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"_GODS__CREATOR_" |
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20 Apr 2005 03:42:30 AM |
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Re: Josef Cardinal Ratzinger: And so it continues |
Seymour wrote:
And so it continues.
Josef Cardinal Ratzinger will again tell those men infected with the HIV
virus that it is wrong to use a contraceptive while having sex with his
wife.
The teaching of the Roman Catholic Church contributes massively to the
spread of Aids in Africa and this genocide is set to continue.
This is tantamount to MURDER and every single member of the Roman Catholic
Church will have to bear the knowledge that they are partly responsible for
perpetuating this atrocity.
Have a nice day.
Thus Spake God's Creator; (I don't forgive *****!)
That is not only true of Catholicism madness. insane
atrocities are the common denominator of *ALL* religions.
Religious leaders must have poverty and human suffering, to exist.
You will always find poor and ignorant people to be
the most religious... (i.e The Southern parts of America,
Africa and South America.)
Have a nice life...
GOD'S CREATOR
...That was my only sin...
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Wise men face unknowns, and boldly looks for reality!
Others... fall on their hands and knees, and start mumbling...
Todays Religious News:
http://fullcoverage.yahoo.com/Full_Coverage/World/Religion_News/
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| User: "Steve Moody" |
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| Title: Re: Josef Cardinal Ratzinger: And so it continues |
20 Apr 2005 06:40:15 AM |
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In article <WBo9e.9768$sp3.4274@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
_GODS__CREATOR_ <Really_God@Go.Com> wrote:
The teaching of the Roman Catholic Church contributes massively to the
spread of Aids in Africa and this genocide is set to continue.
Those who want to blame a religion on the spread of AIDS in Africa
are preaching a bogus message. But if you insist on pointing your
finger at a religion, you should at least point it as a religion that
does that most to promote that spread of the HIV virus. That religion
is Voodoo. Voodoo "doctors" routinely tell their AIDS patiants that
the only way to be cured of AIDS in to rape a virgin.
As for the Roman Catholic Church (RCC), and its Pope and his role,
since the RCC teaches sex in the marriage and only in the marriage, how
can the epidemic in AIDS be because faithful Catholics obeyed the Pope
in not using condoms since being faithful Catholics, they also have sex
only within the marriage?
And yes, I know that sex is not the only way for AIDS to spread, but
the facts of what is going on in Africa is that it is being spread
through sex - and voodoo "prescribed" rape.
There is plenty to say negative about the RCC, but th spread of AIDS
in Africa has never been the faith of the Pope.
--
Mail to this address will be sent immediately to the trash. To email me, send
it to acoow instead.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Josef Cardinal Ratzinger: And so it continues |
20 Apr 2005 07:57:27 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 07:40:15 -0400, Steve Moody
<walter_mitty@charter.net> wrote:
In article <WBo9e.9768$sp3.4274@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
_GODS__CREATOR_ <Really_God@Go.Com> wrote:
The teaching of the Roman Catholic Church contributes massively to the
spread of Aids in Africa and this genocide is set to continue.
Those who want to blame a religion on the spread of AIDS in Africa
are preaching a bogus message. But if you insist on pointing your
finger at a religion, you should at least point it as a religion that
does that most to promote that spread of the HIV virus. That religion
is Voodoo. Voodoo "doctors" routinely tell their AIDS patiants that
the only way to be cured of AIDS in to rape a virgin.
It's nohing to do with "wanting to blame a religion", and you know it
so why lie? It's all about the Vatican line on birth control being
enforced including their lies about the efficacy of condoms (supported
by the US in its foreign aid policy as the price paid for the RC
church's assistance in overturning the Polish government),
As for the Roman Catholic Church (RCC), and its Pope and his role,
since the RCC teaches sex in the marriage and only in the marriage, how
can the epidemic in AIDS be because faithful Catholics obeyed the Pope
in not using condoms since being faithful Catholics, they also have sex
only within the marriage?
Roman Catholic "teachings" are irrelevant outside the church.
And yes, I know that sex is not the only way for AIDS to spread, but
the facts of what is going on in Africa is that it is being spread
through sex - and voodoo "prescribed" rape.
AND MOST OF ALL THE VATICAN LINE ON CONDOMS.
But then you already know that.
There is plenty to say negative about the RCC, but th spread of AIDS
in Africa has never been the faith of the Pope.
Then why did he prevent the use of condoms to stop its spread?
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| User: "Norma" |
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| Title: Re: Josef Cardinal Ratzinger: And so it continues |
20 Apr 2005 10:06:18 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:d5kc61pjulbq81dgrk8kj4vnlj66kiq85h@4ax.com...
On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 07:40:15 -0400, Steve Moody
<walter_mitty@charter.net> wrote:
In article <WBo9e.9768$sp3.4274@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
_GODS__CREATOR_ <Really_God@Go.Com> wrote:
The teaching of the Roman Catholic Church contributes massively to the
spread of Aids in Africa and this genocide is set to continue.
Those who want to blame a religion on the spread of AIDS in Africa
are preaching a bogus message. But if you insist on pointing your
finger at a religion, you should at least point it as a religion that
does that most to promote that spread of the HIV virus. That religion
is Voodoo. Voodoo "doctors" routinely tell their AIDS patiants that
the only way to be cured of AIDS in to rape a virgin.
It's nohing to do with "wanting to blame a religion", and you know it
so why lie? It's all about the Vatican line on birth control being
enforced including their lies about the efficacy of condoms (supported
by the US in its foreign aid policy as the price paid for the RC
church's assistance in overturning the Polish government),
As for the Roman Catholic Church (RCC), and its Pope and his role,
since the RCC teaches sex in the marriage and only in the marriage, how
can the epidemic in AIDS be because faithful Catholics obeyed the Pope
in not using condoms since being faithful Catholics, they also have sex
only within the marriage?
Roman Catholic "teachings" are irrelevant outside the church.
And yes, I know that sex is not the only way for AIDS to spread, but
the facts of what is going on in Africa is that it is being spread
through sex - and voodoo "prescribed" rape.
AND MOST OF ALL THE VATICAN LINE ON CONDOMS.
But then you already know that.
There is plenty to say negative about the RCC, but th spread of AIDS
in Africa has never been the faith of the Pope.
Then why did he prevent the use of condoms to stop its spread?
Look at it from his perspective of sex "within" marriage only. Two
non-infected partners aren't going to spread it to one another. It is the
multiple sex partner life-style without protection that spreads the disease
sexually.
Those who become infected through needle-sticks, etc. will continue until
the disease is abolished or controlled or treatable. That is not going to
chang with or without the use of condoms.
Norma
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| User: "_GODS__CREATOR_" |
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20 Apr 2005 10:34:53 AM |
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Norma wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:d5kc61pjulbq81dgrk8kj4vnlj66kiq85h@4ax.com...
