| Topic: |
Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Ordog" |
| Date: |
19 May 2006 05:31:38 AM |
| Object: |
Re: Muslim's ban Bibles in Australian Hospitals |
DSRM wrote:
Ordog wrote:
Correct, but! What we observe from the existing Universe up to date
does not indicate the existence of a supernatural being. Of course, no
one can say that the existence of such a being is not possible. But we
can say that it is not necessary for explanation of the observed
aspects of the Universe. In fact, the introduction of such a
hypothetical being would complicate the explanation of observed
phenomena. Hence Occam's razor.
How can science explain something from nothing?
Where did the matter that started the big bang and the ever expanding
universe come from?
As I have stated above I am reluctant to enter a discussion on theism
in a political NG. Keeping to religion and its effects on modern
society is a lot more ON TOPC subject. If you insist on discussings
theism do it in the appropriate forums like alt.agnosticism, alt,
atheism, talk.atheism, sci.skeptic, soc.atheism and
uk.philosophy.atheism.
How can science explain something from nothing.
Try reading scientific articles. The answer to at least some of your
questions is there.
It cant because its not rational. That leads to the more rational
assumption that something "super" natural occured. Or a supernatural
being exists.
Define rational! According to your reasoning Voodoo is more rational
than science since it readily employs the elements of "supernatural"?
What about the complexity of the universe, earth, the human body. Is it
rational to think these things are just the result of of a zillion
random mutations or matter from nowhere conforming to self propogating
laws of physics.
The anwers are there in those science books you seem not to have heard
about.
Why do peoples of just about all races & denominations believe in a god
or gods, is this inane sense evident in probably all cultures
coincidental.
First one should decide which gods are real and which aren't. Please
get back to me when you have made up your mind.
Here are a few to choose from:
Ahura Mazda, Allah, Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis,
Babaluaye, Bacchus,
Baldur, Bast, Bellona, Brahma, Brigid, Ceres, Cupid, Cerridwen,
Demeter, Diana, Dione, Dionysus, Eris, Eos, Eleggua, , El Shaddai,
Elohim Eshu,
Ereshkigal,
Frigga, Frey, Freya, Gaea, Lord Genesa, Hades, Hebe, Hera, Helios, Hel,
Hephaestus,
Hermes, Hestia, Horus, Ibeji, Ifa, Inanna, Indra, Ishana, Ishtar,
Isis, Janus, Juno, Jehovah, Jove, Jupiter, Kali. Krishna Kronos,
Korravai,
Loki, Lugh, Lord Indra, Manitou, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Mercurius,
Morrigan,
Nahuiquiahuitl, Nanahuatzin, Nephthys, Neptune, Obatala, Odin, Ogun,
Oshosi, Oshun, Osiris, Oya, Orunmila, Olokun, Olodumare, Pluto,
Persephone, Poseidon, Proserpina, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, Lord Rama, Rhea,
Saturn, Set,
Selene, Shango, Lord Siva, Tammuz, Thor, Tir, Tiw, Uranus, Venus,
Vesta, Vishnu,
Vesta, Vulcan, Wotan, Yahweh, Yemaya, Zeus, XodA.
African gods:
[Note under 'African Gods' the number devoted to 'Supremacy']
Abassi [Sky]
Abonsam [Evil]
Abora [Supreme]
Abzu [Water]
Acoran [Supreme]
Adaheli [Sun]
Adro [Sky]
Adroa [Sky]
Agassou [Panther]
Agbe-Naete [Water]
Age [Animals]
Aigamuxa [Monster]
Ajalamo[Unborn Children]
Aje [Wealth]
Ajok [Supreme]
Akonadi [Oracle]
Akongo [Supreme]
Akuj [Supreme]
Ala [Earth/Fertility]
Alatangana [Creator]
Amma [Creator]
Anansi [Trickster]
Anyiewo [Snake]
Aondo [Creator]
Apa [Creator]
Apedemak [War]
Arawa [Moon]
Arebati [Sky]
Arom [Contracts]
Arsan Duolai [Underworld]
Asase Ya [Earth]
Ashiakle [Wealth]
Asis [Sun]
Astar [Sky]
Ataa Naa
Nyongmo
[Creator]
Ataokoloinona [Supreme]
Atete [Fertility]
Avrikiti [Fishermen]
Ayabba
[Ayaba] [Hearth]
Bacax [Cave]
Bagba [Wind]
Balubaal [Earth+]
Bandara [Superior Gods]
Banga [Clear water]
Behanzin [Fish]
Beher [Sea]
Bera Pennu [Vegetation]
Bo [Warriors]
Bomazi[Ancestors]
Buadza [WInd]
Buck[River]
Buku [Sky]
Bumba [Creator]
Cagn [Creator]
(!Kaggen)
Cghene [Creator]
Chiuke
(Chuku) [Creator]
Chiata [Supreme]
Chwezi [Hero]
Col [Rain]
Chikara [Sky]
Danh
(Dan Ayido Hwedo) [Snake]
Deng [Sky]
Deohako [Beans+]
Dii Mauri [Moorish Gods]
Dongo [Outer Space]
Dugbo [Earth]
Dxui [Creator]
Emeli-hi [Supreme]
Eranoranhan [Protector]
Eshu (Elegba) [Trickster]
Fa [Destiny]
Famien [Fertility]
Faro [Sky/Water]
Fidi Mukullu [Creator]
Garang and Abuk [First Humans]
Gbeni [Chief]
Gei (Gou) [Moon]
Gu [War/Smiths]
Gua [Sky]
Gulu [Supreme]
Gunab [Evil]
Guruhi [Evil]
Gurzil [Bull]
Gwalu [Rain]
Hammon [Setting Sun]
Harun and Haruna [Water Spirits]
Heitsi-Eibib [Sorcerer]
Hevioss [Thunder]
Huntin [Tree]
Huvean [Creator]
Ifa [Oracul]
Ikenga [Supreme]
Imana [Creator]
Iruwa [Sun]
Juok [Creator]
Kalumba [Creator]
Kalunga Supreme]
Katavi [Demonic]
Ka Tyeleo [Supreme]
Khebieso [Lightening]
Kho-dumo-dumo [Demon]
Kholomodumo [Monster]
Khuzwane [Creator]
Kibuka [War]
Kokola [Guardian]
Kwammang-a [Supreme]
Kwoth [Spirit]
Kyala [Creator]
Legba [Trickster]
Leza [Chief]
Libanza [Supreme]
Lisa [Chameleon]
Lyangombe[Chief]
Macardit [Demon]
Mantis [Creator]
Massim-Biambe [Creator]
Mawu [Sky]
Mawu-Lisa [Supreme Couple]
Mbotumbo [Supreme]
Medr [Earth]
Moomb [Creator]
Mon [?]
Mugasa
Mugu [Sky]
Mujaji [Rain]
Mukasa [Supreme]
Mula Djadi [Creator]
Muluku [Supreme]
Mulungu
Mungu [Creator]
Mungo (Mungu) [?]
Musa (Teaching]
Musisi [Supreme]
Mwari [Supreme]
Nampa [Personal]
Nana-Bouclou [First Gods]
Nana Buluk [Creator]
Ndjambi [Sky]
Ndriananahary [Supreme]
Nduru [Jungle]
Nenaunir [Storm]
Nesshoue [River]
Ngai ('Ngai) [Creator]
Ngewo-wa [Creator]
Ngworekara [Demon]
Niamye [Supreme]
Nkosi Yama'kosi [Supreme]
Nommo [Elemental]
Nommo [Spirit]
Nyama [Animal]
Nyambe [Supreme]
Nyambi (Nyambe) [Supreme]
Nyame
Nyami-Nyami [Guardian]
Nyankopon (Ashanti:Nyame) [Supreme]
Nyamia Ama [Supreme]
Nyasaye [Supeme]
Nzambi (Nzambi)
Mpunguo) [Supreme]
Nzame [Supreme]
Obassi Osaw [Supreme]
Obatala [Sky]
Oduduwa (Odudua) [Earth]
Ogun (Ogoun) War]
Olokula [Sea]
Olorun [Supreme]
Omumbo-Rombonga [Tree of Life]
Orahan [Supreme]
Orisa Nla [Creator]
Orishako [Agriculture]
Orunjan [Midday Sun]
Orunmila [Compassion]
Oshalla [?]
