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26 Nov 2004 10:01:22 AM |
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Re: Jesus was a loser and a coward |
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:46:36 -0500, Jeffrey Turner <jturner@localnet.com>
wrote in message <10qc6jvd8acpo57@corp.supernews.com>:
Fletis Humplebacker wrote:
But Jesus was not against self defense either, he told his disciples
to buy swords, did you know that?
Cite?
--Jeff
look it up yourself, you lazy *****.
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| User: "GP of ATJ" |
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26 Nov 2004 11:18:09 AM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.fag.com> wrote in message
news:plkeq09gq66t1danr80snu80ar580sjlmp@4ax.com...
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:46:36 -0500, Jeffrey Turner <jturner@localnet.com>
wrote in message <10qc6jvd8acpo57@corp.supernews.com>:
Fletis Humplebacker wrote:
But Jesus was not against self defense either, he told his disciples
to buy swords, did you know that?
Cite?
--Jeff
look it up yourself, you lazy *****.
why don't you try and get away from your comic books fag boy?
After having their 11th child, an Alabama couple decided that was enough.
So the husband went to his doctor and told him that he and his wife/cousin
did not want to have any more children.
The doctor told him that there was a procedure called a vasectomy that could
fix the problem.
The doctor instructed him to go home, get a cherry bomb (big firework),
light it, put it in a beer can, then hold the can up to his ear and count to
10.
The Alabamian said to the doctor, 'I may not be the smartest man, but I
don't see how putting a cherry bomb in a beer can next to my ear is going to
help me.'
So the couple drove across the state border into Georgia to get a second
opinion.
The Georgia physician was just about to tell them about the procedure for a
vasectomy when he noticed that they were from Alabama.
The doctor instead told the man to go home and get a cherry bomb, light it,
place it in a beer can, hold it to his ear and count to 10.
Figuring that both learned physicians couldn't be wrong, the man went home,
lit a cherry bomb and put it in a beer can.
He held the can up to his ear and began to count '1, 2, 3, 4, 5...' at which
point he paused, placed the beer can between his legs and resumed counting
on his other hand.
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smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
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| User: "Jeffrey Turner" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus was a loser and a coward |
26 Nov 2004 03:34:08 PM |
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Mel wrote:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:46:36 -0500, Jeffrey Turner <jturner@localnet.com>
wrote in message <10qc6jvd8acpo57@corp.supernews.com>:
Fletis Humplebacker wrote:
But Jesus was not against self defense either, he told his disciples
to buy swords, did you know that?
Cite?
--Jeff
look it up yourself, you lazy *****.
I didn't think you knew anything about the Bible or anything
else. If you can't back up your assertions, they aren't worth
the electrons they're printed on.
--Jeff
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It is only those who have neither
fired a shot nor heard the shrieks
and groans of the wounded who cry
aloud for blood, more vengeance, more
desolation. War is hell.
--William Tecumseh Sherman
Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls
the pain of stupidity.
--Frank William Leahy
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| User: ".impervious" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus was a loser and a coward |
26 Nov 2004 06:28:12 PM |
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In news:10qf8ah70bkq51@corp.supernews.com,
Jeffrey Turner attempted to impart some wisdom, instead sputtering:
: Mel wrote:
:: On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:46:36 -0500, Jeffrey Turner
:: <jturner@localnet.com> wrote in message
:: <10qc6jvd8acpo57@corp.supernews.com>:
::: Fletis Humplebacker wrote:
:::
:::: But Jesus was not against self defense either, he told his
:::: disciples to buy swords, did you know that?
:::
::: Cite?
::: --Jeff
::
::
:: look it up yourself, you lazy *****.
:
: I didn't think you knew anything about the Bible or anything
: else. If you can't back up your assertions, they aren't worth
: the electrons they're printed on.
:
: --Jeff
oh, it's in there, all right - another example of the self-contradictory
nature of any "magic" tome... Luke 22:36 is where you'll find it.
however, the passage refers to a time after Jesus told his followers
that the bad guys were coming to kill him, and that they would kill all
of them, too. self-contradiction is actually at a minimum here,
although the disciples wouldn't have thought that. he was warning them
that bad times were coming, but they thought he meant that he was going
to lead them into a fight, and be the avenging Messiah they hoped for...
when they told him "we have two swords already!" he replied, "that's
enough," to end their talk of violent actions.
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"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid, it is true
that most stupid people are conservative."
- John Stuart Mill
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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26 Nov 2004 11:38:56 PM |
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"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid, it is true
that most stupid people are conservative."
- John Stuart Mill
That broke me up...too bad it's true.
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| User: "Douglas D. Anderson" |
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27 Nov 2004 09:47:48 AM |
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"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote
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"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid, it is true
that most stupid people are conservative."
- John Stuart Mill
That broke me up...too bad it's true.
Did Mill say that during or following his mental breakdown when he was in his
twenties, or following his failed political career when he was not re-elected after
one term in Parliament?
