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Re: Japanese space shot |
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:48:25 -0700, "MosZibby" <APATHY@ATJ> wrote in message
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"Nellie Rumery" <slrnmr@adelphia.net> wrote in message
Why did the weatherman have to report the first manned Japanese space
shot? There was a little nip in the air
Semi sorta on topic.
Was talking to a neighbor--Marge is 83--and space flight
was brought up. She said she remembered when Sputnik
orbited. All the kids in the neighborhood went outside to
look at it. Then, just in case the Russians were looking, the
kids flipped it the finger.
losing is a *****, innit?
btw Beagle 2 (UK Mars probe) will hopefully touch down on Mars on Dec 25
2003. it's mission is to search for life. be a ***** if the Brits discover
life on Mars, huh, considering that NASA has lost most of its Mars probes?
and by 2015 China aims to have a man on the Moon and establish a moon base.
The Chinese intend launching a space station before that and by 2020 the EU
hopes to land a man on Mars.
I wonder if NASA can pull anything out of the hat to compete with these
space initiatives?
Next year we could see the first private company to put a 3 man spaceship
into space and win the X prize of $10 million. If SpaceShipOne is
successful, space tourism could become within the reach of the ordinary
person. You wouldn't need to pony up $20 million for a couple of days in the
ISS.
QUESTION: how much would you be prepared to spend to experience a couple of
hours in space orbiting our planet?
Demand for this would be phenomenal, I imagine. Realistically speaking a
price of about US$10 000 should be targeted.
But I'd love to experience walking on the moon, even if only for a few
hours, like the Apollo astronauts did.
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| User: "Craig S." |
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23 Dec 2003 07:20:48 PM |
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"Beagle 2" <mars.lander@mars.base> wrote in message
news:h5nhuvggrttnutbnb9dh63i1j4o6d9nohf@4ax.com...
QUESTION: how much would you be prepared to spend to experience a couple
of
hours in space orbiting our planet?
Demand for this would be phenomenal, I imagine. Realistically speaking a
price of about US$10 000 should be targeted.
That sounds cheap. I've seen adventure trips aboard icebreakers to the
north pole that go for $15,000 and up - and you never leave the atmosphere.
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| User: "Moon traveller no 1" |
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24 Dec 2003 02:37:03 PM |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:20:48 -0500, "Craig S." <cspurlock@charter.net> wrote
in message <vuhqfbd6haue13@corp.supernews.com>:
"Beagle 2" <mars.lander@mars.base> wrote in message
QUESTION: how much would you be prepared to spend to experience a couple
of hours in space orbiting our planet?
Demand for this would be phenomenal, I imagine. Realistically speaking a
price of about US$10 000 should be targeted.
That sounds cheap. I've seen adventure trips aboard icebreakers to the
north pole that go for $15,000 and up - and you never leave the atmosphere.
true, there are much more expensive holidays.
I just read a newspaper article today which says that experiences make
people happier than owning possessions.
I'm not sure how long your icebreaker trip is, but I would imagine at least
3 days, perhaps more.
we're talking about a few orbits around the earth which lasts perhaps 2 - 3
hours. at the moment, getting someone into space is very costly and hence
only 2 private persons to date have been able and willing to fork over $20
million for the experience.
when people consider the various options, they want an experience with
duration. they are not concerned about the costs of putting them into space,
that's not their problem. they are concerned with how much time they are
going to have to experience the adventure. if it only lasts a few hours,
hardly anyone is going to be willing to hand over much more than about $10
000 in my opinion.
consider that there are plenty of individuals who are completely able to
afford $20 million, but none of them have enrolled to venture to the ISS.
the reason is patently obvious - it's a lot of money to spend for very
little.
If 3 days aboard the ISS in orbit cost $100 000, I am confident that there
would be a very long waiting list.
there very definitely is a huge untapped market for space tourism. any
company which develops the ability to put men and women into orbit cheaply
is going to rake in the dollars overnight.
holidays to a moon base, will most likely rate as the most sought after
excursion ever.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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24 Dec 2003 11:55:26 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Wed, 24 Dec 2003 02:56:32 +0200, a stranger
called by some "Beagle 2" <mars.lander@mars.base> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
losing is a *****, innit?
btw Beagle 2 (UK Mars probe) will hopefully touch down on Mars on Dec 25
2003. it's mission is to search for life. be a ***** if the Brits discover
life on Mars, huh, considering that NASA has lost most of its Mars probes?
Most? Hardly.
A Beagle 2 will land on Mars only 27 years after Vikings 1 and 2 did
the same thing.. and the stationary Beagle will be followed closely by
two American rovers. And the first man-made objects to leave the
solar system? American. First probes to visit the outer planets?
American. Frist probes to land on Venus? Soviet. We'll be sending a
probe into Titan's atmosphere in a short time as well, along with the
planned launch of a probe to Pluto and Charon.
and by 2015 China aims to have a man on the Moon and establish a moon base.
The Chinese intend launching a space station before that and by 2020 the EU
hopes to land a man on Mars.
I wonder if NASA can pull anything out of the hat to compete with these
space initiatives?
Other than the only reusable spacecraft in history? And the first
manned mission to the Moon? Everybody remembers Columbus.. who was
the second guy to reach America?
Next year we could see the first private company to put a 3 man spaceship
into space and win the X prize of $10 million. If SpaceShipOne is
successful, space tourism could become within the reach of the ordinary
person. You wouldn't need to pony up $20 million for a couple of days in the
ISS.
One can only hope.
QUESTION: how much would you be prepared to spend to experience a couple of
hours in space orbiting our planet?
Demand for this would be phenomenal, I imagine. Realistically speaking a
price of about US$10 000 should be targeted.
That's per kilogram, right? :)
But I'd love to experience walking on the moon, even if only for a few
hours, like the Apollo astronauts did.
Moi Aussi.
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Man on the moon" |
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25 Dec 2003 04:19:10 PM |
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On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:55:26 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
<tkukuv0cveva6bmce8qqav9aj8vm2vlsbr@4ax.com>:
Lo, many moons past, on Wed, 24 Dec 2003 02:56:32 +0200, a stranger
called by some "Beagle 2" <mars.lander@mars.base> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
losing is a *****, innit?
btw Beagle 2 (UK Mars probe) will hopefully touch down on Mars on Dec 25
2003. it's mission is to search for life. be a ***** if the Brits discover
life on Mars, huh, considering that NASA has lost most of its Mars probes?
