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01 Sep 2005 05:47:38 PM |
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Re: "Katrina" aftermath |
Dr.Tulip wrote:
"cwjmem" <cwjmem@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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This natural phenomenon is responded to Bush call. This is an act of
God. Nothing can stop God's lesson. May be Mr. Bush should stop
ragin wars against other countries. This natural disaster is acted by
god that Americans need to take care their own backyards and stop
looking for the greener pasture on the other side of the mountain. 12%
of its population live under the poverty line and 40 millions people
live without any type of health care coverage. Billions of dollars
should be spending in clean up its own living rooms and back yards
instead od buying bombs that kill thousands of people.
I do not think this is an act of GOD. Let me explain why. Take a look at
this satellite picture here, this is one year old picture, as you can see,
the shape of the Air trap has always been there in the Gulf of Mexico.
http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/users/4157ad13z5a1847/bobmorehead3/__sr_/33b9.jpg?pfnLzFDBjGyhFCA1
New Orleans is located next/near the center of the violence of the
turbulence. It is not for US to blame other nations for "Global warming
because US has always been hard hit by the natural Disaster for hundreds of
years.
Let's recall what happened here. In 2000, Al Gore got more votes than
George Bush. Florida was in dispute, but even there, had all the votes
been counted accurately, Gore would have won. God punished the people
of Florida for their misdeeds not by giving them one hurricane, nor by
stopping at two, but by giving them three of the biggest ones that they
had ever seen. They did not get the message. They re-elected Bush.
Now God continues to seek revenge on the "red states" for the damage
they are doing to the world.
To overlook this is to deny the power or existence of God. Do you
really believe that it's not in God's power to prevent something such
as this? Do you believe that God would allow this to happen
arbitrarily? Obviously not.
I know that there are some wacky atheists who will insist that it's
just an act of nature as if nature had nothing to do with God, but they
are ignoring history. Look at the stories of Sodom and Gomorrah. People
are now saying that this disaster is of biblical proportion. I don't
hear anybody disagreeing. Do you really think that God would wipe out
Sodom and Gomorrah on purpose, but hit the red states merely by
accident, knowing full well that far more people are affected? I think
not! Is God asleep here? Of course not. I don't know what some people
are thinking here.
If you seriously wish to deny any of this, you are denying the power of
God. Any Christian worth his salt knows that sometimes, those who claim
to be doing the work of God are really doing the work of the devil.
When Bush lies to the nation about why we need to go to war, and then
decides to kill all those people in Iraq, it's not surprising that God
is mad about it. But when the truth comes out and people re-elect him,
even though they know full well by then that the reasons given for
going to war were false, then those people are responsible too.
Suddenly all these people are becoming atheists and acting as if God
has nothing to do with this.
One last point that disproves the geographic theory is that the outcome
of the 1988 election had similar results. That year, California, which
is far more liberal and nowhere near the Gulf, voted Republican. Then
in 1989, the Loma Prieta earthquake hit and devastated the state.
Geography cannot be blamed since it was a different part of the country
and a different disaster entirely. The only thing in common was the
election of a President Bush.
Stop underestimating or questioning the power of God. How much clearer
could God be?
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| User: "Dr.Tulip" |
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| Title: Re: "Katrina" aftermath |
02 Sep 2005 07:03:34 PM |
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<waidoan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Dr.Tulip wrote:
"cwjmem" <cwjmem@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125549299.165414.77550@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
This natural phenomenon is responded to Bush call. This is an act of
God. Nothing can stop God's lesson. May be Mr. Bush should stop
waidoan@hotmail.com wrote:
To overlook this is to deny the power or existence of God. Do you
really believe that it's not in God's power to prevent something such
If you seriously wish to deny any of this, you are denying the power of
God. Any Christian worth his salt knows that sometimes, those who claim
Stop underestimating or questioning the power of God. How much clearer
could God be?
MY RESPONSE:
I did not underestimate the power of God but the power of your false
thinking. God's power does not work the way people think. God created a
set of Law of Physics, and that law has manifested itself in a hurricane,
and in any hurricanes in the world.
HOW A HURRICANE WAS GENERATED?:
When "Cold air" comes to meet with "Hot air", they reject or push each other
causing a swift rotation or a turbulence.
NOT CONVINCED?
