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Religions > Atheism |
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"Ordog" |
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19 May 2006 05:56:30 AM |
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Re: Muslim's ban Bibles in Australian Hospitals |
DSRM wrote:
David Moss wrote:
Australia is a Christian nation, Australian society is based on Chris=
tian values and on Christian principles.
We have nothing to be ashamed of in stating that.
We have nothing to be ashamed of in our Christian heritage and Christ=
ian achievements
Secondly, most people in Australia are not really Christians. No matter
which box their parents ticked on their birth certificates, or what
ceremonies they were encouraged to go through before the legal age of
consent, most are not dinkum Christians.
http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/56c35cc256682bc0ca256dea00053a7a?=
OpenDocument
In response to the 2001 Census of Population and Housing question,
Australians' stated religious affiliations were: 27% Catholic, 21%
Anglican, 21% other Christian denominations and 5% non-Christian
religions. Just over one-quarter of all Australians either stated they
had no religion, or did not adequately respond to the question to
enable classification of their religion.
Just cos your not a practising Christian doesnt mean you aint.
Not according to the Church.
Officially a Christian nation - apparantly not - werent we once?
Predominantly Christian - i reckon.
I know a huge number of people who are Xtian on paper only. In view of
the Xtian teachings they certainly do not behave as if they were one.
If I were God I would kick shrub and gnome out of any of my houses of
worship. LOL
Yes the % is probably gettin lower each year, so are values, courtesy,
immorality, community spirit, common fukin decency. Not that
non-Christians dont have values or Christians arent prone to sin.
I think you have lost the plot on this point. As I have already told
you, you can't have it both ways.
=D6rd=F6g
Beware of the man whose God is in the skies." Bernard Shaw
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| User: "DSRM" |
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| Title: Re: Muslim's ban Bibles in Australian Hospitals |
19 May 2006 07:39:53 AM |
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Ordog wrote:
DSRM wrote:
David Moss wrote:
Australia is a Christian nation, Australian society is based on Christian values and on Christian principles.
We have nothing to be ashamed of in stating that.
We have nothing to be ashamed of in our Christian heritage and Christian achievements
Secondly, most people in Australia are not really Christians. No matter
which box their parents ticked on their birth certificates, or what
ceremonies they were encouraged to go through before the legal age of
consent, most are not dinkum Christians.
http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/56c35cc256682bc0ca256dea00053a7a?OpenDocument
In response to the 2001 Census of Population and Housing question,
Australians' stated religious affiliations were: 27% Catholic, 21%
Anglican, 21% other Christian denominations and 5% non-Christian
religions. Just over one-quarter of all Australians either stated they
had no religion, or did not adequately respond to the question to
enable classification of their religion.
Just cos your not a practising Christian doesnt mean you aint.
Not according to the Church.
:D:D:D Last time I checked I wasnt discommunicated from the Catholic
church because i didnt go to church or participate in communion. fair
dinkum
Officially a Christian nation - apparantly not - werent we once?
Predominantly Christian - i reckon.
I know a huge number of people who are Xtian on paper only. In view of
the Xtian teachings they certainly do not behave as if they were one.
If I were God I would kick shrub and gnome out of any of my houses of
worship. LOL
you really are startin to babble now
Yes the % is probably gettin lower each year, so are values, courtesy,
immorality, community spirit, common fukin decency. Not that
non-Christians dont have values or Christians arent prone to sin.
I think you have lost the plot on this point. As I have already told
you, you can't have it both ways.
you were never on the plot - yet another comprehensive critique
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| User: "Ordog" |
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| Title: Re: Muslim's ban Bibles in Australian Hospitals |
19 May 2006 08:26:18 AM |
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DSRM wrote:
Ordog wrote:
Just cos your not a practising Christian doesnt mean you aint.
Not according to the Church.
:D:D:D Last time I checked I wasnt discommunicated from the Catholic
church because i didnt go to church or participate in communion. fair
dinkum
True. It takes a lot more to get kicked out of the Catholic chuch
officially.
Acually the Catholics are quite happy to silence its embarrasing
members
Like those who try standing up for the rights of the poor in South
American counrtries.
Hmmm.
I know a huge number of people who are Xtian on paper only. In view of
the Xtian teachings they certainly do not behave as if they were one.
If I were God I would kick shrub and gnome out of any of my houses of
worship. LOL
you really are startin to babble now
And you do not follow current political issues.Too much praying?
Yes the % is probably gettin lower each year, so are values, courtesy,
immorality, community spirit, common fukin decency. Not that
non-Christians dont have values or Christians arent prone to sin.