Most? Hardly.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3344693.stm
"Despite more than 30 missions launched to the Red Planet since the 1960s,
only three landers have reached the Martian surface successfully after a 400
million kilometre (250 million miles) journey."
and by 2015 China aims to have a man on the Moon and establish a moon base.
The Chinese intend launching a space station before that and by 2020 the EU
hopes to land a man on Mars.
I wonder if NASA can pull anything out of the hat to compete with these
space initiatives?
Other than the only reusable spacecraft in history?
i'm not a fan of the shuttle.
And the first manned mission to the Moon?
It would be nice if America was still _able_ to do that. But right now, NASA
is _incapable_ of sending anything (let alone a man / woman) to the moon.
There are some who doubt that the Apollo missions actually did achieve that
goal. It's not as if we can obtain direct physical confirmation of it now.
We have no spacecraft in orbit around the moon sending back pictures of the
Apollo landing sites.
30+ years on and we have gone backwards from 1969. We should have had a
permanent base on the moon for over 2 decades already.
However, America has preferred to spend its money on making war.
Everybody remembers Columbus.. who was the second guy to reach America?
the Indians got there first. Columbus was just the first white European man
to find it. In South Africa, we no longer view history through a "whites
only" perspective. It's quite a racist outlook you have there.
It is possible that Vikings found it before Columbus and before them,
Eqyptians.
if you recall, Thor Heyerdahl proved that it could be done.
Next year we could see the first private company to put a 3 man spaceship
into space and win the X prize of $10 million. If SpaceShipOne is
successful, space tourism could become within the reach of the ordinary
person. You wouldn't need to pony up $20 million for a couple of days in the
ISS.
One can only hope.
I am rooting for them. They amaze me. Just recently (December 2003) I read
an article about their exploits. They became the first private company to
break the sound barrier ever, without government assistance.
All they are doing right now is spending money on R & D.
That's the thing with space - you need deep pockets and an unshakeable faith
that your efforts will be rewarded.
I believe that they will win the X-prize next year. I hope that they will
become the first private company to offer the public the opportunity to
experience earth orbits.
That's not the first goal, though. All they aim to do is reach space (100km
altitude), experience a few seconds of weightlessness at the apogee and then
descend.
I would imagine that they are just as ambitious as China, in that they will
be looking to reach the Moon as soon as they are able.
QUESTION: how much would you be prepared to spend to experience a couple of
hours in space orbiting our planet?
Demand for this would be phenomenal, I imagine. Realistically speaking a
price of about US$10 000 should be targeted.
That's per kilogram, right? :)
Beagle 2 is valued at $62 million. it weighs 68kg. it has travelled 400
million kilometres, taking 6 months to do so.
i'm not sure how much it would cost to insert a 70kg person into orbit for a
few hours and then bring them down safely.
I know it doesn't cost $20 million. The Russians were able to charge that
because they had zero competition (NASA is not prepared to ferry members of
the public).
It most likely does not even cost $10 million. I would imagine that Dennis
Tito and Mark Shuttleworth's trips each cost the Russians around $2 million.
And that was for a few days in orbit.
So I'm confident that a few orbits could be brought down rapidly to below
$100 000. From there it becomes feasible to target $10 000.
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| User: "Keith E." |
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25 Dec 2003 09:03:08 PM |
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Fri, 26 Dec 2003 00:19:10 +0200 was a day just like any other,
until "Man on the moon" <around@the.sun.one.more.time> wrote:
i'm not sure how much it would cost to insert a 70kg person into orbit for a
few hours and then bring them down safely.
I know it doesn't cost $20 million. The Russians were able to charge that
because they had zero competition (NASA is not prepared to ferry members of
the public).
It most likely does not even cost $10 million. I would imagine that Dennis
Tito and Mark Shuttleworth's trips each cost the Russians around $2 million.
And that was for a few days in orbit.
So I'm confident that a few orbits could be brought down rapidly to below
$100 000. From there it becomes feasible to target $10 000.
No, you aren't considering costs correctly. A launch and return
to earth are gonna cost shitloads more than the time just
orbiting the planet, and those costs don't decrease just because
you're taking the three hour cruise, Professor.
--
Keith E.
Excrementum casus
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| User: "Scab" |
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25 Dec 2003 11:32:43 PM |
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Keith E., parrot in training, pecked out
news:f50dfa2191521c3889e6d8ec1927d194@news.1usenet.com on Thu 25 Dec
2003 08:03:08p:
Fri, 26 Dec 2003 00:19:10 +0200 was a day just like any other,
until "Man on the moon" <around@the.sun.one.more.time> wrote:
i'm not sure how much it would cost to insert a 70kg person into orbit
for a few hours and then bring them down safely.
I know it doesn't cost $20 million. The Russians were able to charge
that because they had zero competition (NASA is not prepared to ferry
members of the public).
It most likely does not even cost $10 million. I would imagine that
Dennis Tito and Mark Shuttleworth's trips each cost the Russians
around $2 million.
And that was for a few days in orbit.
So I'm confident that a few orbits could be brought down rapidly to
below $100 000. From there it becomes feasible to target $10 000.
No, you aren't considering costs correctly. A launch and return
to earth are gonna cost shitloads more than the time just
orbiting the planet, and those costs don't decrease just because
you're taking the three hour cruise, Professor.
I've always wondered why they couldn't develop a "spacecraft" that would
take off like a regular airplane and gradually climb out of the
atmosphere. It doesn't sound like rocket science.
--
Scab
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| User: "Scab" |
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27 Dec 2003 12:38:53 AM |
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Metric man, parrot in training, pecked out
news:t5ppuvkmilet24den3f7taeh22726s1993@4ax.com on Fri 26 Dec 2003
07:05:42p:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:52:46 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
<t48ouvcjdlo1qc7h5rkr4b9cfkfq1uee3g@4ax.com>:
Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 26 Dec 2003 05:32:43 GMT, a stranger
called by some Scab <s_bauer69OUT@hotmail.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
I've always wondered why they couldn't develop a "spacecraft" that
would take off like a regular airplane and gradually climb out of the
atmosphere. It doesn't sound like rocket science.
that's what they hope to achieve with scramjet.