Osun [Beauty and Love]
Oya [Passion and Power]
Pemba (Bemba) Mother]
Qandisa [Demon]
Qamata[Quamta] Supreme]
Rock-Sene [Supreme]
Ruwa [Supreme]
Sagbata [Smallpox]
Sakarabru [Medicine]
Sakpata [Smallpox]
Sango [Thunder]
Shango [Thunder]
So [Lightening]
Tano [River]
Tore [Forest]
Trowu[Spirits]
Tsui'goab [Rain]
Twe [Lake]
Umvelinqangi [Creator]
Unkulunkulu [Supreme]
Unumbotte [Creator]
Waka [Rain]
Wele [Supreme]
Wulbari [Supreme]
Wuni [Supreme]
Xewioso [Thunder]
Yemaja [Creation]
Yo [Impersonal]
Zin [Water]
Table of Asian Gods:
BUDDHIST
Abhijnaraja [Physician]
Abhimukhi [One of the Bhumis]
Acala [?]
Adhimukticarya [One of the Bhumis]
Adhimuktivasita [One of the Bhumis]
Adibuddha [First]
Adidharma [Primeval]
Aizen Myo-o [Protective]
Ajaya [?]
Akasagarbha(Tibetan Nam-mkhai
Aksayajnana-Karmanda [Literature]
Aksobhya (Japanese Ashuku, Chinese A-Chu'u) [One of the Dhyani]
Amida [Savior]
Amitabha [A Dhyani]
Amitayus [Longevity]
Amoghapasa [see Avalokitesvara]
Amoghasiddhi [A Dhyani]
Anantamukhi [Literature]
Arapacana [Book and Sword]
Arcismati [Bhumis]
Arhat [A Saint]
Arthapratisamvit [Logical Analysis]
Arya-Tara [Sakti]
Asokakanta [avatar Marici]
Asokottamasri [Physician]
Astabhuja-Kurukulla [avatar Kurukulla]
Asura [Group of Demons]
Avalokitesvara(Avalokita, Lokesvara) [Dhyani Present Age]
Ayurvasita[One vasitas]
Balaparamita [Philosophy]
Bhaisajyaguru(Sman-bla, Otaci,Yao-shih-fo, Yakushi)[Physician]
Bhima[Attendant]
Bhrkuti[Female]
Bhrkuti-Tara [Mother]
Bhumi [Spiritual Spheres]
Bhutadarma [Demon Controller]
Bi-har [Protector]
Bodhidharma [Monk]
Bodhisattva (Chinese Pu-sa) [Born to be Englightened]
Buddhabodhiprabhavasita [Vasitas]
Buddhalocana [Female Buddha]
Budha [Mercury]
Butcho [?]
Chandarosana [Mahayana]
Charcika (Carcika) [Mahayana]
Chakravartin [World Ruler]
Chattrosnisa [An Usnisa]
Chaturmaharajas (Caturmaharajas) [Four Great Kings]
Chittavista [Vashitas]
Citipati [Graveyard Demons]
Cunda [Literature]
Da-shi-zhi [Bodhisattva]
Dadimunda [Temples]
Dainichi' [Purity/Wisdom]
Dakini [Demons]
Dala Kadavara [Demon]
Devaputra [Gods of Lower Rank]
Dhanada [avatar Amoghasiddhi]
Dharani [Mystical Texts]
Dharmadhatuvagisvara [Dharma]
Dharmakirtisagaraghosa [Physician]
Dharmamegha [Bhumis]
Dharmapala ,Chinese Fu Ha [Protective Dieties]
Dharmapratisamvit [Nature Analysis]
Dharmavasita [Vasitas]
Dhritarashtra (Pali Dhatarattha) [One of the 4 World Guardians]
Dhupa [Mother]
Dhupatara [Mahayana]
Dhvajagrakeyura [avatar Aksobhya]
Dhyanaparamita [Philosophy]
Dhyani-Bodhisattvas [Five Bodhisattvas]
Dhyani-Buddhas [Five Meditators]
Di-zang [Bodhisattvas of Hell]
Dvarapala [?]
Ekajata [Terrible]
Emma-o [Judges the Dead]
Fudo [WIsdom]
Guan Yin [bodhisattva]
Hariti [Ate Children]
Hayagriva [Protection]
Heruka [Protection]
Hevajra [Protection]
Ida-Ten [Law/Monestaries]
Jambhala [avatar Vausravana]
Janguli [Snakebite cure]
Jian Lao [Earth/Permanence]
Jizo [Compassion]
Juichimen [Mercy]
Kali devia [avatar Lha-mo]
Kannon [Japanese bodhisattva]
Khasarpana(Khasarpana-Lokesvara) [Indian bodhisattva]
Ki Fudo [avatar Fudo-Myo-o]
Krodhadevatas [Inspire Terror]
Ksitigarbha [One of 8 bodhisattva]
Kuan-yin (Kwannon) [Mercy]
Kujaku Myoo [Esoteric]
Kurukulla [?]
Locana [?]
Mahasthamaprata [Chinese bodhisattva]
Maitreya [Future]
Manjughosa [Nepalese bodhisattva]
Manjusri [bodhisattva]
Mara [Evil]
Marici [Sun]
Mi-lo Fo (Pu-Sa) [Chinese bodhisattva
Miroku [Japanese bodhisattva
Mo-Li [Protects Temples]
Padmanartesvara [avatar Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara]
Pancaraksa[5 Goddesses]
Pandara [?]
Paramasva [?]
Parnasavari [?]
Prajna [Femaleness]
Prajnaparamita [Buddhist Text]
Ran-deng [Beggar and Future Buddha]
Ratnapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]
Ratnasambhava [Dhyani-Buddha]
Remanta [King of the Horse gods]
Sakyamuni [Japanese]
Samantabhadra [Bodhisattvas]
Saptaksara [avatar Heruka]
Shakra [King of the Gods]
Ssu Ta T'ien Wang [Kings of Heaven]
Sumbharaja [Buddhist Krodhadevata]
Tennin (Tennyo) [angels]
Usnisavijaya [?]
Vairocana [Dhyani-Buddhas]
Vaisravana (Pali Vessavana, Chinese Do Wen) [Guards World]
Vajrabhairava [?]
Vajrapani [Bodhisattvas]
Vajrasattva [Nepal Dhyani-Buddha]
Vajravarahi [?]
Vajrayogini [Initiation]
Vajrayogini [Riches]
Vidyadharas [?]
Vidyujjvalakarali [?]
Vighnantaka [?]
Virudhaka (Pali Virulha, Chinese Zheng Zhang) [Guards World]
Virupaksa (Pali Virupakkha, Chinese Guand Mu) [Guards Western Heaven]
Visvapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]
We-to [Divine General]
Yakushi Nyorai [Healing]
Yama [?]
Yamantaka [Krodhadevatas]
Zhu Dian (Zhu Tian) [Chinese Buddhist gods]
CHINESE GODS
Ao [Sea]
Awun [Destruction]
Ba [Drought]
Ba Gua [Basis of Divination]
Bo Hsian [Taoist]
Cai-Shen [Riches]
Can Cong [Silkworms]
Cao Guo-jiu [Actors]
Chang Fei [War]
Chang Hs'ien [Children]
Chang Kuo-lao [?]
Ch'ang E (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Moon]
Chang Tao Ling [Afterlife]
Cheng-huang (Ch'eng Huang) [Guardians]
Chen Jen [Spiritual Beings]
Cheng San-Kung [Fishermen]
Cheng Yuan Ho (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Buskers]
Chih Nu [Weavers]
Chih Sung-Tzu (Chi Sung Tzu) [Rain]
Chih-Yu [Inventor]
Ch'in-Shu-Pao [Guardian]
Chou Wang [Sodomy]
Chu-Chuan Shen [Pigsties]
Chu Jung [Fire]
Chu Lung [Day/Night]
Chung K'uei [Afterlife]
Chung-li Ch'uan [Immortal]
Confucius [Philosopher]
Di Zhang Xia [?]
