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Religions > Atheism |
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"|-|erc" |
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07 Dec 2003 03:39:49 AM |
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Re: james randi a fraud |
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To give JR some positive recognition he has returned numerous emails to me, half
of them reasonably, but because Aus Skeptics had one single man decide my claims
were not testable, JR wrote "I will go along with their decision".
This puts great weakness in the entire testing mechanism when the skeptics companies
can choose who they want to test. The only man who has made a decision on my
presented claims is the same man who featured on A Current Affair, Australias Current Affairs
show as 'degrading applicants' and 'backing down' and 'not providing tests' for applicants.
The same man that claims on a formal media release that Australia Skeptic Society is
*no longer* investigating Fermats Last Theorem along with half dozen other skeptical interest
topics they may or may not have also being lying about doing any work on. We all know FLT
was solved in 1995.
http://www.skeptics.com.au/features/press/aca.htm
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE : 20 June 2003
This is a very simple demonstration of paranormal that no psychic investigator, company
or otherwise has even considered.
Just find some test subjects to see if these posts can be matched to their author :
----1---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Randi will test you when you properly apply to be tested. Sign up here:
http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html
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It really all depends on the situation.
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If ever I actually found myself in that situation, I'd hold it upright,
with the intent of attacking my assailant's knife hand.
-----------------
A cliff86
B Rust 3 attacks metal http://tinyurl.com/nd56
C Shanx
D NormDePloom
E Rich Shewmaker 1 rich showmaker James Randi http://tinyurl.com/nd52
F CNote
G Jeff
H See You In Hell My Friend. 2 It all depends http://tinyurl.com/nd53
I Someone
J Greg Neill
atleast one in 100*100*100 chance of these 3 posts on the same day (02 02 2003 (all replies to
me!))
PLUS I forcasted it :
www.tinyurl.com/gutr
PROOF OF GOD 02 02 2002
...preminition..
http://tinyurl.com/nw1r
What the hell...
rec.knives
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Will Tingle
good for you young man, now while I make a post to rec.knives
I must ask the audience for absolute silence, i.e. don't go there
spouting I'm doing a trick!
Herc
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This is easy to show as being paranormal once you get people to sit the 10 option
3 question test. The answers are trivial, all the names *closely* match their posts.
If we further tested that even from 100 names the posts can be consistently guessed
this makes it a 1 in 1,000,000 coincidence, on the day I predicted. NOONE here
can find 3 replies to them on the same day in google that score 1,000,000 to 1!
By definition its paranormal, the evidence is right before you, the replies to me all
reflect their name, 3 strong datapoints all on the one day. Skeptic companies wont
even examine it!
Herc
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| User: "Happy Dog" |
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| Title: Re: james randi a fraud |
07 Dec 2003 01:30:03 PM |
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"|-|erc" <trymyform@wwwadamskingdom.com> wrote in message
news:wvCAb.941$Bb1.35719@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
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www.StealthHostiing.com You rule Truman.
http://tinyurl.com/iky4
Hey Trueman...love the show. YOU ARE the Truman I heard him. Very
spooky!
Is the truman living in Townsville? I've been hearing stuff,
yeah.
Webmasters help the TRUEman by joining www.theBanner.net Current:1
Goal:1000
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To give JR some positive recognition he has returned numerous emails to
me, half
of them reasonably, but because Aus Skeptics had one single man decide my
claims
were not testable, JR wrote "I will go along with their decision".
***** herc. We have seen numerous skeptics try to help you test your
claims. Your cooperation has always been forthcoming. Soon. Tomorrow.
You're as confirmed a kook now as any is likely to ever be.
le moo
This puts great weakness in the entire testing mechanism when the skeptics
companies
can choose who they want to test. The only man who has made a decision on
my
presented claims is the same man who featured on A Current Affair,
Australias Current Affairs
show as 'degrading applicants' and 'backing down' and 'not providing
tests' for applicants.
The same man that claims on a formal media release that Australia Skeptic
Society is
*no longer* investigating Fermats Last Theorem along with half dozen other
skeptical interest
topics they may or may not have also being lying about doing any work on.
We all know FLT
was solved in 1995.
http://www.skeptics.com.au/features/press/aca.htm
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE : 20 June 2003
This is a very simple demonstration of paranormal that no psychic
investigator, company
or otherwise has even considered.
Just find some test subjects to see if these posts can be matched to their
author :
----1---------------------------------------------------------------------
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Randi will test you when you properly apply to be tested. Sign up here:
http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html
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It really all depends on the situation.
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If ever I actually found myself in that situation, I'd hold it upright,
with the intent of attacking my assailant's knife hand.
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A cliff86
B Rust 3 attacks metal http://tinyurl.com/nd56
C Shanx
D NormDePloom
E Rich Shewmaker 1 rich showmaker James Randi
http://tinyurl.com/nd52
F CNote
G Jeff
H See You In Hell My Friend. 2 It all depends
http://tinyurl.com/nd53
I Someone
J Greg Neill
atleast one in 100*100*100 chance of these 3 posts on the same day (02
02 2003 (all replies to
me!))
PLUS I forcasted it :
www.tinyurl.com/gutr
PROOF OF GOD 02 02 2002
..preminition..
http://tinyurl.com/nw1r
What the hell...
rec.knives
--
Will Tingle
good for you young man, now while I make a post to rec.knives
I must ask the audience for absolute silence, i.e. don't go there
spouting I'm doing a trick!
Herc
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This is easy to show as being paranormal once you get people to sit the 10
option
3 question test. The answers are trivial, all the names *closely* match
their posts.
If we further tested that even from 100 names the posts can be
consistently guessed
this makes it a 1 in 1,000,000 coincidence, on the day I predicted. NOONE
here
can find 3 replies to them on the same day in google that score 1,000,000
to 1!
By definition its paranormal, the evidence is right before you, the
replies to me all
reflect their name, 3 strong datapoints all on the one day. Skeptic
companies wont
even examine it!
Herc
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| User: "|-|erc" |
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07 Dec 2003 03:52:29 PM |
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"Happy Dog" <happydog@sympatico.ca> wrote in >
To give JR some positive recognition he has returned numerous emails to
me, half
of them reasonably, but because Aus Skeptics had one single man decide my
claims
were not testable, JR wrote "I will go along with their decision".
