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16 Jun 2006 02:21:07 PM |
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Re: Long post (apologies) |
robin wrote:
I am so glad, every now and then, when a thoughtful person happens by
to lend me support. I hope I am not rude or hurtful in my choice of
words, patiently defending my perspective against the True Believers,
the fundies and bashers on talk.origins. You say I defend Darwin and
accept Darwinian evolution uncritically, with 'blind faith' as it were.
I hope that is not true. For your information, there are many shades on
It is fucking true, you jerk... You accept your FAITH uncritically
while you want
others to abandon theirs. What a stupid lad you are.
'Darwinism' - and I would hope that even when we disagree, we can still
learn from each other.
One charge brought against this perspective, right from the start, has
been that it is a "low" perspective, justifying the passions, the
socalled "lower nature" of man, his animal side. In other words,
heresy, to them. The theologians later made the same charge against
Freud. With Darwin, it was sex and race. "Why do you keep harping on
sex and race?" My response, as was Thomas Huxley's, "Maybe because
they are central. Maybe because sex and race are at the heart of it
all." Darwin, ever-honest, had the integrity to admit in the titles of
his two great works (on evolution; 1859 and 1871), that he realized
race and sex are key to the entire question of the origins of life on
earth, and the evolution toward human life in particular.
Except for the very simplest of organisms, reproduction by sexual
pairing multiplies geometrically the possibilities available for
variation and differentiation. Unlike non-sexual reproduction (ie,
daughter cells), sexual reproduction vasltly enlarges the scope of
possibility (permutation, combination) by, as Stephen Jay Gould had it,
"shuffling the deck." Darwin was conscientious enough (not shy) to
chose the words in his titles WITH CARE. His 1859 work was interested
in asking why. (why favoured races are preserved, and survive). His
1871 work dealt more particularly with human, humanid and humanoid
(family, genus, species). Thus, Selection in Relation to Sex. Yes
orthography and taxonomy change over the decades. Some of you fault
Darwin for his misclassification, or his idiosyncratic spelling, or his
casual citation of references. Or you fault the constant harping on sex
and race. The sex card, the race card.
Racial purity? Dangers of sexual amalgamation between races? Let's be
careful we are not uncritically swallowing the pathological errors and
"science" advanced by such white supremacists as de Gobineau and
Houston Stewart Chamberlain ... or their modern Black Supremacist
counterparts advancing comparable myth (melanism, etc).
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Long post (apologies) |
16 Jun 2006 03:58:18 PM |
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wrote in news:1150485667.203783.248550
@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
It is fucking true, you jerk... You accept your FAITH uncritically
while you want
others to abandon theirs. What a stupid lad you are.
As much as you hate it, Evolution is reality. To be a creationist, one
must deny reality. Creationists are right down there with young earthers,
flat earthers, easterbunnyists, etc.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
The laws that require me to NOT kill people I don't like REALLY bug
me, or there would be many less of YOUR kind.
-John Weatherly
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Long post (apologies) |
16 Jun 2006 08:02:39 PM |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:58:18 -0500, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <Xns97E48E2083249vicman@216.196.97.142>
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote in news:1150485667.203783.248550
@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
It is fucking true, you jerk... You accept your FAITH uncritically
while you want
others to abandon theirs. What a stupid lad you are.
As much as you hate it, Evolution is reality. To be a creationist, one
must deny reality. Creationists are right down there with young earthers,
flat earthers, easterbunnyists, etc.
....and schizophrenic cardiologists.
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| User: "Tom McDonald" |
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| Title: Re: Long post (apologies) |
16 Jun 2006 02:32:05 PM |
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wrote:
robin wrote:
I am so glad, every now and then, when a thoughtful person happens by
to lend me support. I hope I am not rude or hurtful in my choice of
words, patiently defending my perspective against the True Believers,
the fundies and bashers on talk.origins. You say I defend Darwin and
accept Darwinian evolution uncritically, with 'blind faith' as it were.
I hope that is not true. For your information, there are many shades on
It is fucking true, you jerk... You accept your FAITH uncritically
while you want
others to abandon theirs. What a stupid lad you are.
Another rabid anti-Christian Darwinian outed! Robin, me lad. You're a
veritable TRVTH (tm) machine!
<snip>
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Long post (apologies) |
16 Jun 2006 02:47:46 PM |
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In article <1150485667.203783.248550@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com says...
robin wrote:
I am so glad, every now and then, when a thoughtful person happens by
to lend me support. I hope I am not rude or hurtful in my choice of
words, patiently defending my perspective against the True Believers,
the fundies and bashers on talk.origins. You say I defend Darwin and
accept Darwinian evolution uncritically, with 'blind faith' as it were.
I hope that is not true. For your information, there are many shades on
It is fucking true, you jerk... You accept your FAITH uncritically
while you want
others to abandon theirs. What a stupid lad you are.
By the same standard, one could condemn most religious people, because
want to tout their religion uncritically and get other people to give up
their own faith.
As I say in one of my poems:
"I haven't got it all figured out
But I find I have more faith in Doubt
Than I ever derived by being devout"
Suck on that.
'Darwinism' - and I would hope that even when we disagree, we can still
learn from each other.
One charge brought against this perspective, right from the start, has
been that it is a "low" perspective, justifying the passions, the
socalled "lower nature" of man, his animal side. In other words,
heresy, to them. The theologians later made the same charge against
Freud. With Darwin, it was sex and race. "Why do you keep harping on
sex and race?" My response, as was Thomas Huxley's, "Maybe because
they are central. Maybe because sex and race are at the heart of it
all." Darwin, ever-honest, had the integrity to admit in the titles of
his two great works (on evolution; 1859 and 1871), that he realized
race and sex are key to the entire question of the origins of life on
earth, and the evolution toward human life in particular.
Except for the very simplest of organisms, reproduction by sexual
pairing multiplies geometrically the possibilities available for
variation and differentiation. Unlike non-sexual reproduction (ie,
daughter cells), sexual reproduction vasltly enlarges the scope of
possibility (permutation, combination) by, as Stephen Jay Gould had it,
"shuffling the deck." Darwin was conscientious enough (not shy) to
chose the words in his titles WITH CARE. His 1859 work was interested
in asking why. (why favoured races are preserved, and survive). His
1871 work dealt more particularly with human, humanid and humanoid
(family, genus, species). Thus, Selection in Relation to Sex. Yes
orthography and taxonomy change over the decades. Some of you fault
Darwin for his misclassification, or his idiosyncratic spelling, or his
casual citation of references. Or you fault the constant harping on sex
and race. The sex card, the race card.
Racial purity? Dangers of sexual amalgamation between races? Let's be
careful we are not uncritically swallowing the pathological errors and
"science" advanced by such white supremacists as de Gobineau and
Houston Stewart Chamberlain ... or their modern Black Supremacist
counterparts advancing comparable myth (melanism, etc).
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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