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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" |
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26 Dec 2005 08:13:38 PM |
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Re: Lord of lords |
::: vera ::: wrote:
bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
vera ::: wrote:
bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
vera
Go back to The Stone Age, they had their leaders back then, no doubt
the largest and strongest of men and they had a name for him, later
on we called these leaders 'Lords' whether they were leaders of a
simple clan or an entire nation.
If they had it has not much to do with you or me.
It is very much to do with analysing the way religionists use the
English langage and how they relate their gods to early life style in
order to show that humans make up their gods and not the other way
around.
If it was the other way around, would that change things for you? What
would it change for you if?
So how natural when we make up our gods to call the Lords too; why,
we even sit them on thrones just like our 'Lords' sat on thrones.
Bob, there is a Spiritual world. Unless you do not know about it, how
can you judge it? How can you be sure? You are not in touch with
God, as if you were you would speak differently.
Kindly describe exactly how you are 'in touch' with your god.
He is always there, and I communicate with Him. Prayer is one form of
communication with God, and if He answers you, you are in touch with
God.
Look how this is describes in Scripture:
They said one to another, "Weren't our hearts burning within us, while
he spoke to us along the way, and while he opened the Scriptures to us?"
(Luke 24:32)
Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter
and the rest of the apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?" (Acts 2:37)
That burning heart - that is one sign of being together with God. And
you will notice that, and never want to change this... It happened to
me, and I was drawn closer and closer to Him. I was "touched" by Him.
A priest said something valuable yesterday in a sermon which might
help you to understand my point of view... He said If you want to
know who God is, read the Bible, but if you want to know how He is
like, pray.
Praying is another word for 'hoping'.
Oh no - prayer is talking with God. God tells me many things in prayer.
It is much more than just "hope".
Early man and by that I mean
man back in The Stone Age, was the first god maker and he had more
reason that we do today to make them up. They were simple and lived
in fear of their lives.
That sounds funny... do we not have reasons enough to live in fear of
our lives? I do not know of anybody who did not have to die.
They understood nothing so anything was good, if it drove away the
evil spirits that they imagibned lurked in the forest at night..
Do you think people do understand much more today? I think allowing only
science to be the truth is a little naiv. There is much more in this
world than science explains.
Religons are the work of man, pure and [very] simple.
Yes, religions are like that. I am against all forms of religion,
because they stand between you and God. There can only be ONE truth.
Better try prayer. Pray to God, and see what will happen.
Hey, how about telling me what happens when you pray, as obviously
something has.
Prayers are very often answered. I can feel the Holy Spirit, too, also
physically, and the Spiritual world around me. I cannot put much of it
in words. God speaks into people's hearts - that is the place where we
meet.
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse unerringly
strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth "as a
conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/29/05) from 6 to 7 pm
EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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| User: "Jim-Poncin" |
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| Title: Re: Lord of lords |
27 Dec 2005 05:07:42 PM |
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse unerringly
strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth "as a
conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Chants and rhetoric that is intrinsically damaging to a democratic mindset
desirable in people in a modern society.
Wouldn't you be more comfortable in a "godly dictatorship" where everything
is determined for you?
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| User: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" |
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| Title: Re: Lord of lords |
27 Dec 2005 06:55:59 PM |
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Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse unerringly
strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth "as a
conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Chants and rhetoric that is intrinsically damaging to a democratic mindset
desirable in people in a modern society.
This is neither chant nor rhetoric.
Wouldn't you be more comfortable in a "godly dictatorship" where everything
is determined for you?
No. The LORD has my gratitude for His generous gift of free will.
It remains my choice to continue walking with the LORD, Whom I love
with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-))
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/29/05) from 6 to 7 pm
EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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| User: "Jim-Poncin" |
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| Title: Re: Lord of lords |
27 Dec 2005 07:02:12 PM |
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam7@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1135731359.916078.139000@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse unerringly
strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth "as a
conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Chants and rhetoric that is intrinsically damaging to a democratic
mindset
desirable in people in a modern society.