***** herc. We have seen numerous skeptics try to help you test your
claims. Your cooperation has always been forthcoming. Soon. Tomorrow.
All the test proposals thought up by skeptics here have been
1 / A skeptic acts as intermediary of the medium instead of just using public newsgroups
2 / I have to pass a written 'test' because skeptics don't allow seperate test subjects
to show a correlation that is evident and public.
Just look at the following 3 questions at face value, I've tried to cooperate with
skeptics and their proposals but get very little cooperation back to my side of things.
Usually if I agree to *try* a test even if I am unsure how I will go on the test the
skeptics will end up writing up an affidavit that I failed my own proposal.
You will only ever be able to isolate paranormal if you work *with* the claimants,
you have to allow some room to concentrate on successess, THEN use scientific
method to isolate possible cause. This tryiing to debunk people for a laugh is pathetic
as it is popular.
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Randi will test you when you properly apply to be tested. Sign up here:
http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html
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It really all depends on the situation.
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If ever I actually found myself in that situation, I'd hold it upright,
with the intent of attacking my assailant's knife hand.
-----------------
A cliff86
B Rust
C Shanx
D NormDePloom
E Rich Shewmaker
F CNote
G Jeff
H See You In Hell My Friend.
I Someone
J Greg Neill
ANSWERS
E Rich Shewmaker 1 rich showmaker James Randi http://tinyurl.com/nd52
H See You In Hell My Friend. 2 It all depends http://tinyurl.com/nd53
B Rust 3 attacks metal http://tinyurl.com/nd56
This will prove paranormal to very high significance, certainly enough to warrant
further investigation.
STEP 1 : Give the 3 question test to a random sample of people
STEP 2 : Calculate the significance of the coincidence as a figure (e.g. 1 in 10,000 against
chance)
STEP 3 : Offer to the public to try and defeat the coincidence.
Its no different to rolling a 6 on a dice 10 times running, (although recorded in google)
very high indicator of paranormal.
Herc
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| User: "Happy Dog" |
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07 Dec 2003 04:26:42 PM |
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"|-|erc" <trymyform@wwwadamskingdom.com>
***** herc. We have seen numerous skeptics try to help you test your
claims. Your cooperation has always been forthcoming. Soon. Tomorrow.
All the test proposals thought up by skeptics here have been
1 / A skeptic acts as intermediary of the medium instead of just using
public newsgroups
2 / I have to pass a written 'test' because skeptics don't allow seperate
test subjects
to show a correlation that is evident and public.
*****.
You will only ever be able to isolate paranormal if you work *with* the
claimants,
you have to allow some room to concentrate on successess, THEN use
scientific
method to isolate possible cause. This tryiing to debunk people for a
laugh is pathetic
as it is popular.
Herc, you are the author of your own misfortune. You are unable to simply
make a concise claim and have it tested. Ignoring your failures, as you
subtly suggest above, won't lead to anything but a continuation of your
fantasies.
moo
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| User: "|-|erc" |
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07 Dec 2003 06:49:29 PM |
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"Happy Dog" <happydog@sympatico.ca> wrote
Herc, you are the author of your own misfortune. You are unable to simply
make a concise claim and have it tested.
I found my claim sent with registered mail, judge for yourself.
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Dear Australian Skeptics,
My name is xxx xxx, I would like to demonstrate a
paranormal ability being able to guess peoples names
from what they say, write or do.
Contact: [private]
xxx xxx
Kangaroo House!
27 Enoggera Tce
Red Hill
Brisbane
mobile: xxx xxx (messages)
cheque payable to xxx xxx
EXAMPLE 1
Jenna = Gemma
Avon
this is our only chance Jenna, with Blake and
crew on cygnas alpha we can take the Liberator.
You know with Blake as leader we wont last, he
can't win. With all this wealth we have new
lives.
Jenna
<snip>
Jenna
I'm sorry, this teleport service is not operating.
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<^> <(·¿·)> <^>
Gemma Tiley wrote >
"Andrew Curry" <andrew@curryx.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in
Was that an attempt to create a teleport catchphrasem like Beam me up
scotty?
Hmm . . I don't really get that feeling. Bring us up/back seems quite
a natural phrase to me. As for Avon's um . . little trip into
trekland, I just pretend I didn't hear it. ;o))
_________________________________________________
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EXAMPLE 3
do me a favour dug,
http://www.skeptics.com.au/
contact screen, ask why the commitee is forbiden
to test me,
Great Southern Land
He walks alone
Douglass wrote in
The answer to this question is probably obvious to most of you, but I'm new
here. Should I be blocking all messages from "/Buck7" and "Mr Ules"?
Thanks...
|| Douglass ||
(·¿·)
________________________
Douglass wrote in
I'd rather not. Tell me.
finally, a nice person
ask , ive lost the topic,
skeptics wont pay up, i beat their million to one claim on their website
______________________
Douglass wrote in message ...
Do you claim to have a power and actually go through their test? What is
your power?
basically, 2 particles lightyears apart can be quantum entangled
and influence each other, but not transmit information, i dont
understand it well.
our roles in life and mentality all interact on a quantum level,
basically i can telepath with our sentient earth.
i saw an actress Laurie Holden on tv and said 'i'm gonna marry her',
year later i meet a girl a bit like her with green eyes, well....
adam eve..... perfect 10, herc complex.
fiction, history, people, media, computers have a level of parallels
my claim was to get a question and ask the wolrd for the answer,
but the question was detailed and no information source would
ever say it, but the post i directed them to had a post from
the ghost : newbie questions at the top !!!!
gods first public words in a way.
so i did an information entropy analysis of the response and concluded
considering the question i passed one in a million.
Herc
i honestly think they don't have the money
Understandably a skeptic,
understandable
_________
Douglass wrote in
Are you the same person as /Buck7? If SO, I don't have any idea what your
point is, your text is practically gibberish... no offence. If NOT, what
the hell are you talking about?
|| Douglass ||
rather than other people point it out for you
douglass adams
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EXAMPLE 4
australia skeptic society
invited by peter bowditch bow ditch any more obvious?
james randi ignores me 18 months then sends this
This discussion was terminated. It remains terminated.
