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"Scott Erb" |
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16 Aug 2003 10:02:13 PM |
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Re: !Mel Gibson's New Film |
"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
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Here's hoping that Gibson does NOT give into the political correctness
bigots and will present his honest, straightforward story in
accordance with the
gospel record.
It's a great, original and unique concept. Let's hope that unbelievers
don't
force him to tell anything but The Truth.
As an unbeliever who respects greatly the *teachings* in the New Testament,
I would also hope he tells the story as he believes it. Just as attempts
from the right to make anything "unpatriotic" politically incorrect are
wrong, so are attempts by the left. People should stand for what they
believe.
What "the Truth" is, however, is probably unknown, we just have
interpretations.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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18 Aug 2003 12:42:37 PM |
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"Scott Erb" <scotterb@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:VeC%a.103167$0v4.7170802@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:81676ec2.0308161719.5d6afc21@posting.google.com...
Here's hoping that Gibson does NOT give into the political correctness
bigots and will present his honest, straightforward story in
accordance with the
gospel record.
It's a great, original and unique concept. Let's hope that unbelievers
don't
force him to tell anything but The Truth.
As an unbeliever who respects greatly the *teachings* in the New
Testament,
What teachings are you talking about? That it's ok to torture and kill an
innocent person so that people can have the benefit of a happy afterlife?
That kind of teaching?
No thanks.
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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18 Aug 2003 02:28:41 PM |
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"Michael E Craney" <mcraney@sbcglobalnospam.net> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"Scott Erb" <scotterb@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:VeC%a.103167$0v4.7170802@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:81676ec2.0308161719.5d6afc21@posting.google.com...
Here's hoping that Gibson does NOT give into the political
correctness
bigots and will present his honest, straightforward story in
accordance with the
gospel record.
It's a great, original and unique concept. Let's hope that
unbelievers
don't
force him to tell anything but The Truth.
As an unbeliever who respects greatly the *teachings* in the New
Testament,
What teachings are you talking about? That it's ok to torture and kill
an
innocent person so that people can have the benefit of a happy
afterlife?
That kind of teaching?
No thanks.
Come on.
Criticize Christianity all you want,
Thanks, I do.
but don't deliberately mix up the
historical account up with "teachings."
It's all in the same book, dude. The bible teaches followers to glory in the
death of their savior for their own benefit. Hell, they wear the image of
the very torture device used to kill the Jesus character. It's disgusting.
It's intellectually dishonest.
You're saying the crucifixion of the Jesus character does not constitute
some sort of lesson? I bet there's a ton of christians who would disagree
with you about that.
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Michael E Craney" |
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| Title: Re: !Mel Gibson's New Film |
18 Aug 2003 04:01:02 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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You're saying the crucifixion of the Jesus character does not constitute
some sort of lesson? I bet there's a ton of christians who would disagree
with you about that.
No. A "teaching" is a moral lesson, leading to an exhortation to do
something. The NT does not teach anyone to go out and find an innocent to
kill. What you're referring to is a theological issue.
Mike
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| User: "Michael E Craney" |
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| Title: Re: !Mel Gibson's New Film |
18 Aug 2003 10:09:09 PM |
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"Fear gan dia" <hlxrsnndddln@nshqbxthbbtl.com> wrote in message
news:3f4142d4.002@nshqbxthbbtl.com...
Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by "Michael E Craney"
<mcraney@sbcglobalnospam.net>
in <i8b0b.1024$Iy3.1008@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>:
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# "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
# news:KpSdncuW2dxhu9yiXTWJiA@io.com...
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# > You're saying the crucifixion of the Jesus character does not
constitute
# > some sort of lesson? I bet there's a ton of christians who would
disagree
# > with you about that.
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# No. A "teaching" is a moral lesson, leading to an exhortation to do
# something. The NT does not teach anyone to go out and find an innocent
to
# kill.
Oh yes it does. To take one example, what about "His blood be upon
us and upon out children" (Matthew 27:25) which was responsible
for millenia of anti-semitism, up to and including the WWII
holocaust.