Dong-yo Da-di [Helps Sky God]
Erh-Lang [Guardian]
Fan-K'uei [Butchers]
Fei Lien (Fei Lian) [Wind]
Feng-Huang (Hoang-female Phuong-male) [Many Meanings]
Feng Po (Feng-Po) [Human form of the wind]
Feng P'o-p'o (Feng-Po-Po) [Female wind]
Fo [Buddha]
Fu His [Taught Humanity]
Fu Hsing [Happiness]
Fu Shen [Happiness]
Fu-Shou-Lu [Collection of Gods]
Fu-xi [Hero]
Gao Yao (Ting-jian) [Judgement]
Gong Gong [Common Workers]
Gou Mang and Ru Shou [Messengers]
Guan Di (Kuan Ti) [War/Fortune Telling]
Gui Xian [Demon]
Han Hsiang [Immortal]
Han Xiang-zi [Immortal]
He Bo (Bing-yi) [Rivers]
Heng E (Change-e) [Moon]
He Xian-gu [Immortal]
Heng-Ha-Erh-Chiang [Temples]
Heng-o [Moon]
Ho Hsien-ku [Immortal]
Ho Po [River]
Hou Chi [Harvest]
Hou I [Archer]
Hou T'u [Earth]
Hsien [Taoists]
Hsi Ho [Sun's Creator]
Hsi Wang Mu [Guardian]
Hsuan-T'ien-Shang-Ti [Dark Heaven]
Hua Hsien [Flower]
Huang-di (Huang Ti) (Shun) [Hero]
Huang Fei-hu (Fei) [Mountain]
Hu-Shen [Hail]
I [Bowmen]
Infoniwoo [Generation]
I-Ti [Wine]
K'ai Lu Shen [Purges Evil]
Kuan Yu [War]
K'uei Hsing [Examinations]
Lan Cai-he [Immortal]
Lao T'ien Yeh [Supreme]
Lao-Tzu (Lao-zi) [Philosopher]
Lei Kung [Storm]
Lei-zi [Thunder]
Li [Fire]
Li Tie-guai [Immortal]
Liu [Crops]
Lu Dong-bin (Lu Yan) [Immortal]
Lu-Hsing [Salaries/Employees]
Lung Wang [Dragon King]
Lupan [Carpenters]
Ma-Mien [Bureaucrat]
Meng (Meng P'o) [Underworld]
Meng-T'ien [Writing Brush]
Men Shen [Doors, includes sometimes Wei Cheng]
Mu Gong [Immortals]
Niu-Y'oun [Police]
Nu Gua (Nu Kua, Nu Wa) [Creator and Marriage]
O-Mi-T'o Fo [Amitabha]
Pa [Drought]
Pa-Cha [Anti-locusts]
Pa-Hsien [Eight Immortals]
P'an-Chin-Lien [Prostitues]
'P'an Ku (Panku, Pangu) [Cosmos]
Pi-Hsia-Yuan-Chun [Childbirth]
Puhsien [Sun]
Ran-deng [Future Buddha]
San Ch'inga [Three Taos]
Shang Di (Shang Ti) [Supreme]
She Chi (Thu) [Earth]
Shen [Spirit]
Sheng Jen [Holy]
Shen-nong(Shen Nung) [Hero]
Shen-T'u [Guardian]
Shen Yi [Sun]
Shiang Ku [Magician]
Shih-Tien Yen-Wang [Committe of Ten]
Shou-Hsing [Longevity]
Shou Lao (Shou Xing Lao Tou-zi) [Long Life]
Shou-Ts'ang [Servant]
Shui-Fu [Water]
Shui-Kuan [Defender]
Ssu Ming [Life and Death]
Sung-Chiang [Theives]
Sun Hou-Tzu [Monkey]
Sun Hou-zi [Apes]
Sun-Pin [Cobblers]
T'ai I [High]
Tai-sui-xing [Time]
Tai-yi [Sky]
T'ai Yueh Ta Ti (Tung-Yueh-Ta-Ti, T'ai-Yo, Ta-Ti) [Peak]
Thu [Earth]
Tian [Sky]
Tian-zhu [Catholic]
Tien (T'ien) [Sky]
Tien-Hou (T'ien Fei) [Heaven]
T'ien-Kuan [Happiness]
T'ien Lung [Dragon]
Tien Mu [Lightening]
Tien-Wang (Mo-Li) [Kings]
Ti-Kuan [Foregiveness]
Ti Nu (Ti-ya) [Earth]
Ti-Tsang-Wang-Pu-Sa [Mercy]
Ti Yu [Afterlife]
Tou Nu [North Star]
Ts'ai-Lun [Stationers]
Ts'ai Shen [Wealth]
Tsan [Demons]
Ts'ang Chien [Hearth]
Tsao Shen [?]
Tsao-Wang [Hearth]
Tu [Earth]
Tung Wang Kung [Ruled Male Immortals]
T'u-ti (Ti-Ti) [Locality]
Wang [Palace Door]
Wang-Mu-Niang-Niang [Guardian]
Wen Ch'ang (Wen-Chang-Ta-Ti) [Literature]
Wen-Shu Yen-K'ung [Manjushri]
Wen Pu [Epidemics]
Wu Ti [Myth]
Xian [Spirits]
Xi-Wang-mu [Immortality]
Yama [Seventh hell]
Yan-lo (Yan Wang) [Underworld Prince]
Yao [Wind Conqueror]
Yao-shi-fo [Physician]
Yao Wang [Medicine]
Yeng-Wang-Yeh [Death]
Yen Wang (Yen Lo) [Underworld Judge]
Yin and Yang [Male and Female]
Yo Fei [War]
Yu-Chiang [Ocean Winds]
Yu-di (Yu Huang) [Supreme]
Yueh Fei [War]
Yu Huang (Yu-Huang-Shang-Ti) [High]
Yun T'ung [Clouds]
Yu-qiang [Sea]
Yu Shih [Rain]
Yu-tzu [Rain]
Zao Jun [Kitchen]
Zhang Guo-lao [Immortal]
Zhong-Kui [Literature and Examinations]
Zhong-li Quan [Immortal]
[Sources: Brief History of Ancient Chinese Mythology]
Finnish Gods:
Ahto [Water]
Akka [Harvest]
Egres [Vegetation/Fertility]
Hiisi [Forest/Evil]
Ilma [Air]
Ilmarinen [Sky]
Inmar [Sky]
Juma [Sky]
Jumala (Mader-Atcha, Ukk) [Thunder+]
Kalevanpojat [Demons]
Kalma [Death]
Kekri [Fertility Feast]
Kipu-Tytto [Illness]
Kondos [Sowing Crops]
Kuu [Moon]
Lemminkainen [Hero]
Louhi [Sorcery/Evil]
Loviatar [Disease]
Luonnotar [Creator]
Madderakka [Dwarves]
Maahiset [Dwarves]
Naaki [Water]
Nyrckes [?]
Olmai (Olmay) [Divine properties]
Pajainen [?]
Pajonn [Thunder]
Para [Goblin Like]
Pellonpekko [Barley]
Raudna [?]
Rutu [Devil]
Sampsa [Vegetation]
Seides [Stones]
Rauni [?]
Tapio [Forest]
Tiermes [Thunder]
Tuoni [Underworld
Tursas [Monster]
Ukko (Isainen) [Thunder]
Vainamoinen [Hero]
Veralden-radien [World Pillars]
Waralden Olmai [World]
JAPANESE GODS
Aji-Suki-Taka-Hi-Kone (Aji-Shiki-Taka-Hiko-Ne) [Thunder]
Ama-No-Minakanushi-No-Kumi [Pole Star]
Ame-No-Oshido-Mimi [Refusal]
Ama-No-Uzume [Fertility]
Ama-Tsu-Kami [Heavenly Gods]
Amatsu Mikaboshi [Evil]
Ame-No-Hohi [Disappeared]
Ame-No-Wakahiko [Ruled Earth]
Bimbo-Gami [Poverty]
Bishamon [War]
Chimata-No-Kami [Rain/Sea]
Daikoku [Wealth]
Ebisu [Labor]
Fuchi [Fire]
Fukurokuju (Fukuro kuju) [Wisdom]
Futsunushi [Lightening]
Gozu-Tenno [Plague]
Haya-Ji (Haya-Tsu-Muji-No-Kami) [Whirlwind]
Hikohohodemi [Hero]
Hinokagutsuchi [Fire]
Hiruko [Morning Sun]
Hoderi [?]
Hisa-Me [Devils]
Ho-Masubi (Kagu Zuchi) [Fire]
Hosuseri [?]
Hotei [Laughter]
Inari [Prosperity]
Izanagi [Creator]
Izanami [Mother]
Jikoku [Guardians]
Jimmu Tenno [Founder]
Jurojin (Jorojin) [Longevity]
Kagu-tsuchi [Fire]
Kamado-gami [Hearth]
Kami [Divinities]
Kami-Musubi (Kami-mi-masubi) [?]
Kami-Nari [Thunder]
Kamui [Sky]
Kappa [Water]
Kawa-No-Kami [Rivers]
Kishijoten [Luck]
Kishimojin [Demon]
Komoku [South]
Kompira [Wealth]
Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime (Kono-no-hana-saku-ya-hime) [?]
Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime Kuni-Toko-tachi [First]
Kuni-Tsu-Kami [Earth]
Kura-Okami [Rain/Snow]
Nai-No-Kami [Earthquakes]
Naka-Yama-Tsu-Mi [Mountain Slopes]
Ningyo [Mermaid]
Ninigi [Ruler Earth]
O-Kuni-Nushi (Okuninushi) [Medicine/Sorcery]
Onamuji [Earth]
Omiwa [Protective]
Oni [Demons]
O-Wata-Tsumi [Sea]
O-Yama-Tsu-Mi (O-yama-tsuni) [Mountain]
Raiden [Thunder]
Ryo-Wo [Sea]
Ryujin (Ryugin) [Thunder/Rain]
Sae-No-Kami [Roads]
Sengen-Sama [Guarded Holy Moutain]
Sennin [Immortals]
Shichi-Fukujin [Luck]
Shiko-Me [Devils]
Shine-Tsu-Hiko [Wind]
Shitatera-Hime [?]