I heard they're using Muslim test pilots.
It's rocket engineering.
You have to reach escape velocity; which for Earth is 25,000 miles per
hour.
40 000 km/h. metric please.
if American scientists all made a decision to only speak in metric, it
would save you a lot of trouble and perhaps convince America to make
the necessary switch to metric.
As long as the rest of the world switches to English.
That speed will take incredible amounts of fuel. The prospect
of a gradual increase of speed is beyoj d the realm of possibility at
this time.
a scramjet uses oxygen from the atmosphere so that saves a lot of
launch weight.
Interesting concept but, the higher one goes, the less oxygen is
available. There may yet be a use for all those senior citizens wheeling
around oxygen tanks.
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Scab
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| User: "ÑðS-|-MÐ" |
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29 Dec 2003 06:48:14 AM |
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Keith E., wasting several more cubic feet of our planet's precious
oxygen, hurled 26 lines of bandwidth-murdering idiocy into
alt.tasteless.jokes on Fri, 26 Dec 2003 03:03:08 GMT with this little
gem.. <f50dfa2191521c3889e6d8ec1927d194@news.1usenet.com>:
Fri, 26 Dec 2003 00:19:10 +0200 was a day just like any other,
until "Man on the moon" <around@the.sun.one.more.time> wrote:
i'm not sure how much it would cost to insert a 70kg person into orbit for a
few hours and then bring them down safely.
I know it doesn't cost $20 million. The Russians were able to charge that
because they had zero competition (NASA is not prepared to ferry members of
the public).
It most likely does not even cost $10 million. I would imagine that Dennis
Tito and Mark Shuttleworth's trips each cost the Russians around $2 million.
And that was for a few days in orbit.
So I'm confident that a few orbits could be brought down rapidly to below
$100 000. From there it becomes feasible to target $10 000.
No, you aren't considering costs correctly. A launch and return
to earth are gonna cost shitloads more than the time just
orbiting the planet, and those costs don't decrease just because
you're taking the three hour cruise, Professor.
welcome back
...and a fractional share program w/no hourly fees would fix that
problem
MÐ
Frequent lock-ups are a symptom of not enough memory in the same
way nosebleeds are a symptom of gunshot wounds to the head..
"'good'?!? ..she can suck a red-giant through a pipette!"
"It's unjustified and illogical to massage data and
direct observation in such a manner as to force
reality to conform to a mathematical premis..
...Einstein's a fuckin' moron"
Whoever has an army has power.. and war decides everything
--Mao Tse-Tung
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26 Dec 2003 08:05:37 PM |
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On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 03:03:08 GMT, Keith E. <i.m.knot@aol.com> wrote in
message <f50dfa2191521c3889e6d8ec1927d194@news.1usenet.com>:
Fri, 26 Dec 2003 00:19:10 +0200 was a day just like any other,
until "Man on the moon" <around@the.sun.one.more.time> wrote:
i'm not sure how much it would cost to insert a 70kg person into orbit for a
few hours and then bring them down safely.
I know it doesn't cost $20 million. The Russians were able to charge that
because they had zero competition (NASA is not prepared to ferry members of
the public).
It most likely does not even cost $10 million. I would imagine that Dennis
Tito and Mark Shuttleworth's trips each cost the Russians around $2 million.
And that was for a few days in orbit.
So I'm confident that a few orbits could be brought down rapidly to below
$100 000. From there it becomes feasible to target $10 000.
No, you aren't considering costs correctly. A launch and return
to earth are gonna cost shitloads more than the time just
orbiting the planet, and those costs don't decrease just because
you're taking the three hour cruise, Professor.
yes, the main costs are getting into orbit.
there is some hope that a new jet engine technology (scramjet) will
considerably reduce launch costs.
however, we don't have that technology yet.
--
Adolf Hitler
Der Führer
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| User: "MosZibby APATHY@ATJ" |
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27 Dec 2003 11:37:01 AM |
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"Scramjet" <scram@jet.com> wrote in message
news:vuopuvoj12o1gt4s0mak9rtfkh224jeogr@4ax.com...
On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 03:03:08 GMT, Keith E. <i.m.knot@aol.com> wrote in
message <f50dfa2191521c3889e6d8ec1927d194@news.1usenet.com>:
Fri, 26 Dec 2003 00:19:10 +0200 was a day just like any other,
until "Man on the moon" <around@the.sun.one.more.time> wrote:
i'm not sure how much it would cost to insert a 70kg person into orbit
for a
few hours and then bring them down safely.
I know it doesn't cost $20 million. The Russians were able to charge
that
because they had zero competition (NASA is not prepared to ferry members
of
the public).
It most likely does not even cost $10 million. I would imagine that
Dennis
Tito and Mark Shuttleworth's trips each cost the Russians around $2
million.
And that was for a few days in orbit.
So I'm confident that a few orbits could be brought down rapidly to
below
$100 000. From there it becomes feasible to target $10 000.
No, you aren't considering costs correctly. A launch and return
to earth are gonna cost shitloads more than the time just
orbiting the planet, and those costs don't decrease just because
you're taking the three hour cruise, Professor.
yes, the main costs are getting into orbit.
there is some hope that a new jet engine technology (scramjet) will
considerably reduce launch costs.
however, we don't have that technology yet.
Too bad they can't come up with something that generates
a gravity well in front of the ship. It would pull it self along.
Oh, and if they do invent it, remember, I mentioned it here.
--
Adolf Hitler
Der Führer
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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27 Dec 2003 09:15:56 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:37:01 -0700, a stranger
called by some "MosZibby" <APATHY@ATJ> came forth and told this tale
in alt.atheism
Too bad they can't come up with something that generates
a gravity well in front of the ship. It would pull it self along.
Oh, and if they do invent it, remember, I mentioned it here.
After about 12 SF authors I can think of. The last one I can recall
clearly is David Weber in _The Apocolypse Troll_.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Douglas D. Anderson" |
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27 Dec 2003 09:27:04 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:qlisuv0nlgir8j4jcajnjfclmcqf4kuq9e@4ax.com...
Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:37:01 -0700, a stranger
called by some "MosZibby" <APATHY@ATJ> came forth and told this tale
in alt.atheism
Too bad they can't come up with something that generates
a gravity well in front of the ship. It would pull it self along.