Btw- can anyone establish the source of that supposed quote or otherwise prove
that it is a hoax? Mill was not a "liberal" but a Benthamite, a philosophy supposing
that the only motives of all behaviour are pleasure seeking and pain avoidance. It
would thus seem that even if he had made such a remark, it was not to advocate
the liberal view, as might seem the case in the simplistic "black and white" thinking
of modern pseudo-intellectuals.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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27 Nov 2004 10:35:18 AM |
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"Douglas D. Anderson" <dda@rr.rochester.com> wrote in message
news:Ek1qd.26707$AL5.2644@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote
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"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid, it is true
that most stupid people are conservative."
- John Stuart Mill
That broke me up...too bad it's true.
Did Mill say that during or following his mental breakdown when he was in
his
twenties, or following his failed political career when he was not
re-elected after
one term in Parliament?
argumentum ad hominem
Btw- can anyone establish the source of that supposed quote or otherwise
prove
that it is a hoax? Mill was not a "liberal" but a Benthamite, a philosophy
supposing
that the only motives of all behaviour are pleasure seeking and pain
avoidance. It
would thus seem that even if he had made such a remark, it was not to
advocate
the liberal view, as might seem the case in the simplistic "black and
white" thinking
of modern pseudo-intellectuals.
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| User: "Douglas D. Anderson" |
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27 Nov 2004 11:19:49 AM |
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"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote
"Douglas D. Anderson" <dda@rr.rochester.com> wrote in message
news:Ek1qd.26707$AL5.2644@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote
--
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid, it is true
that most stupid people are conservative."
- John Stuart Mill
That broke me up...too bad it's true.
Did Mill say that during or following his mental breakdown when he was in
his
twenties, or following his failed political career when he was not
re-elected after
one term in Parliament?
argumentum ad hominem
Not true, because I am not questioning the validity or non-validity of the
statement, which is obviously preposterous, but rather questioning whether
Mill actually said that, and impeaching the lack of substantiation allowed
by the thousand and some internet posters who have freely accepted that
as a quote from Mill without having examined the source. The statement itself
is obviously nonsense, and I am suggesting that as a Benthamite, if Mill had
indeed said that his motive for doing so was the seeking of pleasure and
avoiding the pain of his own experience of being a failure.
Btw- can anyone establish the source of that supposed quote or otherwise
prove
that it is a hoax? Mill was not a "liberal" but a Benthamite, a philosophy
supposing
that the only motives of all behaviour are pleasure seeking and pain
avoidance. It
would thus seem that even if he had made such a remark, it was not to
advocate
the liberal view, as might seem the case in the simplistic "black and
white" thinking
of modern pseudo-intellectuals.
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| User: "nenslo" |
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28 Nov 2004 04:45:14 PM |
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"Douglas D. Anderson" wrote:
"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote
"Douglas D. Anderson" <dda@rr.rochester.com> wrote in message
news:Ek1qd.26707$AL5.2644@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote
--
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid, it is true
that most stupid people are conservative."
- John Stuart Mill
That broke me up...too bad it's true.
Did Mill say that during or following his mental breakdown when he was in
his
twenties, or following his failed political career when he was not
re-elected after
one term in Parliament?
argumentum ad hominem
Not true, because I am not questioning the validity or non-validity of the
statement, which is obviously preposterous, but rather questioning whether
Mill actually said that, and impeaching the lack of substantiation allowed
In fact, in the statement quoted above, there is absolutely nothing
questioning whether he actually said it, but rather only claims of his
mental breakdown and personal failure.
by the thousand and some internet posters who have freely accepted that
as a quote from Mill without having examined the source. The statement itself
is obviously nonsense, and I am suggesting that as a Benthamite, if Mill had
indeed said that his motive for doing so was the seeking of pleasure and
avoiding the pain of his own experience of being a failure.
Hmm... after reading this I find myself beginning to agree with you.
The statement that not all conservatives are stupid is, as you say,
obviously nonsense. I agree that all conservatives are stupid. Happy now?
I find your attribution of motives highly original and imaginative.
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| User: ".impervious" |
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27 Nov 2004 05:37:15 PM |
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In news:VG2qd.21341$1u.17525@twister.nyroc.rr.com,
Douglas D. Anderson attempted to impart some wisdom, instead sputtering:
: Not true, because I am not questioning the validity or non-validity
: of the statement, which is obviously preposterous, but rather
: questioning whether Mill actually said that, and impeaching the lack
: of substantiation allowed by the thousand and some internet posters
: who have freely accepted that
: as a quote from Mill without having examined the source. The
: statement itself is obviously nonsense, and I am suggesting that as a
: Benthamite, if Mill had indeed said that his motive for doing so was
: the seeking of pleasure and avoiding the pain of his own experience
: of being a failure.
you make a valid point. it is indeed true that i do not know the quote
to be from Mill for certain. i will henceforth remove his name and the
quotation marks from it. the sentiment, however, is sound, given the
sheer number of stupid conservatives.
witness: November 2nd, 2004... the largest display of stupidity in
America's history, executed entirely by conservatives.