I think you have lost the plot on this point. As I have already told
you, you can't have it both ways.
you were never on the plot - yet another comprehensive critique
Mate, if I started to pull apart every word of ***** you put to
screen I would go nuts.
You are just not worth the trouble. Coming to me with conservative
moralising as proof for the social necessity for belief in a deity does
not warrant serious consideration.
Really!
So have you made up your mind yet which is the real deity among the
listed one?
Ahura Mazda, Allah, Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis,
Babaluaye, Bacchus,
Baldur, Bast, Bellona, Brahma, Brigid, Ceres, Cupid, Cerridwen,
Demeter, Diana, Dione, Dionysus, Eris, Eos, Eleggua, , El Shaddai,
Elohim Eshu,
Ereshkigal,
Frigga, Frey, Freya, Gaea, Lord Genesa, Hades, Hebe, Hera, Helios, Hel,
Hephaestus,
Hermes, Hestia, Horus, Ibeji, Ifa, Inanna, Indra, Ishana, Ishtar,
Isis, Janus, Juno, Jehovah, Jove, Jupiter, Kali. Krishna Kronos,
Korravai,
Loki, Lugh, Lord Indra, Manitou, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Mercurius,
Morrigan,
Nahuiquiahuitl, Nanahuatzin, Nephthys, Neptune, Obatala, Odin, Ogun,
Oshosi, Oshun, Osiris, Oya, Orunmila, Olokun, Olodumare, Pluto,
Persephone, Poseidon, Proserpina, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, Lord Rama, Rhea,
Saturn, Set,
Selene, Shango, Lord Siva, Tammuz, Thor, Tir, Tiw, Uranus, Venus,
Vesta, Vishnu,
Vesta, Vulcan, Wotan, Yahweh, Yemaya, Zeus, XodA.
African gods:
[Note under 'African Gods' the number devoted to 'Supremacy']
Abassi [Sky]
Abonsam [Evil]
Abora [Supreme]
Abzu [Water]
Acoran [Supreme]
Adaheli [Sun]
Adro [Sky]
Adroa [Sky]
Agassou [Panther]
Agbe-Naete [Water]
Age [Animals]
Aigamuxa [Monster]
Ajalamo[Unborn Children]
Aje [Wealth]
Ajok [Supreme]
Akonadi [Oracle]
Akongo [Supreme]
Akuj [Supreme]
Ala [Earth/Fertility]
Alatangana [Creator]
Amma [Creator]
Anansi [Trickster]
Anyiewo [Snake]
Aondo [Creator]
Apa [Creator]
Apedemak [War]
Arawa [Moon]
Arebati [Sky]
Arom [Contracts]
Arsan Duolai [Underworld]
Asase Ya [Earth]
Ashiakle [Wealth]
Asis [Sun]
Astar [Sky]
Ataa Naa
Nyongmo
[Creator]
Ataokoloinona [Supreme]
Atete [Fertility]
Avrikiti [Fishermen]
Ayabba
[Ayaba] [Hearth]
Bacax [Cave]
Bagba [Wind]
Balubaal [Earth+]
Bandara [Superior Gods]
Banga [Clear water]
Behanzin [Fish]
Beher [Sea]
Bera Pennu [Vegetation]
Bo [Warriors]
Bomazi[Ancestors]
Buadza [WInd]
Buck[River]
Buku [Sky]
Bumba [Creator]
Cagn [Creator]
(!Kaggen)
Cghene [Creator]
Chiuke
(Chuku) [Creator]
Chiata [Supreme]
Chwezi [Hero]
Col [Rain]
Chikara [Sky]
Danh
(Dan Ayido Hwedo) [Snake]
Deng [Sky]
Deohako [Beans+]
Dii Mauri [Moorish Gods]
Dongo [Outer Space]
Dugbo [Earth]
Dxui [Creator]
Emeli-hi [Supreme]
Eranoranhan [Protector]
Eshu (Elegba) [Trickster]
Fa [Destiny]
Famien [Fertility]
Faro [Sky/Water]
Fidi Mukullu [Creator]
Garang and Abuk [First Humans]
Gbeni [Chief]
Gei (Gou) [Moon]
Gu [War/Smiths]
Gua [Sky]
Gulu [Supreme]
Gunab [Evil]
Guruhi [Evil]
Gurzil [Bull]
Gwalu [Rain]
Hammon [Setting Sun]
Harun and Haruna [Water Spirits]
Heitsi-Eibib [Sorcerer]
Hevioss [Thunder]
Huntin [Tree]
Huvean [Creator]
Ifa [Oracul]
Ikenga [Supreme]
Imana [Creator]
Iruwa [Sun]
Juok [Creator]
Kalumba [Creator]
Kalunga Supreme]
Katavi [Demonic]
Ka Tyeleo [Supreme]
Khebieso [Lightening]
Kho-dumo-dumo [Demon]
Kholomodumo [Monster]
Khuzwane [Creator]
Kibuka [War]
Kokola [Guardian]
Kwammang-a [Supreme]
Kwoth [Spirit]
Kyala [Creator]
Legba [Trickster]
Leza [Chief]
Libanza [Supreme]
Lisa [Chameleon]
Lyangombe[Chief]
Macardit [Demon]
Mantis [Creator]
Massim-Biambe [Creator]
Mawu [Sky]
Mawu-Lisa [Supreme Couple]
Mbotumbo [Supreme]
Medr [Earth]
Moomb [Creator]
Mon [?]