Oh, and if they do invent it, remember, I mentioned it here.
After about 12 SF authors I can think of. The last one I can recall
clearly is David Weber in _The Apocolypse Troll_.
We've got one of them in atj, i.e., an apocalypse troll, Max Destroyer...
but he hasn't posted in some time.
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| User: "ÑðS-|-MÐ" |
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29 Dec 2003 06:49:32 AM |
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Douglas D. Anderson, wasting several more cubic feet of our planet's
precious oxygen, hurled 19 lines of bandwidth-murdering idiocy into
alt.tasteless.jokes on Sun, 28 Dec 2003 03:27:04 GMT with this little
gem.. <c4sHb.2626$q55.2236@twister.nyroc.rr.com>:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:qlisuv0nlgir8j4jcajnjfclmcqf4kuq9e@4ax.com...
Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:37:01 -0700, a stranger
called by some "MosZibby" <APATHY@ATJ> came forth and told this tale
in alt.atheism
Too bad they can't come up with something that generates
a gravity well in front of the ship. It would pull it self along.
Oh, and if they do invent it, remember, I mentioned it here.
After about 12 SF authors I can think of. The last one I can recall
clearly is David Weber in _The Apocolypse Troll_.
We've got one of them in atj, i.e., an apocalypse troll, Max Destroyer...
but he hasn't posted in some time.
'apocalypse troll'.. I like that
Happy New Year!
MÐ
Frequent lock-ups are a symptom of not enough memory in the same
way nosebleeds are a symptom of gunshot wounds to the head..
"'good'?!? ..she can suck a red-giant through a pipette!"
"It's unjustified and illogical to massage data and
direct observation in such a manner as to force
reality to conform to a mathematical premis..
...Einstein's a fuckin' moron"
Whoever has an army has power.. and war decides everything
--Mao Tse-Tung
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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25 Dec 2003 08:54:52 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 26 Dec 2003 00:19:10 +0200, a stranger
called by some "Man on the moon" <around@the.sun.one.more.time> came
forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:55:26 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
Most? Hardly.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3344693.stm
"Despite more than 30 missions launched to the Red Planet since the 1960s,
only three landers have reached the Martian surface successfully after a 400
million kilometre (250 million miles) journey."
Except only a hadful were design to land. Most were orbiters. Nicely
phrased there. Had we sent 30 landers, he might have had a point.
Mariner 3, U.S., 11/5/64, Mars flyby, shroud failed to jettison
Mariner 4, U.S. 11/28/64, first successful Mars flyby 7/14/65,
returned 21 photos
Mariner 6, U.S., 2/24/69, Mars flyby 7/31/69, returned 75 photos
Mariner 7, U.S., 3/27/69, Mars flyby 8/5/69, returned 126 photos
Mariner 8, U.S., 5/8/71, Mars orbiter, failed during launch
Mariner 9, U.S., 5/30/71, Mars orbiter, in orbit 11/13/71 to 10/27/72,
returned 7,329 photos
Viking 1, U.S., 8/20/75, Mars orbiter/lander, orbit 6/19/76-1980,
lander 7/20/76-1982
Viking 2, U.S., 9/9/75, Mars orbiter/lander, orbit 8/7/76-1987, lander
9/3/76-1980; combined, the Viking orbiters and landers returned
50,000+ photos
Mars Observer, U.S., 9/25/92, lost just before Mars arrival 8/21/93
Mars Global Surveyor, U.S., 11/7/96, Mars orbiter, arrived 9/12/97,
high-detail mapping through 1/00, now conducting second extended
mission through fall 2004
Mars Pathfinder, U.S., 12/4/96, Mars lander and rover, landed 7/4/97,
last transmission 9/27/97
Mars Climate Orbiter, U.S., 12/11/98, lost upon arrival 9/23/99
Mars Polar Lander/Deep Space 2, U.S., 1/3/99, lander and soil probes,
lost on arrival 12/3/99
Mars Odyssey, U.S., 3/7/01, Mars orbiter, arrived 10/24/01, currently
conducting prime mission studying global composition, ground ice,
thermal imaging
I count 13 US missions, with four failures. Of the four landers we've
sent, *one* has failed. A 75% success rate is pretty damn good when
we're trying to land robots on Mars.
Other than the only reusable spacecraft in history?
i'm not a fan of the shuttle.
I never would have guessed. It remains the first one of it's kind.
And I've seen them both launch and land. Amazing piece of technology,
which no one is even trying to match.
And the first manned mission to the Moon?
It would be nice if America was still _able_ to do that. But right now, NASA
is _incapable_ of sending anything (let alone a man / woman) to the moon.
Wrong. Have you fogotten Clementine?
http://www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil/clementine/clementine.html
There are some who doubt that the Apollo missions actually did achieve that
goal. It's not as if we can obtain direct physical confirmation of it now.
We have no spacecraft in orbit around the moon sending back pictures of the
Apollo landing sites.
Actually, we do send signals to the Moon.. right to the laser ranging
array set up by the Apollo crew.
And you want pictures?
http://www.tass-survey.org/richmond/answers/lunar_lander.html
30+ years on and we have gone backwards from 1969. We should have had a
permanent base on the moon for over 2 decades already.
Congress killed the funding. As simple as that.
However, America has preferred to spend its money on making war.
America bashing! Why am i just shiocked at this!
Reality check: The funding for Apollo was cut in 1971.. making Apollo
17 the last miussion, as opposed to 20. At that point, we were
withdrawing from Vietnam. The next major action the US military took
part in was Grenada in 1983.. and that was almost a joke. Panama in
1989 was a minor blip. 20 years after the funding cuts, you have
Desert Storm.
Everybody remembers Columbus.. who was the second guy to reach America?
the Indians got there first. Columbus was just the first white European man
to find it. In South Africa, we no longer view history through a "whites
only" perspective. It's quite a racist outlook you have there.
Nice try. In contemporary history, who remembers who got here from
Europe first.
South Africa? Y'all are going to have to wait a few decades before
getting on your high horses about racism with anybody.
It is possible that Vikings found it before Columbus and before them,
Eqyptians.
We know that Leif Ericson got here first, we've found the settlement.