--
Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid, it is true
that most stupid people are conservative.
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| User: "JerryD\upstateNY" |
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27 Nov 2004 06:17:13 PM |
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the sentiment, however, is sound, given the sheer number of stupid
conservatives.
witness: November 2nd, 2004... the largest display of stupidity in
America's history, executed entirely by conservatives.<<<<<<<<<
Still in denial huh ?
I know it is incomprehensible for a leftie to think maybe......just
maybe.....he might be wrong about something.
The fact is........3½ MILLION more people voted for Bush than voted for
Kerry.
There just seems to be more and more "stupid" people every year.
Pretty soon there will only be a few hundred thousand "smart" people in the
whole country.
HAHAHAHAHA
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JerryD(upstateNY)
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| User: ".impervious" |
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27 Nov 2004 10:24:16 PM |
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In news:dO8qd.21906$Uf.14245@twister.nyroc.rr.com,
JerryD(upstateNY) attempted to impart some wisdom, instead sputtering:
::::::::: the sentiment, however, is sound, given the sheer number of
::::::::: stupid
: conservatives.
: witness: November 2nd, 2004... the largest display of stupidity in
: America's history, executed entirely by conservatives.<<<<<<<<<
:
: Still in denial huh ?
: I know it is incomprehensible for a leftie to think maybe......just
: maybe.....he might be wrong about something.
: The fact is........3½ MILLION more people voted for Bush than voted
: for Kerry.
: There just seems to be more and more "stupid" people every year.
: Pretty soon there will only be a few hundred thousand "smart" people
: in the whole country.
: HAHAHAHAHA
jesus, man... listen to yourself!
i'm not in denial. Kerry wasn't a good enough candidate. for 4 long
years, America has been subjected to intense propaganda and
brainwashing. how can it be helped that a few people that are normally
not idiots are fooled by the *****?
so the voter intimidation, machine tampering, and outright slander
worked this time around... what makes you think it won't be different
next time?
the plain fact is, anyone who voted for Bush is stupid. period. if you
did, you are.
--
Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid, it is true
that most stupid people are conservative.
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| User: "Mel" |
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28 Nov 2004 09:04:17 PM |
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 04:24:16 GMT, ".impervious"
<thats***disgusting@hotmail.com> wrote in message
<Qpcqd.1520$M57.1126@trnddc01>:
In news:dO8qd.21906$Uf.14245@twister.nyroc.rr.com,
JerryD(upstateNY) attempted to impart some wisdom, instead sputtering:
::::::::: the sentiment, however, is sound, given the sheer number of
::::::::: stupid
: conservatives.
: witness: November 2nd, 2004... the largest display of stupidity in
: America's history, executed entirely by conservatives.<<<<<<<<<
: Still in denial huh ?
: I know it is incomprehensible for a leftie to think maybe......just
: maybe.....he might be wrong about something.
: The fact is........3½ MILLION more people voted for Bush than voted
: for Kerry.
: There just seems to be more and more "stupid" people every year.
: Pretty soon there will only be a few hundred thousand "smart" people
: in the whole country.
: HAHAHAHAHA
jesus, man... listen to yourself!
i'm not in denial. Kerry wasn't a good enough candidate. for 4 long
years, America has been subjected to intense propaganda and
brainwashing. how can it be helped that a few people that are normally
not idiots are fooled by the *****?
so the voter intimidation, machine tampering, and outright slander
worked this time around... what makes you think it won't be different
next time?
the plain fact is, anyone who voted for Bush is stupid. period. if you
did, you are.
The reason Bush is President of the United States of America is because it
is the Will of God. The Bible says that there are no authorities appointed
except by the authority of God.
It's not the number of ballots cast for Bush that put him in power. It is
the Will of God that put him in power.
Now look on in awe and see what God accomplishes for America (and the world)
in the next 4 years. It is all part of His divine plan such that no man (or
woman) should not hear the Gospel of Christ or not be given an opportunity
to receive salvation. No corner of this earth will remain untouched.
tremble you evildoers, rejoice you faithful!
--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
Cape Town news
http://adderleystreet.co.za/capetown/
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| User: "GP of ATJ" |
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30 Nov 2004 12:17:53 PM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.fag.com> wrote in message
news:18riq0hh7up0ddc3a6psbbq4a6ufi587hr@4ax.com...
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 04:24:16 GMT, ".impervious"
<thats***disgusting@hotmail.com> wrote in message
<Qpcqd.1520$M57.1126@trnddc01>:
In news:dO8qd.21906$Uf.14245@twister.nyroc.rr.com,
JerryD(upstateNY) attempted to impart some wisdom, instead sputtering:
::::::::: the sentiment, however, is sound, given the sheer number of
::::::::: stupid
: conservatives.
: witness: November 2nd, 2004... the largest display of stupidity in
: America's history, executed entirely by conservatives.<<<<<<<<<
: Still in denial huh ?