This is neither chant nor rhetoric.
Wouldn't you be more comfortable in a "godly dictatorship" where
everything
is determined for you?
No. The LORD has my gratitude for His generous gift of free will.
With all your biblical chanting and confined supernatural thinking, it
doesn't sound like you have much "free will" at all....
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| User: "Nightshade" |
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| Title: Re: Lord of lords |
29 Dec 2005 07:16:09 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:02:12 GMT, While I was gettin a beer, somebody,
could have been "Jim-Poncin" <jphkjkhkj@jkjhjkhkj.net>, wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam7@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1135731359.916078.139000@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse unerringly
strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth "as a
conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Chants and rhetoric that is intrinsically damaging to a democratic
mindset
desirable in people in a modern society.
This is neither chant nor rhetoric.
Wouldn't you be more comfortable in a "godly dictatorship" where
everything
is determined for you?
No. The LORD has my gratitude for His generous gift of free will.
With all your biblical chanting and confined supernatural thinking, it
doesn't sound like you have much "free will" at all....
Ohhh, I don't know.
He is free to choose to be an abject slave, or to be tortured for all
eternity, for not choosing that.
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| User: "Jim-Poncin" |
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| Title: Re: Lord of lords |
29 Dec 2005 01:51:33 PM |
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"Nightshade" <nightshade@thedeepwoods.web> wrote in message
news:l8o7r1tsiusbsq9carvicgab8vrkoil8b2@4ax.com...
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:02:12 GMT, While I was gettin a beer, somebody,
could have been "Jim-Poncin" <jphkjkhkj@jkjhjkhkj.net>, wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam7@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1135731359.916078.139000@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse unerringly
strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth "as a
conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Chants and rhetoric that is intrinsically damaging to a democratic
mindset
desirable in people in a modern society.
This is neither chant nor rhetoric.
Wouldn't you be more comfortable in a "godly dictatorship" where
everything
is determined for you?
No. The LORD has my gratitude for His generous gift of free will.
With all your biblical chanting and confined supernatural thinking, it
doesn't sound like you have much "free will" at all....
Ohhh, I don't know.
He is free to choose to be an abject slave, or to be tortured for all
eternity, for not choosing that.
He is a slave to his fantasies. Where's the proof that anybody lives after
death?
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| User: "Olrik" |
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| Title: Re: Lord of lords |
28 Dec 2005 12:01:24 AM |
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse unerringly
strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth "as a
conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Chants and rhetoric that is intrinsically damaging to a democratic mindset
desirable in people in a modern society.
This is neither chant nor rhetoric.
Wouldn't you be more comfortable in a "godly dictatorship" where everything
is determined for you?
No. The LORD has my gratitude for His generous gift of free will.
Before you die, check with your "god" if there's "free will" in "heaven".
It remains my choice to continue walking with the LORD, Whom I love
with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-))
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/29/05) from 6 to 7 pm
EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" |
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28 Dec 2005 01:09:02 AM |
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Olrik wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse unerringly
strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth "as a
conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Chants and rhetoric that is intrinsically damaging to a democratic mindset
desirable in people in a modern society.
This is neither chant nor rhetoric.
Wouldn't you be more comfortable in a "godly dictatorship" where everything
is determined for you?
No. The LORD has my gratitude for His generous gift of free will.
Before you die, check with your "god" if there's "free will" in "heaven".
Have died and been brought back with free will intact.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/29/05) from 6 to 7 pm
EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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| User: "" |
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28 Dec 2005 01:20:33 AM |
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Olrik wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse unerringly
strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth "as a
conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Chants and rhetoric that is intrinsically damaging to a democratic mindset
desirable in people in a modern society.
This is neither chant nor rhetoric.
Wouldn't you be more comfortable in a "godly dictatorship" where everything
is determined for you?
No. The LORD has my gratitude for His generous gift of free will.
Before you die, check with your "god" if there's "free will" in "heaven".
Have died and been brought back with free will intact.
