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19 Sep 2003 09:29:02 AM |
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Re: Jews' Radical Assault on Traditional Culture |
Grimner <Pantera@attbi.com> wrote in news:3F6A381C.2090104@attbi.com:
there is a difference between saying that Jews are responsible for x,
y, and z, and the idea that Jews are a different culture.
Does judiasm have anything to do with the worlds problems, or the
problems related to Asatru as a religion?
not really.
Do certain people of that group take it upon themselves to condemn the
whole of us as neo Nazis?
So, you're assuming a jew is at the heart of this.
I see.
Bertie
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| Title: Re: Jews' Radical - asatru resources |
19 Sep 2003 09:37:08 AM |
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"Dirk Bruere at Neopax" <dirk@neopax.com> wrote in
news:bkf49f$14dnc$1@ID-120108.news.uni-berlin.de:
National Socialist Racial Policy:
A Speech to German Women
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My Dear German Women and Girls!
When Germans come together today to discuss the things that concern us both
as individuals and as a nation, it is a solemn occasion, whether we wish it
to be or not. During the political struggles of the past, we could speak of
party programs or of civilization without any involvement of our soul.
Now we have forgotten how to approach an issue merely with our
understanding, merely with our mouth, merely with our heart. We have become
whole people once again. When we speak with others, we do so with our full
being.
That is what made the movement strong, and great, and powerful from its
first days. It is also that which the enemy on this side of the border and
the other cannot understand, and which it hates with deadly strength. As
this great and beautiful people's movement began, so too began a hard and
bitter struggle between enemy and German forces, between an old world that
is really long dead and buried, and the new world that is struggling to
reach the light through us. This struggle has been going on in people's
hearts and souls for years, and is nowhere near its end. The world finds it
difficult to understand that which is at the center of our endeavors:
the value of blood and race.
Our enemies first laughed in pity, then in hatred as we spoke of it.
Let us speak of what we National Socialists mean by that so that it will
become clear why the German woman may be even more concerned about these
matters than the man, his state, and his fighting organization can be.
There was a time in the past when we were untrue, untrue in the deepest
sense. We were untrue not to other people, or parties, or states, or kings,
but untrue to something far greater, untrue to the laws of life. As long as
the world exists, as long as life grows, flourishes and perishes, so long
will this life have the urge to live on into the future and win new
territory. Whether plant or animal or man—as we, or I, or you:
wherever there is life, it has the longing to bring forth new life.
It should be unnecessary to speak of such things. We speak of them only
because for a few decades a crazy era ignored, blasphemed and mocked these
greatest, most beautiful and purest dreams of life. This was an age that
made the idol of money supreme and said: "The world should be governed not
be what serves life, rather by what some fool of an accountant decides is
best." We know the results. The great laws of life were evaluated according
to money sacks and checkbooks. When we think back on our parents,
grandparents and great grandparents, there were many children in the house.
It may have been crowded and hard financially, but we were happy, perhaps
because there were so many of us in so large a family. But the time came
when people said: "As man or woman, as parents or teachers of leaders, you
have the duty to show the people the way to a better future." That better
future, people thought, could only be a richer future, a future in which
the individual had more money. And when they were asked where this money
would come from, a false teaching arose in the last century: "The fewer
people there are, the more an individual child can inherit from his
parents." He who loves his children and wishes a prosperous future for his
nation should therefore see to it that Germany's population is small, and
that only a few children continue the family after he is gone. That was the
terrible teaching of birth control, which Marxism preached and the
bourgeois followed. No one dared stand against it. That was the doctrine
that made us what we are today:
a dying people,
in which fewer children are born each year, in which today more people die
each year than are born. This all was supposed to lead to a happy future.
It understood happiness only in terms of possessions. It was therefore
inherently false. But even in its own terms it was false, for it forgot
something:
When a people begins to die, when a people no longer obeys the laws of
life, when a people values money more than its existence and posterity,
this people is on the path to disaster, both historically and politically.
Within a few decades it will be dead, oppressed by other peoples who are
stronger, closer to life, and who follow life's laws better than we.