: I know it is incomprehensible for a leftie to think maybe......just
: maybe.....he might be wrong about something.
: The fact is........3½ MILLION more people voted for Bush than voted
: for Kerry.
: There just seems to be more and more "stupid" people every year.
: Pretty soon there will only be a few hundred thousand "smart" people
: in the whole country.
: HAHAHAHAHA
jesus, man... listen to yourself!
i'm not in denial. Kerry wasn't a good enough candidate. for 4 long
years, America has been subjected to intense propaganda and
brainwashing. how can it be helped that a few people that are normally
not idiots are fooled by the *****?
so the voter intimidation, machine tampering, and outright slander
worked this time around... what makes you think it won't be different
next time?
the plain fact is, anyone who voted for Bush is stupid. period. if you
did, you are.
The reason Bush is President of the United States of America is because it
is the Will of God. The Bible says that there are no authorities appointed
except by the authority of God.
he told more convincing lies fag boy.
It's not the number of ballots cast for Bush that put him in power. It is
the Will of God that put him in power.
you still scared from making the comments you did a couple of years ago fag
boy?
Now look on in awe and see what God accomplishes for America (and the
world)
in the next 4 years. It is all part of His divine plan such that no man
(or
woman) should not hear the Gospel of Christ or not be given an opportunity
to receive salvation. No corner of this earth will remain untouched.
you gonna go park your fat ***** all over the world fag boy?
tremble you evildoers, rejoice you faithful!
who'd want to be faithful to you fag boy.
Yo momma's so stupid, she called the 7-11 to see when they closed.
--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfag.com
http://www.atjfag.com/
Fag Town news
http://adderleystreet.co.za/capetown/
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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29 Nov 2004 04:16:00 PM |
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Mel wrote:
< snip >
The reason Bush is President of the United States of America is because it
is the Will of
Scalia.
God.
Same thing, in his mind.
The Bible says that there are no authorities appointed
except by the authority of God.
So BushCo was defying God's will when he toppled Saddam, eh?
It's not the number of ballots cast for Bush that put him in power. It is
the Will of God that put him in power.
LOL! The will of God could only get BushCo a 3% margin?
Now look on in awe and see what God accomplishes for America (and the world)
in the next 4 years.
"Awe" is one word. A better one is "horror".
It is all part of His divine plan such that no man (or
woman) should not hear the Gospel of Christ or not be given an opportunity
to receive salvation. No corner of this earth will remain untouched.
tremble you evildoers, rejoice you faithful!
Cringe, you English teachers!
I assume you were saying all this during Clinton's eight years, too, right?
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "Mel" |
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27 Nov 2004 11:49:05 PM |
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:37:15 GMT, ".impervious"
<thats***disgusting@hotmail.com> wrote in message
<Lc8qd.1481$M57.263@trnddc01>:
In news:VG2qd.21341$1u.17525@twister.nyroc.rr.com,
Douglas D. Anderson attempted to impart some wisdom, instead sputtering:
: Not true, because I am not questioning the validity or non-validity
: of the statement, which is obviously preposterous, but rather
: questioning whether Mill actually said that, and impeaching the lack
: of substantiation allowed by the thousand and some internet posters
: who have freely accepted that
: as a quote from Mill without having examined the source. The
: statement itself is obviously nonsense, and I am suggesting that as a
: Benthamite, if Mill had indeed said that his motive for doing so was
: the seeking of pleasure and avoiding the pain of his own experience
: of being a failure.
you make a valid point. it is indeed true that i do not know the quote
to be from Mill for certain. i will henceforth remove his name and the
quotation marks from it. the sentiment, however, is sound, given the
sheer number of stupid conservatives.
witness: November 2nd, 2004... the largest display of stupidity in
America's history, executed entirely by conservatives.
that is mere opinion and proves nothing. more time is needed to arrive at a
conclusion either way.
i see the Bush administration doing a lot of good in this world. Initially I
was sceptical of America having any success in Afghanistan.
Bush's presidential legacy may also include a settlement in Palestine.
--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
Cape Town news
http://adderleystreet.co.za/capetown/
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| User: "GP of ATJ" |
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| Title: Mel is a loser and a coward |
28 Nov 2004 05:53:31 AM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.fag.com> wrote in message
news:pkaiq0dgcn7vko8u1pr09v0jt8a7teq7js@4ax.com...