Thus, you're not dead and not in "heaven".
Try again,
Olrik
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/29/05) from 6 to 7 pm
EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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| User: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" |
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| Title: Conqueror bent on conquest: The Lamb opened the 1st of the 7 seals on His birthday (12/25/2005) |
28 Dec 2005 01:32:37 AM |
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wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Olrik wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse unerringly
strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth "as a
conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Chants and rhetoric that is intrinsically damaging to a democratic mindset
desirable in people in a modern society.
This is neither chant nor rhetoric.
Wouldn't you be more comfortable in a "godly dictatorship" where everything
is determined for you?
No. The LORD has my gratitude for His generous gift of free will.
Before you die, check with your "god" if there's "free will" in "heaven".
Have died and been brought back with free will intact.
Thus, you're not dead and not in "heaven".
Nonetheless, there is free will in heaven writing from firsthand
experience.
Try again
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse unerringly
strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth "as a
conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/29/05) from 6 to 7 pm
EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Conqueror bent on conquest: The Lamb opened the 1st of the 7 seals on His birthday (12/25/2005) |
28 Dec 2005 02:07:52 AM |
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
olrik666@gmail.com wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Olrik wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse unerringly
strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth "as a
conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Chants and rhetoric that is intrinsically damaging to a democratic mindset
desirable in people in a modern society.
This is neither chant nor rhetoric.
Wouldn't you be more comfortable in a "godly dictatorship" where everything
is determined for you?
No. The LORD has my gratitude for His generous gift of free will.
Before you die, check with your "god" if there's "free will" in "heaven".
Have died and been brought back with free will intact.
Thus, you're not dead and not in "heaven".
Nonetheless, there is free will in heaven writing from firsthand
experience.
Dead people do not post on Usenet.
Besides, there's no description of "heaven" that involves "free will".
Olrik
Try again
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse unerringly
strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth "as a
conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/29/05) from 6 to 7 pm
EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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| User: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" |
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| Title: Re: Conqueror bent on conquest: The Lamb opened the 1st of the 7 seals on His birthday (12/25/2005) |
28 Dec 2005 02:34:13 AM |
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wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Olrik wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse unerringly
strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth "as a
conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Chants and rhetoric that is intrinsically damaging to a democratic mindset
desirable in people in a modern society.
This is neither chant nor rhetoric.
Wouldn't you be more comfortable in a "godly dictatorship" where everything
is determined for you?
No. The LORD has my gratitude for His generous gift of free will.
Before you die, check with your "god" if there's "free will" in "heaven".
Have died and been brought back with free will intact.
Thus, you're not dead and not in "heaven".
Nonetheless, there is free will in heaven writing from firsthand
experience.
Dead people do not post on Usenet.
Correct.
Those who walk with Christ have eternal life.
Besides, there's no description of "heaven" that involves "free will".
Not anymore.
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse unerringly
strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth "as a
conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/29/05) from 6 to 7 pm
EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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| Title: Re: Conqueror bent on conquest: The Lamb opened the 1st of the 7 seals on His birthday (12/25/2005) |
28 Dec 2005 04:00:03 AM |
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In alt.atheism, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
<nospam6@heartmdphd.com>
wrote
on 28 Dec 2005 00:34:13 -0800
<1135758853.084738.18550@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:
olrik666@gmail.com wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
olrik666@gmail.com wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Olrik wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse
unerringly strike their destined targets as the rider
gallops forth "as a conqueror bent on conquest."
(Revelation 6:2)
Chants and rhetoric that is intrinsically damaging to
a democratic mindset desirable in people in a modern society.
This is neither chant nor rhetoric.
Wouldn't you be more comfortable in a "godly dictatorship"
where everything is determined for you?
No. The LORD has my gratitude for His generous gift
of free will.
Before you die, check with your "god" if there's "free will"
in "heaven".
Have died and been brought back with free will intact.
Thus, you're not dead and not in "heaven".
Nonetheless, there is free will in heaven writing from firsthand
experience.