If present trends continue, by the end of the century Germany will be a
nation with only 40-50 million inhabitants,
and we know that on our borders other peoples are growing quickly and
strongly. Sooner or later, these other peoples will come in conflict with a
shrinking and dying German people, and the result of the supposed doctrine
of happiness will be a hard and bitter
national death for our children.
Those who believed that they can give their children a happy and peaceful
future by reducing the number of children err deeply. They give the
children only the promise of a hard and bitter struggle for Germany's
existence as a state and as an idea.
Today when we work to show people that the ideas of yesterday are false,
that the state and nation cannot do without the family, that the family
cannot exist without children, and when we not only provide economic
support to make it easier to begin families and have children, but also
tell people again and again of the sanctity of life and the necessity of
continuing our people into the future, our enemies on both sides of the
border suddenly have insults and hateful things to say about us. They wish
to disturb our work. Suddenly there are voices saying: "National
Socialism's doctrines are inhumane and barbaric. National Socialism's views
on children turn people into breeding animals. When it says
that it is the duty of men and women to continue the eternal chain of life,
a chain that begins in the distant past and continues into the future, a
chain of which we are only a link leading into the distant future,
our enemies on both sides of the border claim: "You reject the dignity and
value of humanity. National Socialism holds that men and women have no
value other than that of breeding cattle." It is a shame that we have to
respond to such words, but it is necessary because our enemies have always
tried to persuade women to oppose us, even though what we say is rooted in
the souls of the men and women we speak to. This is our response: "You are
mistaken in accusing us of thinking that the only purpose of humanity is to
continue the species by passing on our blood to future generations. We know
the other values. We support them and find wherever we can those values
that the individual shows in his work and selfless service. We know well
enough that
each person lives a double life. The first is the one he lives between
birth and death. We are to do as much as we can to make this life rich, to
accomplish that which is good and beautiful, to use our strengths and gifts
for others. That is the duty of the individual. But as a person you are
something more:
You are a member of the chain of life, a drop in the great bloodstream of
your people.
There too you have duties and obligations before the eternity of the
nation. You have the duty to pass on what you received from your parents
and ancestors. I do not believe that such behavior, which obeys both the
laws of reason and of life, is barbaric, hateful or inhumane. I believe
instead that the barbarism is to be found in the years we have left behind
us, when any dirty lout could besmirch the most valuable, holy life of a
man or women in their families, or drag children through the filth, without
anyone defending their culture against such an attack.
I believe that when we tell people once more of the great value of blood,
and remind them that they have duties not only for the 60-year span in
which they work and serve, but also to the millennia of the past from which
we come and to the millennia of the future to which we are heading, then we
are giving them higher values than those of yesterday. Let me say also,
however, that it is wrong if someone thinks that only those who found
families and bear children are valuable to our state. We know that is not
so. We know there are reasons why some people leave their people's flow of
blood. We know that some are denied what the nation places great value on.
We do not ignore them or think ourselves their betters. We only say this:
"My friend, you and I must do our duty to our people, and when we cannot
fulfill it in one way, then we must do what we can with even greater energy
and devotion.
When you do your duty, you are one of us,
we extend our hand to you, we honor your humanity and your service for
Germany. Let us work together so that in the future, as many people as
possible will be able to serve the nation in both ways.
That is a piece of the thinking of blood and race that National Socialism
has taught us. And there is another aspect. When we see people today, we
can recognize that we are not all alike. There are differences in value;
each person does not have the same value as everyone else.
In the past, people believed that these differences were superficial, the
result of the environment in which one grew up. People believed that what
became of a person depended primarily on the house he grew up in or in his
social environment, or the class he came from. They believed that a person
born in a slum, surrounded by shadows, troubles and poverty, a child
lacking in love and affection, could only become a second-class human
being, a physically and psychologically ill member of the society, someone
failed by the society and the state. One thought that a child growing up in
such slum inevitably became sick, or even criminal. It was because he grew
up in such a poor environment. The Marxists claimed that if every child in
Germany grew up in an environment that gave him all he needed, he would
inevitably become a useful, decent, upright, proud and honest adult. After
a few years or decades, the entire German people would consist of such
decent and useful people. In the past people believed the environment was
responsible even when a person failed miserably.