James Randi
ran away from my offer, then tells me to die ran-di
______________________________
EXAMPLE 5
Hawk king, pen rose, tiger woods, lady di
Britney Spears ~ cupid
Eg. in the 1st example I made a post about Blake, Avon and Jenna.
I get a reply from a lady, guess what her name is ?
It happens to be Gemma (very close to Jenna), easy enough to guess
from a list of possible names.
That's the formal application with the claim clearly at the top that got :
DONT EVER CONTACT US AGAIN!
Herc
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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07 Dec 2003 07:17:11 PM |
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"Happy Dog" <happydog@sympatico.ca> wrote
Herc, you are the author of your own misfortune. You are unable
to simply make a concise claim and have it tested.
I found my claim sent with registered mail, judge for yourself.
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I don't know what to make of your "claim". What are the "examples"
below?
Let's start off right. You claim to be able to guess someone's name,
right? What would you need in order to demonstrate this claim?
How about this: You and I sit in a room together with a telephone
and a computer. Twenty-five people are randomly chosen, and of
those, a random ten are selected. Each calls our room on the phone,
and reads a block of text selected in advance, and approved by you to
you over the phone. Then you tell us the person's name. Then ten
people are again randomly selected from our twenty-five, and these
ten type a poem they select from a book provided to them for this
purpose. You tell us each person's name.
Got a better idea? Share it.
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Enkidu
hhe1mxo02@sneakemail.com
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Of all things, good sense is the most fairly distributed: everyone
thinks he is so well supplied with it that even those who are the
hardest to satisfy in every other respect never desire more of it
than
they already have.
René Descartes, Discours de la Méthode. 1637.
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| User: "|-|erc" |
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07 Dec 2003 10:09:42 PM |
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I don't know what to make of your "claim". What are the "examples"
below?
More recent examples here, all replies to me on the same day, I said the day
before I was doing a paranormal test in usenet.
E Rich Shewmaker 1 rich showmaker James Randi http://tinyurl.com/nd52
H See You In Hell My Friend. 2 It all depends http://tinyurl.com/nd53
B Rust 3 attacks metal http://tinyurl.com/nd56
Just investigate each link until it clicks what is ODD about all 3 posts!
We're not going anywhere until someone investigates my evidence.
* * * * * * * * *
Let's start off right. You claim to be able to guess someone's name,
right? What would you need in order to demonstrate this claim?
A usenet terminal and someone to analyse the responses, i.e. get
someone to guess the names.
How about this: You and I sit in a room together with a telephone
and a computer. Twenty-five people are randomly chosen, and of
those, a random ten are selected. Each calls our room on the phone,
and reads a block of text selected in advance, and approved by you to
you over the phone. Then you tell us the person's name. Then ten
people are again randomly selected from our twenty-five, and these
ten type a poem they select from a book provided to them for this
purpose. You tell us each person's name.
Got a better idea? Share it.
No the people have to volunteer without knowing their names are controlling
their actions.
I make a post to usenet from the test room.
The computer is removed.
I'm given all the replies without the names on them.
I tell you the name!
Will take a while until I get the name perfect, but if you give me a list
to choose from I'll pick it from 10 names every second go!
Herc
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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07 Dec 2003 10:45:29 PM |
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|-|erc wrote:
I don't know what to make of your "claim". What are the "examples"
below?
More recent examples here, all replies to me on the same day, I said
the day
before I was doing a paranormal test in usenet.
You are not making yourself clear. Just what do you do? Match a usenet
post to the poster's name? And are the people you've corrosponded with, and
could potentially recognize writing styles and vocabularies for? Or are
they people you've never written to or heard from?
Let's start off right. You claim to be able to guess someone's name,
right? What would you need in order to demonstrate this claim?
A usenet terminal and someone to analyse the responses, i.e. get
someone to guess the names.
See above. The details are missing.
How about this: You and I sit in a room together with a telephone
and a computer. Twenty-five people are randomly chosen, and of
those, a random ten are selected. Each calls our room on the phone,
and reads a block of text selected in advance, and approved by you to
you over the phone. Then you tell us the person's name. Then ten
people are again randomly selected from our twenty-five, and these
ten type a poem they select from a book provided to them for this
purpose. You tell us each person's name.
Got a better idea? Share it.
No the people have to volunteer without knowing their names are
controlling their actions.
How do their names control their actions?
I make a post to usenet from the test room.
The computer is removed.
I'm given all the replies without the names on them.
I tell you the name!
People you know by previous encounters or people who respond to a random
post dropped into a random newsgroup? And where are you in the meantime so
we can know you didn't google for the posts in advance of the matching?
Will take a while until I get the name perfect, but if you give me a
list to choose from I'll pick it from 10 names every second go!
I can see why they didn't go for it. Your talent is not clearly defined,
and your proposed test is not either.
I'll tell you what. Here's an email out of my inbox. You tell me who it's
from. I've eliminated names, email addresses, and any other identifying
information, making sure to leave no clues as to the number of letters in
the name. Amaze me.
--------------letter begins-----------------------
Hi *name*,
I was referred to you by *name* (BTSA) for classroom observation. If
at all possible I would like to spend the day at *school* to observe
yourself and a few other teachers on Wednesday 12/10/03. I promise not
to be a burden, and will assist any teacher that needs some help.
I am looking for delivery procedures.
Thank you very much,
My home number is ***-****, *@*.net home e-mail.
*name*
*school*
7th Grade Math
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Enkidu
hhe1mxo02@sneakemail.com
PGP KeyID 0xC5FEABDF
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Of all things, good sense is the most fairly distributed: everyone
thinks he is so well supplied with it that even those who are the
hardest to satisfy in every other respect never desire more of it than
they already have.
René Descartes, Discours de la Méthode. 1637.
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| User: "|-|erc" |
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| Title: Re: james randi a fraud |
07 Dec 2003 11:14:50 PM |
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"Enkidu" > wrote
*name*
*school*
7th Grade Math
en kid u
just wrote about a kid!
amazed yet?
do you think someone could spot your name from a small list by reading your post about this kid?