Mugasa
Mugu [Sky]
Mujaji [Rain]
Mukasa [Supreme]
Mula Djadi [Creator]
Muluku [Supreme]
Mulungu
Mungu [Creator]
Mungo (Mungu) [?]
Musa (Teaching]
Musisi [Supreme]
Mwari [Supreme]
Nampa [Personal]
Nana-Bouclou [First Gods]
Nana Buluk [Creator]
Ndjambi [Sky]
Ndriananahary [Supreme]
Nduru [Jungle]
Nenaunir [Storm]
Nesshoue [River]
Ngai ('Ngai) [Creator]
Ngewo-wa [Creator]
Ngworekara [Demon]
Niamye [Supreme]
Nkosi Yama'kosi [Supreme]
Nommo [Elemental]
Nommo [Spirit]
Nyama [Animal]
Nyambe [Supreme]
Nyambi (Nyambe) [Supreme]
Nyame
Nyami-Nyami [Guardian]
Nyankopon (Ashanti:Nyame) [Supreme]
Nyamia Ama [Supreme]
Nyasaye [Supeme]
Nzambi (Nzambi)
Mpunguo) [Supreme]
Nzame [Supreme]
Obassi Osaw [Supreme]
Obatala [Sky]
Oduduwa (Odudua) [Earth]
Ogun (Ogoun) War]
Olokula [Sea]
Olorun [Supreme]
Omumbo-Rombonga [Tree of Life]
Orahan [Supreme]
Orisa Nla [Creator]
Orishako [Agriculture]
Orunjan [Midday Sun]
Orunmila [Compassion]
Oshalla [?]
Osun [Beauty and Love]
Oya [Passion and Power]
Pemba (Bemba) Mother]
Qandisa [Demon]
Qamata[Quamta] Supreme]
Rock-Sene [Supreme]
Ruwa [Supreme]
Sagbata [Smallpox]
Sakarabru [Medicine]
Sakpata [Smallpox]
Sango [Thunder]
Shango [Thunder]
So [Lightening]
Tano [River]
Tore [Forest]
Trowu[Spirits]
Tsui'goab [Rain]
Twe [Lake]
Umvelinqangi [Creator]
Unkulunkulu [Supreme]
Unumbotte [Creator]
Waka [Rain]
Wele [Supreme]
Wulbari [Supreme]
Wuni [Supreme]
Xewioso [Thunder]
Yemaja [Creation]
Yo [Impersonal]
Zin [Water]
Table of Asian Gods:
BUDDHIST
Abhijnaraja [Physician]
Abhimukhi [One of the Bhumis]
Acala [?]
Adhimukticarya [One of the Bhumis]
Adhimuktivasita [One of the Bhumis]
Adibuddha [First]
Adidharma [Primeval]
Aizen Myo-o [Protective]
Ajaya [?]
Akasagarbha(Tibetan Nam-mkhai
Aksayajnana-Karmanda [Literature]
Aksobhya (Japanese Ashuku, Chinese A-Chu'u) [One of the Dhyani]
Amida [Savior]
Amitabha [A Dhyani]
Amitayus [Longevity]
Amoghapasa [see Avalokitesvara]
Amoghasiddhi [A Dhyani]
Anantamukhi [Literature]
Arapacana [Book and Sword]
Arcismati [Bhumis]
Arhat [A Saint]
Arthapratisamvit [Logical Analysis]
Arya-Tara [Sakti]
Asokakanta [avatar Marici]
Asokottamasri [Physician]
Astabhuja-Kurukulla [avatar Kurukulla]
Asura [Group of Demons]
Avalokitesvara(Avalokita, Lokesvara) [Dhyani Present Age]
Ayurvasita[One vasitas]
Balaparamita [Philosophy]
Bhaisajyaguru(Sman-bla, Otaci,Yao-shih-fo, Yakushi)[Physician]
Bhima[Attendant]
Bhrkuti[Female]
Bhrkuti-Tara [Mother]
Bhumi [Spiritual Spheres]
Bhutadarma [Demon Controller]
Bi-har [Protector]
Bodhidharma [Monk]
Bodhisattva (Chinese Pu-sa) [Born to be Englightened]
Buddhabodhiprabhavasita [Vasitas]
Buddhalocana [Female Buddha]
Budha [Mercury]
Butcho [?]