We recall the days of delirium, when millions of unemployed had been thrown
on the street by a sick political and economic system, made superfluous. A
single person pried the tracks apart and derailed a train in the middle of
the night. Within a minute he murdered 30 innocent people who had never
done anything to him, and stole their money. And what did the world of
yesterday say? "He can't help himself. He is a victim of circumstances. He
has Beethoven's hands and an artistic temperament. We need not put him on
the gallows or in prison to protect us and our children. No, this poor
Schlesinger is only sick because of his environment. Put him in a modern
sanitarium, give him what he needs: radio, a library, a smoking salon, a
language teacher, a pastor, a newspaper room, give him everything he needs
to put him in touch with better things. In a few years, this mass murderer
of 30 people will leave as an ideal human being, so pure and innocent that
one can put him in charge of a kindergarten." That's what people thought in
the past.
Today that seems a bad joke to us, a crazy fantasy, but a few years ago it
was government policy in Germany. Those who did well under such policies
and have joined to fight us think that they can accuse our doctrines of
blood and race as barbaric.
Why do we see things differently? Because we have learned something:
In the end, you are not as important and significant as you thought
yesterday;
your strength and abilities are not as great as you believed during the
liberal era. Oh yes, it was a lovely dream to say: "I will do with my life
what I want, and if I happen to be a teacher, I will teach what I want, and
do what I enjoy, and what I think right." Well, that was your idea of the
environment.
We are a bit more modest, a bit more humble before the laws of fate.
We have learned that what I can do for myself or what you can do for
yourself, or what we can all do to each other, is not as important, or as
deep, as that which a greater power has already done to us. It is that
power that even before our birth gave us a part of our nature, and laid out
our path for us in the world. Here are joined two things: the knowledge of
modern science and the sensitivity and understanding of a humble person.
Suddenly we see that:
What you are, what I am and what I can be in my life is in part
predetermined by that which I have inherited.
If my inheritance is good and strong, and if I am true to it and develop
what is within me, my life will be successful, and perhaps of benefit and
joy to others. If such an inheritance is denied me, or if for some
inexplicable reason fate has given me other, perhaps weak, perhaps even bad
traits, I can struggle against them for my entire life, and will still not
be able to rid myself of that which slumbers in me because of the actions
of a higher power.
We see then that a good part of a people's history is determined by what it
has inherited. If we ask what sorts of physical or intellectual traits
these may be, or what groups there are, we will see that each people has
three groups. The first is a large group of people with average gifts, the
most of us who are able to deal with the normal problems life presents us
with. Next there is a very small group. This group has received a better
inheritance than most of us, not because of any particular virtue on its
part, but simply because of fate. The leaders of humanity, those who build
states, lead people, or touch the soul, come from this group. And there is
a third small group with particular traits, also not their fault: those who
are sick or genetically defective. They are not up to the challenges of
life, and need outside help to survive.
As humanity of a nation go through the centuries, the decisive fact is
which of these three groups is the strongest. One might say: "That is not a
question at all. The strongest will win, the group from which the leaders
come. This superior group has to be the strongest in the end, it must
gradually have its way." Well, that is how things would be without people,
if people with their little brains did not believe that they could change
the laws of life given to the world by heaven.
Man has interfered in these matters. He has tried to change the laws of
struggle and existence and selection. Those were ancient laws of life, to
which men too were subject:
That which cannot meet the challenges dies.