Herc
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| User: "Wally Anglesea™" |
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07 Dec 2003 11:51:18 PM |
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On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 15:14:50 +1000, "|-|erc"
<trymyform@wwwadamskingdom.com> wrote:
"Enkidu" > wrote
*name*
*school*
7th Grade Math
en kid u
just wrote about a kid!
amazed yet?
No, pretty lame, even for you. Enkidu posted an email that HE
relieved, and eliminated the names. You didn't get the name of the
person that posted the message.
do you think someone could spot your name from a small list by reading your post about this kid?
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Find out about Australia's most dangerous Doomsday Cult:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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07 Dec 2003 11:56:11 PM |
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Wally AngleseaT wrote:
On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 15:14:50 +1000, "|-|erc"
<trymyform@wwwadamskingdom.com> wrote:
"Enkidu" > wrote
*name*
*school*
7th Grade Math
en kid u
just wrote about a kid!
amazed yet?
No, pretty lame, even for you. Enkidu posted an email that HE
relieved, and eliminated the names. You didn't get the name of the
person that posted the message.
Correct.
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Enkidu
hhe1mxo02@sneakemail.com
PGP KeyID 0xC5FEABDF
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Of all things, good sense is the most fairly distributed: everyone
thinks he is so well supplied with it that even those who are the
hardest to satisfy in every other respect never desire more of it than
they already have.
René Descartes, Discours de la Méthode. 1637.
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| User: "|-|erc" |
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07 Dec 2003 11:08:14 PM |
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You are not making yourself clear.
That's because YOU didn't look at my evidence, its futile explaining a black
box to someone over and over.
Now, if you open the links that are my evidence, you would notice X, then you
would make up a scientific explanation for Y, therefore you don't need to
examine any evidence right? Some practice some theory mate, I've heard
it all before.
Just what do you do? Match a usenet
post to the poster's name?
Yes
And are the people you've corrosponded with, and
could potentially recognize writing styles and vocabularies for? Or are
they people you've never written to or heard from?
majority are unknown to me.
Let's start off right. You claim to be able to guess someone's name,
right? What would you need in order to demonstrate this claim?
A usenet terminal and someone to analyse the responses, i.e. get
someone to guess the names.
See above. The details are missing.
Nope, you asked what I needed, that's what I need, a usenet terminal and
someone to guess the names.
How about this: You and I sit in a room together with a telephone
and a computer. Twenty-five people are randomly chosen, and of
those, a random ten are selected. Each calls our room on the phone,
and reads a block of text selected in advance, and approved by you to
you over the phone. Then you tell us the person's name. Then ten
people are again randomly selected from our twenty-five, and these
ten type a poem they select from a book provided to them for this
purpose. You tell us each person's name.
Got a better idea? Share it.
No the people have to volunteer without knowing their names are
controlling their actions.
How do their names control their actions?
Read the JREF conditions, the reason and explanation is not important.
I make a post to usenet from the test room.
The computer is removed.
I'm given all the replies without the names on them.
I tell you the name!
People you know by previous encounters or people who respond to a random
post dropped into a random newsgroup?
Random
And where are you in the meantime so
we can know you didn't google for the posts in advance of the matching?
Under skeptic controlled test in a sealed room like I just said.
Since they refuse I can still do it from home, you can check google yourself
to see the posts match.
Will take a while until I get the name perfect, but if you give me a
list to choose from I'll pick it from 10 names every second go!
I can see why they didn't go for it. Your talent is not clearly defined,
and your proposed test is not either.
That is rediculous to insist a perfect protocol is made on the 1st formal application
with no corrependance either way. go back to skeptic skool.
I'll tell you what. Here's an email out of my inbox. You tell me who it's
from. I've eliminated names, email addresses, and any other identifying
information, making sure to leave no clues as to the number of letters in
the name. Amaze me.
--------------letter begins-----------------------
Hi *name*,
I was referred to you by *name* (BTSA) for classroom observation. If
at all possible I would like to spend the day at *school* to observe
yourself and a few other teachers on Wednesday 12/10/03. I promise not
to be a burden, and will assist any teacher that needs some help.
I am looking for delivery procedures.
Thank you very much,
My home number is ***-****, *@*.net home e-mail.
*name*
*school*
7th Grade Math
---------------letter ends-----------------------
give me 4 options to select from
If you want to converse please tell me you checked the 3 links to google 1st and what
you thought of them.
Herc
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07 Dec 2003 11:53:36 PM |
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Why? Is that how your talent works?
FRIEDA BAUCH
RICHARD KOEBERLEIN
TOM ADEMA
DEBBY FLAM
CEL IBARRA
ANDREA AMES
ANNE MOORE
JAMES FREEMAN
BILL STAPLES
CECILIA FARIAS
give me 4 options to select from
Ten choices. Go for it, no second chances.
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Enkidu
hhe1mxo02@sneakemail.com
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Of all things, good sense is the most fairly distributed: everyone
thinks he is so well supplied with it that even those who are the
hardest to satisfy in every other respect never desire more of it than
they already have.
René Descartes, Discours de la Méthode. 1637.
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08 Dec 2003 01:29:45 AM |
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RICHARD KOEBERLEIN
TOM ADEMA
I get 2 choices since I asked for only 4 options :)
note this is my 1st attempt at someone elses reply so don't get excited.
Herc
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08 Dec 2003 10:06:58 PM |
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|-|erc wrote:
RICHARD KOEBERLEIN
TOM ADEMA
I get 2 choices since I asked for only 4 options :)
note this is my 1st attempt at someone elses reply so don't get
excited. Herc
I never got a response. Time's up, test is a failure.
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Of all things, good sense is the most fairly distributed: everyone
thinks he is so well supplied with it that even those who are the
hardest to satisfy in every other respect never desire more of it than
they already have.
René Descartes, Discours de la Méthode. 1637.
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08 Dec 2003 10:31:57 PM |
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"Enkidu" <hhe1mxo02@sneakemail.com> wrote
|-|erc wrote:
RICHARD KOEBERLEIN
TOM ADEMA
I never got a response. Time's up, test is a failure.
admit it you're impressed I guessed him
Herc
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08 Dec 2003 10:45:49 PM |
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|-|erc wrote:
"Enkidu" <hhe1mxo02@sneakemail.com> wrote
-|erc wrote:
RICHARD KOEBERLEIN
TOM ADEMA
I never got a response. Time's up, test is a failure.
admit it you're impressed I guessed him
Herc
Well, you gave me two names rather than one, which seriously ups your
chances on a lucky hit. However, you are wrong. The correct name is in the
original email below.