On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 07:40:15 -0400, Steve Moody
<walter_mitty@charter.net> wrote:
In article <WBo9e.9768$sp3.4274@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
_GODS__CREATOR_ <Really_God@Go.Com> wrote:
The teaching of the Roman Catholic Church contributes massively to the
spread of Aids in Africa and this genocide is set to continue.
Those who want to blame a religion on the spread of AIDS in Africa
are preaching a bogus message. But if you insist on pointing your
finger at a religion, you should at least point it as a religion that
does that most to promote that spread of the HIV virus. That religion
is Voodoo. Voodoo "doctors" routinely tell their AIDS patiants that
the only way to be cured of AIDS in to rape a virgin.
It's nohing to do with "wanting to blame a religion", and you know it
so why lie? It's all about the Vatican line on birth control being
enforced including their lies about the efficacy of condoms (supported
by the US in its foreign aid policy as the price paid for the RC
church's assistance in overturning the Polish government),
As for the Roman Catholic Church (RCC), and its Pope and his role,
since the RCC teaches sex in the marriage and only in the marriage, how
can the epidemic in AIDS be because faithful Catholics obeyed the Pope
in not using condoms since being faithful Catholics, they also have sex
only within the marriage?
Roman Catholic "teachings" are irrelevant outside the church.
And yes, I know that sex is not the only way for AIDS to spread, but
the facts of what is going on in Africa is that it is being spread
through sex - and voodoo "prescribed" rape.
AND MOST OF ALL THE VATICAN LINE ON CONDOMS.
But then you already know that.
There is plenty to say negative about the RCC, but th spread of AIDS
in Africa has never been the faith of the Pope.
Then why did he prevent the use of condoms to stop its spread?
Look at it from his perspective of sex "within" marriage only. Two
non-infected partners aren't going to spread it to one another. It is the
multiple sex partner life-style without protection that spreads the disease
sexually.
Those who become infected through needle-sticks, etc. will continue until
the disease is abolished or controlled or treatable. That is not going to
chang with or without the use of condoms.
Norma
Thus Spake God's Creator; (I don't forgive *****!)
Remember... The Pope John II died of a "Urinary tract infection",
called Gonorrhoeae = *CLAPPS*.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/04/01/MNGCLC1QRS1.DTL
GOD'S CREATOR
...That was my only sin...
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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20 Apr 2005 10:28:15 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:06:18 -0600, "Norma" <njb904@charter.net>
wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:d5kc61pjulbq81dgrk8kj4vnlj66kiq85h@4ax.com...
On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 07:40:15 -0400, Steve Moody
<walter_mitty@charter.net> wrote:
In article <WBo9e.9768$sp3.4274@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
_GODS__CREATOR_ <Really_God@Go.Com> wrote:
The teaching of the Roman Catholic Church contributes massively to the
spread of Aids in Africa and this genocide is set to continue.
Those who want to blame a religion on the spread of AIDS in Africa
are preaching a bogus message. But if you insist on pointing your
finger at a religion, you should at least point it as a religion that
does that most to promote that spread of the HIV virus. That religion
is Voodoo. Voodoo "doctors" routinely tell their AIDS patiants that
the only way to be cured of AIDS in to rape a virgin.
It's nohing to do with "wanting to blame a religion", and you know it
so why lie? It's all about the Vatican line on birth control being
enforced including their lies about the efficacy of condoms (supported
by the US in its foreign aid policy as the price paid for the RC
church's assistance in overturning the Polish government),
As for the Roman Catholic Church (RCC), and its Pope and his role,
since the RCC teaches sex in the marriage and only in the marriage, how
can the epidemic in AIDS be because faithful Catholics obeyed the Pope
in not using condoms since being faithful Catholics, they also have sex
only within the marriage?
Roman Catholic "teachings" are irrelevant outside the church.
And yes, I know that sex is not the only way for AIDS to spread, but
the facts of what is going on in Africa is that it is being spread
through sex - and voodoo "prescribed" rape.
AND MOST OF ALL THE VATICAN LINE ON CONDOMS.
But then you already know that.
There is plenty to say negative about the RCC, but th spread of AIDS
in Africa has never been the faith of the Pope.
Then why did he prevent the use of condoms to stop its spread?
Look at it from his perspective of sex "within" marriage only. Two
His perspective is irrelevant. He needs to use the perspective of his
audience. All he does is show how out of touch he is with reality.
non-infected partners aren't going to spread it to one another. It is the
multiple sex partner life-style without protection that spreads the disease
sexually.
No. It is "unsafe sex". People have sex whether you like it or not -
and whatever your irrelevant doctrines might say.
Preaching abstinence doesn't work. As has been shown by the increased
rates of teenage pregnancy, VD etc in American states that teach it
instead of the facts of life.
Especially when it is done by a senile old man who imagines his
medieval doctrines apply to everybody outside his religion.
Those who become infected through needle-sticks, etc. will continue until
the disease is abolished or controlled or treatable. That is not going to
chang with or without the use of condoms.
BUT MOSTLY IT IS SPREAD BY SEX.
Norma
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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20 Apr 2005 01:18:12 PM |
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on 20 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Norma dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
Then why did he prevent the use of condoms to stop its spread?
Look at it from his perspective of sex "within" marriage only. Two
non-infected partners aren't going to spread it to one another. It is
the multiple sex partner life-style without protection that spreads
the disease sexually.
So cathoholics never sin? What if one of the non-infected partners goes in
for a blood transfusion, and gets some tainted blood. The virus is spread
to his partner. Of course, his partner is unaware of this because she's
having an un-confessed affair with the electrician, who is also a
cathoholic, and he spreads it to his wife. On and on it goes. Condoms can
prevent the spread of AIDS, or at least slow it down drastically. They
also keep the population growth level down.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "Norma" |
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20 Apr 2005 01:38:10 PM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns963E72F8214E2vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 20 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Norma dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
Then why did he prevent the use of condoms to stop its spread?
Look at it from his perspective of sex "within" marriage only. Two
non-infected partners aren't going to spread it to one another. It is
the multiple sex partner life-style without protection that spreads
the disease sexually.
So cathoholics never sin? What if one of the non-infected partners goes
in
for a blood transfusion, and gets some tainted blood. The virus is spread
to his partner. Of course, his partner is unaware of this because she's
having an un-confessed affair with the electrician, who is also a
cathoholic, and he spreads it to his wife. On and on it goes. Condoms
can
prevent the spread of AIDS, or at least slow it down drastically. They
also keep the population growth level down.
Slow down and listen to the facts. Condoms DON'T prevent pregnancy, so they
WON'T prevent AIDS either. Get a grip. Those latex things cause a lot of
problems including unexpected pregnancies/HIV infection, many allergies, and
lots of other things. They are not infallible at all. So let's work for a
cure for AIDs and stop the indiscriminate sex-like all those UN abusers were
doing all over Africa when they raped and worse to the girls/women. Stop
getting so wild about the position of the Pope on using condoms. THEY
aren't and never will be effective in preventing anything!!!