Shi-tenno [Cardinal Direction Guardians]
Shojo [Satyrs]
Soko-No-Kuni [Underworld]
Suitengu [Sea]
Sukuna-bikone (Suku-na-biko) [Hot Springs]
Shoki [Enemy of Devils]
Susanowo (Susanoo, Susa-no-wo) [Storms]
Takamimusubi (Taka-mi-masubi) [Royal Family]
Takemikadzuchi [Thunder]
Take-Mi-Musubi [Sun]
Taki-Tsu-Hiko [Rain]
Tatsuta-hime [Autumn]
Ten-gu (Tengu) [Mountain/Forest]
Tenjin (Temmangu) [Learning/Calligraphy]
Tsuki-Yomi (Tsukiyomi) [Moon]
Uji-gami [Ancestors]
Uke-Mochi-No-Kami (Ukemochi, Waka-Uke-Nomi, Toyo-Uke-Bime) [Fertility
and Food]
Uzume [Mirth]
Wakahiru-me [Rising Sun]\
Wata-tsu-mi [Sea]
Yabune [House]
Zocho [South]
Shinto Amaterasu [Sun]
Ama-Tsu-Mara [Smiths]
Ame-No-Kagase-Wo [Astral]
Ame-No-Mi-Kumari-No-Kami [Water]
Amenominakanushi (Ame-No-Minaka-Nushi-No-Kami) [Supreme]
Am-No-Tanabata-Hime-No-Mikoto [Weavers]
Ame-No-Toko-Tachi-No-Kami [Elemental]
Ame-no-uzume [Dancers]
Benten (Benten-San, Benzaiten, Benzaiten) [Eloquence+]
Fujin [Wind]
Hachiman [War]
Ho-musubi [Fire]
Kami [Idols]
SOUTH ASIAN GODS
Cao Dai(Chinese: Gao-Tai) [Supreme]
Debata [?]
Empung Luminuut [?]
Hainuwele [?]
Hananim [Sky]
Hmin [Ague]
Karei [Supreme]
Kinharingan [Creator]
Kud [Evil]
Laseo [Sun]
Lature Dano [Supreme]
Lowalangi(Lowalani) [World Above]
Mahatala (Mahataral) [Supreme?]
Ma-zu [?]
Nanmata (Namite) [Primeval]
Narbrooi [Woodlands]
Nemu [Primodial]
Palk [Sun]
Puang Matowa [Sky]
Pulug [Thunder]
Reahu [Dark Demon]
Rigenmucha [Supreme]
Silewe Nazarata [?]
Sirao [First]
Ta Pedn [?]
Tnong [Sun]
Tumbrenjak [Original Man]
Upulevo [Sun]
Wunekau [Sun]
CENRAL AND WEST ASIAN GODS
Abyrga [Snake]
Afi [Rain/Thunderstorms]
Aitvaras [Evil]
Alardi [Spirit]
Aralo [Agriculutre]
Armaz [Supreme]
Auseklis (Ausrine) [Stellar]
Baba [Spirit]
Baba Yaga (Jezi-Baba) [Ogress]
Bagvarti [?]
Bangputys [Sea]
Bannik [Baths]
Bagisht [Flood/Prosperity]
Barastir (Barastaer) [Underworld]
Bardha [Elves]
Beg-tse (Cam-srin) [War]
Beng [Satan]
Biegg-Olmai [Wind]
Bogatyri [Heroes]
Boldogasszony (Kisboldogasszony) [Protector Women/Children]
Bolla (Bullar) [Demon]
Buga [Supreme]
Bukura e dheut
[Good Spirit]
Bukuri e qiellit [Jehovah]
Byelobog (Bielbog) [?]
Byelun [?]
Chernobo(Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [?]
Chors [Sun]
Dabog [Sun]
Deive [Stone Spirits]
Dieva deli [?]
Dievini [Less Known Gods]
Dievs [Sky]
Djall [Devil]
Domovoi (Domovoy) [Household]
Donbittir [Water/Fish]
Drag-gshed [Eight Terrible Gods]
Dud [Heavenly Spirit]
Dvorovoi [Courtyard]
Dyavo [Demons]
En [?]
Erlik [King of the Dead]
Es [Sky]
Fatit [Destiny]
Fene [Demon]
Gabija (Gabieta, Gabeta) [Fire]
Gabjauja [Corn]
Giltine [Death]
Guta [Demon]
Hadur [War]
Himavat [Himalayas]
Horagalles [War]
Isdustaya and Papaya [Fate]
Isten [Supreme]
Jagaubis [Fire]
Jarovit (Gerovitus) [War]
Jessis [avatar Jupiter]
Jumis [Fertility]
Juras Mate [Water]
Kaka-Guia [Funerary]
Kalvis [Smith]
Karta [Fate]
Kaukas [?]
Khors [Health/Hunting]
Khyung-gai mGo-can [?]
Kikimora [Household]
K'op'ala [Protective]
Kukuth (Kukudhi) [Sickness]
Kulshedra (Kucedre) [Demon]
Kun-tu-bzan-po [Chief Bon]
Kupala [Water/Magic/Herbs]
Kurdalaegon [Blacksmiths]
Laima [Fate]
Lamaria [Hearth]
Laskowice (Leshcia) [Forest]
Lauka Mate [Fields/Fertility]
Laume [Fairy]
Leshy [Forest]
Lha [Bon Gods]
Lhamo [?]
Ljeschi (Lychie) [Fauns and Satyrs]
Ljubi [Demon]
Manzasiri [Primeval]
Mate [Mother]
Mati Syra Zemlya [Earth]
Medeine (Mejdejn) [Woods]
Meness [Moon]
Menulis [Moon]
Meza Mate [Nature]
Mirsa [Light]
Mokos [Fertility]
Mu (rMu) [Heavenly]
Muma Padura [Wood]
Myesyats (Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [Moon]
Nang Lha [Household]
Nari [Demon]
Nari [Sky]
Num [Sky]
Odqan [Fire]
Ora [Protective]
Ordog [Dark]
Pekar (Pehar) [Demon]
Peko [Barley]
Perendi [Jehovah]
Perit [Mountain Spirits]
Perkons [Thunder]
Perkunas [Thunder]
Perun (Peroun) [Thunder]
Polevik [Field]
Poludnitsa [Field]
Pon [Sky]
Porenutius (Porevit) [?]
Preas Eyn [?]
Preas Eyssaur [Destructive]
Preas Prohm [Primeval]
Prende (Prenne) [Love]
Psezpolnica (Polish Poludnica) [Midday]
Pugu [Sun]
Qormusta (Chormusta) [High]
Rugievit [War]
Rusalki (Rusalka) [Water/Woodlands]
Safa [Weapens]
Sanda [?]
Sarkany [Weather]
Saule [Sun]
Saules meitas [?]
Selardi [Moon]
Shen-Lha-od-dkar [Bon]
Shen-rab [Founder Bon]
Sipe Gyalmo [Bon]
Shiwini [Sun]
Shosshu [Smiths]
Siwini [Sun]
Srat [Demon]
Sri [Demon]
Sridevi [?]
Stribog [Winds]
Svantevit (Svantoveit, Svantovitus) [War/Agriculture]
Svarog [Sky]
Syen [Guardian]
Stihi [Demon]
Teljavelik [Heavenly Smith]
Telyaveli [Smiths]
Tengri [Heavenly Beings]
Tesheba [Weather]
Thab-lha [Hearth]
Triglav (Trigelawus) [War]
Uacilla [Thunder/Rain]
Ulgen [Creator]
Urme [Fate]
Usins [?]