The Egyptian theory is full of holes.
if you recall, Thor Heyerdahl proved that it could be done.
No, he proved that the Polynesians could migrate as already sea-faring
peoples. The Egyptians were a river people.. The Phonecians were the
sea traders of the bronze age.
That's the thing with space - you need deep pockets and an unshakeable faith
that your efforts will be rewarded.
I believe that they will win the X-prize next year. I hope that they will
become the first private company to offer the public the opportunity to
experience earth orbits.
That's not the first goal, though. All they aim to do is reach space (100km
altitude), experience a few seconds of weightlessness at the apogee and then
descend.
You can do that on a Cessana, provided the wings are reinforced.
Check this link:
http://www.space.com/peopleinterviews/yaniec_991020.html
The film Apollo 13 was filmed on this bird.. watch the DVD with a
stopwatch. No single shot in space lasts more than about 20 seconds.
Demand for this would be phenomenal, I imagine. Realistically speaking a
price of about US$10 000 should be targeted.
That's per kilogram, right? :)
Beagle 2 is valued at $62 million. it weighs 68kg. it has travelled 400
million kilometres, taking 6 months to do so.
It also doesn't need oxygen, a sealed environment, or heating. And
that's the cost of the probe. Lifting objects into orbit is the hard
part. Once you're in orbit, you're halfway to anywhere.
i'm not sure how much it would cost to insert a 70kg person into orbit for a
few hours and then bring them down safely.
Currently, several hundred thousand dollars if you ride with the
Russians. On the shuttle, getting into orbit would cost about 2
million bucks. Once you're up, staying there is just a matter of
battery life and consumables.
I know it doesn't cost $20 million. The Russians were able to charge that
because they had zero competition (NASA is not prepared to ferry members of
the public).
They charged that because it was the only funding they were getting at
the time for the space program.
It most likely does not even cost $10 million. I would imagine that Dennis
Tito and Mark Shuttleworth's trips each cost the Russians around $2 million.
And that was for a few days in orbit.
Yup. Nice profit margin, which helped keep the Russians going for a
few more months.
So I'm confident that a few orbits could be brought down rapidly to below
$100 000. From there it becomes feasible to target $10 000.
As soon as you get a cheap SSTO built, you'll be there. Or a skyhook.
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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26 Dec 2003 08:10:03 PM |
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On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 02:54:52 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
<hu6nuv40uva9tgcjaim42tlbt14gqdv750@4ax.com>:
Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 26 Dec 2003 00:19:10 +0200, a stranger
called by some "Man on the moon" <around@the.sun.one.more.time> came
forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:55:26 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
Most? Hardly.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3344693.stm
"Despite more than 30 missions launched to the Red Planet since the 1960s,
only three landers have reached the Martian surface successfully after a 400
million kilometre (250 million miles) journey."
Except only a hadful were design to land. Most were orbiters. Nicely
phrased there. Had we sent 30 landers, he might have had a point.
[...]
I count 13 US missions, with four failures. Of the four landers we've
sent, *one* has failed. A 75% success rate is pretty damn good when
we're trying to land robots on Mars.
most Mars missions have been failures, whether they were designed to land or
not, so much so that scientists talk of a Galatic Ghoul.
Other than the only reusable spacecraft in history?
i'm not a fan of the shuttle.
I never would have guessed. It remains the first one of it's kind.
And I've seen them both launch and land. Amazing piece of technology,
which no one is even trying to match.
the shuttle is fatally flawed. better luck with yer next one.
Everybody remembers Columbus.. who was the second guy to reach America?
the Indians got there first. Columbus was just the first white European man
to find it. In South Africa, we no longer view history through a "whites
only" perspective. It's quite a racist outlook you have there.
Nice try. In contemporary history, who remembers who got here from
Europe first.
because you say so.
South Africa? Y'all are going to have to wait a few decades before
getting on your high horses about racism with anybody.
not at all. America is a racially troubled nation.
That's the thing with space - you need deep pockets and an unshakeable faith
that your efforts will be rewarded.
I believe that they will win the X-prize next year. I hope that they will
become the first private company to offer the public the opportunity to
experience earth orbits.
That's not the first goal, though. All they aim to do is reach space (100km
altitude), experience a few seconds of weightlessness at the apogee and then
descend.
You can do that on a Cessana, provided the wings are reinforced.
sure.
i'm not sure how much it would cost to insert a 70kg person into orbit for a
few hours and then bring them down safely.
Currently, several hundred thousand dollars if you ride with the
Russians. On the shuttle, getting into orbit would cost about 2
million bucks.
well that option is currently not available. better if it stay that way.
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Der Führer
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27 Dec 2003 11:19:34 AM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 27 Dec 2003 04:10:03 +0200, a stranger
called by some "Pretty man" <fart.in.the.wind@buttocks.com> came
forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 02:54:52 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
I count 13 US missions, with four failures. Of the four landers we've
sent, *one* has failed. A 75% success rate is pretty damn good when
we're trying to land robots on Mars.
most Mars missions have been failures, whether they were designed to land or
not, so much so that scientists talk of a Galatic Ghoul.
Yup. But the mjority of failures were Soviet. Considering what we
know about their space program, I'm not suprised.
And I've seen them both launch and land. Amazing piece of technology,
which no one is even trying to match.
the shuttle is fatally flawed. better luck with yer next one.
At least we're working on one.
Nice try. In contemporary history, who remembers who got here from
Europe first.
because you say so.
Because history says so.
South Africa? Y'all are going to have to wait a few decades before
getting on your high horses about racism with anybody.
not at all. America is a racially troubled nation.
Right.We only imposed a white-minority government on a native black
population and used terror, enforced poverty, and police-state tactics
to stay in power.
We have problems, yes. But y'all were monsters.
i'm not sure how much it would cost to insert a 70kg person into orbit for a
few hours and then bring them down safely.
Currently, several hundred thousand dollars if you ride with the
Russians. On the shuttle, getting into orbit would cost about 2
million bucks.
well that option is currently not available. better if it stay that way.
Um, the Russian boosters blow up more often than the Shuttle does.