I can give you lots and lots of examples of those who get AIDS unexpectedly
here in the USA, like the 68 year old woman who had been married to a
bi-sexual man for many years. Get the picture????
Norma
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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20 Apr 2005 01:54:05 PM |
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"Norma" <njb904@charter.net> writes:
Condoms DON'T prevent pregnancy, ... Those latex things cause a lot of
problems including unexpected pregnancies
So condoms don't prevent pregnancies - they actually cause pregnancies?
You posting from bizarroworld.com?
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "JTEM" |
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20 Apr 2005 01:49:07 PM |
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"Norma" <njb904@charter.net> wrote
Slow down and listen to the facts. Condoms DON'T prevent
pregnancy, so they WON'T prevent AIDS either.
Of course they do, if used properly.
"Failure rates" for birth control include, "Oh, heck! We're
all out, but let's do it anyway."
Failure rates for birth control pills include "forgetting" or
"missing" a pill.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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20 Apr 2005 02:01:15 PM |
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"Norma" <njb904@charter.net> wrote in message
news:hkx9e.4324$Gq6.2572@fe02.lga...
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns963E72F8214E2vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 20 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Norma dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
Then why did he prevent the use of condoms to stop its spread?
Look at it from his perspective of sex "within" marriage only. Two
non-infected partners aren't going to spread it to one another. It is
the multiple sex partner life-style without protection that spreads
the disease sexually.
So cathoholics never sin? What if one of the non-infected partners goes
in
for a blood transfusion, and gets some tainted blood. The virus is
spread
to his partner. Of course, his partner is unaware of this because she's
having an un-confessed affair with the electrician, who is also a
cathoholic, and he spreads it to his wife. On and on it goes. Condoms
can
prevent the spread of AIDS, or at least slow it down drastically. They
also keep the population growth level down.
Slow down and listen to the facts. Condoms DON'T prevent pregnancy
Failed health class, huh?
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Bride of Satan
#1557
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| User: "Norma" |
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20 Apr 2005 02:03:33 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3cnn78F6lfoc2U1@individual.net...
"Norma" <njb904@charter.net> wrote in message
news:hkx9e.4324$Gq6.2572@fe02.lga...
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns963E72F8214E2vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 20 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Norma dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then
shouted:
Then why did he prevent the use of condoms to stop its spread?
Look at it from his perspective of sex "within" marriage only. Two
non-infected partners aren't going to spread it to one another. It is
the multiple sex partner life-style without protection that spreads
the disease sexually.
So cathoholics never sin? What if one of the non-infected partners
goes
in
for a blood transfusion, and gets some tainted blood. The virus is
spread
to his partner. Of course, his partner is unaware of this because
she's
having an un-confessed affair with the electrician, who is also a
cathoholic, and he spreads it to his wife. On and on it goes. Condoms
can
prevent the spread of AIDS, or at least slow it down drastically. They
also keep the population growth level down.
Slow down and listen to the facts. Condoms DON'T prevent pregnancy
Failed health class, huh?
No, just a very experienced health care professional. I think you had
better examine what you "think" you know about condoms.
Norma
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Bride of Satan
#1557
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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20 Apr 2005 02:08:22 PM |
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on 20 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Norma dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3cnn78F6lfoc2U1@individual.net...
"Norma" <njb904@charter.net> wrote in message
news:hkx9e.4324$Gq6.2572@fe02.lga...
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns963E72F8214E2vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 20 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Norma dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then
shouted:
Then why did he prevent the use of condoms to stop its spread?
Look at it from his perspective of sex "within" marriage only.
Two non-infected partners aren't going to spread it to one
another. It is the multiple sex partner life-style without
protection that spreads the disease sexually.
So cathoholics never sin? What if one of the non-infected
partners goes
in
for a blood transfusion, and gets some tainted blood. The virus
is
spread
to his partner. Of course, his partner is unaware of this because
she's
having an un-confessed affair with the electrician, who is also a
cathoholic, and he spreads it to his wife. On and on it goes.
Condoms can
prevent the spread of AIDS, or at least slow it down drastically.
They also keep the population growth level down.
Slow down and listen to the facts. Condoms DON'T prevent pregnancy
Failed health class, huh?
No, just a very experienced health care professional. I think you
had better examine what you "think" you know about condoms.
Experienced in what? Bedpan cleaning?
Use of latex condoms will prevent pregnancy when the user is educated in
the proper use of the prophylactic. Sheepskin condoms do have pores large
enough for HIV to travel through. Not true of latex. Do read up a little
on the subject before you make a fool of yourself in public.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "Norma" |
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| Title: Re: Josef Cardinal Ratzinger: And so it continues |
20 Apr 2005 02:13:57 PM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns963E7B7A15454vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 20 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Norma dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3cnn78F6lfoc2U1@individual.net...
"Norma" <njb904@charter.net> wrote in message
news:hkx9e.4324$Gq6.2572@fe02.lga...
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns963E72F8214E2vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 20 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Norma dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then
shouted:
Then why did he prevent the use of condoms to stop its spread?
Look at it from his perspective of sex "within" marriage only.
Two non-infected partners aren't going to spread it to one
another. It is the multiple sex partner life-style without
protection that spreads the disease sexually.
So cathoholics never sin? What if one of the non-infected
partners goes
in
for a blood transfusion, and gets some tainted blood. The virus
is
spread
to his partner. Of course, his partner is unaware of this because
she's
having an un-confessed affair with the electrician, who is also a
cathoholic, and he spreads it to his wife. On and on it goes.
Condoms can
prevent the spread of AIDS, or at least slow it down drastically.
They also keep the population growth level down.
Slow down and listen to the facts. Condoms DON'T prevent pregnancy
Failed health class, huh?
No, just a very experienced health care professional. I think you
had better examine what you "think" you know about condoms.
Experienced in what? Bedpan cleaning?
Use of latex condoms will prevent pregnancy when the user is educated in
the proper use of the prophylactic. Sheepskin condoms do have pores large
enough for HIV to travel through. Not true of latex. Do read up a little
on the subject before you make a fool of yourself in public.
Believe me I know much more than you apparently think. Those who should be
using them, often use them incorrectly, multiple times, etc, etc. You
aren't ealing with a very knowledgeable part of the population when you
speak of preventing anything. Many times, those who need to know about
this, know nothing and it is the crux of the problem. So just the "use" of
condoms isn't the answer.
If you want to speak of AIDS prevention, then having sex with the same
uninfected partner will prevent it.
Norma
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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20 Apr 2005 09:01:39 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 13:13:57 -0600 the ET form known as
Norma<njb904@charter.net> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns963E7B7A15454vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 20 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Norma dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3cnn78F6lfoc2U1@individual.net...
"Norma" <njb904@charter.net> wrote in message
news:hkx9e.4324$Gq6.2572@fe02.lga...
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns963E72F8214E2vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 20 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Norma dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then
shouted:
Then why did he prevent the use of condoms to stop its spread?
Look at it from his perspective of sex "within" marriage only.
