Institute for Creation
Research. He's the son of Dr. Henry Morris--the founder and first
president of ICR.

His Ph D is in engineering. What qualifies him to talk about the
history of life on earth?

According to the last page of a book that he co-wrote related to the
volcanic eruption at Mount St. Helens--John Morris has a Ph.D. in
Geological Engineering. One of the books he wrote is related to the
Big Bang theory.

Huh. So the next time you need a doctor, you'll go to a mechanic eh?

Are you implying that someone that has a degree in Geological
Engineering knows nothing about geology?

In article <rtCdnfCn_9M3eCbeRVn-qw@megapath.net>, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In <jason-0301062131180001@pm4-broad-40.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,

In article <4bkmr1hcvblg64fue6s7uvhebfbe2ucjmm@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:

On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 19:24:32 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism

In article <M4Cdne0RY8FMsSbeRVn-qw@megapath.net>, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In <jason-0301061736400001@pm4-broad-9.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,

In article <fi5mr15058l795mja14g4iodmrrhmgak14@4ax.com>, John Baker
<nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:

On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:59:04 -0800,

In article
<jason-0301060908450001@pm4-broad-35.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,

In article <dpe77k$lip$1@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu>, "mel turner"
<mturner@snipthis.acpub.duke.edu> wrote:

"Jason" <

In article <v4sgr1dd17fnshja199vgd26nai37vkjnh@4ax.com>,
David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:

[big snip]

Then why do you use concepts that are invented by
religious

folks like

an undefined 'macro-evolution'?

visit this site:
http://www.talkorigins/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html

Note that the definition of "macroevolution" given there
doesn't at all agree with your use of the term:

"Evolution can be divided into microevolution and
macroevolution. The kind of evolution documented above is
microevolution. Larger changes, such as when a new species is
formed, are called macroevolution. Some biologists feel the
mechanisms of macroevolution are different from those of
microevolutionary change. Others think the distinction
between the two is arbitrary -- macroevolution is cumulative
microevolution."

see also
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/macroevolution.html

http://www.nhm.ac.uk/hosted_sites/paleonet/paleo21/mevolution.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Basically, "macroevolution" includes new species formation
and the evolution of the groups of related species descended
from a common ancestral species. Microevolution on the other
hand is evolutionary change within a single species.
Speciation is thus the only new essential macroevolutionary
process needed in addition to the microevolution changes.
The evolution of the deer family or the ape/human family or
of all Mammalia from their common ancestors will be
macroevolution, and like all macroevolution can be reduced to
the cumulative effects of microevolution, plus speciations,
plus extinctions. Nothing more seems needed.

cheers

Thanks for the above post. I once would have agreed with the
above definition. After I saw the results of research related to
bacteria and viruses. I read about one new species of mosquito
that probably evolved from another species of mosquito. Some of
the hummingbird species are almost identical to other hummingbird
species. I would change one of the sentences mentioned above to

Basically, "macroevolution includes new species formation WHEN
THE NEW SPECIES IS A MEMBER OF A DIFFERENT FAMILY OR A UNIQUE
FAMILY. IF THE NEW SPECIES CONTINUES TO BE A MEMBER OF THE SAME
FAMILY THAT IT EVOLVED FROM--THAT'S MICROEVOLUTION.

Jason, you don't know diddly squat about the subject. What makes
you think you get to define the terms?

I define the term the same way that Dr. John Morris defines the

term. Upon

request, I'll post the article that he wrote related to this
subject or tell you where you can find it on the web.

Who cares how Morris defines the terms? Who is he?

Dr. John Morris is the new president of the Institute for Creation
Research. He's the son of Dr. Henry Morris--the founder and first
president of ICR.

His Ph D is in engineering. What qualifies him to talk about the history
of life on earth?

According to the last page of a book that he co-wrote related to the
volcanic eruption at Mount St. Helens--John Morris has a Ph.D. in
Geological Engineering. One of the books he wrote is related to the Big
Bang theory.

Huh. So the next time you need a doctor, you'll go to a mechanic eh?

Are you implying that someone that has a degree in Geological Engineering
knows nothing about geology?

In article <rtCdnfCn_9M3eCbeRVn-qw@megapath.net>, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In <jason-0301062131180001@pm4-broad-40.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

In article <4bkmr1hcvblg64fue6s7uvhebfbe2ucjmm@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:

On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 19:24:32 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-0301061924330001@pm4-broad-9.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:

Dr. John Morris is the new president of the Institute for Creation
Research. He's the son of Dr. Henry Morris--the founder and first
president of ICR.

His Ph D is in engineering. What qualifies him to talk about the history
of life on earth?

According to the last page of a book that he co-wrote related to the
volcanic eruption at Mount St. Helens--John Morris has a Ph.D. in
Geological Engineering. One of the books he wrote is related to the Big
Bang theory.

Huh. So the next time you need a doctor, you'll go to a mechanic eh?

Are you implying that someone that has a degree in Geological Engineering
knows nothing about geology?