Vadatajs [Evil]
Vampire [Soul of Dead]
Veela [Kindess]
Veja mate [Winds]
Veles (Volos) [Underworld]
Velnias [Devil]
Velu mate [Dead]
Verbti [Fire/North Wind]
Vila [Water]
Vilkacis (Lithuanian Vilkatas) [Werewolf]
Vlkodlaks (Vookodlaks) [Werewolf]
Vodnik [Demon]
Vodyanoi [Water]
Volos (Volusu) [Cattle]
We [Supreme]
Xhindi [Spirits]
Yarilo [Love]
Zaltys [Grass Snake]
Zemepatis (Zemempatis) [Supreme]
Zemes mate [Mother]
Zemyna (Zemyneles) [Earth]
Zorya [Guardian]
Zvezda Dennitsa and Zvezda Vechernyaya [Morning and Evening Star]
SIBERIAN GODS
Ai Tojon [Light]
Ajysyt [Mother]
Anky-Kele [Sea]
Ayi [Creator]
Hittavainen, Hittauanin [Hare-Hunters]
Hinkon [Death Demon]
K'daai [Fire Demon]
Kaltes [The Goddess]
Ke'lets [Death Demon]
Kurkil [Creator]
Kutkinnaku [Good Spirit]
Mayin [Supreme]
Picvu'cin [Hunting/Wild Animals]
Shurdi [Thunderstorms]
Tomam [Bird]
Tomor(Tomorr) [Father Creator]
Xucau [Supreme]
Ye'loje (Pugu) [Sun]
=D6rd=F6g
Beware of the man whose God is in the skies." Bernard Shaw
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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19 May 2006 05:48:47 AM |
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On 19 May 2006 03:31:38 -0700, "Ordog" <odbok001@sneakemail.com>
wrote:
DSRM wrote:
Ordog wrote:
Correct, but! What we observe from the existing Universe up to date
does not indicate the existence of a supernatural being. Of course, no
one can say that the existence of such a being is not possible. But we
can say that it is not necessary for explanation of the observed
aspects of the Universe. In fact, the introduction of such a
hypothetical being would complicate the explanation of observed
phenomena. Hence Occam's razor.
How can science explain something from nothing?
It observes it happening as part of Quantum mechanics.
Where did the matter that started the big bang and the ever expanding
universe come from?
What "matter that started the big bang"? Why do so many theists
proudly parade their ignorance.
Ask on talk.or gins where it will be explained that it was not matter.
And that there are several speculations that fit scientific
understanding without breaking known laws.
As I have stated above I am reluctant to enter a discussion on theism
in a political NG. Keeping to religion and its effects on modern
society is a lot more ON TOPC subject. If you insist on discussings
theism do it in the appropriate forums like alt.agnosticism, alt,
atheism, talk.atheism, sci.skeptic, soc.atheism and
uk.philosophy.atheism.
It's off topic in alt.atheism as well, which was set up by atheists to
discuss atheist issues.
Not theism.
Talk.origins was specifically set up to try and educate ignorant
religionists in leading edge science.
How can science explain something from nothing.
Quantum mechanics can give examples. Which is nothing to do with
atheism, no matter how many ignorant theists imagine it is. Science
does not equal atheism or vice versa.
Try reading scientific articles. The answer to at least some of your
questions is there.
It cant because its not rational. That leads to the more rational
assumption that something "super" natural occured. Or a supernatural
being exists.
*****. The universe is considered by modern cosmology to be a zero
sum: matter plus energy plus antimatter plus gravity all adds up to
zero.
There is nothing that leads to the remotest suspicion of the
supernatural let alone a supernatural being.
There is nothing rational about he poster's arguments from personal
ignorance and incredulity, and the only reason even to suggest a
supernatural being is religious belief.
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| User: "DSRM" |
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19 May 2006 08:25:42 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
How can science explain something from nothing?
It observes it happening as part of Quantum mechanics.
Whem Quantum physisists concur on the matter let me know - if its so
bloody obvious JUST spit it out.
Where did the matter that started the big bang and the ever expanding
universe come from?
What "matter that started the big bang"? Why do so many theists
proudly parade their ignorance.
Ask on talk.or gins where it will be explained that it was not matter.
And that there are several speculations that fit scientific
understanding without breaking known laws.
In physical cosmology, the Big Bang is the scientific theory that the
universe emerged from an enormously dense and hot state about 13.7
billion years ago. The Big Bang theory is based on the observed
Hubble's law redshift of distant galaxies that when taken together with
the cosmological principle indicate that space is expanding according
to the Friedmann-Lema=EEtre model of general relativity. Extrapolated
into the past, these observations show that the universe has expanded
from a state in which all the MATTER and energy in the universe was at
an immense temperature and density.
***Physicists do not widely agree on what happened before this***
although general relativity predicts a gravitational singularity (for
reporting on some of the more notable speculation on this issue, see
cosmogony).
Talk.origins was specifically set up to try and educate ignorant
religionists in leading edge science.
How can science explain something from nothing.
Quantum mechanics can give examples. Which is nothing to do with
atheism, no matter how many ignorant theists imagine it is. Science
does not equal atheism or vice versa.
and they concur on the MATTER - your yet to convince me
Try reading scientific articles. The answer to at least some of your
questions is there.
It cant because its not rational. That leads to the more rational
assumption that something "super" natural occured. Or a supernatural
being exists.
*****. The universe is considered by modern cosmology to be a zero
sum: matter plus energy plus antimatter plus gravity all adds up to
zero.
There is nothing that leads to the remotest suspicion of the
supernatural let alone a supernatural being.
very scientific analysis that is - why would a supernatural being able
to perform miracles neccasarily conform with physics. Many believe our
very existence is evidence of it.
There is nothing rational about he poster's arguments from personal
ignorance and incredulity, and the only reason even to suggest a
supernatural being is religious belief.
If I am to believe God exists I would say God is beyond physical
natural constraints in effect super natural - religious belief can be
based on the that scenario - that hat with the propeller on its a bit
tight I think. real credible you are
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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19 May 2006 11:32:12 AM |
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DSRM <dsrm65@yahoo.com.au> wrote in alt.atheism
<snip>
If I am to believe God exists I would say God is beyond physical
natural constraints in effect super natural - religious belief can be
based on the that scenario
So your god is a god of the gaps, just like so many other people's
seems to be.
If there's something you don't have an answer for, or don't
understand, it's easier to label it "supernatural" instead of "unknown
for now." You stick all the unknowns into a box and label it
"supernatural" or "caused by your god." An invisible god which can't
even be proven to exist, but your solution is more comforting to you
for what reason?
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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19 May 2006 09:03:15 AM |
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On 19 May 2006 06:25:42 -0700, "DSRM" <dsrm65@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
How can science explain something from nothing?
Ask on talk.origins. It is neither a political nor an atheist issue.
It observes it happening as part of Quantum mechanics.
Whem Quantum physisists concur on the matter let me know - if its so
bloody obvious JUST spit it out.
It has been observed in QM. Where the disagreement is, is in the
explanation why it happens.
But this is not an atheist issue.
Why don't you ask on talk. Origins? Note: ASK, not tell.
Where did the matter that started the big bang and the ever expanding
universe come from?
What "matter that started the big bang"? Why do so many theists
proudly parade their ignorance.
Ask on talk.or gins where it will be explained that it was not matter.
And that there are several speculations that fit scientific
understanding without breaking known laws.
In physical cosmology, the Big Bang is the scientific theory that the
universe emerged from an enormously dense and hot state about 13.7
billion years ago. The Big Bang theory is based on the observed
Hubble's law redshift of distant galaxies that when taken together with
the cosmological principle indicate that space is expanding according
to the Friedmann-Lemaître model of general relativity. Extrapolated
into the past, these observations show that the universe has expanded
from a state in which all the MATTER and energy in the universe was at
an immense temperature and density.
Again, what "matter that started the big bang"?
Once again, you parade your ignorance.
The whole of spacetime expanded from the singularity.
***Physicists do not widely agree on what happened before this***
What a remarkably stupid, ignorant statement.
Physcists do not know because there is no data.At the moment they can
only go back to 10^-43 of a second after it. So they SPECULATE. Do you
know what that word means? But at least the speculations are based on
reality. Unlike those that invent the sypernatural out of ignorance.
They admit that suggestions like the big bang being the result of a
quantum fluctuation are speculation. At least quantum events are known
- no matter how much religious fundamentalists pretend they aren't.
Unlike brainwashed religionists who insist that their totally
unjustified presumption of their deity, is the correct explanation.
although general relativity predicts a gravitational singularity (for
reporting on some of the more notable speculation on this issue, see
cosmogony).
The spacetime singularity is confirmed and not controversial. Nothing
has been found which contradicts it.
And it is is not the "matter" of your strawman.
Talk.origins was specifically set up to try and educate ignorant
religionists in leading edge science.
Why didn't you ask there, troll?
How can science explain something from nothing.
Quantum mechanics can give examples. Which is nothing to do with
atheism, no matter how many ignorant theists imagine it is. Science
does not equal atheism or vice versa.
and they concur on the MATTER - your yet to convince me
They concur on the existence of the effects and their observations.
The disagreement is in the explanation for this..
Translation: You're not here to be educated but just rub your
ignorance in our faces.
Science does not equal atheism, or vice versa.