Why not try doing a little experiment in your home like this:
Experiment a:
Burn your cooking vegetable oil to 350-400 degrees, and dump a cold fish
into this hot oil, you will hear a Loud noise, this is the rejecting from
Hot and Cold liquid from each other, you will see bubbles jumping until the
two different temperatures come to the same temperature. For hot air/ cold
air, they work very similar, they pushed each others causing a swift
rotation (spinning wave).
Experiment b, easy one:
Look at your Mekong river or any moving water, you will see the spinning
water Wave. That's what I call "Water Hurricane." it's the same theory.
I don't think God will appreciate your accusation that He is so mean to hurt
people in New Orleans. I am not an atheist, I pray that God will open your
mind.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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01 Sep 2005 07:09:27 PM |
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Dr.Tulip wrote:
<waidoan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125614858.582474.82770@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dr.Tulip wrote:
"cwjmem" <cwjmem@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125549299.165414.77550@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
This natural phenomenon is responded to Bush call. This is an act of
God. Nothing can stop God's lesson. May be Mr. Bush should stop
waidoan@hotmail.com wrote:
To overlook this is to deny the power or existence of God. Do you
really believe that it's not in God's power to prevent something such
If you seriously wish to deny any of this, you are denying the power of
God. Any Christian worth his salt knows that sometimes, those who claim
Stop underestimating or questioning the power of God. How much clearer
could God be?
MY RESPONSE:
I did not underestimate the power of God but the power of your false
thinking. God's power does not work the way people think. God created a
set of Law of Physics, and that law has manifested itself in a hurricane,
and in any hurricanes in the world.
HOW A HURRICANE WAS GENERATED?:
When "Cold air" comes to meet with "Hot air", they reject or push each other
causing a swift rotation or a turbulence.
NOT CONVINCED?
Why not try doing a little experiment in your home like this:
Experiment a:
Burn your cooking vegetable oil to 350-400 degrees, and dump a cold fish
into this hot oil, you will hear a Loud noise, this is the rejecting from
Hot and Cold liquid from each other, you will see bubbles jumping until the
two different temperatures come to the same temperature. For hot air/ cold
air, they work very similar, they pushed each others causing a swift
rotation (spinning wave).
Experiment b, easy one:
Look at your Mekong river or any moving water, you will see the spinning
water Wave. That's what I call "Water Hurricane." it's the same theory.
I don't think God will appreciate your accusation that He is so mean to hurt
people in New Orleans. I am not an atheist, I pray that God will open your
mind.
Therefore, God doesn't care about his creation. He created the
situation by which hurricanes could arise and, being omnipotent, would
know that it'd eventually lead to Katrina hitting the gulf coast.
Therefore, we can safely assume that God doesn't care...or he's an evil
*****.
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "If God had intended us to walk, he wouldn't *
* have invented roller skates." --Willy Wonka *
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: "Katrina" aftermath |
02 Sep 2005 09:25:21 PM |
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This current administration ALLOCATED TOO MUCH RESOURCE to fight
terrorist, to defense U.S homeland from being attacked again by Muslim
extremists, and to spreed the GERM OF DEMOCRACY in Iraq. This is the
CORNERSTONE of GWB political agenda during his second term. That is why
he put FEMA less important on his domestic policy. At the same time, I
do not think GWB has ANY DEEP SYMPATHY for these KATRINA victims
because most of these people are COLOR people. That is why AID is
coming so late. That is why GBW is acting so late. Som NAM NA those who
VOTED for REPUBLICAN...
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| User: "Dr.Tulip" |
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02 Sep 2005 08:48:00 PM |
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"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:XKMRe.28443$FL1.25690@trnddc09...
Dr.Tulip wrote:
<waidoan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125614858.582474.82770@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dr.Tulip wrote:
"cwjmem" <cwjmem@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125549299.165414.77550@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
This natural phenomenon is responded to Bush call. This is an act of
God. Nothing can stop God's lesson. May be Mr. Bush should stop
waidoan@hotmail.com wrote:
To overlook this is to deny the power or existence of God. Do you
really believe that it's not in God's power to prevent something such
If you seriously wish to deny any of this, you are denying the power of
God. Any Christian worth his salt knows that sometimes, those who claim
Stop underestimating or questioning the power of God. How much clearer
could God be?
MY RESPONSE:
I did not underestimate the power of God but the power of your false
thinking. God's power does not work the way people think. God created a
set of Law of Physics, and that law has manifested itself in a hurricane,
and in any hurricanes in the world.