Please. The meaning of the verse is clear, and it's certainly not a request
by the Jews to have violence heaped upon them for centuries.. What powermad
and bigoted men have used it for over the "millenia" is another issue
entirely.
Mike
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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19 Aug 2003 01:04:53 AM |
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"Michael E Craney" <mcraney@sbcglobalnospam.net> wrote in message
news:i8b0b.1024$Iy3.1008@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com...
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:KpSdncuW2dxhu9yiXTWJiA@io.com...
You're saying the crucifixion of the Jesus character does not constitute
some sort of lesson? I bet there's a ton of christians who would
disagree
with you about that.
No. A "teaching" is a moral lesson, leading to an exhortation to do
something. The NT does not teach anyone to go out and find an innocent to
kill.
No, it teaches that the innocent -- Jesus -- has already been killed, and
that you should go and take advantage of it.
What you're referring to is a theological issue.
They teach it in Sunday school.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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19 Aug 2003 09:20:50 AM |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:18:50 +0200, a wanderer, known to us only as
Thomas P. <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> warmed at our fire and
told this tale:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:01:02 GMT, "Michael E Craney"
<mcraney@sbcglobalnospam.net> wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:KpSdncuW2dxhu9yiXTWJiA@io.com...
You're saying the crucifixion of the Jesus character does not constitute
some sort of lesson? I bet there's a ton of christians who would disagree
with you about that.
No. A "teaching" is a moral lesson, leading to an exhortation to do
something. The NT does not teach anyone to go out and find an innocent to
kill. What you're referring to is a theological issue.
The Gospels do teach that Jesus died so that others could go to
heaven. It is the basic teaching of Christianity.
Except he didn't really die. He spent the weekend being dead and came
back not only alive again, but as a deity! That is not a sacrifice!
I've probably endured worse for longer with less payback than Jesus
ever did!
--
Douglas Berry
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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19 Aug 2003 12:00:06 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" <gridlore@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:sfc4kvc7pfcedhcjbvvrm46njvatqc8170@4ax.com...
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:18:50 +0200, a wanderer, known to us only as
Thomas P. <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> warmed at our fire and
told this tale:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:01:02 GMT, "Michael E Craney"
<mcraney@sbcglobalnospam.net> wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:KpSdncuW2dxhu9yiXTWJiA@io.com...
You're saying the crucifixion of the Jesus character does not
constitute
some sort of lesson? I bet there's a ton of christians who would
disagree
with you about that.
No. A "teaching" is a moral lesson, leading to an exhortation to do
something. The NT does not teach anyone to go out and find an innocent
to
kill. What you're referring to is a theological issue.
The Gospels do teach that Jesus died so that others could go to
heaven. It is the basic teaching of Christianity.
Except he didn't really die. He spent the weekend being dead and came
back not only alive again, but as a deity! That is not a sacrifice!
I've probably endured worse for longer with less payback than Jesus
ever did!
Indeed! Calling what the Jesus character went through a sacrifice is an
insult to every person who has actually made a sacrifice.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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19 Aug 2003 12:36:57 PM |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 07:20:50 -0700, Douglas Berry
<gridlore@mindspring.com> wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:18:50 +0200, a wanderer, known to us only as
Thomas P. <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> warmed at our fire and
told this tale:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:01:02 GMT, "Michael E Craney"
<mcraney@sbcglobalnospam.net> wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:KpSdncuW2dxhu9yiXTWJiA@io.com...
You're saying the crucifixion of the Jesus character does not constitute
some sort of lesson? I bet there's a ton of christians who would disagree
with you about that.
No. A "teaching" is a moral lesson, leading to an exhortation to do
something. The NT does not teach anyone to go out and find an innocent to
kill. What you're referring to is a theological issue.