Nor is cosmology some kind of atheist catechism.
You want detailed answers, go to talk.origins or one of the scientific
newsgroups where you will get a more detailed explanation.
But from your performance here you won't accept a layman's
understanding, nor anything dumbed down to your level.
Try reading scientific articles. The answer to at least some of your
questions is there.
It cant because its not rational. That leads to the more rational
assumption that something "super" natural occured. Or a supernatural
being exists.
*****. The universe is considered by modern cosmology to be a zero
sum: matter plus energy plus antimatter plus gravity all adds up to
zero.
There is nothing that leads to the remotest suspicion of the
supernatural let alone a supernatural being.
very scientific analysis that is - why would a supernatural being able
to perform miracles neccasarily conform with physics. Many believe our
very existence is evidence of it.
What "supernatural being", idiot? The one you pluck out of nothing
because you can't be bothered to look for answers in reality?
And how the ***** is "our very existence" evidence for a supernatural
being?
Because you have been brainwashed since childhood to connect the two?
I suggest you look up "non sequitur".
There is nothing rational about he poster's arguments from personal
ignorance and incredulity, and the only reason even to suggest a
supernatural being is religious belief.
If I am to believe God exists I would say God is beyond physical
natural constraints in effect super natural - religious belief can be
based on the that scenario - that hat with the propeller on its a bit
tight I think. real credible you are
What's "God"? Start from objective reality and give a reason to
conclude it rather than presuming it as a resltof religious
indoctrination.
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| User: "DSRM" |
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19 May 2006 10:53:43 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
What's "God"? Start from objective reality and give a reason to
conclude it rather than presuming it as a resutof religious
indoctrination.
the topic under discussoin at the very least
to cut a long story short the question was:
How can science explain something from nothing?
Christopher A. Lee wrote:> It observes it happening as part of Quantum
mechanics.
So weve gone from observation to speculation now - thats what I wanted
to hear.
Wish you had of said that in the first fucking place.
Not my words:
Epistemological limitations to cosmogony
The assumptions of naturalism that underly the scientific method have
led some scientists, especially observationalists to question whether
the ultimate reason or source for the universe to exist can be answered
in a scientific fashion. In particular, the principle of sufficient
reason seems to indicate that there should be such an explanation, but
whether a satisfactory explanation can be obtained through scientific
inquiry is debatable. Theistic explanations for origins indicate that
one or more deity is the explanation, though some atheistic
commentators point to this as an argument from ignorance or a God of
the gaps fallacy.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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20 May 2006 07:12:37 AM |
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DSRM <dsrm65@yahoo.com.au> wrote in alt.atheism
Theistic explanations for origins indicate that one or more deity
is the explanation, though some atheistic commentators point to
this as an argument from ignorance or a God of the gaps fallacy.
That's because that's what it is. Can't explain something? "God did
it," is the lazy superstitious way out.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Rod" |
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20 May 2006 08:26:58 AM |
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On Sat, 20 May 2006 12:12:37 GMT Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
:> DSRM <dsrm65@yahoo.com.au> wrote in alt.atheism
:>
:> > Theistic explanations for origins indicate that one or more deity
:> > is the explanation, though some atheistic commentators point to
:> > this as an argument from ignorance or a God of the gaps fallacy.
elroywillis:
:> That's because that's what it is. Can't explain something? "God did
:> it," is the lazy superstitious way out.
Haven't you heard? It's not a "God", it's the "Casimar
Effect". That other bloke said so ---- though he can't show
us one of these effects. We just have to have Faith.
Cheers,
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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20 May 2006 07:03:33 PM |
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On Sat, 20 May 2006 23:26:58 +1000, Rod <Siegen032005@end.of.message>
wrote:
- Refer: <t56u62lc1nmhq6k1vaiio1e1a60em6s3gi@4ax.com>
On Sat, 20 May 2006 12:12:37 GMT Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
:> DSRM <dsrm65@yahoo.com.au> wrote in alt.atheism
:>
:> > Theistic explanations for origins indicate that one or more deity
:> > is the explanation, though some atheistic commentators point to
:> > this as an argument from ignorance or a God of the gaps fallacy.
elroywillis:
:> That's because that's what it is. Can't explain something? "God did
:> it," is the lazy superstitious way out.
Haven't you heard? It's not a "God", it's the "Casimar
Effect". That other bloke said so ---- though he can't show
us one of these effects. We just have to have Faith.
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Now who's lying, and calling others names?
It's the "Casimir" effect, I can show you.
There are many scholarly references to demonstrations of the effect,
and I have told you what to do if you want to see it "in the flesh".
You lied about me, and my intent.
Withdraw the offensive remarks to my person and apologise, please.
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| User: "Rod" |
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21 May 2006 05:50:11 AM |
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On Sun, 21 May 2006 09:33:33 +0930 Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
<snip>
:> You lied about me, and my intent.
You wrote and posted it, not I.
I read your post and commented on it. This is what you
wanted is it not or did you want your post to be ignored
unless agreed with?
:> Withdraw the offensive remarks to my person and apologise, please.
After you have withdrawn your offencive remarks about people
of religious Faith and have apologised to them, I may
consider indulging you. Till then .... keep the tissues
handy.
If you think you've been badly done by here then find a
Moslem group and try telling them that their "God" is just a
figment of their imagination. You'll receive a real
"education" I'm sure.
Cheers and no tears.
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21 May 2006 07:51:49 AM |
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In <v0f072l1pcqe0l7v60octk06h0f33a4lp3@4ax.com>, on 05/21/06
at 08:50 PM, Rod <Siegen032005@end.of.message> said:
On Sun, 21 May 2006 09:33:33 +0930 Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
<snip>
:> You lied about me, and my intent.
You wrote and posted it, not I.
I read your post and commented on it. This is what you
wanted is it not or did you want your post to be ignored
unless agreed with?
:> Withdraw the offensive remarks to my person and apologise, please.
After you have withdrawn your offencive remarks about people of religious
Faith and have apologised to them, I may
What is religion, under which catgergory of mythology does one \find it?
consider indulging you. Till then .... keep the tissues
handy.
Ah, one of those. OK fine. Let me see if I understand you, mythology must
not be held up for examination & the ridicule that naturally follows?
In that case, which one of these gods, goddesses & minor gods do you
believe in, so I may make a point of examining & ridiculing it. Mind you,
that all the following have equal validity according to the evidence [not
claims] that believers can provide.
A-a(Aya)[Babylonian] A-a[Babylon-Akkadian] Aah (Aah-te-Huti)[Egypt]
Moon A'akuluujjusi[N. Amer.]
Aapep[Egypt] Serpent
A'as[Hittite-Hurrian]
Aatxe[Basque]
Aatxe[Basque] In spite of the name meaning "young bull', he is not a
fertility god, but an evil spirit that leaves its cave on those dark &
stormy nights, & if that is not bad enough, it may assume human form, so
you need to be careful when you open your door on those dark & stormy
nights. You think that is bad, it also assumes the name Etsai, "devil", so
it can instruct its followers in arts. Aba[N. Amer.]
Abaangui[N. Amer.]
Ababinili[N. Amer.]
abaddon As a proper name its only found in the NT, Revalations 9:11
depending on which version of the NT one is using. Aba-Inka[N. Amer.]
Abalim[Judaic]
Abandinus
Abarta
Abarta[Celtic]Feats
Abassi[Africa]
Abathur[Persia]
Abba Amona[Judaic]
Abba[Judaic]
Abbas[Arabic]
Abbaye[Judaic]
Abdallah[Arabic]
Abdals[Arabic]
Abdu'r-Rahman[Arabic]
Abellio
Abellio[Celtic]Apple Trees
Abgaledit[Arabic]
Abhean
Abhean[Celtic]Harpers
Abhijit[Hindu]
Abhijnaraja[Buddhist] Physician
Abhijnaraja[Buddhist-Lamaist]
Abhimukhi[Buddhist]
Abhimukhi[Buddhist] One of the Bhumis
Abnoba
Abonsam[Africa]
Abracadabra[Judaic]
Abraxis[Judaic]
Abu Jahl[Arabic]
Abuk[Africa]
Abyss[Judaic]
Ac Yanto[Mayan]
Ac Yanto[Mayann
Acacila[Aymara]
Acala[Buddhist]
Acalia[Ayrama]
Acan[Mayan]
Acat[Mayan]
Acchupta[Jain]
Acha[Judaic]
Achall
Achiyalatopa[N. Amer.]