Two non-infected partners aren't going to spread it to one
another. It is the multiple sex partner life-style without
protection that spreads the disease sexually.
So cathoholics never sin? What if one of the non-infected
partners goes
in
for a blood transfusion, and gets some tainted blood. The virus
is
spread
to his partner. Of course, his partner is unaware of this because
she's
having an un-confessed affair with the electrician, who is also a
cathoholic, and he spreads it to his wife. On and on it goes.
Condoms can
prevent the spread of AIDS, or at least slow it down drastically.
They also keep the population growth level down.
Slow down and listen to the facts. Condoms DON'T prevent pregnancy
Failed health class, huh?
No, just a very experienced health care professional. I think you
had better examine what you "think" you know about condoms.
Experienced in what? Bedpan cleaning?
Use of latex condoms will prevent pregnancy when the user is educated in
the proper use of the prophylactic. Sheepskin condoms do have pores large
enough for HIV to travel through. Not true of latex. Do read up a little
on the subject before you make a fool of yourself in public.
Believe me I know much more than you apparently think. Those who should be
using them, often use them incorrectly, multiple times, etc, etc. You
aren't ealing with a very knowledgeable part of the population when you
speak of preventing anything. Many times, those who need to know about
this, know nothing and it is the crux of the problem. So just the "use" of
condoms isn't the answer.
Still the statistical outcomes are BETTER.
If you want to speak of AIDS prevention, then having sex with the same
uninfected partner will prevent it.
Norma
Ignorance comes in two flavours Norma, mere and pig. Mere ignorance is
no crime but pig ignorance is what you have displayed.
--
rot13
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
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20 Apr 2005 02:21:51 PM |
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on 20 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Norma dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
Use of latex condoms will prevent pregnancy when the user is educated
in the proper use of the prophylactic. Sheepskin condoms do have
pores large enough for HIV to travel through. Not true of latex. Do
read up a little on the subject before you make a fool of yourself in
public.
Believe me I know much more than you apparently think.
Apparently you do not.
http://www.condoms4life.org/facts/CondomsAndAIDS.htm
"In the US, some conservative political forces have hijacked the condom
issue to advance their own political agenda, namely, the idea that sexual
abstinence before marriage and sex within marriage are the only forms of
sexual expression that should be sanctioned by society. The debate became
public this summer when the US National Institutes of Health released a
long-awaited report on the effectiveness of condoms. While confirming that
condoms are effective in preventing HIV and gonorrhea, the report said that
there is less evidence available that condoms effectively protect against
other non-fatal STDs such as human papillomavirus, chlamydia, syphilis, and
genital herpes.6 Despite the report’s affirmation of the effectiveness of
condoms in preventing AIDS, conservatives immediately seized on the report
to charge that public health officials had been falsely proclaiming the
effectiveness of condoms and safe sex programs."
Assuming you are posting from alt.religion.christian, as the headers
suggest, the above is where you are coming from. Deny it as you may, but I
have not seen one qualified doctor scourge the use of condoms as you do.
Your religious agenda is akin to murder, you know that don't you?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "Norma" |
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| Title: Re: Josef Cardinal Ratzinger: And so it continues |
20 Apr 2005 02:57:59 PM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns963E7DC3054Fvicman@127.0.0.1...
on 20 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Norma dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
Use of latex condoms will prevent pregnancy when the user is educated
in the proper use of the prophylactic. Sheepskin condoms do have
pores large enough for HIV to travel through. Not true of latex. Do
read up a little on the subject before you make a fool of yourself in
public.
Believe me I know much more than you apparently think.
Apparently you do not.
http://www.condoms4life.org/facts/CondomsAndAIDS.htm
"In the US, some conservative political forces have hijacked the condom
issue to advance their own political agenda, namely, the idea that sexual
abstinence before marriage and sex within marriage are the only forms of
sexual expression that should be sanctioned by society. The debate became
public this summer when the US National Institutes of Health released a
long-awaited report on the effectiveness of condoms. While confirming that
condoms are effective in preventing HIV and gonorrhea, the report said
that
there is less evidence available that condoms effectively protect against
other non-fatal STDs such as human papillomavirus, chlamydia, syphilis,
and
genital herpes.6 Despite the report's affirmation of the effectiveness of
condoms in preventing AIDS, conservatives immediately seized on the report
to charge that public health officials had been falsely proclaiming the
effectiveness of condoms and safe sex programs."
Assuming you are posting from alt.religion.christian, as the headers
suggest, the above is where you are coming from. Deny it as you may, but
I
have not seen one qualified doctor scourge the use of condoms as you do.
Your religious agenda is akin to murder, you know that don't you?
Nope, I don't post from there, and I have no idea where you got that idea.
(actually this might be the atheism group???) I have workd with the
docs/nurse practiioners in planned parenthood and seen all the disasters of
re-using condoms, having them slip off and proceeding anyway, and many, many
similar circumstances with those who drinkingg, using drugs, and simply
can't afford a new supply, have failed and faile over and over. The
incidents of STDs etc, with this population--a vey large one and the one
coming up and the ones who need to be reached--don't obtain anything like
you speak of. So how are the condoms going to work in the illiterate
countries/continents again? (Whe birth control pills were handed out freely,
the women in Africa and Asia strung them and used them as prayer beads. Too
bad that didn't work either.)
Now if you want to speak of any Westernized adult professional/career group,
well, even there there are many failures, as we see in our specialty
clinics.
Norma
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "Jon." |
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| Title: Re: Josef Cardinal Ratzinger: And so it continues |
20 Apr 2005 04:05:26 PM |
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Norma wrote:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns963E7DC3054Fvicman@127.0.0.1...
on 20 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Norma dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then
shouted:
Use of latex condoms will prevent pregnancy when the user is
educated
in the proper use of the prophylactic. Sheepskin condoms do have
pores large enough for HIV to travel through. Not true of latex.
Do
read up a little on the subject before you make a fool of
yourself in
public.
Believe me I know much more than you apparently think.
Apparently you do not.
http://www.condoms4life.org/facts/CondomsAndAIDS.htm
"In the US, some conservative political forces have hijacked the
condom
issue to advance their own political agenda, namely, the idea that
sexual
abstinence before marriage and sex within marriage are the only
forms of
sexual expression that should be sanctioned by society. The debate
became
public this summer when the US National Institutes of Health
released a
long-awaited report on the effectiveness of condoms. While
confirming that
condoms are effective in preventing HIV and gonorrhea, the report
said
that
there is less evidence available that condoms effectively protect
against
other non-fatal STDs such as human papillomavirus, chlamydia,
syphilis,
and
genital herpes.6 Despite the report's affirmation of the
effectiveness of
condoms in preventing AIDS, conservatives immediately seized on the
report
to charge that public health officials had been falsely proclaiming
the
effectiveness of condoms and safe sex programs."
Assuming you are posting from alt.religion.christian, as the
headers
suggest, the above is where you are coming from. Deny it as you
may, but
I
have not seen one qualified doctor scourge the use of condoms as
you do.