Dead people do not post on Usenet.
Correct.
Those who walk with Christ have eternal life.
OK...dumb question. Where is he? The standard mythos
regarding Heaven is that people fly around up there
with angel's wings. Or perhaps they walk on clouds.
Since clouds in the more or less normal scientific
world are made of water droplets -- fog, basically --
walking on them by normal humans is next to impossible.
Flying would be interesting using angel's wings, given
that the turkey vulture is 64-81 cm and in height with a
170-178 cm wingspan, compared to a human's average height
of 165 cm, and weighs all of 2 kg. Scaling up, one would
get a bird of maybe 350-360 cm wingspan and weighing maybe
5.8 kg (square-cube, which makes the musculature all wrong)
-- well below an average female's weight of 54-64 kg, never
mind the average male, and the musculature just isn't there
in the back of a person, especially if said person's been
mangled in, say, a car accident such as wrapping himself
around a tree through no fault of his own, after living
a near-saintly life. [*]
As for Eternal Life: there would be a number of problems
with that, chief of which is that it's not life on Earth.
Nor have reports come back from those flying balloons,
airplanes, etc. of a large congregation of people walking
around in the clouds -- yet far more people have died
than are currently living today.
Not that any of this is worth much debate anyway --
science and religion do not mix. The one addresses the
here and now, the "concrete, the graspable, the provable",
as Leonard Nimoy once put it (on Star Trek: The Original
Voyage, admittedly, but why not?), the other the spiritual
salvation and/or mental state which can never be measured,
quantified, or even questioned, really; humans can and
often do have very passionate beliefs.
[rest snipped]
Followups.
[*] actually, most accidents are caused by inattentiveness or poor
judgement of local conditions, as I understand it. But that's
a side issue; we'll assume here a godly man who gets tapped from
someone from behind or something by a crazed maniac. In any
event, films such as "Hamburger Highway" were well-known in
my youth in demonstrating, rather graphically, the dangers of
driving, to impress upon the then-youth the respect one must
have for a 2 metric tonne vehicle travelling at a high rate
of speed -- just below 30 m/s, yielding a kinetic energy of
almost 1 megajoule, or 1/4 kg of dynamite, very roughly speaking.
While it is possible for a human to fly under his own
power, with additional help (cf the Gossamer Albatross
[wingspan: 30m; weight: 30 kg; pilot weight: unknown
but probably 50-60 kg; power, 1/2 hp or maybe 350W;
flight duration: about 2h30m], which crossed the
English Channel on 1979-06-12), the mechanics of flying
using such a device are entirely different from the
traditional angel's depiction.
--
#191,
It's still legal to go .sigless.
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29 Dec 2005 03:25:32 PM |
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The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
In alt.atheism, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
<nospam6@heartmdphd.com>
wrote
on 28 Dec 2005 00:34:13 -0800
<1135758853.084738.18550@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:
olrik666@gmail.com wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
olrik666@gmail.com wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Olrik wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse
unerringly strike their destined targets as the rider
gallops forth "as a conqueror bent on conquest."
(Revelation 6:2)
Chants and rhetoric that is intrinsically damaging to
a democratic mindset desirable in people in a modern society.
This is neither chant nor rhetoric.
Wouldn't you be more comfortable in a "godly dictatorship"
where everything is determined for you?
No. The LORD has my gratitude for His generous gift
of free will.
Before you die, check with your "god" if there's "free will"
in "heaven".
Have died and been brought back with free will intact.
Thus, you're not dead and not in "heaven".
Nonetheless, there is free will in heaven writing from firsthand
experience.
Dead people do not post on Usenet.
Correct.
Those who walk with Christ have eternal life.
OK...dumb question. Where is he?
Right beside those who have chosen to walk with HIM.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/29/05) from 6 to 7 pm
EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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28 Dec 2005 01:42:04 AM |
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On 27 Dec 2005 23:20:33 -0800, Huffed and Puffed
the following into the madness of usenet:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
chung is trolling from sci.med.cardiology and is known kook and loony
toon in all diabetic groups. please do not cross post replies to the
diabetic newsgroups. if you must reply to the chung troll reply to
sci.med.cardiology where he has his cult following.