Achtan
Achtland
Acla[Buddhist]
Acolmiztli[Aztec]
Acolnahuacatl[Aztec]
Acolnahuachtli[Aztec]
Acuecucyoticihuati[Aztec]
Ad[Arabic]
Adad(Sumerian Ishkur, West Semitic Hadad or Addu)[Assyrian]
Adad[Babylon-Akkadian]
Adam Beliyya'al'[Judaic]
Adam Kadmon[Judaic]
Adam Kasia[Persia]
Adamas[Gnostic Christian]
Adaox[N. Amer.]
Adaro[Lugbara]
adat Technically, as in pre-Jewish mythology, the word was a masculine
indicator for either a god or Male. It meant Lord. Adawulcanak[N. Amer.]
addirim The noble ones
Adekagagwaa[N. Amer.]
Adhimukticarya[Buddhist]
Adhimukticarya[Buddhist]One of the Bhumis
Adhimuktivasita[Buddhist]
Adhimuktivasita[Buddhist] One of the Bhumis
Adibuddha[Buddhist]
Adibuddha[Buddhist] First
Adidharma[Buddhist] Primeval
Adidharma[Buddhist-Lamaist]
Adimunti[Hindu]
Adimurti[Hindu]
Aditi[Hindu]
Aditya[Hindu]
Adityas[Hindu]
Adjassou-Linguetor[Vodun]
Adjinakou[Vodun]
Adlet[N. Amer.]
Adlivun[N. Amer.]
Adn[Arabic]
adon Actually means Lord, & is applied to gods & males. Derived from the
'ãdôn, Aramic mara' it denotes one's authority. Adonai[Judaic]
Adonaiel[Judaic]
adonay Applied to men & Yahweh in particular.
adonis Originally meant lord which is of course, applied to men & gods.
This divine name is found in the LXX as well as the Vulgate[Ezeckiel 8:14]
As the Darling of women, he can possibly occurs in Daniel 11:37 & perhaps
as Adonis, in Isaiah. Adonis[Greek]
Adra[Hindu]
adrammelech II Kings 17:31 Sepharvite God.
Adrammelech[Babylonian]
Adrastea[Greek]
Adro[Lugbara]
Adroa[Africa]
Adroanzi[Africa]
Adsullata
Adsullata[Celtic]River
Adur[Basque]
Adya Houn'tò[Vodun]
Aecos[Greco-Roman]
Aed[Celtic]
Aed[Celtic]Underworld
Aegir[Icelandic]
Aelquntam[N. Amer.]
Aengus
Aengus[Celtic]Altjira[Aboriginal] Sky
Aengus[Celtic]Love/Youth
Aeolos[Greek]
Aericura
Aes Sidhe
Aes Sidhe[Celtic]Hill People
Aesir[Icelandic]
Aesma Daeva[Persia]
Aether[Greco-Roman]
Aeval
Afrit[Arabic]
Aganju[Africa]
Agas[Persia]
A-gaskw[N. Amer.]
Agassou[Vodun]
Agastya[Hindu]
Agathus Daimon[Greco-Roman]
Agé[Africa]
Age[Fon]
Aghora[Hindu]
Agla[Judaic]
Aglibol[Arabic]
Agloolik[N. Amer.]
Agni[Hindu]
Agnikumara[Jain]
Agnostos Theos[Greco-Roman]
'agojo so'jo[N. Amer.]
Agrona
Agrona[Celtic]Strife/Slaughter
Aguara[N. Amer.]
agudar[N. Amer.]
Agu'gux[Aleut]
Agugux'[N. Amer.]
Agwe[Africa]
Agwe[Vodun]
Ah Bolom Tzacab[Mayan]
Ah Bolon Dz'acab[Mayan]
Ah Cancum[Mayan]
Ah Chun Caan[Mayan]
Ah Chuy Kak[Mayan]
Ah Ciliz[Mayan]
Ah Cliz[Mayan]
Ah Cun Can[Mayan]
Ah Cuxtal[Mayan]
Ah Hulneb[Mayan]
Ah Kin Xoc[Mayan]
Ah Kin[Mayan]
Ah Kumix Uinicob[Mayan]
Ah Kumix Unicob[Mayan]
Ah Mun[Mayan]
Ah Muzencab[Mayan]
Ah Patnar Uinicob[Mayan]
Ah Patnar Unicob[Mayan]
Ah Peku[Mayan]
Ah Puch[Mayan]
Ah Tabai[Mayan]
Ah Toltecat[Aztec]
Ah Uincir Dz'acab[Mayan]
Ah uincir Dz'acb[Mayan]
Ah Uuc Ticab[Mayan]
Aha Njoku[Africa]
Ahau Chamahez[Mayan]
Ahau-Kin[Mayan]
Ahduth[Judaic]
Ahitescatoneh[N. Amer.]
Ahl Al-Badr[Arabic]
Ahmad[Arabic]
Ahmakiq[Mayan]
Aholi[N. Amer.]
Ahone[N. Amer.]
Ahriman[Persia]
Ahsonnutli[N. Amer.]
Ahuizotle[N. Amer.]
Ahul[N. Amer.]
Ahulane[Mayan]
Ahura Mazda[Persia]
Ahura[Persia]
Ahurani[Persia]
Ai
Ai Apaec[Mochia]
Ai(Aoi Mac Ollamain)[Celtic]Poetry
Aibell
Aibell(Aoibhell)[Celtic]Air-Fairy
Aide[Basque]
Aide[Basque] ( Aideko ) Whether this wind goddess is good or evil depends
on how vigorous her winds are. Aideko[Basque]
Aigamuxa[Africa]
Aillen
Aillen[Celtic]Monster
Aimend
Aimend[Celtic]Sun
Ain
Aine
Aine[Celtic]
Aine[Celtic]Love/Fertility
aion Considered by some scholars as a deity found as the evil ruler in
Eph. 2:2, 7:3-9, Col. 1:26. In this aspect, he is the evil ruler of the
cosmos. Aipaloovik[N. Amer.]
Aireskouy Soutanditnr[N. Amer.]
Airitech
Airitech[Celtic]Creature
Airmed
Airyaman[Persia]
Aisoyimstan[N. Amer.]
Aita[Etruscan]
Aizen Myo-o[Buddhist] Protective
Aja[Africa]
Ajalamo[Yoruba]
Ajaya[Buddhist]
Ajbit[Mayan]
Aje[Yoruba]
Ajeru[Egypt]
Ajilee[N. Amer.]
Ajok[Africa]
Ajtzak[Mayan]
Aka Manah[Persia]
Akasagarbha[Buddhist]
Akasagarbha[Buddhist](Tibetan Nam-mkhai snying-po)Celestial
Akatriel-Yah[Judaic]
Akbaalia[N. Amer.]
Akba-atatdia[N. Amer.]
Akelos[Greek]
Aken[Egypt]
Aken[Egypt] Underworld
Akephalos[Egypt] Demon
Aker[Egypt]
Aker[Egypt] Earth
Akerbeltz[Basque]
Akerbeltz[Basque]A manifestation of Mari, specifically a black Billy goat.
Of course, this protective aspect for all the hers was quickly demonized
once the Christians showed up. Akeru[Egypt] Earth
Akhlut[N. Amer.]
Akhushtal[Mayan]
Akna[N. Amer.]
Akondi[Africa]
Akongo[Africa]
Akongo[Ngombe]
Aksayajnana-Karmanda[Buddhist]
Aksayajnana-Karmanda[Buddhist] Literature
Aksobhya[Buddhist]
Aksobhya[Buddhist] (Japanese Ashuku, Chinese A-Chu'u) One of the Dhyani
Aktunowihio[N. Amer.]
Akycha[N. Amer.]
Al Araf[Arabic]
Al Borak[Arabic]
Al Kadr[Arabic]
Al Sirat[Arabic]
al/alay In Hebrew, it is ali or eli which is the short form of
elon['lwyn]. Though equated with yhwh, elyon has been linked to the
Cannanite as a diety, &/or an epitet. It took time, & the redaction of the
Israelite myth to equate yhwh with elyon. Ala[Africa]
Ala[Ibo]
Alad Udug Lama[Babylon-Akkadian]
Alaghom Naom Tzentel[Mayan]
Alaghom Naom[Mayan]
Alalu[Hittite-Hurrian]
Alapay Mishupashup[N. Amer.]
Alatangana[Kono]
Alaunus
Albino Spirit animals[N. Amer.]
Albiorix
Alcis[Germanic]
Alektca[N. Amer.]
ali
Alignak[N. Amer.]
Alisanos
Alisanos (Alisaunus)[Celtic]Local
Alitha[Judaic]
aliyan An epithet of baal, though the argument has been forwarded that it
is a divine name. The evidence to date does not support this claim.
Alk'unta'm[Belle Coola]
Alkuntam[N. Amer.]
Allah[Arabic]
Allah[Islam]
Allanque [N. Amer.]
Allat[Arabic]
Allatum[Persia]
Allowat Sakima[N. Amer.]