Chandarosana [Mahayana]
Charcika (Carcika) [Mahayana]
Chakravartin [World Ruler]
Chattrosnisa [An Usnisa]
Chaturmaharajas (Caturmaharajas) [Four Great Kings]
Chittavista [Vashitas]
Citipati [Graveyard Demons]
Cunda [Literature]
Da-shi-zhi [Bodhisattva]
Dadimunda [Temples]
Dainichi' [Purity/Wisdom]
Dakini [Demons]
Dala Kadavara [Demon]
Devaputra [Gods of Lower Rank]
Dhanada [avatar Amoghasiddhi]
Dharani [Mystical Texts]
Dharmadhatuvagisvara [Dharma]
Dharmakirtisagaraghosa [Physician]
Dharmamegha [Bhumis]
Dharmapala ,Chinese Fu Ha [Protective Dieties]
Dharmapratisamvit [Nature Analysis]
Dharmavasita [Vasitas]
Dhritarashtra (Pali Dhatarattha) [One of the 4 World Guardians]
Dhupa [Mother]
Dhupatara [Mahayana]
Dhvajagrakeyura [avatar Aksobhya]
Dhyanaparamita [Philosophy]
Dhyani-Bodhisattvas [Five Bodhisattvas]
Dhyani-Buddhas [Five Meditators]
Di-zang [Bodhisattvas of Hell]
Dvarapala [?]
Ekajata [Terrible]
Emma-o [Judges the Dead]
Fudo [WIsdom]
Guan Yin [bodhisattva]
Hariti [Ate Children]
Hayagriva [Protection]
Heruka [Protection]
Hevajra [Protection]
Ida-Ten [Law/Monestaries]
Jambhala [avatar Vausravana]
Janguli [Snakebite cure]
Jian Lao [Earth/Permanence]
Jizo [Compassion]
Juichimen [Mercy]
Kali devia [avatar Lha-mo]
Kannon [Japanese bodhisattva]
Khasarpana(Khasarpana-Lokesvara) [Indian bodhisattva]
Ki Fudo [avatar Fudo-Myo-o]
Krodhadevatas [Inspire Terror]
Ksitigarbha [One of 8 bodhisattva]
Kuan-yin (Kwannon) [Mercy]
Kujaku Myoo [Esoteric]
Kurukulla [?]
Locana [?]
Mahasthamaprata [Chinese bodhisattva]
Maitreya [Future]
Manjughosa [Nepalese bodhisattva]
Manjusri [bodhisattva]
Mara [Evil]
Marici [Sun]
Mi-lo Fo (Pu-Sa) [Chinese bodhisattva
Miroku [Japanese bodhisattva
Mo-Li [Protects Temples]
Padmanartesvara [avatar Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara]
Pancaraksa[5 Goddesses]
Pandara [?]
Paramasva [?]
Parnasavari [?]
Prajna [Femaleness]
Prajnaparamita [Buddhist Text]
Ran-deng [Beggar and Future Buddha]
Ratnapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]
Ratnasambhava [Dhyani-Buddha]
Remanta [King of the Horse gods]
Sakyamuni [Japanese]
Samantabhadra [Bodhisattvas]
Saptaksara [avatar Heruka]
Shakra [King of the Gods]
Ssu Ta T'ien Wang [Kings of Heaven]
Sumbharaja [Buddhist ...
=D6rd=F6g
Beware of the man whose God is in the skies." Bernard Shaw
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| User: "DSRM" |
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| Title: Re: Muslim's ban Bibles in Australian Hospitals |
19 May 2006 10:31:01 AM |
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Ordog wrote:
DSRM wrote:
Ordog wrote:
Just cos your not a practising Christian doesnt mean you aint.
Not according to the Church.
:D:D:D Last time I checked I wasnt discommunicated from the Catholic
church because i didnt go to church or participate in communion. fair
dinkum
True. It takes a lot more to get kicked out of the Catholic chuch
officially.
So youve backflipped
Acually the Catholics are quite happy to silence its embarrasing
members
Like those who try standing up for the rights of the poor in South
American counrtries.
Hmmm.
balanced - what was i saying before about free will?