The Gospels do teach that Jesus died so that others could go to
heaven. It is the basic teaching of Christianity.
Except he didn't really die. He spent the weekend being dead and came
back not only alive again, but as a deity! That is not a sacrifice!
I've probably endured worse for longer with less payback than Jesus
ever did!
Bad union?
Thomas P.
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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18 Aug 2003 02:27:45 PM |
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:43:49 GMT, "Michael E Craney"
<mcraney@sbcglobalnospam.net> wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:3NWdnbcuFpvRk9yiU-KYgw@io.com...
"Scott Erb" <scotterb@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:VeC%a.103167$0v4.7170802@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:81676ec2.0308161719.5d6afc21@posting.google.com...
Here's hoping that Gibson does NOT give into the political correctness
bigots and will present his honest, straightforward story in
accordance with the
gospel record.
It's a great, original and unique concept. Let's hope that unbelievers
don't
force him to tell anything but The Truth.
As an unbeliever who respects greatly the *teachings* in the New
Testament,
What teachings are you talking about? That it's ok to torture and kill an
innocent person so that people can have the benefit of a happy afterlife?
That kind of teaching?
No thanks.
Come on.
Criticize Christianity all you want, but don't deliberately mix up the
historical account up with "teachings." It's intellectually dishonest.
Those are the teachings. Jesus was supposed to be innocent. He was
supposed to be tortured and killed so that we all could go to heaven.
There is nothing dishonest about pointing that out.
Thomas P.
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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19 Aug 2003 01:18:49 AM |
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:42:56 GMT, "Scott Erb"
<scotterb@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
"Thomas P." <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote in message
news:1e92kvghdknc7h6ngu18sa5jjth048kd2v@4ax.com...
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:43:49 GMT, "Michael E Craney"
<mcraney@sbcglobalnospam.net> wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:3NWdnbcuFpvRk9yiU-KYgw@io.com...
Come on.
Criticize Christianity all you want, but don't deliberately mix up the
historical account up with "teachings." It's intellectually dishonest.
Those are the teachings. Jesus was supposed to be innocent. He was
supposed to be tortured and killed so that we all could go to heaven.
There is nothing dishonest about pointing that out.
Since I'm not a Christian, I can read the story more symbolically.
You can read the story anyway you want. That has no relevance to what
was said above.
snip
Thomas P.
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| User: "georgann" |
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17 Aug 2003 07:40:50 AM |
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"Scott Erb" wrote:
As an unbeliever who respects greatly the *teachings* in the New Testament, I
would also hope he tells the story as he believes it.
snip
georgann:
Jesus is not about "teachings". You're confusing the import of Christ with
Confucius or the Buddha.
"Scott Erb" wrote:
What "the Truth" is, however, is probably unknown, we just have
interpretations.
georgann:
No matter how liberal or literal an interpretation of various Bible
passages, if you know who Jesus Christ is, then you have all the accuracy
you require for understanding truth.
Daniel 2:20 Daniel said, ""Let the name
of God be blessed forever and ever, For
wisdom and power belong to Him. 21 It is
He who changes the times and the epochs;
He removes kings and establishes kings;
He gives wisdom to wise men And knowledge
to men of understanding.
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
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| User: "Charles P" |
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17 Aug 2003 10:00:46 AM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
Daniel 2:20 Daniel said, ""Let the name
of God be blessed forever and ever, For
wisdom and power belong to Him. 21 It is
He who changes the times and the epochs;
He removes kings and establishes kings;
Well, thanks God, for giving us Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini,
Mao, Idi Amin, the Husseins, and especially for that corrupt
philandering bozo, the charismatic Mr. Clinton!
He gives wisdom to wise men
like Anal Roberts, Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggert, and Pat
Roberson?
And knowledge to men of understanding.
Men of understanding? Where are they?