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:37:15 GMT, ".impervious"
<thats***disgusting@hotmail.com> wrote in message
<Lc8qd.1481$M57.263@trnddc01>:
In news:VG2qd.21341$1u.17525@twister.nyroc.rr.com,
Douglas D. Anderson attempted to impart some wisdom, instead sputtering:
: Not true, because I am not questioning the validity or non-validity
: of the statement, which is obviously preposterous, but rather
: questioning whether Mill actually said that, and impeaching the lack
: of substantiation allowed by the thousand and some internet posters
: who have freely accepted that
: as a quote from Mill without having examined the source. The
: statement itself is obviously nonsense, and I am suggesting that as a
: Benthamite, if Mill had indeed said that his motive for doing so was
: the seeking of pleasure and avoiding the pain of his own experience
: of being a failure.
you make a valid point. it is indeed true that i do not know the quote
to be from Mill for certain. i will henceforth remove his name and the
quotation marks from it. the sentiment, however, is sound, given the
sheer number of stupid conservatives.
witness: November 2nd, 2004... the largest display of stupidity in
America's history, executed entirely by conservatives.
that is mere opinion and proves nothing. more time is needed to arrive at
a
conclusion either way.
can't think of any lies about that fag boy?
i see the Bush administration doing a lot of good in this world. Initially
I
was sceptical of America having any success in Afghanistan.
why are you sucking up to bush when just a couple of years agi you were anti
bush fag boy.
Bush's presidential legacy may also include a settlement in Palestine.
and you'll still be hiding like the coward you are fag boy.
Q: What do you get when you cross a blonde with a postal worker?
A: A fluezy with an Uzi.
--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfag.com
http://www.atjfag.com/
Fag Town news
http://adderleystreet.co.za/capetown/
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| User: "nenslo" |
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| Title: Re: J. S. Mill allegedly a lunatic and a failure - therefore WRONG |
28 Nov 2004 04:39:45 PM |
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"Douglas D. Anderson" wrote:
"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote
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"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid, it is true
that most stupid people are conservative."
- John Stuart Mill
That broke me up...too bad it's true.
Did Mill say that during or following his mental breakdown when he was in his
twenties, or following his failed political career when he was not re-elected after
one term in Parliament?
Btw- can anyone establish the source of that supposed quote or otherwise prove
that it is a hoax? Mill was not a "liberal" but a Benthamite, a philosophy supposing
that the only motives of all behaviour are pleasure seeking and pain avoidance. It
would thus seem that even if he had made such a remark, it was not to advocate
the liberal view, as might seem the case in the simplistic "black and white" thinking
of modern pseudo-intellectuals.
So you have nothing to indicate that the statement itself isn't true?
Just comments on the character or intent of the person you think
probably didn't even say it, and derogation of the thought patterns of
entirely unrelated persons? Nope, that doesn't work. You kind of have
to address the meaning of the statement itself if you wish to invalidate
it, not just shotgun derision all around. Fact is, most stupid people
are conservative, and not all conservatives are stupid. Why even a
conservative would object to someone saying they may not be stupid is a
puzzle to me.
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28 Nov 2004 05:15:48 PM |
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"nenslo" <nenslo@yahoox.com> wrote
"Douglas D. Anderson" wrote:
"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote
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"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid, it is true
that most stupid people are conservative."
- John Stuart Mill
That broke me up...too bad it's true.
Did Mill say that during or following his mental breakdown when he was in his
twenties, or following his failed political career when he was not re-elected after
one term in Parliament?
Btw- can anyone establish the source of that supposed quote or otherwise prove
that it is a hoax? Mill was not a "liberal" but a Benthamite, a philosophy supposing
that the only motives of all behaviour are pleasure seeking and pain avoidance. It
would thus seem that even if he had made such a remark, it was not to advocate
the liberal view, as might seem the case in the simplistic "black and white" thinking
of modern pseudo-intellectuals.
So you have nothing to indicate that the statement itself isn't true?
Just comments on the character or intent of the person you think
probably didn't even say it, and derogation of the thought patterns of
entirely unrelated persons? Nope, that doesn't work. You kind of have
to address the meaning of the statement itself if you wish to invalidate
it, not just shotgun derision all around. Fact is, most stupid people
are conservative, and not all conservatives are stupid. Why even a
conservative would object to someone saying they may not be stupid is a
puzzle to me.
I've long held that stupid people think they're smart and smart people think
they're stupid, and you apparently think you're very smart.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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29 Nov 2004 02:59:26 AM |
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"Douglas D. Anderson" <dda@rr.rochester.com> wrote in message
news:E_sqd.29000$1u.3769@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
"nenslo" <nenslo@yahoox.com> wrote
"Douglas D. Anderson" wrote:
"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote
--
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid, it is
true
that most stupid people are conservative."
- John Stuart Mill
That broke me up...too bad it's true.
Did Mill say that during or following his mental breakdown when he was
in his
twenties, or following his failed political career when he was not
re-elected after
one term in Parliament?
Btw- can anyone establish the source of that supposed quote or
otherwise prove
that it is a hoax? Mill was not a "liberal" but a Benthamite, a
philosophy supposing
that the only motives of all behaviour are pleasure seeking and pain
avoidance. It
would thus seem that even if he had made such a remark, it was not to
advocate
the liberal view, as might seem the case in the simplistic "black and
white" thinking
of modern pseudo-intellectuals.
So you have nothing to indicate that the statement itself isn't true?