Your religious agenda is akin to murder, you know that don't you?
Nope, I don't post from there, and I have no idea where you got that
idea.
(actually this might be the atheism group???) I have workd with the
docs/nurse practiioners in planned parenthood and seen all the
disasters of
re-using condoms, having them slip off and proceeding anyway, and
many, many
similar circumstances with those who drinkingg, using drugs, and
simply
can't afford a new supply, have failed and faile over and over. The
incidents of STDs etc, with this population--a vey large one and the
one
coming up and the ones who need to be reached--don't obtain anything
like
you speak of. So how are the condoms going to work in the illiterate
countries/continents again? (Whe birth control pills were handed out
freely,
the women in Africa and Asia strung them and used them as prayer
beads. Too
bad that didn't work either.)
Now if you want to speak of any Westernized adult professional/career
group,
well, even there there are many failures, as we see in our specialty
clinics.
The perfect is the enemy of the good.
You don't want people to use condoms because sometimes they don't work.
Well, once in a while, I have a day where it wasn't worth it to get
out of bed. Should I stay in bed all day (with or without a good
supply of condoms)? Of course not! Or, to choose an example that may
be closer to your heart, prayer doesn't always work (in the sense of
getting what you prayed for). Are you going to stop praying?
Obviously, if a condom slips off, or breaks, or otherwise fails, it
will be ineffective in preventing pregnancy or AIDS. But all the times
when it works properly, it will prevent pregnancy and AIDS. Surely we
can agree on that. And, as Vic said, promoting condom use in
AIDS-stricken areas will help (note - help) to reduce (note - not
eliminate) the spread of AIDS. Surely we can agree that that would be
a good thing.
Abstinence and monogamy are also helpful in reducing the spread of
AIDS. If the RCC wants to promote them, that is helpful. But to
condemn the use of condoms, when condom use will help, is evil.
Jon.
aa #703
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| User: "Norma" |
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| Title: Re: Josef Cardinal Ratzinger: And so it continues |
20 Apr 2005 04:14:43 PM |
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"Jon." <jd_waller@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1114028698.876344.113960@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Norma wrote:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns963E7DC3054Fvicman@127.0.0.1...
on 20 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Norma dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then
shouted:
Use of latex condoms will prevent pregnancy when the user is
educated
in the proper use of the prophylactic. Sheepskin condoms do have
pores large enough for HIV to travel through. Not true of latex.
Do
read up a little on the subject before you make a fool of
yourself in
public.
Believe me I know much more than you apparently think.
Apparently you do not.
http://www.condoms4life.org/facts/CondomsAndAIDS.htm
"In the US, some conservative political forces have hijacked the
condom
issue to advance their own political agenda, namely, the idea that
sexual
abstinence before marriage and sex within marriage are the only
forms of
sexual expression that should be sanctioned by society. The debate
became
public this summer when the US National Institutes of Health
released a
long-awaited report on the effectiveness of condoms. While
confirming that
condoms are effective in preventing HIV and gonorrhea, the report
said
that
there is less evidence available that condoms effectively protect
against
other non-fatal STDs such as human papillomavirus, chlamydia,
syphilis,
and
genital herpes.6 Despite the report's affirmation of the
effectiveness of
condoms in preventing AIDS, conservatives immediately seized on the
report
to charge that public health officials had been falsely proclaiming
the
effectiveness of condoms and safe sex programs."
Assuming you are posting from alt.religion.christian, as the
headers
suggest, the above is where you are coming from. Deny it as you
may, but
I
have not seen one qualified doctor scourge the use of condoms as
you do.
Your religious agenda is akin to murder, you know that don't you?
Nope, I don't post from there, and I have no idea where you got that
idea.
(actually this might be the atheism group???) I have workd with the
docs/nurse practiioners in planned parenthood and seen all the
disasters of
re-using condoms, having them slip off and proceeding anyway, and
many, many
similar circumstances with those who drinkingg, using drugs, and
simply
can't afford a new supply, have failed and faile over and over. The
incidents of STDs etc, with this population--a vey large one and the
one
coming up and the ones who need to be reached--don't obtain anything
like
you speak of. So how are the condoms going to work in the illiterate
countries/continents again? (Whe birth control pills were handed out
freely,
the women in Africa and Asia strung them and used them as prayer
beads. Too
bad that didn't work either.)
Now if you want to speak of any Westernized adult professional/career
group,
well, even there there are many failures, as we see in our specialty
clinics.
The perfect is the enemy of the good.
You don't want people to use condoms because sometimes they don't work.
Well, once in a while, I have a day where it wasn't worth it to get
out of bed. Should I stay in bed all day (with or without a good
supply of condoms)? Of course not! Or, to choose an example that may
be closer to your heart, prayer doesn't always work (in the sense of
getting what you prayed for). Are you going to stop praying?
Obviously, if a condom slips off, or breaks, or otherwise fails, it
will be ineffective in preventing pregnancy or AIDS. But all the times
when it works properly, it will prevent pregnancy and AIDS. Surely we
can agree on that. And, as Vic said, promoting condom use in
AIDS-stricken areas will help (note - help) to reduce (note - not
eliminate) the spread of AIDS. Surely we can agree that that would be
a good thing.
Abstinence and monogamy are also helpful in reducing the spread of
AIDS. If the RCC wants to promote them, that is helpful. But to
condemn the use of condoms, when condom use will help, is evil.
Wait a minute, I didn't condemn their use, I was conjecturing why he did not
encourage it. I don't believe JPII or Benedict SVI would condemn them to
prevent AIDS/HIV infection in lots of situations or to reproduce in the face
of the odds being that a defective child would be born. Their statement was
that they didn't approve or verbally condone their use. I am not a
Catholic, but my friends who are, state that exceptions are often made. So
why all the hullaballoo?
Condoms are also now used by rapists/ sexual abusers to avoid being
identified. This will be a big thing with the use of DNA in courts. Tell
me this won't lead to lots of other things.
The use of condoms isn't a one-sided or simple issue. The general statement
was made to not endorse their use. What you can't "see" is that there may
be instances when exceptions would be made and, even encouraged. However it
still stands that the use of condoms is used for illicit sex more than for
anything else, because they are not predicably accurate enough. To prevent
pregnance, certainly, there are much better ways.
So let's grow this issue a little more and drag it out more and more and see
how complex it can get. Maybe you hadn't considered the criminal use of
these things by rapists/abusers, but it is becoming the thing to do.
The only ways to totally eliminate AIDS is to stop having unprotected
sex/sharing blood or to find a cure/treatment. How hard is that to figure
out?
Norma
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| User: "Norma" |
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| Title: Re: Josef Cardinal Ratzinger: And so it continues |
20 Apr 2005 04:17:39 PM |
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"Norma" <njb904@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1Dz9e.10679$c42.6424@fe07.lga...