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28 Dec 2005 02:02:39 AM |
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Ma=A2k wrote:
On 27 Dec 2005 23:20:33 -0800, Huffed and Puffed
the following into the madness of usenet:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
chung is trolling from sci.med.cardiology and is known kook and loony
toon in all diabetic groups. please do not cross post replies to the
diabetic newsgroups. if you must reply to the chung troll reply to
sci.med.cardiology where he has his cult following.
I know the guy's a kook, but I rarely pay attention to cross postings.
Sorry.
Olrik
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28 Dec 2005 04:53:01 AM |
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On 27 Dec 2005 23:09:02 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam7@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
Olrik wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse unerringly
strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth "as a
conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Chants and rhetoric that is intrinsically damaging to a democratic mindset
desirable in people in a modern society.
This is neither chant nor rhetoric.
Wouldn't you be more comfortable in a "godly dictatorship" where everything
is determined for you?
No. The LORD has my gratitude for His generous gift of free will.
Before you die, check with your "god" if there's "free will" in "heaven".
Have died and been brought back with free will intact.
You are still dead.
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
You don't trust Christ at all.
Andrew
Barry
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Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
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28 Dec 2005 04:51:29 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:01:24 -0500, Olrik <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse unerringly
strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth "as a
conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Chants and rhetoric that is intrinsically damaging to a democratic mindset
desirable in people in a modern society.
This is neither chant nor rhetoric.
Wouldn't you be more comfortable in a "godly dictatorship" where everything
is determined for you?
No. The LORD has my gratitude for His generous gift of free will.
Before you die, check with your "god" if there's "free will" in "heaven".
Can't be free will and no sin.
It remains my choice to continue walking with the LORD, Whom I love
with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-))
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/29/05) from 6 to 7 pm
EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
Barry
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Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
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28 Dec 2005 07:59:01 AM |
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Barry OGrady wrote:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:01:24 -0500, Olrik <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse unerringly
strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth "as a
conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Chants and rhetoric that is intrinsically damaging to a democratic mindset
desirable in people in a modern society.
This is neither chant nor rhetoric.
Wouldn't you be more comfortable in a "godly dictatorship" where everything
is determined for you?
No. The LORD has my gratitude for His generous gift of free will.
Before you die, check with your "god" if there's "free will" in "heaven".
Can't be free will and no sin.
Christ Jesus proved with His blood that there can be.
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse unerringly
strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth "as a
conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/29/05) from 6 to 7 pm
EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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28 Dec 2005 11:41:54 AM |
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1135778341.815601.32510@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Barry OGrady wrote:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:01:24 -0500, Olrik <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com>
wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse unerringly
strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth "as a
conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Chants and rhetoric that is intrinsically damaging to a democratic
mindset
desirable in people in a modern society.
This is neither chant nor rhetoric.
Wouldn't you be more comfortable in a "godly dictatorship" where
everything
is determined for you?
No. The LORD has my gratitude for His generous gift of free will.
Before you die, check with your "god" if there's "free will" in
"heaven".
Can't be free will and no sin.
Christ Jesus proved with His blood that there can be
Really? How?
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse unerringly
strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth "as a
conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Andrew, you are a SLAVE to your jesus/mary/god fantasies.
Free people deal with the world as it is in reality.
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28 Dec 2005 12:16:12 PM |
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Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1135778341.815601.32510@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Barry OGrady wrote:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:01:24 -0500, Olrik <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com>
wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse unerringly
strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth "as a
conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Chants and rhetoric that is intrinsically damaging to a democratic
mindset
desirable in people in a modern society.
This is neither chant nor rhetoric.
Wouldn't you be more comfortable in a "godly dictatorship" where
everything
is determined for you?
No. The LORD has my gratitude for His generous gift of free will.