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| User: "Diederik" |
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17 Aug 2003 08:51:37 PM |
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"Charles P" <chuck@spammerssuck.com> wrote in message news:<yMM%a.103572$0v4.7219879@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
Daniel 2:20 Daniel said, ""Let the name
of God be blessed forever and ever, For
wisdom and power belong to Him. 21 It is
He who changes the times and the epochs;
He removes kings and establishes kings;
Well, thanks God, for giving us Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini,
Mao, Idi Amin, the Husseins, and especially for that corrupt
philandering bozo, the charismatic Mr. Clinton!
He gives wisdom to wise men
like Anal Roberts, Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggert, and Pat
Roberson?
And knowledge to men of understanding.
Men of understanding? Where are they?
Darwin? He's dead. Hawkings is in England.
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| User: "Scott Erb" |
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17 Aug 2003 09:00:39 PM |
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"Diederik" <diederik_b@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Charles P" <chuck@spammerssuck.com> wrote in message
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
Daniel 2:20 Daniel said, ""Let the name
of God be blessed forever and ever, For
wisdom and power belong to Him. 21 It is
He who changes the times and the epochs;
He removes kings and establishes kings;
Well, thanks God, for giving us Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini,
Mao, Idi Amin, the Husseins, and especially for that corrupt
philandering bozo, the charismatic Mr. Clinton!
He gives wisdom to wise men
like Anal Roberts, Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggert, and Pat
Roberson?
And knowledge to men of understanding.
Men of understanding? Where are they?
Darwin? He's dead. Hawkings is in England.
I hear George Bush believed God wanted him to rid Iraq of Saddam, and bring
change to the Mideast.
Now look at the mess that's brewing.
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| User: "Scott Erb" |
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17 Aug 2003 07:49:44 AM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BB64F012.3532FE11%chenault@mindspring.com...
"Scott Erb" wrote:
As an unbeliever who respects greatly the *teachings* in the New
Testament, I
would also hope he tells the story as he believes it.
snip
georgann:
Jesus is not about "teachings". You're confusing the import of Christ with
Confucius or the Buddha.
No, I'm giving my interpretation and belief. Yours is different. I'll
stick with mine.
"Scott Erb" wrote:
What "the Truth" is, however, is probably unknown, we just have
interpretations.
georgann:
No matter how liberal or literal an interpretation of various Bible
passages, if you know who Jesus Christ is, then you have all the accuracy
you require for understanding truth.
Prove it. You offer an hypothesis. Can you test it?
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| User: "keith" |
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17 Aug 2003 05:02:07 PM |
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Hi Scott, georgann and all:
"Scott Erb" <scotterb@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<IRK%a.103492$0v4.7210622@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BB64F012.3532FE11%chenault@mindspring.com...
"Scott Erb" wrote:
As an unbeliever who respects greatly the *teachings* in the New
Testament, I
would also hope he tells the story as he believes it.
snip
georgann:
Jesus is not about "teachings". You're confusing the import of Christ with
Confucius or the Buddha.
I agree with georgann that Jesus isn't *about* his teachings, but the
fact is jesus did teach things and we Christians cannot dismiss his
teachings. Scott said he respects the teachings; what's wrong with
that?
No, I'm giving my interpretation and belief. Yours is different. I'll
stick with mine.
"Scott Erb" wrote:
What "the Truth" is, however, is probably unknown, we just have
interpretations.
georgann:
No matter how liberal or literal an interpretation of various Bible
passages, if you know who Jesus Christ is, then you have all the accuracy
you require for understanding truth.
Prove it. You offer an hypothesis. Can you test it?
I agree with Georgann about jesus; I agree with Scott's implicit claim
that we Christian's can't *prove* it, not with premises that Scott
would likely accept.
But about Gibson's movie: as I understand it the movie is entirely in
Aramaic and Greek and depends on the fact that most people are
familiar with the story as a substitute for subtitles. I've heard some
criticism from various grous; they remind me of the flack conservative
Christians fired at The Last temptation of Christ. I'll wait to see
the movie before I make any judgments.
keith
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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17 Aug 2003 08:19:57 PM |
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 12:49:44 GMT, "Scott Erb"
<scotterb@worldnet.att.net> posted in alt.atheism:
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BB64F012.3532FE11%chenault@mindspring.com...
