"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <l...@thetruth.com> wrote:

[...]
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water
[...]Well I surely wouldn't want you as my cardiologist. You sound like a

complete and utter kook. Do you select a patient's course of treatment
based on your wishful religious-voodoo thinking? Maybe heart disease is
due to demons or sin?

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <love4@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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convicted friend "old man joe" wrote:

every sort of contrary speech is hurled at the One Person who made
atonement for sin.

this is because the hope of the unbeliever is that there is no sin
in him that God will require of him in the Day of Judgement. so, the
hope is to somehow discount the Person and work of Jesus Christ.

the war the unbeliever is fighting against God takes on the form of
trying to discount the Bible as authentic... unlearned in the
Scriptures as the unbeliever is ( 1 Cor. 2:14; Ro. 8:7 ) he is hardly
a worthy exegete... for him it is like looking at a map for a highway
to Australia.

he may pick up a Bible in hope to discredit it but to him, the Bible
is intentionally beyond his reach to understand ( Lk. 8:10 ) he then
must live on bits of hearsay.

when told by a genuine believer saved by grace that he is on the
road to perdition lest he is saved by grace as well... to him such
talk is foolishness ( 1 Cor. 2:14 )... his rebuttal is there is no
such thing as perdition; no such thing as sin and therefore he has no
need of Jesus Christ... who he says never existed.

his philosophy is his hope.

and because his philosophy resides in him and came by bits of
hearsay, it is grounded in the things of this world... which Judgement
Day will wipe away.

being that the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit
of God ( 1 Cor. 2:14 ) the one saying he " accepted Jesus as his Lord
and Savior " is talking that old will worship gospel where man does
the choosing of Christ... which he can not ( John 1:12;13 ) and his
philosophy results in the same perdition as anyone else who is at war
with God as he is.

his " belief " is nothing more than accent.

salvation is all of grace... it can not be invoked by doing
something good toward God, which is the hope of the will worshiper who
thinks decision making on his part results in invoking grace on God's
part.

the snake worshiper and the salvation by ceremony worshiper are all
outside the Ark as well. these are persishing as they evidence the
foolishness of the gospel as Noah preached it to them.

cursing Jesus Christ evidences being left to oneself by God.

" Salvation belongs to the Lord " ( Ps. 3:8 )... not man.

You are forgetting the hope of the believers who prayerfully and
lovingly ask that the heart of the unbeliever be softened to receive
the love of our LORD and thus be compelled to wisely choose to place
his/her faith in Jesus in order to receive the salvation that belongs
to and can only come from the risen Christ:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp

Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we
can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a whole
bunch more, dear neighbor Joe whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

Are you a board certified Cardiologist? Just curious. It's just that
your views are so different from any doctor I've seen, it's almost as if
you're speaking to us from a different planet. You don't seem to think
exercise is important but hunger IS important yet, we should not be
brainwashed by hunger? I've never heard of such a thing, not in any
article, from any doctor or anyone! So why are we to assume that you are
smarter than the rest of them? I'm not being sarcastic (although I was
before) and I would like an answer.

It's nice that you've had a religious epiphany and I don't have a problem
with anyone elses religious beliefs, as long as those beliefs don't
include killing other people for the sake of their God, certainly that
would NOT apply to your beliefs.

The problem I have is, why all the suffering, we are born into this world
innocent, what have we done to deserve these stones that are cast upon us?
Certainly we had no control over Adam and Eve, how could we be held
responsible for what they did? To me, it's the same thing as my neighbor
commiting a crime and the police coming to arrest me for it, it defies
logic. No one has ever given me a satisfactory answer to this and I
suspect you won't be able to either.

I was reading an article on CNN yesterday about young girls in Cambodia
who are sold (by their parents) and pimped out to men for sex, I nearly
vommited after reading the article, it was almost as if it was something
that occured in the dark ages but alas, it's happening now. Why are our
children subjected to such torment? There was one person who was
dedicated to saving these children and rescusing them from the grips of
these animals, one person! Other than that, no one seems to give a *****,
I wanted to reach out, do something to help but the writter didn't even
bother mentioning anything a willing reader could do. Which makes me
think he/she didn't really give a ***** either. I guess as long as it's
not their kids but I for one, happen to care. Does that make me better
than anyone else? No, it simply makes me a human being, there seems to be
a lack of those in this world.

How many times to you suppose Jews on their way to gas chambers cried out
to Jesus (in desperation) for help? So much suffering is occuring (and
has occured) in this world and you're telling me that we deserve it
because we are born bad? I don't buy it, if you're going to post your
religious beliefs on the usenet that's fine but at least have the common
sense to answer these weighty questions because honestly, I think all
people wonder the same things, Christians or not. What have we done to
deserve (and when I say we I mean all of us, including those poor little
girls mentioned above) such suffering?