That is hard, perhaps, but it is also the way that nature makes life
stronger and better. Man has tried more and more to abolish these laws. He
has kept life going by using artificial means in cases where, left to
itself, it would have ended. He used all his understanding, love and
sympathy to keep a person alive, even when it is no joy, but only a burden
and misery. We now keep thousands, even tens of thousands of unhappy
creatures alive through artificial means, those to whom life itself has
denied the right to life. But keeping them alive was not itself the
problem. What is worse is that they were given the opportunity to pass on
their unfortunate physical and mental characteristics. That was the worst
that happened: we took the physically weak, the mentally ill, the
genetically defective criminals and not only kept them alive and cared for
them—that is our duty as human beings, which we certainly do not want to
ignore in the future either—and gave them the ability to have children with
the same deficiencies, thus doubling or multiplying their misery. The
German people do not know the extent of this misery, it does not know the
depressing spirit of the homes where thousands of cripples live their lives
only by being fed and cared for, poor creatures who are worse than any
animal. The animal at least is as it should be. These poor creatures are
distortions of life, no joy either to themselves or others. They are a
burden throughout their miserable existences, but thanks to the selfless
care and devotion of those who care for them may live 60, 70 or 80 years.
The German people do not realize the enormous sums that have been spent for
decades, money that is taken from those who are healthy, who could do
something useful, but cannot because the money is lacking.
There was a winter in which children in Bavaria did not even have wooden
shoes to wear as they walked through the snow on their way to school. They
had to walk for hours bare-footed. At the same time, the government made
sure that those unfortunate souls in a large institution had fresh bananas
twice a week so that they got the necessary vitamins. But these vitamins
could not give them joy or strength or health. But they were thus denied to
those somewhere in the Bavarian forest, or in the Ruhr, or in a poor
fishing village on the Frisian coast, where they could have reduced the
poverty and need in some worker's house. At the same time there was a case
where
a single mentally ill Negro of English citizenship lived for 16 years in an
institution in Berlin, costing 26,000 Marks.
26,000 Marks were thrown away on a life that had no meaning. 26,000 Marks
that could have been used to prepare a dozen strong, healthy and gifted
children for life and a job.
But I am not speaking of this as a kind of theft. Money is not an end in
itself. Rather, we have here committed a theft of spirit and soul, because
we tried to persuade the nation and humanity that our own greatness could
come from sacrificing for the worst and most helpless. In the end, we went
so far as
to put the sick and the dying before the young, strong, healthy and
promising.
That is against nature and life. A nation going this way is heading for the
abyss. We went so far as to preach year after year to healthy families that
they should have no children, or at most one, else they sinned against the
nation and the spirit of this enlightened age. But if some imbecile of a
***** and a genetically ill criminal had children, they were not only a
financial burden for their entire lives, but also took the labor of people
who our society gave nothing better to do than to change these poor
creatures three times a day and feed them. That is a perversion of
everything great and healthy, and is a sin against life and the spirit of
creation.
With full knowledge of our duties as human beings and the requirements of
pity, we made the decision not to allow such miserable creatures to pass on
their misery to the next generation, multiplied perhaps two or three or
more times. That is a major accomplishment, for which our children and
their children will one day thank us.
I know that there are those who will say: "You are meddling in matters that
are not your concern. You are interfering in an area outside human control.
Life and death are not in the hands of man, but in those of a higher power.
If God wants sick and genetically ill people to be born, you may not
interfere through laws, operations, or any other measures with God's will.
And if you do so—and you have with your Law to Prevent Inherited
Illness—then you are acting against the will of God, and you are heretics."
This is our answer: "My friend, you are wrong. It is true that we are
subject to a higher power. We humans may never interfere with the great
laws of the Creator. But you are wrong. See the laws the Creator has
established for his world and your life. The great law is that life must be
able to preserve itself, and that if it cannot, it will collapse. It is the
hard, brutal law of the struggle for existence and of selection and
extinction. It was the law we saw day by day, hour by hour, under all the
clouds of heaven and all the stars of the sky, in which life seemed to find
a senseless death, whether plant or animal or person, whether in distant
Africa or near us.
That which cannot meet the challenges of life dies, no matter how much pain
it causes,
and even if your small understanding or mind cannot comprehend it, these
are the great laws of life and the world that God himself gave us. These
are the laws, my German friend, that in our crazy fantasies we broke in the
past."
With overweening human pride and false pity, we broke the great law and
kept those alive who under the laws of God would long since have perished.