"Scott Erb" wrote:
As an unbeliever who respects greatly the *teachings* in the New Testament, I
would also hope he tells the story as he believes it.
snip
georgann:
Jesus is not about "teachings". You're confusing the import of Christ with
Confucius or the Buddha.
No, I'm giving my interpretation and belief. Yours is different. I'll
stick with mine.
You're arguing with someone who believes that the speed of light is a
place.
--
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious
conviction."
- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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18 Aug 2003 03:57:16 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"Scott Erb" wrote:
As an unbeliever who respects greatly the *teachings* in the New
Testament, I would also hope he tells the story as he believes it.
georgann:
Jesus is not about "teachings". You're confusing the import of Christ with
Confucius or the Buddha.
"Scott Erb" wrote:
What "the Truth" is, however, is probably unknown, we just have
interpretations.
georgann:
No matter how liberal or literal an interpretation of various Bible
passages, if you know who Jesus Christ is, then you have all the accuracy
you require for understanding truth.
Daniel 2:20 Daniel said, ""Let the name
of God be blessed forever and ever,
Which name?
It is He who changes the times and the epochs;
No, that would be Kronos/Saturn. It's where the word chronology
comes from.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "georgann" |
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18 Aug 2003 09:00:33 PM |
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georgann:
Jesus is not about "teachings". You're confusing the import of Christ with
Confucius or the Buddha.
"Scott Erb" wrote:
What "the Truth" is, however, is probably unknown, we just have
interpretations.
georgann:
No matter how liberal or literal an interpretation of various Bible passages,
if you know who Jesus Christ is, then you have all the accuracy you require
for understanding truth.
Daniel 2:20 Daniel said, ""Let the name of God be blessed forever and ever,
"Elroy Willis" wrote:
Which name?
georgann:
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. There is only one God and He has dozens
of names but His name forever is that of the God of Abraham, Isaac and
Jacob. (You'll note since it includes Isaac and Jacob that lets out all of
the followers of Allah).
It is He who changes the times and the epochs;
"Elroy Willis" wrote:
No, that would be Kronos/Saturn. It's where the word chronology comes from.
georgann:
Where the word "chronology" hails from isn't particularly important unless
you're playing Trivial Pursuits IMO.
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
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19 Aug 2003 06:40:54 AM |
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Daniel 2:20 Daniel said, ""Let the name of God be blessed forever and ever,
"Elroy Willis" wrote:
Which name?
georgann:
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
"GlennGlenn" wrote:
*Why* that one?
georgann:
Because He said it was His memorial-name to all generations:
Exodus 3:14 ""God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM";
and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel,
"I AM has sent me to you. 15 God, furthermore, said
to Moses, ""Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel,
"The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham,
the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.
This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name
to all generations.
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| User: "The Fair and Balanced Weasel" |
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| Title: Re: !Mel Gibson's New Film |
19 Aug 2003 08:30:27 AM |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:40:54 GMT, georgann <chenault@mindspring.com>
wrote:
Daniel 2:20 Daniel said, ""Let the name of God be blessed forever and ever,
"Elroy Willis" wrote:
Which name?
georgann:
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
"GlennGlenn" wrote:
*Why* that one?
georgann:
Because He said it was His memorial-name to all generations:
Exodus 3:14 ""God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM";
God is Popeye?
and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel,
"I AM has sent me to you. 15 God, furthermore, said
to Moses, ""Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel,
"The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham,
the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.
This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name
to all generations.
Impeachments. Court appointments. Gerrymanderings. Recalls. Plane crashes.
Don't Republicans believe in honest elections any more?