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Hi Mark,
I was referred to you by Nancy B*** (BTSA) for classroom observation. If
at all possible I would like to spend the day at H********e to observe
yourself and a few other teachers on Wednesday 12/10/03. I promise not
to be a burden, and will assist any teacher that needs some help.
I am looking for delivery procedures.
Thank you very much,
My home number is 4**-***3, ca*******sn@cox.net home e-mail.
Jim Freeman
CVMS
7th Grade Math
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I've wiped the personal contact information. Otherwise, this is the
message. JAMES FREEMAN is the name you were looking for.
Absolute failure.
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Enkidu
hhe1mxo02@sneakemail.com
PGP KeyID 0xC5FEABDF
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Of all things, good sense is the most fairly distributed: everyone
thinks he is so well supplied with it that even those who are the
hardest to satisfy in every other respect never desire more of it than
they already have.
René Descartes, Discours de la Méthode. 1637.
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09 Dec 2003 01:39:43 PM |
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"Enkidu" <hhe1mxo02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:<PrcBb.17196$yf.17162@fed1read01>...
|-|erc wrote:
"Enkidu" <hhe1mxo02@sneakemail.com> wrote
-|erc wrote:
RICHARD KOEBERLEIN
TOM ADEMA
I never got a response. Time's up, test is a failure.
admit it you're impressed I guessed him
Herc
Well, you gave me two names rather than one, which seriously ups your
chances on a lucky hit. However, you are wrong. The correct name is in the
original email below.
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Hi Mark,
I was referred to you by Nancy B*** (BTSA) for classroom observation. If
at all possible I would like to spend the day at H********e to observe
yourself and a few other teachers on Wednesday 12/10/03. I promise not
to be a burden, and will assist any teacher that needs some help.
I am looking for delivery procedures.
Thank you very much,
My home number is 4**-***3, ca*******sn@cox.net home e-mail.
Jim Freeman
CVMS
7th Grade Math
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I've wiped the personal contact information. Otherwise, this is the
message. JAMES FREEMAN is the name you were looking for.
Absolute failure.
--
Hell. We knew that herc was an absolute failure you have once more
proved the fact... :-)))
It looks as if reading and comprehension were never his strong points
:-)
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09 Dec 2003 02:13:46 PM |
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Herc was just testing you. Obviously, he *would* have guessed James Freeman
if he'd been serious. You failed the test, and will thus not be invited to
Paradise on your mortal demise. Just look at the evidence:
George wrote:
"Enkidu" <hhe1mxo02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:<PrcBb.17196$yf.17162@fed1read01>...
|-|erc wrote:
"Enkidu" <hhe1mxo02@sneakemail.com> wrote
-|erc wrote:
RICHARD KOEBERLEIN
TOM ADEMA
I never got a response. Time's up, test is a failure.
admit it you're impressed I guessed him
Herc
Well, you gave me two names rather than one, which seriously ups your
chances on a lucky hit. However, you are wrong. The correct name is in
the original email below.
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Hi Mark,
I was referred to you by Nancy B*** (BTSA) for classroom observation. If
at all possible I would like to spend the day at H********e to observe
yourself and a few other teachers on Wednesday 12/10/03. I promise not
to be a burden, and will assist any teacher that needs some help.
We already can guess that the message is from a man, but this bit evokes the
idea of someone trying to find when the recipient is "free", so it must be
"Freeman".
I am looking for delivery procedures.
In this line, all by itself, you can find "James". The line starts with 'I',
which is a lot like 'J' in many ways. It then has 'am', and end with 'es'.
How much more obvious can you get?! This line identifies the author as
"James". Herc's paranormal power caused Enkidu to post this.
Thank you very much,
My home number is 4**-***3, ca*******sn@cox.net home e-mail.
Jim Freeman
CVMS
7th Grade Math
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I've wiped the personal contact information. Otherwise, this is the
message. JAMES FREEMAN is the name you were looking for.
Absolute failure.
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Hell. We knew that herc was an absolute failure you have once more
proved the fact... :-)))
It looks as if reading and comprehension were never his strong points
:-)
You're just jealous that you're not The Truman, subject of The Truman Show
and EVERY OTHER MOVIE EVER MADE; the Adam of the Bible; God Himself; and a
host of other interesting characters. You should be glad you aren't,
because then you'd also be tortured constantly for years by major
governments and corporations, as Herc has been.
For the benefit of those in groups other than ROM, I should use an emoticon
or two, but this statement should suffice instead.
(first posting using Knode on RedHat 9, I hope it's configured correctly)
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09 Dec 2003 06:33:40 PM |
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<<post repeated because idiots keep setting the forward on their posts>>
Stop stealing my thunder, now when you can point out exactly where I
agreed to sit a 10 option test then you can celebrate blitheringly in true
skeptic victory style.
Obviously I would have picked out "when are you a free man?' = Freeman
from *4* options like I specified.
no comments on the 3 google links on 02 02 2003 yet! Why? Chicken?
Break the skeptic code to examine past data or something, have to keep
your insults trivial?
E Rich Shewmaker 1 rich showmaker James Randi http://tinyurl.com/nd52
H See You In Hell My Friend. 2 It all depends http://tinyurl.com/nd53
B Rust 3 attacks metal http://tinyurl.com/nd56
These posts have a measurable property that differentiates them from ordiinary posts!
OR NOT?
You're just jealous that you're not The Truman, subject of The Truman Show
and EVERY OTHER MOVIE EVER MADE; the Adam of the Bible; God Himself; and a
host of other interesting characters. You should be glad you aren't,
because then you'd also be tortured constantly for years by major
governments and corporations, as Herc has been.
Atleast I'm not the one rambling without any evidence and ignoring everything else.
http://tinyurl.com/iky5 http://tinyurl.com/iky8 http://tinyurl.com/iky9
http://tinyurl.com/iky4 http://tinyurl.com/rv5f http://tinyurl.com/v1yf
Hey Trueman...love the show. YOU ARE the Truman I heard him.