I guess you just hate America. I've seen it before.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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27 Dec 2003 09:29:44 PM |
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On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 17:19:34 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
<bhfruvko8jcsb6js1b45577focd0q79hq7@4ax.com>:
Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 27 Dec 2003 04:10:03 +0200, a stranger
called by some "Pretty man" <fart.in.the.wind@buttocks.com> came
forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 02:54:52 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
I count 13 US missions, with four failures. Of the four landers we've
sent, *one* has failed. A 75% success rate is pretty damn good when
we're trying to land robots on Mars.
most Mars missions have been failures, whether they were designed to land or
not, so much so that scientists talk of a Galatic Ghoul.
Yup. But the mjority of failures were Soviet.
damn, but yer waving yer American flag hard.
can you be any less patriotic? or is that impossible for an American?
Considering what we know about their space program, I'm not suprised.
it's superior to America's.
And I've seen them both launch and land. Amazing piece of technology,
which no one is even trying to match.
the shuttle is fatally flawed. better luck with yer next one.
At least we're working on one.
you have no funds allocated to producing a new one. you cannot even
adequately maintain your current fleet.
not only is the shuttle itself fatally flawed, but the entire shuttle
program. that's not even "just my opinion" it's the opinion of the CAIB.
Nice try. In contemporary history, who remembers who got here from
Europe first.
because you say so.
Because history says so.
what is history? do you believe in absolutes? i don't. history varies
according to whose perspective you view it from.
i have stated that you view history from a whites only European perspective.
i noted that that is a racist way of viewing the world.
no, history does not state any of the sort.
Columbus was definitely not the first PERSON to discover America.
South Africa? Y'all are going to have to wait a few decades before
getting on your high horses about racism with anybody.
not at all. America is a racially troubled nation.
Right.We only imposed a white-minority government on a native black
population and used terror, enforced poverty, and police-state tactics
to stay in power.
We have problems, yes. But y'all were monsters.
lose the attitude, china. you have no moral superiority.
i'm not sure how much it would cost to insert a 70kg person into orbit for a
few hours and then bring them down safely.
Currently, several hundred thousand dollars if you ride with the
Russians. On the shuttle, getting into orbit would cost about 2
million bucks.
well that option is currently not available. better if it stay that way.
Um, the Russian boosters blow up more often than the Shuttle does.
how many people have the Russians lost?
I guess you just hate America. I've seen it before.
you've got an almighty chip on yer shoulder. you'd best lose it if you want
to see things as they are.
I'm not about to suck up to America just because you want me to say only
nice things about it.
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Adolf Hitler
Der Führer
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28 Dec 2003 11:25:04 AM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Sun, 28 Dec 2003 05:29:44 +0200, a stranger
called by some "unAmerican is now a crime"
<according.to@americans.com> came forth and told this tale in
alt.atheism
On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 17:19:34 GMT, Douglas Berry
most Mars missions have been failures, whether they were designed to land or
not, so much so that scientists talk of a Galatic Ghoul.
Yup. But the mjority of failures were Soviet.
damn, but yer waving yer American flag hard.
No, I'm stating a fact. Do you have a problem with facts? Most of
the Soviet probes to Mars failed. On the other hand, they've done
very well with Venus. Many missions; some of which sent probes the
surface..
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/venera.html
can you be any less patriotic? or is that impossible for an American?
I;'m proud of my home. Aren't you?
Considering what we know about their space program, I'm not suprised.
it's superior to America's.
Now that's laughable. How many Russians walked on the Moon? How many
Russian probes have been to the gas giants? How many flights has the
Russian shuttle made? (They were building one, you know.)
At least we're working on one.
you have no funds allocated to producing a new one. you cannot even
adequately maintain your current fleet.
No, we are funding the SSTO program.
not only is the shuttle itself fatally flawed, but the entire shuttle
program. that's not even "just my opinion" it's the opinion of the CAIB.
But still, it flies. To paraphrase Galileo. Speaking of which, that
program just ended, and it provided years of duty around Jupiter.
Cassini will soon do the same for Saturn.
Meanwhile, Beagle 2, all 2 feet of it, remains silent. Pity that.
Because history says so.
what is history? do you believe in absolutes? i don't. history varies
according to whose perspective you view it from.
True enough. And the first European exploraer who made a recorded
visit to the Americas was Chritibol Colon. He made three voyages
here. Who came second?
i have stated that you view history from a whites only European perspective.
i noted that that is a racist way of viewing the world.
Why are you assuming I'm white? For all you know, I could be black,
Asian, a mixture, or a hyper intelligent German Sheppard typing on his
owner's computer while he's outside raking the leaves!
no, history does not state any of the sort.
Columbus was definitely not the first PERSON to discover America.
First one to accurately document the fact.
Right.We only imposed a white-minority government on a native black
population and used terror, enforced poverty, and police-state tactics
to stay in power.
We have problems, yes. But y'all were monsters.
lose the attitude, china. you have no moral superiority.
Now I'm chinese? How many decades was Martin Luther King held in
prison? When was Jesse Jackson beaten to death by the FBI? Friend, I
spent much of my youth making damn sure South Africa was an
international pariah. It seems to have worked.
Um, the Russian boosters blow up more often than the Shuttle does.
how many people have the Russians lost?
Counting ground crew, several hundred. In flight, 9.
I guess you just hate America. I've seen it before.
you've got an almighty chip on yer shoulder. you'd best lose it if you want
to see things as they are.
I'm not about to suck up to America just because you want me to say only
nice things about it.
I want you to admit facts about the space program. The Soviets got a
good head start on us. Then Sergei Pavlovich Korolev died, and they
lost that lead to the Americans.
Did we use Nazi scientists? Damn straight.. so did the Soviets. Was
the Moon race a bloody progoganda race rather than good science?
True. We did get some excellent science out of it though. Did the
Soviets have the first permantly manned space station. Yup. Was it a
piece of crap? Yup. Was Skylab a piece of crap? Yup.
Is the Beagle 2 DOA? Probably.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Douglas D. Anderson" |
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28 Dec 2003 11:54:52 AM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:tg3uuvco6v3vm327400dt361doldbigkgu@4ax.com...
Lo, many moons past, on Sun, 28 Dec 2003 05:29:44 +0200, a stranger
called by some "unAmerican is now a crime"
<according.to@americans.com> came forth and told this tale in
alt.atheism
On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 17:19:34 GMT, Douglas Berry
most Mars missions have been failures, whether they were designed to land or
not, so much so that scientists talk of a Galatic Ghoul.