Today we are once more following these old laws, using humane methods, for
they follow a more hard and brutal course in nature according to God's
will. We are doing nothing more than reestablishing the laws of creation,
and bowing to the heavenly order. We are thus showing piety and true
humility—you are the heretics.
This applies as well to the third and last principle of our racial
thinking. This third and last principle is that the people on this world,
in America, Africa or China, are different both in body and soul. They are
not equal, as yesterday's lie had it.
People are different.
They not only speak different languages and look different: no, they are
different in the depths of their hearts and natures, and in their abilities
for good and evil. In the past people believed that these differences were
accidental, the result of climate or civilization, and that one could
overcome these differences and create a unified man in a unified state in
which all would be equally happy. We have learned that such ideas are
false. We have learned that the differences between the major blood groups
of the world, between the major races, are not the result of human action,
but of the laws of Creation. We have learned that the lines between blood
and blood, race and race, are also the lines between soul and soul and
spirit and spirit. We have learned that the opposite of the old phrase
"What God has brought together, let no man put asunder" is also true. We
have learned:
What God has separated, man should not bring together.
Heaven thought it good not to have only one type of people on the earth,
but different kinds, various racially-bound peoples. That is a part of
Creation. We bow before this truth and respect the borders. That means that
the foundation of our separation of the races is not a matter of politics
or economics, rather it rests on a higher level, to which we in the end are
responsible.
In our Reich, we are separating that which belongs to us, because it is
blood of our blood, from that which does not belong to us, because it is
foreign. We are doing that which is right not only for the moment, but for
eternity.
Believe me, my dear German fellow citizens, it is not true, as some say,
that this doctrine is a sign of arrogance or superiority or boasting. We do
not think ourselves better than the other races on the earth. No, we do not
think ourselves better, nor do we believe that others are worse than we
are. We insist only on one thing—a law established by the Creator himself:
Man differs from man and race from race in this world.
The others may not be better or worse, but they are different than we are,
and because they are different than we are, there is a kind of wall between
us that is part of the laws of life. That is the core of National
Socialism's racial thinking. Our goal is not to insult others, to say:
"What a great guy I am!" Rather, we hold to the humble recognition that
each healthy piece of life has its corner of the world, and its special
tasks. This is just as true of humans as it is of plants and animals in all
their multiplicity. We know that one type is no more valuable than another.
But we also know that each variety of life has a right to existence only as
long as it keeps itself pure and strong. Only when a tree bears the proper
fruit does it have a right to live. Otherwise it will be cut down and
destroyed. We do not know why things are the way they are, and it would be
foolish to ask the reason. That is how things are. Our task is to humbly
accept the laws that govern our human existence, and to accept the fact
that we are born Germans in Germany, not as Chinese or Eskimos. That is not
because of our virtues, nor it is our fault, nor was it our will. It was
fate that came from above. We have no choice but to accept this fate and to
develop the abilities that fate has given us according to necessity and
law.
Others may develop in their own way, in their own land. We must listen to
the depths of our own people, to draw from blood and inheritance the
strength we need to build our homeland. A higher power will take care of
the life beyond.
I believe, my dear German fellow citizens, that everyone who is of our
spirit will grant the correctness of our thinking about blood and race, and
will say: "I see now that you are not only on the right path, but are
honest and in the deepest sense true to demands that are greater than the
laws of man."
Let us then together follow the path to a new worldview. Let us go the path
of blood and race, which does not ignore faith and knowledge and a sense of
higher powers. Let us go this path, not a path of matter, superstition and
heresy, rather a path of deep humility and piety before the laws of God.
Let us go along this path together and listen to the deepest depths where
blood and soul rule. Let us draw from there the strength to build the
state, and even more important the Reich. It will be a Reich not only of
politics, a Reich of organization, or the economy, but a Reich of people.
Germany today has the fortune to find a new way, led by a great Führer.
German women today have the good fortune to see a strong and loyal woman at
their head. Let us together go forward, hand in hand, as befits comrades
building the future, and let us join the strength of men and women, rooted
deep in their blood, to build what the world has never before seen:
The holy Reich of the German soul.