"Jon." <jd_waller@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1114028698.876344.113960@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Norma wrote:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns963E7DC3054Fvicman@127.0.0.1...
on 20 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Norma dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then
shouted:
Use of latex condoms will prevent pregnancy when the user is
educated
in the proper use of the prophylactic. Sheepskin condoms do have
pores large enough for HIV to travel through. Not true of latex.
Do
read up a little on the subject before you make a fool of
yourself in
public.
Believe me I know much more than you apparently think.
Apparently you do not.
http://www.condoms4life.org/facts/CondomsAndAIDS.htm
"In the US, some conservative political forces have hijacked the
condom
issue to advance their own political agenda, namely, the idea that
sexual
abstinence before marriage and sex within marriage are the only
forms of
sexual expression that should be sanctioned by society. The debate
became
public this summer when the US National Institutes of Health
released a
long-awaited report on the effectiveness of condoms. While
confirming that
condoms are effective in preventing HIV and gonorrhea, the report
said
that
there is less evidence available that condoms effectively protect
against
other non-fatal STDs such as human papillomavirus, chlamydia,
syphilis,
and
genital herpes.6 Despite the report's affirmation of the
effectiveness of
condoms in preventing AIDS, conservatives immediately seized on the
report
to charge that public health officials had been falsely proclaiming
the
effectiveness of condoms and safe sex programs."
Assuming you are posting from alt.religion.christian, as the
headers
suggest, the above is where you are coming from. Deny it as you
may, but
I
have not seen one qualified doctor scourge the use of condoms as
you do.
Your religious agenda is akin to murder, you know that don't you?
Nope, I don't post from there, and I have no idea where you got that
idea.
(actually this might be the atheism group???) I have workd with the
docs/nurse practiioners in planned parenthood and seen all the
disasters of
re-using condoms, having them slip off and proceeding anyway, and
many, many
similar circumstances with those who drinkingg, using drugs, and
simply
can't afford a new supply, have failed and faile over and over. The
incidents of STDs etc, with this population--a vey large one and the
one
coming up and the ones who need to be reached--don't obtain anything
like
you speak of. So how are the condoms going to work in the illiterate
countries/continents again? (Whe birth control pills were handed out
freely,
the women in Africa and Asia strung them and used them as prayer
beads. Too
bad that didn't work either.)
Now if you want to speak of any Westernized adult professional/career
group,
well, even there there are many failures, as we see in our specialty
clinics.
The perfect is the enemy of the good.
You don't want people to use condoms because sometimes they don't work.
Well, once in a while, I have a day where it wasn't worth it to get
out of bed. Should I stay in bed all day (with or without a good
supply of condoms)? Of course not! Or, to choose an example that may
be closer to your heart, prayer doesn't always work (in the sense of
getting what you prayed for). Are you going to stop praying?
Obviously, if a condom slips off, or breaks, or otherwise fails, it
will be ineffective in preventing pregnancy or AIDS. But all the times
when it works properly, it will prevent pregnancy and AIDS. Surely we
can agree on that. And, as Vic said, promoting condom use in
AIDS-stricken areas will help (note - help) to reduce (note - not
eliminate) the spread of AIDS. Surely we can agree that that would be
a good thing.
Abstinence and monogamy are also helpful in reducing the spread of
AIDS. If the RCC wants to promote them, that is helpful. But to
condemn the use of condoms, when condom use will help, is evil.
Wait a minute, I didn't condemn their use, I was conjecturing why he did
not encourage it. I don't believe JPII or Benedict SVI would condemn them
to prevent AIDS/HIV infection in lots of situations or to reproduce in the
face of the odds being that a defective child would be born. Their
statement was that they didn't approve or verbally condone their use. I
am not a Catholic, but my friends who are, state that exceptions are often
made. So why all the hullaballoo?
Condoms are also now used by rapists/ sexual abusers to avoid being
identified. This will be a big thing with the use of DNA in courts. Tell
me this won't lead to lots of other things.
The use of condoms isn't a one-sided or simple issue. The general
statement was made to not endorse their use. What you can't "see" is that
there may be instances when exceptions would be made and, even encouraged.
However it still stands that the use of condoms is used for illicit sex
more than for anything else, because they are not predicably accurate
enough. To prevent pregnance, certainly, there are much better ways.
So let's grow this issue a little more and drag it out more and more and
see how complex it can get. Maybe you hadn't considered the criminal use
of these things by rapists/abusers, but it is becoming the thing to do.
The only ways to totally eliminate AIDS is to stop having unprotected
sex/sharing blood or to find a cure/treatment. How hard is that to
figure out?
Norma
An additional statement from me is that having unprotected sex in light of
the use of chemicals of all kinds, criminal acts, etc. is unlikely to happen
either. Once the judgement is impaired, emotion takes over, or the intent
is set--it is going to happen no matter who approves of what.
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21 Apr 2005 12:16:58 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:17:39 -0600 the ET form known as
Norma<njb904@charter.net> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
"Norma" <njb904@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1Dz9e.10679$c42.6424@fe07.lga...
"Jon." <jd_waller@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1114028698.876344.113960@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Norma wrote:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns963E7DC3054Fvicman@127.0.0.1...
on 20 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Norma dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then
shouted:
Use of latex condoms will prevent pregnancy when the user is
educated
in the proper use of the prophylactic. Sheepskin condoms do have
pores large enough for HIV to travel through. Not true of latex.
Do
read up a little on the subject before you make a fool of
yourself in
public.
Believe me I know much more than you apparently think.
Apparently you do not.
http://www.condoms4life.org/facts/CondomsAndAIDS.htm
"In the US, some conservative political forces have hijacked the
condom
issue to advance their own political agenda, namely, the idea that
sexual
abstinence before marriage and sex within marriage are the only
forms of
sexual expression that should be sanctioned by society. The debate
became
public this summer when the US National Institutes of Health
released a
long-awaited report on the effectiveness of condoms. While
confirming that
condoms are effective in preventing HIV and gonorrhea, the report
said
that
there is less evidence available that condoms effectively protect
against
other non-fatal STDs such as human papillomavirus, chlamydia,
syphilis,
and
genital herpes.6 Despite the report's affirmation of the
effectiveness of
condoms in preventing AIDS, conservatives immediately seized on the
report
to charge that public health officials had been falsely proclaiming
the
effectiveness of condoms and safe sex programs."
Assuming you are posting from alt.religion.christian, as the
headers
suggest, the above is where you are coming from. Deny it as you
may, but
I
have not seen one qualified doctor scourge the use of condoms as
you do.
Your religious agenda is akin to murder, you know that don't you?
Nope, I don't post from there, and I have no idea where you got that
idea.
(actually this might be the atheism group???) I have workd with the
docs/nurse practiioners in planned parenthood and seen all the
disasters of
re-using condoms, having them slip off and proceeding anyway, and
many, many
similar circumstances with those who drinkingg, using drugs, and
simply
can't afford a new supply, have failed and faile over and over. The
incidents of STDs etc, with this population--a vey large one and the
one
coming up and the ones who need to be reached--don't obtain anything
like
you speak of. So how are the condoms going to work in the illiterate
countries/continents again? (Whe birth control pills were handed out
freely,
the women in Africa and Asia strung them and used them as prayer
beads. Too
bad that didn't work either.)