Yup. But the mjority of failures were Soviet.
damn, but yer waving yer American flag hard.
No, I'm stating a fact. Do you have a problem with facts? Most of
the Soviet probes to Mars failed. On the other hand, they've done
very well with Venus. Many missions; some of which sent probes the
surface..
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/venera.html
Relying on memory only, without bothering to re-research this, I recall that
one of the early probes to Venus missed by about 2000 miles, because the
Soviets were using insufficiently accurate American generated ephemeral
data, which happened to be far better than their own. Computers in those
days were huge clunkers which took hours and days to perform calculations
the average desktop PC can now do in seconds far more accurately.
can you be any less patriotic? or is that impossible for an American?
I;'m proud of my home. Aren't you?
Considering what we know about their space program, I'm not suprised.
it's superior to America's.
Now that's laughable. How many Russians walked on the Moon? How many
Russian probes have been to the gas giants? How many flights has the
Russian shuttle made? (They were building one, you know.)
At least we're working on one.
you have no funds allocated to producing a new one. you cannot even
adequately maintain your current fleet.
No, we are funding the SSTO program.
not only is the shuttle itself fatally flawed, but the entire shuttle
program. that's not even "just my opinion" it's the opinion of the CAIB.
But still, it flies. To paraphrase Galileo. Speaking of which, that
program just ended, and it provided years of duty around Jupiter.
Cassini will soon do the same for Saturn.
Meanwhile, Beagle 2, all 2 feet of it, remains silent. Pity that.
Because history says so.
what is history? do you believe in absolutes? i don't. history varies
according to whose perspective you view it from.
True enough. And the first European exploraer who made a recorded
visit to the Americas was Chritibol Colon. He made three voyages
here. Who came second?
i have stated that you view history from a whites only European perspective.
i noted that that is a racist way of viewing the world.
Why are you assuming I'm white? For all you know, I could be black,
Asian, a mixture, or a hyper intelligent German Sheppard typing on his
owner's computer while he's outside raking the leaves!
no, history does not state any of the sort.
Columbus was definitely not the first PERSON to discover America.
First one to accurately document the fact.
Right.We only imposed a white-minority government on a native black
population and used terror, enforced poverty, and police-state tactics
to stay in power.
We have problems, yes. But y'all were monsters.
lose the attitude, china. you have no moral superiority.
Now I'm chinese? How many decades was Martin Luther King held in
prison? When was Jesse Jackson beaten to death by the FBI? Friend, I
spent much of my youth making damn sure South Africa was an
international pariah. It seems to have worked.
Um, the Russian boosters blow up more often than the Shuttle does.
how many people have the Russians lost?
Counting ground crew, several hundred. In flight, 9.
I guess you just hate America. I've seen it before.
you've got an almighty chip on yer shoulder. you'd best lose it if you want
to see things as they are.
I'm not about to suck up to America just because you want me to say only
nice things about it.
I want you to admit facts about the space program. The Soviets got a
good head start on us. Then Sergei Pavlovich Korolev died, and they
lost that lead to the Americans.
Did we use Nazi scientists? Damn straight.. so did the Soviets. Was
the Moon race a bloody progoganda race rather than good science?
True. We did get some excellent science out of it though. Did the
Soviets have the first permantly manned space station. Yup. Was it a
piece of crap? Yup. Was Skylab a piece of crap? Yup.
Is the Beagle 2 DOA? Probably.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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29 Dec 2003 11:20:43 AM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:54:52 GMT, a stranger
called by some "Douglas D. Anderson" <dda@rr.rochester.com> came
forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/venera.html
Relying on memory only, without bothering to re-research this, I recall that
one of the early probes to Venus missed by about 2000 miles, because the
Soviets were using insufficiently accurate American generated ephemeral
data, which happened to be far better than their own. Computers in those
days were huge clunkers which took hours and days to perform calculations
the average desktop PC can now do in seconds far more accurately.
Nod. The Soviets and the US had some really bad errors and failures
in the first few tries before we got orbital mechanics down to an
artform. Now we play cosmic billards, fling probes around the inner
system to gain speed.
Ireceived a new Palm Pilot for a Winter Gift, and while reading the
ficumentation, I was suddenly struck by the fact that I had twice as
much computing power in my hand as the Apollo astronauts had to get to
the Moon and back.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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29 Dec 2003 01:14:46 PM |
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Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:20:43 GMT was a day just like any other,
until Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Ireceived a new Palm Pilot for a Winter Gift, and while reading the
ficumentation, I was suddenly struck by the fact that I had twice as
much computing power in my hand as the Apollo astronauts had to get to
the Moon and back.
There's _gotta_ be a masturbation joke in there...
--
Keith E.
Excrementum casus
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30 Dec 2003 04:58:45 AM |
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Keith E., wasting several more cubic feet of our planet's precious
oxygen, hurled 13 lines of bandwidth-murdering idiocy into
alt.tasteless.jokes on Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:14:46 GMT with this little
gem.. <fbc65dab37f51adefc2e7ed706eb69e4@news.1usenet.com>:
Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:20:43 GMT was a day just like any other,
until Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Ireceived a new Palm Pilot for a Winter Gift, and while reading the
ficumentation, I was suddenly struck by the fact that I had twice as
much computing power in my hand as the Apollo astronauts had to get to
the Moon and back.
There's _gotta_ be a masturbation joke in there...
not really.. he loves everyone besides himself
MÐ
Frequent lock-ups are a symptom of not enough memory in the same
way nosebleeds are a symptom of gunshot wounds to the head..
"'good'?!? ..she can suck a red-giant through a pipette!"
"It's unjustified and illogical to massage data and
direct observation in such a manner as to force
reality to conform to a mathematical premis..
...Einstein's a fuckin' moron"
Whoever has an army has power.. and war decides everything
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29 Dec 2003 02:23:50 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:14:46 GMT, a stranger
called by some Keith E. <i.m.knot@aol.com> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism
Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:20:43 GMT was a day just like any other,
until Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Ireceived a new Palm Pilot for a Winter Gift, and while reading the
ficumentation, I was suddenly struck by the fact that I had twice as
much computing power in my hand as the Apollo astronauts had to get to
the Moon and back.
There's _gotta_ be a masturbation joke in there...