HOW A HURRICANE WAS GENERATED?:
When "Cold air" comes to meet with "Hot air", they reject or push each
other
causing a swift rotation or a turbulence.
NOT CONVINCED?
Why not try doing a little experiment in your home like this:
Experiment a:
Burn your cooking vegetable oil to 350-400 degrees, and dump a cold fish
into this hot oil, you will hear a Loud noise, this is the rejecting from
Hot and Cold liquid from each other, you will see bubbles jumping until
the
two different temperatures come to the same temperature. For hot air/
cold
air, they work very similar, they pushed each others causing a swift
rotation (spinning wave).
Experiment b, easy one:
Look at your Mekong river or any moving water, you will see the spinning
water Wave. That's what I call "Water Hurricane." it's the same theory.
I don't think God will appreciate your accusation that He is so mean to
hurt people in New Orleans. I am not an atheist, I pray that God will
open your mind.
"DanielSan" said:
Therefore, we can safely assume that God doesn't care...or he's an evil
*****.
Is God an evil *****? humm... I think He probably would reply:
"If you can increase the population by 5% a year, what's wrong with my
subtraction of 0.05% a year?"
At this point, yes he doesn't care if we approve his convention or not, I
believe He intended to create an automatic subtraction built-in his Law of
Physics.
I am sorry though for those misfortunes, this is not an easy time.
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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| Title: Re: "Katrina" aftermath |
01 Sep 2005 10:02:52 PM |
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Nice to know that our just and personal creator considers us
statistics. I can see why people worship it.
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| User: "" |
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01 Sep 2005 08:05:10 PM |
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DanielSan wrote:
Dr.Tulip wrote:
<waidoan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125614858.582474.82770@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dr.Tulip wrote:
"cwjmem" <cwjmem@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125549299.165414.77550@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
This natural phenomenon is responded to Bush call. This is an act of
God. Nothing can stop God's lesson. May be Mr. Bush should stop
waidoan@hotmail.com wrote:
To overlook this is to deny the power or existence of God. Do you
really believe that it's not in God's power to prevent something such
If you seriously wish to deny any of this, you are denying the power of
God. Any Christian worth his salt knows that sometimes, those who claim
Stop underestimating or questioning the power of God. How much clearer
could God be?
MY RESPONSE:
I did not underestimate the power of God but the power of your false
thinking. God's power does not work the way people think. God created a
set of Law of Physics, and that law has manifested itself in a hurricane,
and in any hurricanes in the world.
HOW A HURRICANE WAS GENERATED?:
When "Cold air" comes to meet with "Hot air", they reject or push each other
causing a swift rotation or a turbulence.
NOT CONVINCED?
Why not try doing a little experiment in your home like this:
Experiment a:
Burn your cooking vegetable oil to 350-400 degrees, and dump a cold fish
into this hot oil, you will hear a Loud noise, this is the rejecting from
Hot and Cold liquid from each other, you will see bubbles jumping until the
two different temperatures come to the same temperature. For hot air/ cold
air, they work very similar, they pushed each others causing a swift
rotation (spinning wave).
Experiment b, easy one:
Look at your Mekong river or any moving water, you will see the spinning
water Wave. That's what I call "Water Hurricane." it's the same theory.
I don't think God will appreciate your accusation that He is so mean to hurt
people in New Orleans. I am not an atheist, I pray that God will open your
mind.
Therefore, God doesn't care about his creation. He created the
situation by which hurricanes could arise and, being omnipotent, would
know that it'd eventually lead to Katrina hitting the gulf coast.
Therefore, we can safely assume that God doesn't care...or he's an evil
*****.
--
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*--------------------------------------------------*
* "If God had intended us to walk, he wouldn't *
* have invented roller skates." --Willy Wonka *
****************************************************
Is it possible that God just gets bored sometimes? I think I would, if
I were God. I certainly used to get bored playing Sim City, which is
fairly close.
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| User: "spike" |
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| Title: Re: "Katrina" aftermath |
02 Sep 2005 12:06:54 AM |
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Ok Americans we need to pull together and get the people of New
Orleans some HELP!
We need to call for the immediate resignation of the head of the
Federal Emergency Management Agency, Michael Brown.
This man has repeatedly ignored the calls from the mayor and the press
to help Americans.
This man failed to render basic support to Americans for no other
reason than he refused to investigate the claims of their suffering.
This man could not correct the mistakes of his mismanagement and would
not take responsibility for his actions.