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
For the finest in liberal/leftist commentary,
http://www.zeppscommentaries.com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: !Mel Gibson's New Film |
20 Aug 2003 02:09:38 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:38:32 GMT, GlennGlenn
<dipthotdipthot@yahoo.yahoo.com.com>, Message ID:
<190820031838284045%dipthotdipthot@yahoo.yahoo.com.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
In article <BB678505.3533068B%chenault@mindspring.com>, georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
Daniel 2:20 Daniel said, ""Let the name of God be blessed forever and
ever,
"Elroy Willis" wrote:
Which name?
georgann:
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
"GlennGlenn" wrote:
*Why* that one?
georgann:
Because He said it was His memorial-name to all generations:
Exodus 3:14
...a biased, unreliable source if there ever was one...
""God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM";
Were you *there* to hear this? (And no, I'm not trying to guess your
age; I'm testing your gullibility.)
Such is, at the minimum, at the level of "Herman Munster" standing on
the scale-3 spins.
(snip)
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: !Mel Gibson's New Film |
20 Aug 2003 10:28:13 AM |
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In article <BB683F1C.353309BD%chenault@mindspring.com>, georgann says...
georgann wrote:
Where the word "chronology" hails from isn't particularly
important unless you're playing Trivial Pursuits IMO.
"soCode" wrote:
Kronos is unhappy with you.
georgann:
Woooo. I'm shaking in my boots.
Yes, I'm sure you're just as scared of Kronos as we're scared of your god.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: !Mel Gibson's New Film |
21 Aug 2003 09:38:10 AM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff wrote in alt.atheism;
georgann says...
georgann wrote:
Where the word "chronology" hails from isn't particularly
important unless you're playing Trivial Pursuits IMO.
"soCode" wrote:
Kronos is unhappy with you.
georgann:
Woooo. I'm shaking in my boots.
Yes, I'm sure you're just as scared of Kronos as we're scared of your god.
But georgann's is *different*...(rolls eyes)
At least four people have given the same response, but I'll bet it
still won't sink into georgann's thick skull. Jesus is the alpha and
omega, and the missing capcornerkeystone, and that's a fact,
according to her.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Jeremy Martin" |
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| Title: Re: !Mel Gibson's New Film |
22 Aug 2003 05:04:12 AM |
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(georgann <chenault@mindspring.com>):
georgann:
Woooo. I'm shaking in my boots.
Yes, I'm sure you're just as scared of Kronos as we're scared of your god.
But georgann's is *different*...(rolls eyes)
"Elroy Willis" wrote:
At least four people have given the same response, but I'll bet it
still won't sink into georgann's thick skull. Jesus is the alpha and
omega, and the missing capcornerkeystone, and that's a fact,
according to her.
georgann:
He _IS_ the Alpha and Omega!
You _ARE_ lost in your own little world, unable to find a way
out!
--
Jeremy Martin
I have an aa number, but I'd have to look it up.
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| User: "Jeremy Martin" |
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| Title: Re: !Mel Gibson's New Film |
22 Aug 2003 11:01:02 AM |
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(georgann <chenault@mindspring.com>):
georgann:
Woooo. I'm shaking in my boots.
Yes, I'm sure you're just as scared of Kronos as we're scared of your god.
But georgann's is *different*...(rolls eyes)
"Elroy Willis" wrote:
At least four people have given the same response, but I'll bet it
still won't sink into georgann's thick skull. Jesus is the alpha and
omega, and the missing capcornerkeystone, and that's a fact,
according to her.
georgann:
He _IS_ the Alpha and Omega!
"Jeremy Martin" wrote:
You _ARE_ lost in your own little world, unable to find a way
out!
georgann:
If "finding a way out" means living without knowing who God really is, I'd
rather not exist at all.
I personally don't see how anyone who have come to know God would ever want
"out". There will be those who _stay_ out by choice I am told.
In this "out" place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Blah, blah, blah.