Heil!
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| User: "Doug Freyburger" |
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| Title: Re: Jews' Radical - asatru resources |
19 Sep 2003 04:32:50 PM |
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One of Bertie's sock puttet forgeries wrote:
National Socialist Racial Policy:
So Bertie is sinking to new lows even for paranoid
delusional him.
This is in response to a response to a troll with the
handle Bertie. In many cases he has chosen several
newsgroups to crosspost this thread to.
Please don't feed the trolls. It only feeds their
sick little egos and pollutes the newsgroups further.
Also, be kind to the mentally ill. Don't get into
battles with them. Bertie isn't just a regular troll,
he's spent years attacking alt.religion.asatru
hurling personal insults and false accusations. He
has done so using several accounts, too. Here's one.
A glance at the number of postings shows that he is
obsessive and paraniod:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=author:A%40a.aaaaaa+
Note that he crossposts to get as many people
involved as possible, another indication of mental
illness. To show his level of obssession, glance at
the sheer number of troll postings he has done on
news:alt.religion.asatru (ARA):
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22Bertie+the+Bunyip%22&btnG=Google+Search&meta=group%3Dalt.religion.asatru
That search will take you back as far as 2001, and it
will show many accounts he posts from, accounts that
he uses to have conversations with himself, and so on.
He has been trolling ARA since 1999. The man needs pity
and medical help.
One of his maccabre twists is that he accuses folks on
ARA of being Nazis. There was a heathen revival in
Germany and Austria in the 1920s and 10930s. Those
people were among the first targets the real Nazis sent
to their deaths in the concentration camps. The Jews
were targetted when Germany and Austria ran out of
heathens. Asatru and Nazism are polar opposites much
like Judaism and Nazism because of this. Most of the
documentation I've read about the pre-WWII Asatru
revival has been in print, so I welcome web references
the the writings of those who were killed in the camps.
The Asatru Alliance's quarterly Vor Tru ran a series on
them for several years.
What is Asatru really about, then? I follow the old
gods and goddesses known in northern Europe in the times
before Christianity came through. Thor and Sif, Odin
and Frigga, Ull and Skadhi and so on. Their adventures
are recorded in the myths of the Norse, Saxons, Goths
and so on across the sprectrum of Germanic peoples.
Like any religion, Asatru teaches a moral code. It has
lessons that lead a person to be a better person. It
has Lore that was passed down from generation to
generation until it contains lessons of everyday life.
Dirk Buerre posts a large list of links to various
Asatru resources. To give a quick idea of what Asatru
is and who Asatruar, I offer a few of the ones I
recommend to newcomers. I'm in the US so I'm most
interested in US resources, especially ones that span
borders:
http://www.thetroth.org/ *The Troth
http://www.friggasweb.org *Frigga's web
http://www.irminsul.org/ *Irminsul Aettir
http://alliance.eagleut.com/ *Asatru Alliance
The starting point for read are the Poetic Edda and
the Prose Edda which are the best preserved Norse
myths, and Saxo Grammaticus which contains mainland
European versions of the old tales:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0292764995/qid=1063641176/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/103-9049972-9079868
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0192839462/qid=1063641176/sr=2-2/ref=sr_2_2/103-9049972-9079868
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0520234774/qid=1063641283/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/103-9049972-9079868
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0460876163/qid=1063641283/sr=2-2/ref=sr_2_2/103-9049972-9079868
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0859915026/qid=1063641366/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-9049972-9079868?v=glance&s=books
Hail Asgard!
Doug Freyburger
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| User: "Bertie the Bunyip" |
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| Title: Re: Jews' Radical - asatru resources |
19 Sep 2003 05:02:13 PM |
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(Doug Freyburger) wrote in
news:7960d3ee.0309191332.56d847e6@posting.google.com:
One of Bertie's sock puttet forgeries wrote:
National Socialist Racial Policy:
So Bertie is sinking to new lows even for paranoid
delusional him.
Really?
Prove it nazi boy.