Just comments on the character or intent of the person you think
probably didn't even say it, and derogation of the thought patterns of
entirely unrelated persons? Nope, that doesn't work. You kind of have
to address the meaning of the statement itself if you wish to invalidate
it, not just shotgun derision all around. Fact is, most stupid people
are conservative, and not all conservatives are stupid. Why even a
conservative would object to someone saying they may not be stupid is a
puzzle to me.
I've long held that stupid people think they're smart and smart people
think
they're stupid, and you apparently think you're very smart.
On the contrary. "Smart" people are usually quite aware of their own
intelligence. They're also well aware that they don't know everything.
Stupid people, on the other hand, are generally unaware of their own
limitations. Or believe they don't have any.... ;-)
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| User: "nenslo" |
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28 Nov 2004 10:53:41 PM |
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"Douglas D. Anderson" wrote:
"nenslo" <nenslo@yahoox.com> wrote
"Douglas D. Anderson" wrote:
"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote
--
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid, it is true
that most stupid people are conservative."
- John Stuart Mill
That broke me up...too bad it's true.
Did Mill say that during or following his mental breakdown when he was in his
twenties, or following his failed political career when he was not re-elected after
one term in Parliament?
Btw- can anyone establish the source of that supposed quote or otherwise prove
that it is a hoax? Mill was not a "liberal" but a Benthamite, a philosophy supposing
that the only motives of all behaviour are pleasure seeking and pain avoidance. It
would thus seem that even if he had made such a remark, it was not to advocate
the liberal view, as might seem the case in the simplistic "black and white" thinking
of modern pseudo-intellectuals.
So you have nothing to indicate that the statement itself isn't true?
Just comments on the character or intent of the person you think
probably didn't even say it, and derogation of the thought patterns of
entirely unrelated persons? Nope, that doesn't work. You kind of have
to address the meaning of the statement itself if you wish to invalidate
it, not just shotgun derision all around. Fact is, most stupid people
are conservative, and not all conservatives are stupid. Why even a
conservative would object to someone saying they may not be stupid is a
puzzle to me.
I've long held that stupid people think they're smart and smart people think
they're stupid, and you apparently think you're very smart.
Still nothing here addressing the factuality of the original statement.
Just a syllogism intended to insult.
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| User: ".impervious" |
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| Title: Re: J. S. Mill allegedly a lunatic and a failure - therefore WRONG |
28 Nov 2004 06:28:36 PM |
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In news:E_sqd.29000$1u.3769@twister.nyroc.rr.com,
Douglas D. Anderson attempted to impart some wisdom, instead sputtering:
: I've long held that stupid people think they're smart and smart
: people think they're stupid, and you apparently think you're very
: smart.
to say that smart people think they're stupid is paradoxical - if they
*were* "smart people," they wouldn't think they were stupid, and if they
*weren't* "smart people," then they'd fall into the first class of
"stupid people," who you say all believe they *are* smart.
just how long have you "long held" this bit of nonsense?
--
Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid, it is true
that most stupid people are conservative.
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| User: "Douglas D. Anderson" |
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| Title: Re: J. S. Mill allegedly a lunatic and a failure - therefore WRONG |
28 Nov 2004 06:40:43 PM |
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".impervious" <thats***disgusting@hotmail.com> wrote
In news:E_sqd.29000$1u.3769@twister.nyroc.rr.com,
Douglas D. Anderson attempted to impart some wisdom, instead sputtering:
: I've long held that stupid people think they're smart and smart
: people think they're stupid, and you apparently think you're very
: smart.
to say that smart people think they're stupid is paradoxical - if they
*were* "smart people," they wouldn't think they were stupid, and if they
*weren't* "smart people," then they'd fall into the first class of
"stupid people," who you say all believe they *are* smart.
just how long have you "long held" this bit of nonsense?
It's quite simple. Truely smart people are acutely aware of how limited their
own knowledge is with respect to what can be known, and are constantly
striving to become more knowledgeable. Stupid people think they already
know everything and go out of their way to avoid discovering otherwise.
Yes, it's a paradox, but life is full of 'em.
--
Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid, it is true
that most stupid people are conservative.
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| User: "nenslo" |
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| Title: Re: J. S. Mill allegedly a lunatic and a failure - therefore WRONG |
28 Nov 2004 10:56:44 PM |
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"Douglas D. Anderson" wrote:
It's quite simple. Truely smart people are acutely aware of how limited their
own knowledge is with respect to what can be known, and are constantly
striving to become more knowledgeable. Stupid people think they already
know everything and go out of their way to avoid discovering otherwise.
Yes, it's a paradox, but life is full of 'em.
So would you describe yourself in terms of what you call the "truely
smart" people's actions? Constantly striving to become more
knowledgeable?