I'm having fun in the "out" place, and I ***** guarantee you
that my life is full of happiness. So much for "weeping" and
"gnashing of teeth."
--
Jeremy Martin
I have an aa number, but I'd have to look it up.
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| User: "georgann" |
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| Title: Re: !Mel Gibson's New Film |
22 Aug 2003 02:08:00 PM |
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georgann:
If "finding a way out" means living without knowing who God really is, I'd
rather not exist at all.
I personally don't see how anyone who have come to know God would ever want
"out". There will be those who _stay_ out by choice I am told.
In this "out" place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
"Jeremy Martin" wrote:
Blah, blah, blah.
I'm having fun in the "out" place, and I ***** guarantee you that my life is
full of happiness. So much for "weeping" and "gnashing of teeth."
georgann:
Sure, sure Jeremy. That's why you have to take antidepressants cause your
life is so full of happiness.
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«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: !Mel Gibson's New Film |
25 Aug 2003 06:43:08 PM |
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 19:08:00 +0000, georgann wrote:
georgann:
If "finding a way out" means living without knowing who God really is,
I'd rather not exist at all.
I personally don't see how anyone who have come to know God would ever
want "out". There will be those who _stay_ out by choice I am told.
In this "out" place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
"Jeremy Martin" wrote:
Blah, blah, blah.
I'm having fun in the "out" place, and I ***** guarantee you that my
life is full of happiness. So much for "weeping" and "gnashing of
teeth."
georgann:
Sure, sure Jeremy. That's why you have to take antidepressants cause your
life is so full of happiness.
What a vicious, evil ***** you are.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: !Mel Gibson's New Film |
26 Aug 2003 09:58:47 AM |
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In article <pan.2003.08.25.23.43.08.450954@eac.org>, Mark K. Bilbo says...
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 19:08:00 +0000, georgann wrote:
georgann:
If "finding a way out" means living without knowing who God really is,
I'd rather not exist at all.
I personally don't see how anyone who have come to know God would ever
want "out". There will be those who _stay_ out by choice I am told.
In this "out" place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
"Jeremy Martin" wrote:
Blah, blah, blah.
I'm having fun in the "out" place, and I ***** guarantee you that my
life is full of happiness. So much for "weeping" and "gnashing of
teeth."
georgann:
Sure, sure Jeremy. That's why you have to take antidepressants cause your
life is so full of happiness.
What a vicious, evil ***** you are.
Damn it - You beat me to it.
Funny, but all my SILs who are all god-believers are on either some kind of an
anti-depressant or anxiety medication. I've seen first-hand how much their god
belief has done for them.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: !Mel Gibson's New Film |
26 Aug 2003 04:30:30 PM |
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On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:58:47 +0000, Robibnikoff wrote:
In article <pan.2003.08.25.23.43.08.450954@eac.org>, Mark K. Bilbo says...
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 19:08:00 +0000, georgann wrote:
georgann:
If "finding a way out" means living without knowing who God really
is, I'd rather not exist at all.
I personally don't see how anyone who have come to know God would
ever want "out". There will be those who _stay_ out by choice I am
told.
In this "out" place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
"Jeremy Martin" wrote:
Blah, blah, blah.
I'm having fun in the "out" place, and I ***** guarantee you that my
life is full of happiness. So much for "weeping" and "gnashing of
teeth."
georgann:
Sure, sure Jeremy. That's why you have to take antidepressants cause
your life is so full of happiness.
What a vicious, evil ***** you are.
Damn it - You beat me to it.
Oh, jump on in anyway!
Funny, but all my SILs who are all god-believers are on either some kind
of an anti-depressant or anxiety medication. I've seen first-hand how
much their god belief has done for them.
And as you know, I've just gone through hell month dealing with my fundie
family. Discovering after this past weekend's confrontation that one half
is lying about the other half and playing bizarre head games with
everybody in range.
Such a group of bitter, angry, depression prone people you'd be hard
pressed to match...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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