I know a huge number of people who are Xtian on paper only. In view of
the Xtian teachings they certainly do not behave as if they were one.
If I were God I would kick shrub and gnome out of any of my houses of
worship. LOL
Jesus Christ is pretty hard to live up to - even for you
you really are startin to babble now
And you do not follow current political issues.Too much praying?
Yes the % is probably gettin lower each year, so are values, courtesy,
immorality, community spirit, common fukin decency. Not that
non-Christians dont have values or Christians arent prone to sin.
I think you have lost the plot on this point. As I have already told
you, you can't have it both ways.
you were never on the plot - yet another comprehensive critique
Mate, if I started to pull apart every word of ***** you put to
screen I would go nuts.
OK as is you havent tried.
You are just not worth the trouble. Coming to me with conservative
moralising as proof for the social necessity for belief in a deity does
not warrant serious consideration.
Really!
Your unbalanced ramblings do?
So have you made up your mind yet which is the real deity among the
listed one?
Mate you still havent got the point yet?
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| User: "Ordog" |
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| Title: Re: Muslim's ban Bibles in Australian Hospitals |
19 May 2006 10:47:51 PM |
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DSRM wrote:
Ordog wrote:
DSRM wrote:
Ordog wrote:
Just cos your not a practising Christian doesnt mean you aint.
Not according to the Church.
:D:D:D Last time I checked I wasnt discommunicated from the Catholic
church because i didnt go to church or participate in communion. fair
dinkum
True. It takes a lot more to get kicked out of the Catholic chuch
officially.
So youve backflipped
Not at all. I am stating facts and not fiction. The Catholic church is
a rigid organisation and does not allow for much variation in the
interpretation of its dogma. That is why that idiotic Polish Pope had
made a point of replacing his cardinals and bishops with the most
dogmatic and inflexible church leaders world wide.
Any dissent within this church will be silenced, you can be sure of
that.
Excommunication is a very strong tool that is seldom used because it
attracts too much public attention to the church's machinations.
Inconvenient opinions will be silenced through other means.
Actually the Catholics are quite happy to threaten with
excommunication:
See:http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=3D19824
But the church has its own political goals, and usulally protects
instead of criticizes conservative, rightwing politicians. And even
when it criticizes it makes sure that such criticism does not have any
consequences. When it comes to the left side of the political spectrum
the catholic behavior is a lot more reactive.
Like those who try standing up for the rights of the poor in South
American counrtries.
Hmmm.
balanced - what was i saying before about free will?
Free will? Yeah. If you do not worship this deity you end up in hell
for eternity. A triumph of free will, I see.
I know a huge number of people who are Xtian on paper only. In view=
of
the Xtian teachings they certainly do not behave as if they were on=
e=2E
If I were God I would kick shrub and gnome out of any of my houses =
of
worship. LOL
Jesus Christ is pretty hard to live up to - even for you
It is hard to live up to an imaginary hero's ideal. Small wonder that
people can't do it.
you really are startin to babble now
And you do not follow current political issues.Too much praying?
Yes the % is probably gettin lower each year, so are values, cour=
tesy,
immorality, community spirit, common fukin decency. Not that
non-Christians dont have values or Christians arent prone to sin.
I think you have lost the plot on this point. As I have already told
you, you can't have it both ways.
you were never on the plot - yet another comprehensive critique
Mate, if I started to pull apart every word of ***** you put to
screen I would go nuts.
OK as is you havent tried.
Formulate sensible arguments and I will try to deal with them on their
merit. Give me ***** and your drivel will be ignored.
You are just not worth the trouble. Coming to me with conservative
moralising as proof for the social necessity for belief in a deity does
not warrant serious consideration.
Really!
Your unbalanced ramblings do?
The only thing unbalanced here is your reasoning. It is based on
emotions and indoctrination therefore has lttle to do with the real
world around you. Small wonder you are avoiding all of my attempts to
stir this discussion back to politics.
Look. You are bloody off topic, both in aus.politics and in
alt.atheism. You do not want to discuss politics nor the philosophical
aspects of atheism. You come here and attempt to smother us with your
ignorance. Don't expect anyone to put up with it so easily.
So have you made up your mind yet which is the real deity among the
listed one?
Mate you still havent got the point yet?
The point is that man is quite capable of inventing a multitude of
imaginary explanations in order to explain (and control) its
environment.
The reason why at least 90% of all those old deities went down the
drain is because our understanding of the world has came to a point
where no sane human was willing to believe in them any more. Your deity
will go the same way eventually.
=D6rd=F6g
Beware of the man whose God is in the skies." Bernard Shaw
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