Before you die, check with your "god" if there's "free will" in
"heaven".
Can't be free will and no sin.
Christ Jesus proved with His blood that there can be.
Really?
Yes.
How?
In the manner described in the Holy Bible.
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse continue to
unerringly strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth "as
a conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/29/05) from 6 to 7 pm
EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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28 Dec 2005 05:14:04 PM |
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam7@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
Can't be free will and no sin.
Christ Jesus proved with His blood that there can be.
Really?
Yes.
OK, evidence?
Human history over the last 2000 years is chiefly different from previous
times due to advances in science and technoloy - things that xans often
oppossed. The worst wars and atrocities have occurred in recent times (ex:
WW2).
I guess you could say jesus was a failure, if anything at all.
How?
In the manner described in the Holy Bible.
I guess you're refering to the New Testament.
It's a man-made, man selected, assemblage of often self-conflicting
supernaturalist tomes. It has undergone a lot of editings by scribes that
altered the "original texts" in all sorts of ways.
The authors are unknown. The whole thing is non-credible.
If there ever really was a jesus/mary/god, it apparently has been gone for a
long time. Maybe a bigger god got angry and killed it?
Of course, I would have to re-think all this if you could have any of your
gods make an appearnace and prove their existence(s) and powers.
Can you do that? If not, why not?
Happy New Year ;-))
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29 Dec 2005 07:37:05 AM |
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Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam7@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
Can't be free will and no sin.
Christ Jesus proved with His blood that there can be.
Really?
Yes.
OK, evidence?
All stored up in the LORD's house for all those who choose to spend the
rest of eternity with HIM:
http://tinyurl.com/7vduz
Meanwhile, arrows from the crowned rider on a white horse strike many
targets as the rider continues to gallop forth "as a conqueror bent on
conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat today (12/29/05) from 6
to 7 pm EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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29 Dec 2005 01:53:21 PM |
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1135863425.636360.232600@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam7@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
Can't be free will and no sin.
Christ Jesus proved with His blood that there can be.
Really?
Yes.
OK, evidence?
All stored up in the LORD's house for all those who choose to spend the
rest of eternity with HIM:
So produce this lord's house with its evidence.
Better yet, produce you jesus/mary/god so he can prove his existence and
powers.
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29 Dec 2005 03:25:36 PM |
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Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1135863425.636360.232600@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam7@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
Can't be free will and no sin.
Christ Jesus proved with His blood that there can be.
Really?
Yes.
OK, evidence?
All stored up in the LORD's house for all those who choose to spend the
rest of eternity with HIM:
So produce this lord's house with its evidence.
The ticket for admission can be found within this gift:
http://tinyurl.com/de9al
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/29/05) from 6 to 7 pm
EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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28 Dec 2005 01:07:51 PM |
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD <nospam7@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1135778341.815601.32510@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Barry OGrady wrote:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:01:24 -0500, Olrik
<olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse
unerringly strike their destined targets as the rider gallops
forth "as a conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Chants and rhetoric that is intrinsically damaging to a
democratic mindset
desirable in people in a modern society.
This is neither chant nor rhetoric.
Wouldn't you be more comfortable in a "godly dictatorship" where
everything
is determined for you?
No. The LORD has my gratitude for His generous gift of free
will.
Before you die, check with your "god" if there's "free will" in
"heaven".
Can't be free will and no sin.
Christ Jesus proved with His blood that there can be.
Really?
Yes.
How?
In the manner described in the Holy Bible.
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse continue to
unerringly strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth
"as a conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other
things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those
following this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/29/05)
from 6 to 7 pm EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
Sorry, Andrew, I missed it yesterday, I came 20 minutes late. Maybe I
can manage to be there tomorrow, but I am not sure.
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
Be blessed,
::: vera :::
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::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm :::::::
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29 Dec 2005 07:37:03 AM |
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::: vera ::: wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD <nospam7@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1135778341.815601.32510@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Barry OGrady wrote:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:01:24 -0500, Olrik
<olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse
unerringly strike their destined targets as the rider gallops
forth "as a conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Chants and rhetoric that is intrinsically damaging to a
democratic mindset
desirable in people in a modern society.
