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24 Feb 2005 05:38:51 AM |
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Re: Jefferson's General Religion. |
"Mark S." <mshapiro2@nospam_adelphia.net> wrote:
:|..... Thomas Jefferson believed that religion was private, "solely between man and his God." For our national life he recommended simply a "general religion" of "peace, reason, and morality." Today his benign hope is eluding us.
Would you mind citing where Jefferson recommended a "general religion" for
our national life?
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:|The first amendment prohibits our government from imposing an official religion or preventing any citizen from worshipping according to his beliefs. Jefferson saw this "wall of separation between Church and State" as a safeguard against the "ceaseless strife" of religious intolerance that "soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries." That bloody legacy explains why Washington opposed "any species of religious persecution." It's why Madison regarded the "distinction between Religion and Civil Government as essential to the purity of both." ....
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:|Read all of Poor Elijah's (Peter Berger) guest commentary on religion in school and public life at:
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:|http://irascibleprofessor.com/comments-02-24-05.htm
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If I get a chance today I will post it here and address it.
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: Jefferson's General Religion. |
24 Feb 2005 08:43:39 AM |
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<buckeye-ELO@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:66fr11lue5g929ocfs4aq53rot9dvl0fsr@4ax.com...
"Mark S." <mshapiro2@nospam_adelphia.net> wrote:
:|..... Thomas Jefferson believed that religion was private, "solely
between man and his God." For our national life he recommended simply a
"general religion" of "peace, reason, and morality." Today his benign hope
is eluding us.
Would you mind citing where Jefferson recommended a "general religion"
for
our national life?
'General religion of peace, reason and morality.' Don't fire up the fundies
with a misstatement.
http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1370.htm
"After stating the constitutional reasons against a public establishment of
any religious instruction, we suggest the expediency of encouraging the
different religious sects to establish, each for itself, a professorship of
their own tenets on the confines of the university, so near as that their
students may attend the lectures there and have the free use of our library
and every other accommodation we can give them; preserving, however, their
independence of us and of each other. This fills the chasm objected to ours,
as a defect in an institution professing to give instruction in all useful
sciences... And by bringing the sects together, and mixing them with the
mass of other students, we shall soften their asperities, liberalize and
neutralize their prejudices, and make the general religion a religion of
peace, reason, and morality."
--Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 1822. ME 15:405
It was within the context of education. If you go to the site, search the
page for "religion." There is a very interesting quote above the one I've
included in this message.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Jefferson's General Religion. |
28 Feb 2005 06:02:37 AM |
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"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw3.com> wrote:
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:|<buckeye-ELO@nospam.net> wrote in message
:|news:66fr11lue5g929ocfs4aq53rot9dvl0fsr@4ax.com...
:|> "Mark S." <mshapiro2@nospam_adelphia.net> wrote:
:|>
:|> >:|..... Thomas Jefferson believed that religion was private, "solely
:|between man and his God." For our national life he recommended simply a
:|"general religion" of "peace, reason, and morality." Today his benign hope
:|is eluding us.
:|>
:|>
:|> Would you mind citing where Jefferson recommended a "general religion"
:|for
:|> our national life?
:|
:|'General religion of peace, reason and morality.' Don't fire up the fundies
:|with a misstatement.
I don't care if "fundies" get fired up or not. Why should anyone?
:|
:|http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1370.htm
:|
:|"After stating the constitutional reasons against a public establishment of
:|any religious instruction, we suggest the expediency of encouraging the
:|different religious sects to establish, each for itself, a professorship of
:|their own tenets on the confines of the university, so near as that their
:|students may attend the lectures there and have the free use of our library
:|and every other accommodation we can give them; preserving, however, their
:|independence of us and of each other. This fills the chasm objected to ours,
:|as a defect in an institution professing to give instruction in all useful
:|sciences... And by bringing the sects together, and mixing them with the
:|mass of other students, we shall soften their asperities, liberalize and
:|neutralize their prejudices, and make the general religion a religion of
:|peace, reason, and morality."
:|
:|--Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 1822. ME 15:405
:|
:|It was within the context of education. If you go to the site, search the
:|page for "religion." There is a very interesting quote above the one I've
:|included in this message.
Duh, the original statement I replied to was
:| For our national life he recommended simply a
:|"general religion" of "peace, reason, and morality."
my question was and still is where did he suggest this for a "national
life"
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| User: "Mark S." |
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| Title: Re: Jefferson's General Religion. |
24 Feb 2005 09:13:56 AM |
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Yes....
Please read the article.
Dr. S.
"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw3.com> wrote in message
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<buckeye-ELO@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:66fr11lue5g929ocfs4aq53rot9dvl0fsr@4ax.com...
"Mark S." <mshapiro2@nospam_adelphia.net> wrote:
:|..... Thomas Jefferson believed that religion was private, "solely
between man and his God." For our national life he recommended simply a
"general religion" of "peace, reason, and morality." Today his benign
hope
is eluding us.
Would you mind citing where Jefferson recommended a "general religion"
for
our national life?
'General religion of peace, reason and morality.' Don't fire up the
fundies
with a misstatement.
http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1370.htm
"After stating the constitutional reasons against a public establishment
of
any religious instruction, we suggest the expediency of encouraging the
different religious sects to establish, each for itself, a professorship
of
their own tenets on the confines of the university, so near as that their
students may attend the lectures there and have the free use of our
library
and every other accommodation we can give them; preserving, however, their
independence of us and of each other. This fills the chasm objected to
ours,
as a defect in an institution professing to give instruction in all useful
sciences... And by bringing the sects together, and mixing them with the
mass of other students, we shall soften their asperities, liberalize and
neutralize their prejudices, and make the general religion a religion of
peace, reason, and morality."
--Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 1822. ME 15:405
It was within the context of education. If you go to the site, search the
page for "religion." There is a very interesting quote above the one I've
included in this message.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
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