Now if you want to speak of any Westernized adult professional/career
group,
well, even there there are many failures, as we see in our specialty
clinics.
The perfect is the enemy of the good.
You don't want people to use condoms because sometimes they don't work.
Well, once in a while, I have a day where it wasn't worth it to get
out of bed. Should I stay in bed all day (with or without a good
supply of condoms)? Of course not! Or, to choose an example that may
be closer to your heart, prayer doesn't always work (in the sense of
getting what you prayed for). Are you going to stop praying?
Obviously, if a condom slips off, or breaks, or otherwise fails, it
will be ineffective in preventing pregnancy or AIDS. But all the times
when it works properly, it will prevent pregnancy and AIDS. Surely we
can agree on that. And, as Vic said, promoting condom use in
AIDS-stricken areas will help (note - help) to reduce (note - not
eliminate) the spread of AIDS. Surely we can agree that that would be
a good thing.
Abstinence and monogamy are also helpful in reducing the spread of
AIDS. If the RCC wants to promote them, that is helpful. But to
condemn the use of condoms, when condom use will help, is evil.
Wait a minute, I didn't condemn their use, I was conjecturing why he did
not encourage it. I don't believe JPII or Benedict SVI would condemn them
to prevent AIDS/HIV infection in lots of situations or to reproduce in the
face of the odds being that a defective child would be born. Their
statement was that they didn't approve or verbally condone their use. I
am not a Catholic, but my friends who are, state that exceptions are often
made. So why all the hullaballoo?
Condoms are also now used by rapists/ sexual abusers to avoid being
identified. This will be a big thing with the use of DNA in courts. Tell
me this won't lead to lots of other things.
The use of condoms isn't a one-sided or simple issue. The general
statement was made to not endorse their use. What you can't "see" is that
there may be instances when exceptions would be made and, even encouraged.
However it still stands that the use of condoms is used for illicit sex
more than for anything else, because they are not predicably accurate
enough. To prevent pregnance, certainly, there are much better ways.
So let's grow this issue a little more and drag it out more and more and
see how complex it can get. Maybe you hadn't considered the criminal use
of these things by rapists/abusers, but it is becoming the thing to do.
The only ways to totally eliminate AIDS is to stop having unprotected
sex/sharing blood or to find a cure/treatment. How hard is that to
figure out?
Norma
An additional statement from me is that having unprotected sex in light of
the use of chemicals of all kinds, criminal acts, etc. is unlikely to happen
either. Once the judgement is impaired, emotion takes over, or the intent
is set--it is going to happen no matter who approves of what.
So you are now making the case for condoms?
--
rot13
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
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20 Apr 2005 05:14:37 PM |
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Norma wrote:
"Jon." <jd_waller@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1114028698.876344.113960@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Norma wrote:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns963E7DC3054Fvicman@127.0.0.1...
on 20 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Norma dropped trou, farted,
whirled,
then
shouted:
Use of latex condoms will prevent pregnancy when the user is
educated
in the proper use of the prophylactic. Sheepskin condoms do
have
pores large enough for HIV to travel through. Not true of
latex.
Do
read up a little on the subject before you make a fool of
yourself in
public.
Believe me I know much more than you apparently think.
Apparently you do not.
http://www.condoms4life.org/facts/CondomsAndAIDS.htm
"In the US, some conservative political forces have hijacked the
condom
issue to advance their own political agenda, namely, the idea
that
sexual
abstinence before marriage and sex within marriage are the only
forms of
sexual expression that should be sanctioned by society. The
debate
became
public this summer when the US National Institutes of Health
released a
long-awaited report on the effectiveness of condoms. While
confirming that
condoms are effective in preventing HIV and gonorrhea, the
report
said
that
there is less evidence available that condoms effectively
protect
against
other non-fatal STDs such as human papillomavirus, chlamydia,
syphilis,
and
genital herpes.6 Despite the report's affirmation of the
effectiveness of
condoms in preventing AIDS, conservatives immediately seized on
the
report
to charge that public health officials had been falsely
proclaiming
the
effectiveness of condoms and safe sex programs."
Assuming you are posting from alt.religion.christian, as the
headers
suggest, the above is where you are coming from. Deny it as you
may, but
I
have not seen one qualified doctor scourge the use of condoms as
you do.
Your religious agenda is akin to murder, you know that don't
you?
Nope, I don't post from there, and I have no idea where you got
that
idea.
(actually this might be the atheism group???) I have workd with
the
docs/nurse practiioners in planned parenthood and seen all the
disasters of
re-using condoms, having them slip off and proceeding anyway, and
many, many
similar circumstances with those who drinkingg, using drugs, and
simply
can't afford a new supply, have failed and faile over and over.
The
incidents of STDs etc, with this population--a vey large one and
the
one
coming up and the ones who need to be reached--don't obtain
anything
like
you speak of. So how are the condoms going to work in the
illiterate
countries/continents again? (Whe birth control pills were handed
out
freely,
the women in Africa and Asia strung them and used them as prayer
beads. Too
bad that didn't work either.)
Now if you want to speak of any Westernized adult
professional/career
group,
well, even there there are many failures, as we see in our
specialty
clinics.
The perfect is the enemy of the good.
You don't want people to use condoms because sometimes they don't
work.
Well, once in a while, I have a day where it wasn't worth it to get
out of bed. Should I stay in bed all day (with or without a good
supply of condoms)? Of course not! Or, to choose an example that
may
be closer to your heart, prayer doesn't always work (in the sense
of
getting what you prayed for). Are you going to stop praying?
Obviously, if a condom slips off, or breaks, or otherwise fails, it
will be ineffective in preventing pregnancy or AIDS. But all the
times
when it works properly, it will prevent pregnancy and AIDS. Surely
we
can agree on that. And, as Vic said, promoting condom use in
AIDS-stricken areas will help (note - help) to reduce (note - not
eliminate) the spread of AIDS. Surely we can agree that that would
be
a good thing.
Abstinence and monogamy are also helpful in reducing the spread of
AIDS. If the RCC wants to promote them, that is helpful. But to
condemn the use of condoms, when condom use will help, is evil.
Wait a minute, I didn't condemn their use, I was conjecturing why he
did not
encourage it. I don't believe JPII or Benedict SVI would condemn
them to
prevent AIDS/HIV infection in lots of situations or to reproduce in
the face
of the odds being that a defective child would be born. Their
statement was
that they didn't approve or verbally condone their use. I am not a
Catholic, but my friends who are, state that exceptions are often
made. So
why all the hullaballoo?
Uh, no. I understand the official position of the RCC, set out by JPII
in a document probably largely written by Ratzinger, is that no-one
should use contraception, *even* if the only intent is to prevent the
spread of sexually transmitted diseases. It's not that they "didn't
approve or verbally condone their use", they are actually preaching
against their use.