OTOH, it's pretty easy to prove your little games..
headers don't tell lies..
Bertie
This is in response to a response to a troll with the
handle Bertie. In many cases he has chosen several
newsgroups to crosspost this thread to.
Please don't feed the trolls. It only feeds their
sick little egos and pollutes the newsgroups further.
Also, be kind to the mentally ill. Don't get into
battles with them. Bertie isn't just a regular troll,
he's spent years attacking alt.religion.asatru
hurling personal insults and false accusations. He
has done so using several accounts, too. Here's one.
A glance at the number of postings shows that he is
obsessive and paraniod:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=author:A%40a.aaaaa
a+
Note that he crossposts to get as many people
involved as possible, another indication of mental
illness. To show his level of obssession, glance at
the sheer number of troll postings he has done on
news:alt.religion.asatru (ARA):
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22Bertie+the
+Bunyip%22&btnG=Google+Search&meta=group%3Dalt.religion.asatru
That search will take you back as far as 2001, and it
will show many accounts he posts from, accounts that
he uses to have conversations with himself, and so on.
He has been trolling ARA since 1999. The man needs pity
and medical help.
One of his maccabre twists is that he accuses folks on
ARA of being Nazis. There was a heathen revival in
Germany and Austria in the 1920s and 10930s. Those
people were among the first targets the real Nazis sent
to their deaths in the concentration camps. The Jews
were targetted when Germany and Austria ran out of
heathens. Asatru and Nazism are polar opposites much
like Judaism and Nazism because of this. Most of the
documentation I've read about the pre-WWII Asatru
revival has been in print, so I welcome web references
the the writings of those who were killed in the camps.
The Asatru Alliance's quarterly Vor Tru ran a series on
them for several years.
What is Asatru really about, then? I follow the old
gods and goddesses known in northern Europe in the times
before Christianity came through. Thor and Sif, Odin
and Frigga, Ull and Skadhi and so on. Their adventures
are recorded in the myths of the Norse, Saxons, Goths
and so on across the sprectrum of Germanic peoples.
Like any religion, Asatru teaches a moral code. It has
lessons that lead a person to be a better person. It
has Lore that was passed down from generation to
generation until it contains lessons of everyday life.
Dirk Buerre posts a large list of links to various
Asatru resources. To give a quick idea of what Asatru
is and who Asatruar, I offer a few of the ones I
recommend to newcomers. I'm in the US so I'm most
interested in US resources, especially ones that span
borders:
http://www.thetroth.org/ *The Troth
http://www.friggasweb.org *Frigga's web
http://www.irminsul.org/ *Irminsul Aettir
http://alliance.eagleut.com/ *Asatru Alliance
The starting point for read are the Poetic Edda and
the Prose Edda which are the best preserved Norse
myths, and Saxo Grammaticus which contains mainland
European versions of the old tales:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0292764995/qid=1063641176/sr=2-1
/ref=sr_2_1/103-9049972-9079868
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0192839462/qid=1063641176/sr=2-2
/ref=sr_2_2/103-9049972-9079868
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0520234774/qid=1063641283/sr=2-1
/ref=sr_2_1/103-9049972-9079868
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0460876163/qid=1063641283/sr=2-2
/ref=sr_2_2/103-9049972-9079868
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0859915026/qid=1063641366
/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-9049972-9079868?v=glance&s=books
Hail Asgard!
Doug Freyburger
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20 Sep 2003 10:25:32 AM |
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Bertie the Bunyip <s@s.s> wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:
One of Bertie's sock puttet forgeries wrote:
National Socialist Racial Policy:
So Bertie is sinking to new lows even for paranoid delusional him.
Prove it nazi boy.
Prove that it wasn't you forging.
OTOH, it's pretty easy to prove your little games..
headers don't tell lies..
Headers are easily forged as you well know since you do it all of
the time.
Bertie the vulgar complements Asatru by his own vulgarity.