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| User: "ÑðS-|-MÐ" |
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| Title: Re: J. S. Mill allegedly a lunatic and a failure - therefore WRONG |
29 Nov 2004 08:27:24 AM |
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Douglas D. Anderson, wasting several more cubic feet of our planet's
precious oxygen, hurled 32 lines of bandwidth-murdering idiocy into
alt.tasteless.jokes on Mon, 29 Nov 2004 00:40:43 GMT with this little
gem.. <feuqd.29479$1u.18261@twister.nyroc.rr.com>:
".impervious" <thats***disgusting@hotmail.com> wrote
In news:E_sqd.29000$1u.3769@twister.nyroc.rr.com,
Douglas D. Anderson attempted to impart some wisdom, instead sputtering:
: I've long held that stupid people think they're smart and smart
: people think they're stupid, and you apparently think you're very
: smart.
to say that smart people think they're stupid is paradoxical - if they
*were* "smart people," they wouldn't think they were stupid, and if they
*weren't* "smart people," then they'd fall into the first class of
"stupid people," who you say all believe they *are* smart.
just how long have you "long held" this bit of nonsense?
It's quite simple. Truely smart people are acutely aware of how limited their
own knowledge is with respect to what can be known, and are constantly
striving to become more knowledgeable. Stupid people think they already
know everything and go out of their way to avoid discovering otherwise.
Yes, it's a paradox, but life is full of 'em.
You know damn well you're a genius..
--
MÐ
Read all about Andrew Bryson's sock, "ur_droll"
http://redir.ek.dk/LeighDoesLoLs
http://redir.ek.dk/LeighCheersW/noConversation
http://redir.ek.dk/DrollDefendsLeigh/NoConversations
http://redir.ek.dk/Andy/LeighUseDrollAtComp
http://redir.ek.dk/DrollBackW/LeighProxyMistake
http://redir.ek.dk/LeighSock/100+IPmistakes
http://redir.ek.dk/LeighGoneToFixSock
Frequent lock-ups are a symptom of not enough memory in the same
way nosebleeds are a symptom of gunshot wounds to the head..
"'good'?!? ..she can suck a red-giant through a pipette!"
"It's unjustified and illogical to massage data and
direct observation in such a manner as to force reality
to conform to a mathematical premis..
...Einstein's a fuckin' moron"
Whoever has an army has power.. and war decides everything
--Mao Tse-Tung
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| User: ".impervious" |
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| Title: Re: J. S. Mill allegedly a lunatic and a failure - therefore WRONG |
28 Nov 2004 11:12:45 PM |
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In news:feuqd.29479$1u.18261@twister.nyroc.rr.com,
Douglas D. Anderson attempted to impart some wisdom, instead sputtering:
: ".impervious" <thats***disgusting@hotmail.com> wrote
:: In news:E_sqd.29000$1u.3769@twister.nyroc.rr.com,
:: Douglas D. Anderson attempted to impart some wisdom, instead
:: sputtering:
::
::: I've long held that stupid people think they're smart and smart
::: people think they're stupid, and you apparently think you're very
::: smart.
::
:: to say that smart people think they're stupid is paradoxical - if
:: they
:: *were* "smart people," they wouldn't think they were stupid, and if
:: they
:: *weren't* "smart people," then they'd fall into the first class of
:: "stupid people," who you say all believe they *are* smart.
::
:: just how long have you "long held" this bit of nonsense?
:
: It's quite simple. Truely smart people are acutely aware of how
: limited their own knowledge is with respect to what can be known, and
: are constantly striving to become more knowledgeable. Stupid people
: think they already
: know everything and go out of their way to avoid discovering
: otherwise.
: Yes, it's a paradox, but life is full of 'em.
this statement, like your last, is not only paradoxical, but this time,
it's idiotic as well.
"stupid people," given that they thought they were smart, would never go
out of their way to avoid discovering information, since they feel they
are smart... nor would they be smart enough to avoid discovering things
in the first place.
intellectuals do not make sweeping statements about smart versus stupid,
as they know well enough the difference between the two. you,
apparently, do not.
--
Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid, it is true
that most stupid people are conservative.
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| User: "Mel" |
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| Title: Re: J. S. Mill allegedly a lunatic and a failure - therefore WRONG |
29 Nov 2004 09:24:19 AM |
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 00:40:43 GMT, "Douglas D. Anderson"
<dda@rr.rochester.com> wrote in message
<feuqd.29479$1u.18261@twister.nyroc.rr.com>:
".impervious" <thats***disgusting@hotmail.com> wrote
In news:E_sqd.29000$1u.3769@twister.nyroc.rr.com,
Douglas D. Anderson attempted to impart some wisdom, instead sputtering:
: I've long held that stupid people think they're smart and smart
: people think they're stupid, and you apparently think you're very
: smart.
to say that smart people think they're stupid is paradoxical - if they
*were* "smart people," they wouldn't think they were stupid, and if they
*weren't* "smart people," then they'd fall into the first class of
"stupid people," who you say all believe they *are* smart.
just how long have you "long held" this bit of nonsense?
It's quite simple. Truely smart people are acutely aware of how limited their
own knowledge is with respect to what can be known, and are constantly
striving to become more knowledgeable. Stupid people think they already
know everything and go out of their way to avoid discovering otherwise.