Condoms are also now used by rapists/ sexual abusers to avoid being
identified. This will be a big thing with the use of DNA in courts.
Tell
me this won't lead to lots of other things.
Irrelevant.
The use of condoms isn't a one-sided or simple issue. The general
statement
was made to not endorse their use. What you can't "see" is that
there may
be instances when exceptions would be made and, even encouraged.
However it
still stands that the use of condoms is used for illicit sex more
than for
anything else, because they are not predicably accurate enough. To
prevent
pregnance, certainly, there are much better ways.
Not always. My wife and I used condoms after the birth of our first
child, until we were ready for a second, and they worked just fine.
For various reasons, other birth control options weren't right for us.
So let's grow this issue a little more and drag it out more and more
and see
how complex it can get. Maybe you hadn't considered the criminal use
of
these things by rapists/abusers, but it is becoming the thing to do.
What is the relevance of "criminal use of these things [condoms]"???
Criminals use all sorts of things, including computers and the
internet, in the commission of their crimes. Does that make those
things bad or worthless?
The only ways to totally eliminate AIDS is to stop having unprotected
sex/sharing blood or to find a cure/treatment. How hard is that to
figure
out?
I got it, I got it. If you will read my post (and Vic's, and others)
carefully, you will see no claims that condoms will "totally eliminate
AIDS". There is, however, no reason to try to stop people from using
them, and no reason not to teach people how to use them properly. But
these are the positions of the RCC (and the Bush administration, but
that's another topic). Rather than teaching responsible sexual
behaviour (ie. don't sleep around, but if you do, or if you have slept
around, use a condom), they just try to preach a pious, twisted
morality. They are standing by and letting a tragedy unfold, when they
could be helping people avoid it. That's evil.
Jon.
aa #703
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20 Apr 2005 03:09:33 PM |
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on 20 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Norma dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
Nope, I don't post from there, and I have no idea where you got that
idea. (actually this might be the atheism group???) I have workd with
the docs/nurse practiioners in planned parenthood and seen all the
disasters of re-using condoms, having them slip off and proceeding
anyway, and many, many similar circumstances with those who drinkingg,
using drugs, and simply can't afford a new supply, have failed and
faile over and over. The incidents of STDs etc, with this
population--a vey large one and the one coming up and the ones who
need to be reached--don't obtain anything like you speak of. So how
are the condoms going to work in the illiterate countries/continents
again? (Whe birth control pills were handed out freely, the women in
Africa and Asia strung them and used them as prayer beads. Too bad
that didn't work either.)
I see. Now you are moving the goalposts. Now you are agreeing that it is
human error that affects the effectiveness of condom use. Interesting....
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
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As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
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20 Apr 2005 03:18:42 PM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns963E85D9079F4vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 20 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Norma dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
Nope, I don't post from there, and I have no idea where you got that
idea. (actually this might be the atheism group???) I have workd with
the docs/nurse practiioners in planned parenthood and seen all the
disasters of re-using condoms, having them slip off and proceeding
anyway, and many, many similar circumstances with those who drinkingg,
using drugs, and simply can't afford a new supply, have failed and
faile over and over. The incidents of STDs etc, with this
population--a vey large one and the one coming up and the ones who
need to be reached--don't obtain anything like you speak of. So how
are the condoms going to work in the illiterate countries/continents
again? (Whe birth control pills were handed out freely, the women in
Africa and Asia strung them and used them as prayer beads. Too bad
that didn't work either.)
I see. Now you are moving the goalposts. Now you are agreeing that it is
human error that affects the effectiveness of condom use. Interesting....
Hot at all, haven't you heard of defects? There are many with all the
"cute" little numbers available in those machines. Tell me those are made
to prevent AIDS. who is moving what?
Norma
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21 Apr 2005 12:13:04 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:18:42 -0600 the ET form known as
Norma<njb904@charter.net> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns963E85D9079F4vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 20 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Norma dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
Nope, I don't post from there, and I have no idea where you got that
idea. (actually this might be the atheism group???) I have workd with
the docs/nurse practiioners in planned parenthood and seen all the
disasters of re-using condoms, having them slip off and proceeding
anyway, and many, many similar circumstances with those who drinkingg,
using drugs, and simply can't afford a new supply, have failed and
faile over and over. The incidents of STDs etc, with this
population--a vey large one and the one coming up and the ones who
need to be reached--don't obtain anything like you speak of. So how
are the condoms going to work in the illiterate countries/continents
again? (Whe birth control pills were handed out freely, the women in
Africa and Asia strung them and used them as prayer beads. Too bad
that didn't work either.)
I see. Now you are moving the goalposts. Now you are agreeing that it is
human error that affects the effectiveness of condom use. Interesting....
Hot at all, haven't you heard of defects? There are many with all the
"cute" little numbers available in those machines. Tell me those are made
to prevent AIDS. who is moving what?
Norma
I take it as given that you are also against using life saving drugs
because sometimes they do not work, because sometimes they are not
prescribed properly by the doctor, or because sometimes they are not
taken properly by the patient. I take it as a given that you are
against using clean needles because sometimes infections are still
passed on through human error. I take it as a given that you are
against surgical operations because sometimes there is incompetence;
because sometimes procedures are not followed and because sometimes
patients die.
FACT: Sex with condoms is safer than sex without.
FACT: Sex happens, believe it or not, EVEN in the absence of condoms,
EVEN when abstinence is encouraged.
Just as clean needles are less likely to pass on infections than dirty
needles so too is sex with condoms safer than sex without condoms.
Needles are needed by sick people and sex is needed by healthy people.
You do know that sex is normal and healthy don't you?
--
rot13
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
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20 Apr 2005 01:47:47 PM |
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Norma wrote:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns963E72F8214E2vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 20 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Norma dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
Then why did he prevent the use of condoms to stop its spread?
Look at it from his perspective of sex "within" marriage only. Two
non-infected partners aren't going to spread it to one another. It is
the multiple sex partner life-style without protection that spreads
the disease sexually.
So cathoholics never sin? What if one of the non-infected partners goes
in
for a blood transfusion, and gets some tainted blood. The virus is spread
to his partner. Of course, his partner is unaware of this because she's
having an un-confessed affair with the electrician, who is also a
cathoholic, and he spreads it to his wife. On and on it goes. Condoms
can
prevent the spread of AIDS, or at least slow it down drastically. They
also keep the population growth level down.
Slow down and listen to the facts. Condoms DON'T prevent pregnancy, so they
WON'T prevent AIDS either. Get a grip. Those latex things cause a lot of
problems including unexpected pregnancies/HIV infection, many allergies, and
lots of other things. They are not infallible at all. So let's work for a
cure for AIDs and stop the indiscriminate sex-like all those UN abusers were
doing all over Africa when they raped and worse to the girls/women. Stop
getting so wild about the position of the Pope on using condoms. THEY
aren't and never will be effective in preventing anything!!!
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