Very spooky! We're sick of you You rule Truman.
Is the truman is living in Townsville? I've been hearing stuff, yeah.
You are 6 clicks away from believing the Truman Show is true. Go for it!
100,000 witnesses will show you what ignoramus means any time.
notice you're all quiet when I get 4 out of 4 right on a psychic test :
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=PM0003C0B733116D86%40unknown.unknown.dom
From: Malthus (kh@caverock.net.nz)
Subject: Re: All new <<MIND READNG>> online
View: Complete Thread (20 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Date: 2003-06-22 14:43:29 PST
|-|erc wrote:
"Malthus" <kh@caverock.net.nz> wrote in message
|-|erc wrote:
Post up a 2 or 3 answer multi choice question to anything
that only you know and I'll get the answer for you.
If a few people concurr I can read the answer then be easy to
set up some controls after that.
Herc
Yeah, that's transparent enough (for now).
1) Which one of these actually went by his/her first name?
a) My mother
b) my mother-in-law
c) my father-in-law
b
2) of my pets past and present some are cats, some are dogs. Identify
the odd one out:
a) Teddy
b) McConnachie
c) Smokey
a
3) of my pets past and present some are male, some are female. Identify
the odd one out:
a) Teddy
b) McConnachie
c) Smokey
c
4) of the three neighbours bounding my property, two have names starting
with "H". The third lives on which side?
a) south-west
b) north-west
c) north-east
a
Thanks for playing everyone, 2 options just needs more questions,
you're all
used to 50% equalling a pass, and it MIGHT help me concentrate enough
to actually do it, but I spent a bit longer on these ones so make this
my last try.
Herc
Mmmmm-mmmm! Wholesome humble pie!
I could try lying to save face but I have to admit it:
Four out of four right.
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09 Dec 2003 08:19:09 PM |
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On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:33:40 +1000, "|-|erc"
<trymyform@wwwadamskingdom.com> wrote:
<SNIP>
You are 6 clicks away from believing the Truman Show is true. Go for it!
100,000 witnesses will show you what ignoramus means any time.
See, I *told* you he thinks we are all on the "Truman Show".
'The 100,000 is the population of inner Townsville (total population
140,000)
Th
<SNIP>
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Find out about Australia's most dangerous Doomsday Cult:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm
"You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down."
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09 Dec 2003 09:49:41 PM |
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BruceS <nobody@nospam.net> wrote in message news:<_1qBb.5541$_r6.3487@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
:-))
snip
For the benefit of those in groups other than ROM, I should use an emoticon
or two, but this statement should suffice instead.
(first posting using Knode on RedHat 9, I hope it's configured correctly)
works okay here ...........
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09 Dec 2003 10:17:10 PM |
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For the benefit of those in groups other than ROM, I should use an emoticon
or two, but this statement should suffice instead.
(first posting using Knode on RedHat 9, I hope it's configured correctly)
works okay here ...........
<(·¿·)> <^>
here's your f*cking emoticon
Herc
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08 Dec 2003 10:54:55 PM |
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Nice one,
seeing when you are free maybe, still a lot harder on the receiving end I admit
Herc
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www.StealthHostiing.com You rule Truman. http://tinyurl.com/iky4
Hey Trueman...love the show. YOU ARE the Truman I heard him. Very spooky!
Is the truman living in Townsville? I've been hearing stuff, yeah.
Webmasters help the TRUEman by joining www.theBanner.net Current:1 Goal:1000
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"Enkidu" <hhe1mxo02@sneakemail.com> wrote in
|-|erc wrote:
"Enkidu" <hhe1mxo02@sneakemail.com> wrote
-|erc wrote:
RICHARD KOEBERLEIN
TOM ADEMA
I never got a response. Time's up, test is a failure.
admit it you're impressed I guessed him
Herc
Well, you gave me two names rather than one, which seriously ups your
chances on a lucky hit. However, you are wrong. The correct name is in the
original email below.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi Mark,
I was referred to you by Nancy B*** (BTSA) for classroom observation. If
at all possible I would like to spend the day at H********e to observe
yourself and a few other teachers on Wednesday 12/10/03. I promise not
to be a burden, and will assist any teacher that needs some help.
I am looking for delivery procedures.
Thank you very much,
My home number is 4**-***3, ca*******sn@cox.net home e-mail.
Jim Freeman
CVMS
7th Grade Math
------------------------------------------------------------------------
I've wiped the personal contact information. Otherwise, this is the
message. JAMES FREEMAN is the name you were looking for.
Absolute failure.
--
Enkidu
hhe1mxo02@sneakemail.com
PGP KeyID 0xC5FEABDF
-----
Of all things, good sense is the most fairly distributed: everyone
thinks he is so well supplied with it that even those who are the
hardest to satisfy in every other respect never desire more of it than
they already have.
René Descartes, Discours de la Méthode. 1637.
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09 Dec 2003 01:06:33 AM |
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:54:55 +1000, "|-|erc"
<trymyform@wwwadamskingdom.com> wrote:
Nice one,
seeing when you are free maybe, still a lot harder on the receiving end I admit
Herc
Well, what happened to your paranormal powers *THEN*, kook?
--
Find out about Australia's most dangerous Doomsday Cult:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm
"You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down."
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07 Dec 2003 09:15:34 PM |
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Enkidu wrote:
[...]
I don't know what to make of your "claim". What are the "examples"
below?
Let's start off right. You claim to be able to guess someone's
name, right? What would you need in order to demonstrate this
claim?
Enkidu, I applaud your helpful spirit. I'm not sure how familiar
you are with Herc, though. I suggest you check out his posting
history in Google. He seems to remain "|-|erc", as far as I can
tell.
His claim usually gets presented over a period of time, refined
with each new post, like an onion being peeled. I'm going to try
to speed up the process:
-- Herc guesses names.
-- He guesses authors' names from USEnet posts (and possibly
other media).
-- He guesses authors' names from USEnet posts, given the posts
and the names. Well, actually what he does a postdiction, coming
up with links between post content and authors, no matter how
strained. For example, My first name is James and I seem to be
obsessing about his mental health. William *James* was a great
*psychologist*. Ta daaa, obvious link. (He didn't make that one
up, but he's done others even more tenuous.) By the way, these
guesses are only between posting names and posts, not real names.