He has shown his inability to use his imagination to grasp the concept
that large groups of people are in areas not on his little map.
This man is unable to manage his staff and control the relief process.
Officials were giving mixed signals to the people at the New Orleans
convention center. That resulted in the needless suffering by people
simply trying to survive.
In every interview Michael Brown would give the same excuse that there
were 2 disasters and that's why he was incompetent. His inflexibility
and shortsightedness is a dangerous combination in a highly dynamic and
changing situation such as a large rescue and recovery operation.
We as Americans must call for the end of this catastrophe.
A petition to recall Michael Brown is desperately needed. We need to
save the people of the Gulf Coast.
The firing of Michael Brown is more important than money at this point.
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| User: "georgann" |
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02 Sep 2005 06:02:54 AM |
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spike wrote:
A petition to recall Michael Brown is desperately needed. We need to
save the people of the Gulf Coast.
The firing of Michael Brown is more important than money at this point.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Its a very curious way of helping to place blame in lieu of aid.
--
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«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
"As Benjamin Franklin left the State House in Philadelphia
on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'
http://www.boingboing.net/images/Purple-USA.jpg
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
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| User: "Richard Smol" |
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02 Sep 2005 06:58:58 AM |
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Dr.Tulip wrote:
I did not underestimate the power of God but the power of your false
thinking. God's power does not work the way people think. God created a
set of Law of Physics, and that law has manifested itself in a hurricane,
and in any hurricanes in the world.
Of course, this "almighty god" couldn't have mane an earth whithout
any hurricanes.
RS
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| User: "drsouk" |
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02 Sep 2005 07:15:42 AM |
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sabaidi all,
it is the law of dhamma : do the bad things and you have bad things, do good
things and you have good things! available for individual or nation.
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| User: "Dr.Tulip" |
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| Title: Re: "Katrina" aftermath |
03 Sep 2005 11:53:04 AM |
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Monsieur le docteur, acheter veut dire "croire", et vendre veut dire "faire
croire" en anglais.
Je suis surpris que vous ne croyiez pas en science, ce
qui s'est passé à la Nouvelle-Orléans est une vraie
tragédie mais on peut éviter la mort si on comprend la nature.
Ce n'est pas à cause religieuse comme vous avez dit,
Alors si vous ne croyiez pas en science pourquoi pas jetez votre ordinateur
hors de votre maison dès aujourd'hui?
Parce que l'ordinateur appartient au monde de la science.
Cordialement.
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| User: "=?utf-8?B?4LqZ4Lqy4LqB4Lqi4LuJ4Lqy4LqZ4LuA4Lqh4Lqx4Lq9?=" |
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03 Sep 2005 11:57:41 AM |
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It baffles me the lengths people will go to, to try to convince someone
else of their views. Let it rest already will yah. He believes what
he believes and you believe what you believe.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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03 Sep 2005 03:19:00 PM |
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It baffles me the lengths people will go to, to try to convince someone=
else of their views. Let it rest already will yah. He believes what
he believes and you believe what you believe.
=20
Whereas atheists do not believe at all. Please don't try to convince us =
that we believe.
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "If God had intended us to walk, he wouldn't *
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| User: "Dr.Tulip" |
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03 Sep 2005 03:36:22 PM |
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"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
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??????????? wrote:
It baffles me the lengths people will go to, to try to convince someone
else of their views. Let it rest already will yah. He believes what
he believes and you believe what you believe.
Whereas atheists do not believe at all. Please don't try to convince us
that we believe.
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "If God had intended us to walk, he wouldn't *
* have invented roller skates." --Willy Wonka *
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But atheists believe in science don't they? Don't get me wrong, I rejected
all religious lunatics who tried to convince people with their illusionary
theories (they claimed that Bush did bad thing and US received the hurricane
in return due to Bush's action, do you believe such thing? I don't).
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| User: "drsouk" |
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| Title: Re: "Katrina" aftermath |
03 Sep 2005 12:09:16 PM |
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mon pauvre tulip, my poor tulip,
vous avez rien compris! you cannot understand it!
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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02 Sep 2005 07:45:36 AM |
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On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 14:15:42 +0200, "drsouk" <drsouk@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
sabaidi all,
it is the law of dhamma : do the bad things and you have bad things, do good
things and you have good things! available for individual or nation.
Uh huh...
So the infants that died did "bad things", eh?
"Rationality", available for individual or nation.
Though, I'm sad to report, all too rarely taken up.