Yes, it's a paradox, but life is full of 'em.
stupid people do not understand paradoxes.
--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
Cape Town news
http://adderleystreet.co.za/capetown/
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| User: "GP of ATJ" |
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| Title: Re: J. S. Mill allegedly a lunatic and a failure - therefore WRONG |
29 Nov 2004 03:32:08 PM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.fag.com> wrote in message
news:v16lq09nt61h6t7oma6t0tgg1hsuhkp5pa@4ax.com...
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 00:40:43 GMT, "Douglas D. Anderson"
<dda@rr.rochester.com> wrote in message
<feuqd.29479$1u.18261@twister.nyroc.rr.com>:
".impervious" <thats***disgusting@hotmail.com> wrote
In news:E_sqd.29000$1u.3769@twister.nyroc.rr.com,
Douglas D. Anderson attempted to impart some wisdom, instead sputtering:
: I've long held that stupid people think they're smart and smart
: people think they're stupid, and you apparently think you're very
: smart.
to say that smart people think they're stupid is paradoxical - if they
*were* "smart people," they wouldn't think they were stupid, and if they
*weren't* "smart people," then they'd fall into the first class of
"stupid people," who you say all believe they *are* smart.
just how long have you "long held" this bit of nonsense?
It's quite simple. Truely smart people are acutely aware of how limited
their
own knowledge is with respect to what can be known, and are constantly
striving to become more knowledgeable. Stupid people think they already
know everything and go out of their way to avoid discovering otherwise.
Yes, it's a paradox, but life is full of 'em.
stupid people do not understand paradoxes.
that isn't all that you don't understand fag boy.
Q: Why shouldn't Blondes have coffee breaks?
A: It takes too long to retrain them.
--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfag.com
http://www.atjfag.com/
Fag Town news
http://adderleystreet.co.za/capetown/
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| User: "Mel" |
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| Title: Re: J. S. Mill allegedly a lunatic and a failure - therefore WRONG |
29 Nov 2004 09:24:17 AM |
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 00:28:36 GMT, ".impervious"
<thats***disgusting@hotmail.com> wrote in message
<U2uqd.5780$lv6.1023@trnddc03>:
In news:E_sqd.29000$1u.3769@twister.nyroc.rr.com,
Douglas D. Anderson attempted to impart some wisdom, instead sputtering:
: I've long held that stupid people think they're smart and smart
: people think they're stupid, and you apparently think you're very
: smart.
to say that smart people think they're stupid is paradoxical - if they
*were* "smart people," they wouldn't think they were stupid, and if they
*weren't* "smart people," then they'd fall into the first class of
"stupid people," who you say all believe they *are* smart.
just how long have you "long held" this bit of nonsense?
another one who can't parse sentences.
clue: you are stupid.
--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
Cape Town news
http://adderleystreet.co.za/capetown/
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| User: "GP of ATJ" |
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| Title: Re: J. S. Mill allegedly a lunatic and a failure - therefore WRONG |
29 Nov 2004 03:31:02 PM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.fag.com> wrote in message
news:j06lq0l028p0rpgat49skeq0gl1fkv2hbl@4ax.com...
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 00:28:36 GMT, ".impervious"
<thats***disgusting@hotmail.com> wrote in message
<U2uqd.5780$lv6.1023@trnddc03>:
In news:E_sqd.29000$1u.3769@twister.nyroc.rr.com,
Douglas D. Anderson attempted to impart some wisdom, instead sputtering:
: I've long held that stupid people think they're smart and smart
: people think they're stupid, and you apparently think you're very
: smart.
to say that smart people think they're stupid is paradoxical - if they
*were* "smart people," they wouldn't think they were stupid, and if they
*weren't* "smart people," then they'd fall into the first class of
"stupid people," who you say all believe they *are* smart.
just how long have you "long held" this bit of nonsense?
another one who can't parse sentences.
just imitating you fag boy.
clue: you are stupid.
did you see what you look like in a mirror fag boy?
Q: How can you tell if a Blonde has been using your computer?
A: There is white-out all over the monitor.
--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfag.com
http://www.atjfag.com/
Fag Town news
http://adderleystreet.co.za/capetown/
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| User: "Mel" |
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27 Nov 2004 12:13:06 AM |
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:34:08 -0500, Jeffrey Turner <jturner@localnet.com>
wrote in message <10qf8ah70bkq51@corp.supernews.com>:
Mel wrote:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:46:36 -0500, Jeffrey Turner <jturner@localnet.com>
Fletis Humplebacker wrote:
But Jesus was not against self defense either, he told his disciples
to buy swords, did you know that?
Cite?
--Jeff
look it up yourself, you lazy *****.
I didn't think you knew anything about the Bible or anything
else. If you can't back up your assertions, they aren't worth
the electrons they're printed on.
--Jeff
who the ***** do you think i am?
you ignorant fool. it is trivial for you to discover whether Jesus said the
above or not. you ignorant fool.
--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
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