-- He could assign authors to posts, given both separately. His
claim is the names are evident in the content of the posts. Herc
doesn't do as well at this, so his claim is only statistical: he
can do it better than random...or maybe he can guess with
90% significance 10% of the time, 95% significance 5% of the time,
99% significance 1% of the time, and so on. I'm not sure here. I'm
thinking back to the things he's bragged about. Herc is welcome
to clarify and/or amplify, if he's reading.
-- The posts he can assign authors to are in response to Himself,
Herc. He has various startling theories as to why this may be the
case: He is The Truman, that is, a real-life version of the main
character of "The Truman Show" movie. (He will quote people
agreeing with him.) He is God. He is a progenitor-to-be of the new,
improved version of the human race, a New Adam, and he has a fixed
time-frame within which to find his Eve, and being recognized by
us as Truman/God/Adam is an essential part of the process.
-- The allegedly paranormal event (APE) that Herc wishes to have
tested is not his guessing the links between authors' names and
posts. It is the formation of these links that is the APE. Once
the posts in response to his post have been made, the links should
be evident to any unprejudiced eye. Guessing the link between
name and post just verifies (statistically) the occurence of an APE
that is already over by that time. Unfortunately, in the past, Herc
would conclude from someone guessing wrong that they did not have
an unprejudiced eye.
I do not wish to discourage you, Enkidu. I honestly think Herc needs
help of some kind beyond assistance in his paranormal project. It
may be working with you or someone else on that project is how he
will finally get that help.
But I do want you to understand what you're getting into.
All this information may be incomplete or old or just wrong. I
haven't checked my memories against Google. I am depending on Herc
to defend himself by telling us exactly where I went wrong.
Herc doesn't seem to believe in putting his remarks in any kind of
context. I hope I've given you enough context to understand most
of what he means. That's the main thing I wanted to accomplish.
Yours,
Jim Burns
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07 Dec 2003 10:02:42 PM |
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"Jim Burns" <burns.87@osu.edu> wrote in >
Enkidu wrote:
[...]
I don't know what to make of your "claim". What are the "examples"
below?
Let's start off right. You claim to be able to guess someone's
name, right? What would you need in order to demonstrate this
claim?
Enkidu, I applaud your helpful spirit. I'm not sure how familiar
you are with Herc, though. I suggest you check out his posting
history in Google. He seems to remain "|-|erc", as far as I can
tell.
His claim usually gets presented over a period of time, refined
with each new post, like an onion being peeled. I'm going to try
to speed up the process:
-- Herc guesses names.
-- He guesses authors' names from USEnet posts (and possibly
other media).
-- He guesses authors' names from USEnet posts, given the posts
and the names. Well, actually what he does a postdiction, coming
up with links between post content and authors, no matter how
strained. For example, My first name is James and I seem to be
obsessing about his mental health. William *James* was a great
*psychologist*. Ta daaa, obvious link. (He didn't make that one
up, but he's done others even more tenuous.) By the way, these
guesses are only between posting names and posts, not real names.
-- He could assign authors to posts, given both separately. His
claim is the names are evident in the content of the posts. Herc
doesn't do as well at this, so his claim is only statistical: he
can do it better than random...or maybe he can guess with
90% significance 10% of the time, 95% significance 5% of the time,
99% significance 1% of the time, and so on. I'm not sure here. I'm
thinking back to the things he's bragged about. Herc is welcome
to clarify and/or amplify, if he's reading.
-- The posts he can assign authors to are in response to Himself,
Herc. He has various startling theories as to why this may be the
case: He is The Truman, that is, a real-life version of the main
character of "The Truman Show" movie. (He will quote people
agreeing with him.) He is God. He is a progenitor-to-be of the new,
improved version of the human race, a New Adam, and he has a fixed
time-frame within which to find his Eve, and being recognized by
us as Truman/God/Adam is an essential part of the process.
-- The allegedly paranormal event (APE) that Herc wishes to have
tested is not his guessing the links between authors' names and
posts. It is the formation of these links that is the APE. Once
the posts in response to his post have been made, the links should
be evident to any unprejudiced eye. Guessing the link between
name and post just verifies (statistically) the occurence of an APE
that is already over by that time. Unfortunately, in the past, Herc
would conclude from someone guessing wrong that they did not have
an unprejudiced eye.
I do not wish to discourage you, Enkidu. I honestly think Herc needs
help of some kind beyond assistance in his paranormal project. It
may be working with you or someone else on that project is how he
will finally get that help.
But I do want you to understand what you're getting into.
All this information may be incomplete or old or just wrong. I
haven't checked my memories against Google. I am depending on Herc
to defend himself by telling us exactly where I went wrong.
Herc doesn't seem to believe in putting his remarks in any kind of
context. I hope I've given you enough context to understand most
of what he means. That's the main thing I wanted to accomplish.
burns = condem religion? too long a post to pick that out though
a fair analysis, perhaps the context of the claims is complicated and its
a continuing saga for me which you are probably only getting samples of my
clarification. to me it makes sense, to several people it also makes sense
whether they agree there is an ability or not.
First up, this is obviously unfair to reply to this formal application :
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Dear Australian Skeptics,
My name is xxx xxx, I would like to demonstrate a
paranormal ability being able to guess peoples names
from what they say, write or do.
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with this response :
I told you on the occasion you phoned me that if you seek to be tested by
the Skeptics you must write down, clearly and in detail, what it is you
claim to be able to do
You have made no testable claim to Australian Skeptics and there will be no
further communication from us.
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They've obviously already made their decision not to pool any resources for a test
(which I would say is typical considering their almost non existent test
history and media coverage regarding that).
The web site says the commitee will review all claims, my claim was dismissed by a single
man, one mans decision against a member of the publics claim, and the cascading effect
is JR now refuses to examine my claim. 50 years of skeptic protocol regarding mutual
test conditions, unbiased 3rd party umpires, commitee inspections, judges, media protocols all
down the tube because ANY skeptic in a company can discard ANY claimant.