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| User: "Legend" |
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02 Sep 2005 09:02:19 AM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 14:15:42 +0200, "drsouk" <drsouk@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
sabaidi all,
it is the law of dhamma : do the bad things and you have bad things, do good
things and you have good things! available for individual or nation.
Uh huh...
So the infants that died did "bad things", eh?
"Rationality", available for individual or nation.
Though, I'm sad to report, all too rarely taken up.
The infants did something bad in its previous life.
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| User: "Dr.Tulip" |
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03 Sep 2005 11:04:08 AM |
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"Legend" <scl.legend@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Michael Gray wrote:
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 14:15:42 +0200, "drsouk" <drsouk@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
sabaidi all,
it is the law of dhamma : do the bad things and you have bad things, do
good
things and you have good things! available for individual or nation.
Uh huh...
So the infants that died did "bad things", eh?
"Rationality", available for individual or nation.
Though, I'm sad to report, all too rarely taken up.
The infants did something bad in its previous life.
Hi drsouk and Legend:
I do not see the so-called "doing bad thing receiving bad thing"connection.
We can't blame the infant nor Bush in any incidents because US had
hurricanes for hundreds of years.
We can't prove that the infant did something bad in its past life if he/she
died too soon. The death of an infant has many reasons, i.e. due to
mishandlings, or parents were not healthy etc..
Being a medical doctor as you are drsouk, I'm sure you know that you can't
mix the wrong type of blood for your patients, or wrong type of organ. The
mixing and mismatching fall into the same law of Physics of the hurricane.
Any thing that we can't explain, that will be an Act of GOD.
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| User: "drsouk" |
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| Title: Re: "Katrina" aftermath |
02 Sep 2005 01:35:44 PM |
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remember the talibans that exploded the bouddhas in afghanistan. later they
exploded under the bombs themself!!!
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: "Katrina" aftermath |
02 Sep 2005 08:53:34 PM |
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On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 20:35:44 +0200, "drsouk" <drsouk@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
remember the talibans that exploded the bouddhas in afghanistan. later they
exploded under the bombs themself!!!
And that is your response to my enquiry about infants having terrible
things happen to them, is it?
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| User: "drsouk" |
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| Title: Re: "Katrina" aftermath |
03 Sep 2005 01:24:47 AM |
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sabaidi all,
michael wrote: And that is your response to my enquiry about infants having
terrible things happen to them, is it?
for the theravada buddhism, everything (phenomenon) that happens in the
world or in the person, is caused by only 4 causes: the kamma, the cyclic
factor, the mind and the alimentation. the kamma (prononciation: karma) is
the summing of all of the acts (good or bad) of a person (even a child) in
this life or lifes in the past; what the westerners call "karma" of a person
is composed of 15 karmas: merit, demerit, neutral, reproductive, nutrient,
opponent, destructive, immediat death, agonizing, chronic, potential,
assignement of loka, payment of a last life, payment of all past lives,
fructless.
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| User: "Dr.Tulip" |
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| Title: Re: "Katrina" aftermath |
03 Sep 2005 02:01:52 AM |
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"drsouk" <drsouk@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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sabaidi all,
michael wrote: And that is your response to my enquiry about infants
having
terrible things happen to them, is it?
for the theravada buddhism, everything (phenomenon) that happens in the
world or in the person, is caused by only 4 causes: the kamma, the cyclic
factor, the mind and the alimentation. the kamma (prononciation: karma) is
the summing of all of the acts (good or bad) of a person (even a child) in
this life or lifes in the past; what the westerners call "karma" of a
person
is composed of 15 karmas: merit, demerit, neutral, reproductive, nutrient,
opponent, destructive, immediat death, agonizing, chronic, potential,
assignement of loka, payment of a last life, payment of all past lives,
fructless.
Thanks for your explanation, however you went way off subject drsouk.
People will not buy your version because the evidence is clear that
Hurricane is the work of Nature and it's predictable. See attached picture
of how often it usually occurs.
http://drivermaker.home.comcast.net/WorkOfnature.jpg
En français on dit la tempête, In Asia they call it Typhon, in America they
call it Hurricane. There is NO guilty party whatsoever in these natural
effects.
No, Not Children, Not Bush, Not God.
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| User: "drsouk" |
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| Title: Re: "Katrina" aftermath |
03 Sep 2005 08:28:21 AM |
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dr tulip,
i have nothing to sell or to buy.
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