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20 Sep 2003 07:00:20 PM |
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(Doug Freyburger) wrote in
news:7960d3ee.0309200725.3947250f@posting.google.com:
Bertie the Bunyip <s@s.s> wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:
One of Bertie's sock puttet forgeries wrote:
National Socialist Racial Policy:
So Bertie is sinking to new lows even for paranoid delusional him.
Prove it nazi boy.
Prove that it wasn't you forging.
OTOH, it's pretty easy to prove your little games..
headers don't tell lies..
Headers are easily forged as you well know since you do it all of
the time.
Is that right?
You're lying. Just like you're lying about not being racist, or a neo nazi.
If you're not, prove that you aren't.
Fjuckwit.
Bertie
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19 Sep 2003 11:48:52 AM |
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Stop Crossposting <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in
news:CjFab.20990$cJ5.2619@www.newsranger.com:
Isidor
by Joseph Goebbels
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My name is Hase [Hase, German for rabbit, but also an ignoramus]. I live in
the forest and don't know anything about anything. I keep out of
everything. I am, one might say, politically neutral. When it is to my
advantage, I can believe anything, though the facts are best. The facts are
mostly wonderful. I am of the opinion that the far right and the far left
must be banned. The center, of course, is out of the question. As I said,
that's my opinion. I am a realist. That is comfortable, it has few dangers,
and one can make a living.
But assume I didn't live in the forest any more, but in China. Some kind of
fortune or misfortune has brought me there. Let's assume that. Now that
would be terribly unpleasant. For in China, as is well known, everyone is
Chinese, even the emperor. I would stand out. My name is Hase, and I look
like a German. One would be able to recognize me immediately. Why, even the
children would stand stock still in the street and call out "That's Hase."
But I would know what to do. I would grow a long pigtail and stop looking
like a German. I would give up my honorable name Schmidt and rename myself
"Wukiutschu." That's what I'd do. And if someone still called me "Hase," I
would be very angry.
Let's assume, then, that I live in Shanghai and my father still lives in
the forest. I wouldn't say anything about the forest to anyone. Just the
opposite! I would behave as if we had lived for generations in Shanghai, no
matter how much others wanted to doubt it. And then, let's assume that by
accident the police chief of Shanghai dies. And that all the Chinese shout
"Wukiutschu should be our leader!"
I would then somehow be the police chief of Shanghai. It's nice to be the
police chief. One has the power to do what one wants. That is, if others
let one get away with it. But they must! If they were dumb enough to say
"Wukiutschu should lead us!" then they have to be satisfied with me. And if
someone weren't satisfied, I'd take action, since there are always
malcontents. I would therefore decree:
"It is forbidden to be dissatisfied!"
Wukiutschu
And I would rule. I know that it wouldn't be as simple as it looks. For
people would come and say:
"What does Wukiutschu want? He isn't even one of our people." Wukiutschu is
really named Hase and lives in the forest. He has sneaked in here. We've
been here on Chinese soil a thousand years and more. Our fathers made this
land livable and defended it with their lives. Back then Wukiutschu still
lived in the forest, but now he behaves as if he had always lived here.
Down with him! China for the Chinese!"
That would naturally be most unpleasant for me. For if one cut my pigtail
off, any child could see that these people were right. But that wouldn't
happen. I would be the police chief after all, and as such have a right to
respect. So I'd make another decree:
"Whoever calls me Hase is inciting class warfare. I forbid it, under
penalty of imprisonment."
Wukiutschu
Then I would have peace. I would rest in the glory of my office. I'd be
fanned by Chinese coolies, receive ocean flyers, and attend every banquet.
My pigtail would grow longer and longer, and I would soon forget that I
once was named Hase. And the malcontents would die, and then the world
would be content.
Only then would life be beautiful and dignified.
I am the pathfinder for that. One only has to know nothing like me in order
to believe it firmly and unshakably.
But, as we said, this is all supposition.
For the Chinese would never be dumb enough to believe that I was Wukiutschu
and to name me police chief.
Such stupid people don't exist.
It is all nothing but a fairy tale.
I am not Chinese and I don't live in Shanghai. My name isn't Wukiutschu,
but Hase.
I live in the forest and don't know anything.
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