Check the coverage ACA did on Australia Skeptics :
http://www.skeptics.com.au/features/press/aca.htm
The formal application is the CLAIM, not the test procedure, I made a clear claim that
is easy to establish a test for, I also refute he mentioned necessary detail about the test
on the application when I phoned him, it was more like "lets start again just send in a
written application so we can go from that'.
I'm quite willing to match the names myslef before I have seen the posts, all that is required
is a testing booth where I make posts to usenet then am isolated until I'm given the
replies and authors seperately. But consider this situation. I've scored perfectly 3 days
running I just need to match the final name on day 4. They bring in the reply on one sheet
of paper and the list of possible authors on the other. The reply is :
"BURN IN HELL YOU WITCH". The names on the sheet are :
Jim Burns, Terry Water, Mary Nice, Ray Sunshine. The guy bringing in the test
questions looks at the answers.... what is he thinking? Will I win? Do I really
have to match "I"m glad" to "happy dog" in a booth?
Herc
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"Happy Dog" <happydog@sympatico.ca> wrote in
"|-|erc" <trymyform@wwwadamskingdom.com>
***** herc. We have seen numerous skeptics try to help you test your
claims. Your cooperation has always been forthcoming. Soon. Tomorrow.
All the test proposals thought up by skeptics here have been
1 / A skeptic acts as intermediary of the medium instead of just using
public newsgroups
2 / I have to pass a written 'test' because skeptics don't allow seperate
test subjects
to show a correlation that is evident and public.
*****.
You will only ever be able to isolate paranormal if you work *with* the
claimants,
you have to allow some room to concentrate on successess, THEN use
scientific
method to isolate possible cause. This tryiing to debunk people for a
laugh is pathetic
as it is popular.
Herc, you are the author of your own misfortune. You are unable to simply
make a concise claim and have it tested. Ignoring your failures, as you
subtly suggest above, won't lead to anything but a continuation of your
fantasies.
I put on a formal application to Oz Skeptics
"My claim is : I can guess peoples names"
That is clearly a paranormal and consise claim. That is exactly how I worded
it several times. I happened also to try to give anecdotal examples which gave
him the *excuse* to write :
I told you on the occasion you phoned me that if you seek to be tested by
the Skeptics you must write down, clearly and in detail, what it is you
claim to be able to do. You must understand what these details are, given
that you downloaded them from our web site and forwarded them to me. You
have failed to do this.
THIS IS ANOTHER LIE. I WROTE :
My claim is : I can guess peoples names
All you have done is to send us copies of totally
irrelevant nonsense you have written on the internet. Further, you failed
utterly to respond to the simple preliminary test I offered, preferring to
reply with even more irrelevant postings.
THIS IS ANOTHER LIE :
The preliminary test he gave me was to guess the names, ages and type of
animal of his TEN pets.
Would anyone in their right miind call this a simple test? Simple to formulate maybe,
but simple to pass?
And in actual fact I *did* pass. My claim was to channel an 'in context' response,
not to actually give the answer to the question. I told him the day before to look
at rec.org.mensa, the top post there the next day after his test was by "theghost : newbie
questions".
i.e. the answer I that I responded with was 'those are newbie questions'. the claim (originally)
was to get in context answers from a medium, like asking someone questions you don't
always get the consise answer you may get a related response.
You have made no testable claim to Australian Skeptics and there will be no
further communication from us.
OK so
Step 1 : Skeptic company interprets all claims as you can pass this rediculous impossible test he
makes up off the top of his head.
Step 2 : Applicant makes a clear and consise claim on a formal application : "I can guess peoples
names"
Step 3 : Skeptic ignores the claim and focusses on supplementary material stating
: the claim is not clear or detailed
Step 4 :
You have made no testable claim to Australian Skeptics and there will be no
further communication from us.
To bad I went for consise with examples, he wanted clear with details.
Try to word it differently next lifetime.
Herc
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07 Dec 2003 10:44:53 PM |
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you have to allow some room to concentrate on successess, THEN use
scientific
method to isolate possible cause.
If you do not see the flaw in this, then you will never be convinced
of the falsity of any proposition you make your mind up to believe.
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| User: "|-|erc" |
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07 Dec 2003 11:12:50 PM |
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"lanny budd" <lannybudd@my-deja.com> wrote
you have to allow some room to concentrate on successess, THEN use
scientific
method to isolate possible cause.
If you do not see the flaw in this, then you will never be convinced
of the falsity of any proposition you make your mind up to believe.
ditto
If you establish scientific method before the APE you may miss it.
Anythiing that is repeatable can have scientific method applied at any time.
Did you check these 3 posts, have a look and see if you can put in words something
particular about them.
E Rich Shewmaker 1 rich showmaker James Randi http://tinyurl.com/nd52
H See You In Hell My Friend. 2 It all depends http://tinyurl.com/nd53
B Rust 3 attacks metal http://tinyurl.com/nd56
If you have no scientific abililty or skills as a skeptic then you would not consider to
first mutually establish my claim would you? you would just ignore this evidence.
Herc
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| User: "lanny budd" |
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08 Dec 2003 03:22:09 PM |
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"|-|erc" <trymyform@wwwadamskingdom.com> wrote in message news:<dHTAb.113$xX3.3483@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au>...
"lanny budd" <lannybudd@my-deja.com> wrote
you have to allow some room to concentrate on successess, THEN use
scientific
method to isolate possible cause.
If you do not see the flaw in this, then you will never be convinced
of the falsity of any proposition you make your mind up to believe.
ditto
If you establish scientific method before the APE you may miss it.
Anythiing that is repeatable can have scientific method applied at any time.
Did you check these 3 posts, have a look and see if you can put in words something
particular about them.
E Rich Shewmaker 1 rich showmaker James Randi http://tinyurl.com/nd52
H See You In Hell My Friend. 2 It all depends http://tinyurl.com/nd53
B Rust 3 attacks metal http://tinyurl.com/nd56
If you have no scientific abililty or skills as a skeptic then you would not consider to
first mutually establish my claim would you? you would just ignore this evidence.
Herc
Ignore evidence? You are the one who wants to "concentrate on
successes". That sounds to me like ignoring the failures. When I bet
on football games, I am 100% correct - if I am allowed to ignore the
failures.
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