Jim wrote:
Ken Smith <forget@it.com> wrote
And your Jesus is evidently too busy sodomizing young boys on the
golf course (or, being non-existent) to do anything about it.
and then...
I'm making this point and no other. And you have no answer for it,
as the priests of Ba'al before you.
So the only point is that Jesus is sodomizing boys on the golf course?
Nice snip! But then again, what can you *expect* from a Christian,
other than intentional deception and dishonesty in defense of his god?
At the risk of repeating myself verbatim, I wrote [and you snipped
the business end of it]:
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"You mean, like the anger and deliberate and unconcealed ignorance
and stupidity of Elijah -- who purportedly mocked Ba'al?
This is nothing more than a jocular application of the Ba'al test,
as there isn't even a *BIBLICAL* prohibition against mockery of
false gods (like your Jesus). The priests of Ba'al could have
busted off the same nonsense you are spewing here, to the same
effect.
I'm making this point and no other. And you have no answer for it,
as the priests of Ba'al before you."
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Allow me to reiterate:
I am merely commenting on the fact that the evidence indicates that
Jesus is not around, as was the case with Ba'al. The explanations for
this state of affairs range from the merely bad (Jesus is dead) to the
positively atrocious (he's really an *evil* god, who prefers evil over
good, and practices it himself).
but then---???
I demand PROOF! If your god is who you claim he is, it is not an
unreasonable expectation: if he was willing to "deal direct" with
Thomas, and he is all-powerful, then there are NO impediments to
his extending the same essential courtesy to me.
and then...?
As a recovering ex-Christian, I see the mortal danger you religious
nutters pose to the rest of us, and even our planet.
and then again...
You mean, like: "Jesus f****d me in the *****! He can help you, too!"?
That message might sell well in the Castro, but not for the rest of us.
You seem to be preoccupied with sexual abuse, Ken.
Why do you religious nutters equate homosexual sex with sexual abuse?
To the rest of us sentient adults, it is like eating octopus: Most of
us would rather not, thank you very much -- but others swear by it. And
if Jesus was gay (there are non-frivolous suggestions that he was), what
of it?
Your mind is greatly troubled, your thoughts very confused
Says the religious nutter with the friggin' girder in his eye.... :)
-- thrashing about like
someone consumed by violence without direction. Only bitterness and
obvious hatred shows through in any consistent way. But even that is
not directed clearly at any one object or complaint.
In part, you are angry with God. You accuse Jesus Christ of obscene
acts.
I'm accusing Jesus of nonexistence, and the only explanation that
does not involve his nonexistence is infinitely more sinister. It might
just be me, but I can think of few things more inherently revolting than
the sexual abuse of a child. (If you have a better substitute that we
could agree on, please propose it.)
As for Jesus committing "obscene acts," if your god does exist, he is
certainly complicit in them. But let's redefine them in the context of
Jas. 4:17, and note that millions die of starvation every year. So, why
doesn't your god get off his miserable *****?
Ken, I hate to break it to you, but these are not signs of
recovery and sanity.
Jim, I hate to break it to you, but belief in your sick, make-believe
ancient tribal sky-daddy Jesus is not emblematic of sanity.
Healing and balance does not produce an outflowing of more bitterness
and hatred or an overflowing of violent verbal abuse. All you want to
do is hurt others. You are trying to make people pay for whatever
wrong you feel has been done to you.
No, I'm trying to shock you into actually thinking again, so that you
can free yourself from the bonds of your cult. It's a technique you'll
often see in law school: the professor will say something that seems on
its face to be totally outrageous, you will react, and then, he'll show
you why it isn't really so outrageous after all. It's a variant on the
Socratic method.
The Lord Jesus Christ came to heal and to save.
Ba'al came to heal and to save. Why don't *you* believe in Him?
A great number of
people on this planet have experienced indescribable pain and
suffering. Millions experience it now. If you really want to make
things better, then you might consider how you can reach out to people
in need.
As if you Chrislamists are actually contributing to the sum total of
human happiness -- your latest escapade seems to be in trying to ensure
that two women who just happen to love each other can't enjoy the legal
benefits of matrimony. Where's the love or compassion in THAT?
A man does not need to believe in God in order to be a decent human
being, so far as how he relates to other people. Yet you are showing
us that without God you are like the rest who want only to attack
More like "counter-attack." You're the ones trying to shove your
sick ancient goat-herders' superstition down society's throat.
Sometimes, it seems that the only difference between you and the
Islamists is how far you will go to impose your will upon the rest of us
-- and I wouldn't be surprised that should you continue to fail, you
will become exactly like them.
and destroy
in the name of "truth." To do any good for your cause, Ken,
you must get past the anger and get on with healing. Get involved
with healing others, not wasting your time accusing and acting (I hope
it's acting) like a madman.
And your use of Scripture to support your arguments only makes you
appear pathetic in your rage against God.
You sound exactly like the priests of Ba'al might have in the fairy
story of Elijah in the Bible. Or as Isaac Asimov put it, "it's a poor
nuclear blaster that doesn't point both ways." Because I know and can
wield your Hilarous Writ, I can use it against you to your frustration.
If you have ever truly believed,
Petitio principii.
you should know that God responds to the heart, and not
empty arguments.
"The woman was just asking for it."
People pay attention to verbal argument because we cannot always see
the heart very clearly. But God knows you, Ken. He already knows all
about what troubles you today. And that is what He is responding to
today.
And if your god really loved me, he would get off his ***** and pay me
a visit directly. As such, using the Ba'al test, he is either too dead
or too evil to stop by. There is no third option.
Very likely the Lord is at work in your life right now, even though
you are too busy fighting every expression of faith to notice. And
very likely, He will answer the questions you have honestly asked Him.
But it is up to you to pay attention.
Been there, done that, got the PremiseKeepers' T-shirt. Money talks,
bovine excrement walks.
An angry dog who refuses to eat has only himself to blame when he
starves to death. You must make up your mind about what you really,
really want. Do you only want to be angry, or do you want to know the
truth about God?
If your god wants to convey the truth about himself, he rather knows
where to find me. Your barely sophistic arguments are of the caliber a
priest of Ba'al might have used.
The truth will set you free. And maybe that's what you are afraid of.
Maybe you're not ready to be free of your anger and abuse.
Sing it, High Priest of Baal!
In the mean time, the sun is shining, and the rain is falling. In
some places it is snowing right now. Down on the shores, the waves
are rolling in, one after another, one after another, endlessly.
Life and the majesty of this spectacular universe continues on with or
without you. Your anger changes nothing. Even the damage you might
do will be undone with time and eternity.
And here, I thought the curtain was supposed to close REAL SOON NOW. :)
All you can do is decide whether or not to participate in any
meaningful way. Make the day count for some kind of good, or keep
hiding in that dark shadow of your pointless anger.
Sing it, High Priest of Ba'al!
It may be difficult for you to choose what you really want, but my
choice is easy and clear. Until and unless you have some meaningful
and honest thing to say -- something tied to the real world we all
live in -- I will not respond again or bother to read your ranting.
LOL! We used to call that an "el salvador." Christians always run
when challenged. The priests of Ba'al did the exact same thing, or so
we are told. :)
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