I once wondered if I load porn onto a handheld computer, would I grow
hair on my Palm?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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28 Dec 2003 11:44:17 AM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
True enough. And the first European exploraer who made a recorded
visit to the Americas was Chritibol Colon. He made three voyages
here. Who came second?
Leif Eriksson'd be surprised to hear this. So would Snorri who
recorded the visit.
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Kai
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room."
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| User: "Douglas D. Anderson" |
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| Title: Re: Japanese space shot |
28 Dec 2003 12:10:16 PM |
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"Kai" <soberon@nospamo.luukku.com> wrote
Douglas Berry wrote:
True enough. And the first European exploraer who made a recorded
visit to the Americas was Chritibol Colon. He made three voyages
here. Who came second?
Leif Eriksson'd be surprised to hear this. So would Snorri who
recorded the visit.
Certain Irish writers believe St. Brendan discovered America c. 500 AD,
the certainty of which increases in direct proportion to the number of pints.
Then they begin to imagine great Irish monasteries were built along the
Atlantic coast, cut directly from the stone and decorated in deep relief with
mysterious ancient Irish figures and characters, Druidic in nature, and long
since lost because of the Sassanachs.
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| User: "Kai" |
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| Title: Re: Japanese space shot |
28 Dec 2003 11:57:28 AM |
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Kai wrote:
Douglas Berry wrote:
True enough. And the first European exploraer who made a recorded
visit to the Americas was Chritibol Colon. He made three voyages
here. Who came second?
Leif Eriksson'd be surprised to hear this. So would Snorri who recorded
the visit.
A correction: Snorri did not write Eirik's Saga, or the Greenlanders'
Saga that describe Leif the Lucky's trips to Vinland. But someone did.
--
Kai
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room."
- President Merkin Muffley -
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Japanese space shot |
29 Dec 2003 11:17:39 AM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Sun, 28 Dec 2003 19:44:17 +0200, a stranger
called by some Kai <soberon@nospamo.luukku.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
Douglas Berry wrote:
True enough. And the first European exploraer who made a recorded
visit to the Americas was Chritibol Colon. He made three voyages
here. Who came second?
Leif Eriksson'd be surprised to hear this. So would Snorri who
recorded the visit.
St. Brednsan, Hsu and Hsi.. there are all sorts of might haves that
predated Columbus' first voyage.
Until we found the winter camp in Nova Scotia, Columbus was the first
documented trip.
I noticed you snipped everything I wrote about the space programs.
Why?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Kai" |
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| Title: Re: Japanese space shot |
29 Dec 2003 11:48:20 AM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Sun, 28 Dec 2003 19:44:17 +0200, a stranger
called by some Kai <soberon@nospamo.luukku.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
Douglas Berry wrote:
True enough. And the first European exploraer who made a recorded
visit to the Americas was Chritibol Colon. He made three voyages
here. Who came second?
Leif Eriksson'd be surprised to hear this. So would Snorri who
recorded the visit.
St. Brednsan, Hsu and Hsi.. there are all sorts of might haves that
predated Columbus' first voyage.
Until we found the winter camp in Nova Scotia, Columbus was the first
documented trip.
We're living post Nova Scotia excavation era, right? Besides, Leif's
trip was documented way before Columbus'.
I noticed you snipped everything I wrote about the space programs.
Why?
I didn't have anything to say about the space programs. It was all
ballast to me so I snipped it.
--
Kai
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room."
- President Merkin Muffley -
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| User: "ÑðS-|-MÐ" |
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| Title: Re: Japanese space shot |
30 Dec 2003 04:58:36 AM |
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Douglas Berry, wasting several more cubic feet of our planet's
precious oxygen, hurled 31 lines of bandwidth-murdering idiocy into
alt.tasteless.jokes on Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:17:39 GMT with this little
gem.. <0bo0vv8vjb7q70du1os4gjldl0bgm2emav@4ax.com>:
Lo, many moons past, on Sun, 28 Dec 2003 19:44:17 +0200, a stranger
called by some Kai <soberon@nospamo.luukku.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
Douglas Berry wrote:
True enough. And the first European exploraer who made a recorded
visit to the Americas was Chritibol Colon. He made three voyages
here. Who came second?
Leif Eriksson'd be surprised to hear this. So would Snorri who
recorded the visit.
St. Brednsan, Hsu and Hsi.. there are all sorts of might haves that
predated Columbus' first voyage.
Until we found the winter camp in Nova Scotia, Columbus was the first
documented trip.
I noticed you snipped everything I wrote about the space programs.
Why?
...he's bipolar
MÐ
Frequent lock-ups are a symptom of not enough memory in the same
way nosebleeds are a symptom of gunshot wounds to the head..
"'good'?!? ..she can suck a red-giant through a pipette!"
"It's unjustified and illogical to massage data and
direct observation in such a manner as to force
reality to conform to a mathematical premis..
...Einstein's a fuckin' moron"
Whoever has an army has power.. and war decides everything
--Mao Tse-Tung
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| User: "No facts" |
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| Title: Re: Japanese space shot |
28 Dec 2003 05:17:53 PM |
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On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:25:04 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
<tg3uuvco6v3vm327400dt361doldbigkgu@4ax.com>:
Lo, many moons past, on Sun, 28 Dec 2003 05:29:44 +0200, a stranger
called by some "unAmerican is now a crime"
<according.to@americans.com> came forth and told this tale in
can you be any less patriotic? or is that impossible for an American?
I;'m proud of my home. Aren't you?
sure. but Americans are blindly patriotic. sickenly so.
not only is the shuttle itself fatally flawed, but the entire shuttle
program. that's not even "just my opinion" it's the opinion of the CAIB.
But still, it flies.
no shuttle has been launched since Columbia disintegrated over Palestine,
Texas.
Meanwhile, Beagle 2, all 2 feet of it, remains silent. Pity that.
yeah, it's too bad.
Now I'm chinese? How many decades was Martin Luther King held in
prison?
shot by an American white man.
When was Jesse Jackson beaten to death by the FBI? Friend, I
spent much of my youth making damn sure South Africa was an
international pariah. It seems to have worked.
all that work and you still have no facts or insight into South Africa.
you don't know what it's like to live here and you never will.
--
Adolf Hitler
Der Führer
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