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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <love4@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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convicted friend "old man joe" wrote:

every sort of contrary speech is hurled at the One Person who made
atonement for sin.

this is because the hope of the unbeliever is that there is no sin
in him that God will require of him in the Day of Judgement. so, the
hope is to somehow discount the Person and work of Jesus Christ.

the war the unbeliever is fighting against God takes on the form of
trying to discount the Bible as authentic... unlearned in the
Scriptures as the unbeliever is ( 1 Cor. 2:14; Ro. 8:7 ) he is hardly
a worthy exegete... for him it is like looking at a map for a highway
to Australia.

he may pick up a Bible in hope to discredit it but to him, the Bible
is intentionally beyond his reach to understand ( Lk. 8:10 ) he then
must live on bits of hearsay.

when told by a genuine believer saved by grace that he is on the
road to perdition lest he is saved by grace as well... to him such
talk is foolishness ( 1 Cor. 2:14 )... his rebuttal is there is no
such thing as perdition; no such thing as sin and therefore he has no
need of Jesus Christ... who he says never existed.

his philosophy is his hope.

and because his philosophy resides in him and came by bits of
hearsay, it is grounded in the things of this world... which Judgement
Day will wipe away.

being that the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit
of God ( 1 Cor. 2:14 ) the one saying he " accepted Jesus as his Lord
and Savior " is talking that old will worship gospel where man does
the choosing of Christ... which he can not ( John 1:12;13 ) and his
philosophy results in the same perdition as anyone else who is at war
with God as he is.

his " belief " is nothing more than accent.

salvation is all of grace... it can not be invoked by doing
something good toward God, which is the hope of the will worshiper who
thinks decision making on his part results in invoking grace on God's
part.

the snake worshiper and the salvation by ceremony worshiper are all
outside the Ark as well. these are persishing as they evidence the
foolishness of the gospel as Noah preached it to them.

cursing Jesus Christ evidences being left to oneself by God.

" Salvation belongs to the Lord " ( Ps. 3:8 )... not man.

You are forgetting the hope of the believers who prayerfully and
lovingly ask that the heart of the unbeliever be softened to receive
the love of our LORD and thus be compelled to wisely choose to place
his/her faith in Jesus in order to receive the salvation that belongs
to and can only come from the risen Christ:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp

Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we
can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a whole
bunch more, dear neighbor Joe whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

Are you a board certified Cardiologist? Just curious. It's just that
your views are so different from any doctor I've seen, it's almost as if
you're speaking to us from a different planet. You don't seem to think
exercise is important but hunger IS important yet, we should not be
brainwashed by hunger? I've never heard of such a thing, not in any
article, from any doctor or anyone! So why are we to assume that you are
smarter than the rest of them? I'm not being sarcastic (although I was
before) and I would like an answer.

It's nice that you've had a religious epiphany and I don't have a problem
with anyone elses religious beliefs, as long as those beliefs don't
include killing other people for the sake of their God, certainly that
would NOT apply to your beliefs.

The problem I have is, why all the suffering, we are born into this world
innocent, what have we done to deserve these stones that are cast upon us?
Certainly we had no control over Adam and Eve, how could we be held
responsible for what they did? To me, it's the same thing as my neighbor
commiting a crime and the police coming to arrest me for it, it defies
logic. No one has ever given me a satisfactory answer to this and I
suspect you won't be able to either.

I was reading an article on CNN yesterday about young girls in Cambodia
who are sold (by their parents) and pimped out to men for sex, I nearly
vommited after reading the article, it was almost as if it was something
that occured in the dark ages but alas, it's happening now. Why are our
children subjected to such torment? There was one person who was
dedicated to saving these children and rescusing them from the grips of
these animals, one person! Other than that, no one seems to give a *****,
I wanted to reach out, do something to help but the writter didn't even
bother mentioning anything a willing reader could do. Which makes me
think he/she didn't really give a ***** either. I guess as long as it's
not their kids but I for one, happen to care. Does that make me better
than anyone else? No, it simply makes me a human being, there seems to be
a lack of those in this world.

How many times to you suppose Jews on their way to gas chambers cried out
to Jesus (in desperation) for help? So much suffering is occuring (and
has occured) in this world and you're telling me that we deserve it
because we are born bad? I don't buy it, if you're going to post your
religious beliefs on the usenet that's fine but at least have the common
sense to answer these weighty questions because honestly, I think all
people wonder the same things, Christians or not. What have we done to
deserve (and when I say we I mean all of us, including those poor little
girls mentioned above) such suffering?


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