This is neither chant nor rhetoric.
Wouldn't you be more comfortable in a "godly dictatorship" where
everything
is determined for you?
No. The LORD has my gratitude for His generous gift of free
will.
Before you die, check with your "god" if there's "free will" in
"heaven".
Can't be free will and no sin.
Christ Jesus proved with His blood that there can be.
Really?
Yes.
How?
In the manner described in the Holy Bible.
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse continue to
unerringly strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth
"as a conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other
things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those
following this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/29/05)
from 6 to 7 pm EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
Sorry, Andrew, I missed it yesterday, I came 20 minutes late.
We did not hold a chat yesterday... perhaps you meant last week.
Maybe I
can manage to be there tomorrow, but I am not sure.
LORD willing we will keep this up :-)
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
Be blessed,
::: vera :::
Keep being blessed :-))
____________________________________________________
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de :::::::
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm :::::::
::::::: http://www.e-sword.net :::::::
Meanwhile, arrows from the crowned rider on a white horse strike many
targets as the rider continues to gallop forth "as a conqueror bent on
conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
http://tinyurl.com/7vduz
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat today (12/29/05) from 6
to 7 pm EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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Excuse me, but WHAT does this have to do with diabetes?
Judanne
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam7@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1135731359.916078.139000@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse unerringly
strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth "as a
conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Chants and rhetoric that is intrinsically damaging to a democratic
mindset
desirable in people in a modern society.
This is neither chant nor rhetoric.
Wouldn't you be more comfortable in a "godly dictatorship" where
everything
is determined for you?
No. The LORD has my gratitude for His generous gift of free will.
It remains my choice to continue walking with the LORD, Whom I love
with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-))
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/29/05) from 6 to 7 pm
EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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04 Jan 2006 11:05:08 PM |
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"Judanne" wrote:
Excuse me, but WHAT does this have to do with diabetes?
Oh no! The Lord has diabetes!
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.... quoting from James Barr's book "Fundamentalism" on the three
distinguishing features of the Fundamentalist '... an assurance that those
who do not share their religious viewpoint are not really true Christians at
all.' - Peter Cameron "Heretic" (Doubleday; Sydney: 1994) p. 178
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Judanne <judanne@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
|| Excuse me, but WHAT does this have to do with diabetes?
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|| "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam7@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
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||| other things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that
||| interest those following this thread here during the next
||| on-line chat (12/29/05) from 6 to 7 pm EST:
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||| Prayerfully in Christ's love,
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||| http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
Andrew Chung is a well-known diabetic newsgroup complication.
:-)
Just noticed the sig my mailer attached, cute... :-)
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"Some people are alive only because it is illegal to kill them."
-- Perna condita delenda est
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Not a damned thing. Killfile Chung like most of us has. I also
killfile anyone who responds to him that I don't recognize from ASD.
On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 04:23:19 GMT, "Judanne" <judanne@bigpond.net.au>
wrote:
Excuse me, but WHAT does this have to do with diabetes?
Judanne
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam7@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1135731359.916078.139000@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
And so the arrows of the crowned rider on a white horse unerringly
strike their destined targets as the rider gallops forth "as a
conqueror bent on conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
Chants and rhetoric that is intrinsically damaging to a democratic
mindset
desirable in people in a modern society.
This is neither chant nor rhetoric.
Wouldn't you be more comfortable in a "godly dictatorship" where
everything
is determined for you?
No. The LORD has my gratitude for His generous gift of free will.
It remains my choice to continue walking with the LORD, Whom I love
with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-))
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/29/05) from 6 to 7 pm
EST:
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
--
Grandpa Chuck
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The following information is given with the utmost respect
for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the
current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/
The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 1, 2006 is 2,182.
United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000
according to President Bush - probably much, much more.
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