Almaqah[Arabic]
Alom[Mayan]
Alom-bag-winno-sis[N. Amer.]
Alom-begwi-no-sis[N. Amer.]
Alowatsakima[N. Amer.]
Alpan[Etruscan]
Alpanu[Etruscan]
Alqol ti Mani t'aix[N. Amer.]
Altar[Judaic]
Alukah[Judaic]
aluqqah The Jewish version of vampires.
Alyasa'[Arabic]
Alyeong[Korea]
am A divine name found in the regions that included the Ammorites, a
theophric element that is found in the place where a god's name would be
found. Ama Itsaso[Basque]
Ama-arhus[Babylon-Akkadian]
Ama-arhus[Babylonian]
Amadlozi[Africa]
Amaethon
Amaethon[Celtic]
Amaethon[Celtic]Agriculture
Amaguq[N. Amer.]
Amala[N. Amer.]
amalek A mountain deity[sourced from the Egyptian Leiden Magical Papyrus]
Amalek[Judaic]
amaletheia either the goat or nymph that suckled zeus[Job 42:14 LXX]
Amalur[Basque]
Aman[Arabic]
Amasagnul[Babylon-Akkadian]
Amasagnul[Babylonian]
Amashaspan[Persia]
Amaunet[Egypt]
Amaunet[Egypt] Fertility
Ambika[Hindu]
Ambisagrus
Amemnar[Judaic]
Amenhotep (Amenhotep-Son-of-Hapu)[Egypt] Architect
Amentet (Amenthes)[Egypt] West
Ameretat[Persia]
Amesha Spentas[Persia]
Am-Heh[Egypt]
Am-heh[Egypt] Earth
Amida[Buddhist]
Amida[Buddhist] Savior
Amimitl[Aztec]
Amitabha[Buddhist]A Dhyani
Amitayus[Buddhist] (Tibetan Tse-dpag-med, Mongolian Ayusi or Caglasi
ugeinasutu, Chinese Ch'ang sheng-fo) Longevity Amitolane[N. Amer.]
Amittabha[Buddhist]
Amma[Dagon]
Amma[Dravidian/Tamil]
Ammavara[Hindu]
Ammavaru[Dravidian/Tamil]
Ammi[Judaic]
Ammitl[Aztec]
Ammut (Ammit)[Egypt] Devourer
Ammut[Egypt]
Amn[Arabic]
Amoghapasa[Buddhist]
Amoghapasa[Buddhist]see Avalokitesvara
Amoghasiddhi[Buddhist]
Amoghasiddhi[Buddhist] A Dhyani
Amotken[N. Amer.]
Amphion[Greek]
Amphitrite[Greek]
Amsa[Hindu]
amun The hidden one[Egyptian Jer 46:25 Nah. 3:8]
Amun[Egypt]
Amun[Egypt] Sky+
Amun-Re (Amon-Ra)[Egypt] Supreme
amurru The god of the nomads of the amorites[w. Mesopotamia 3rd
millennium] Anafiel[Judaic]
Anahita[Persia]
Anaitis[Persia]
Anala[Hindu]
anammelech II Kings 17:31 Sepharvite God.
Ananke[Greek]
Anann
Anansasem[Africa]
Anansi[Africa]
Ananta[Hindu]
Anantamukhi[Buddhist]
Anantamukhi[Buddhist] Literature
Anantesa[
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Rod <Siegen032005@end.of.message> wrote in alt.atheism
If you think you've been badly done by here then find a
Moslem group and try telling them that their "God" is just a
figment of their imagination. You'll receive a real
"education" I'm sure.
Isn't that what you actually believe about their god?
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21 May 2006 09:24:09 AM |
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On Sun, 21 May 2006 12:00:51 GMT Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
:> Rod <Siegen032005@end.of.message> wrote in alt.atheism
:>
:> > If you think you've been badly done by here then find a
:> > Moslem group and try telling them that their "God" is just a
:> > figment of their imagination. You'll receive a real
:> > "education" I'm sure.
:>
:> Isn't that what you actually believe about their god?
Yes ..... but I'm not silly enough to go tell them!
They'll eventually figure it out. The "Boxing Day" Tsunami,
the earthquake in the Kashmir etc wiped out Moslems en
masse.
Cheers,
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21 May 2006 09:42:49 AM |
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Rod <Siegen032005@end.of.message> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Rod <Siegen032005@end.of.message> wrote in alt.atheism
If you think you've been badly done by here then find a
Moslem group and try telling them that their "God" is just a
figment of their imagination. You'll receive a real
"education" I'm sure.
Isn't that what you actually believe about their god?
Yes ..... but I'm not silly enough to go tell them!
They'll eventually figure it out. The "Boxing Day" Tsunami,
the earthquake in the Kashmir etc wiped out Moslems en
masse.
If you can't wipe 'em out with dogma, wipe 'em out with some
natural disasters?
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www.elroysemporium.com
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21 May 2006 09:57:53 AM |
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On Sun, 21 May 2006 14:42:49 GMT Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
:> Rod <Siegen032005@end.of.message> wrote in alt.atheism
:>
:> > Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
:> >> Rod <Siegen032005@end.of.message> wrote in alt.atheism
:>
:> >>> If you think you've been badly done by here then find a
:> >>> Moslem group and try telling them that their "God" is just a
:> >>> figment of their imagination. You'll receive a real
:> >>> "education" I'm sure.
:>
:> >> Isn't that what you actually believe about their god?
:>
:> > Yes ..... but I'm not silly enough to go tell them!
Siegen:
:> > They'll eventually figure it out. The "Boxing Day" Tsunami,
:> > the earthquake in the Kashmir etc wiped out Moslems en
:> > masse.
Elroy:
:> If you can't wipe 'em out with dogma, wipe 'em out with some
:> natural disasters?
It wasn't me --- unless you believe I am God.
Cheers,
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30 May 2006 04:51:47 AM |
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Rod wrote:
On Sun, 21 May 2006 12:00:51 GMT Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
:> Rod <Siegen032005@end.of.message> wrote in alt.atheism
:>
:> > If you think you've been badly done by here then find a
:> > Moslem group and try telling them that their "God" is just a
:> > figment of their imagination. You'll receive a real
:> > "education" I'm sure.
:>
:> Isn't that what you actually believe about their god?
Yes ..... but I'm not silly enough to go tell them!
Nice to see you admitting your god doesn't exist, quite refreshing
really. After all, if the muslims' god doesn't exist then neither does
yours. They are, after all, the same god. Christianity and Islam are
both Abrahamic religions and both claim the existence of the same god.
DS
They'll eventually figure it out. The "Boxing Day" Tsunami,
the earthquake in the Kashmir etc wiped out Moslems en
masse.
Cheers,
-- Siegen
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30 May 2006 07:36:08 AM |
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On Tue, 30 May 2006 19:51:47 +1000 DavidSSS <""somewhere\"@out there"> wrote:
Rod wrote:
:> > :> > If you think you've been badly done by here then find a
:> > :> > Moslem group and try telling them that their "God" is just a
:> > :> > figment of their imagination. You'll receive a real
:> > :> > "education" I'm sure.
atheist:
:> > :> Isn't that what you actually believe about their god?
Rod:
:> > Yes ..... but I'm not silly enough to go tell them!
DaveSSS:
:> Nice to see you admitting your god doesn't exist,
I'm "admitting" that their god doesn't exist which is clearly enough stated.
Have you been to a Moslem group yet with your ideas about atheism and how it
applies to their god?
DaveSSS:
:> quite refreshing really.
:> After all, if the muslims' god doesn't exist then neither does
:> yours.
Atheist "logic" takes a bit of getting used to. If god#a doesn't exist then
niether can god#b? Where's the dependency?
:> They are, after all, the same god. Christianity and Islam are
:> both Abrahamic religions and both claim the existence of the same god.
Both religions arose in the middle east. The adherrents wore clothes and
sandals, ate food and walked around etc etc.
The chinese communists refer to the writings of Marx as did the Russian
communists. What both made of those writings were poles apart. Marx still
existed even though both communist religions, which arose from his writings,
achieved nothing like Marx said he intended.
Cheers,
:> DS
:> > They'll eventually figure it out. The "Boxing Day" Tsunami,
:> > the earthquake in the Kashmir etc wiped out Moslems en
:> > masse.
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30 May 2006 07:43:32 PM |
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Rod wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2006 19:51:47 +1000 DavidSSS <""somewhere\"@out there"> wrote:
Rod wrote:
:> > :> > If you think you've been badly done by here then find a
:> > :> > Moslem group and try telling them that their "God" is just a
:> > :> > figment of their imagination. You'll receive a real
:> > :> > "education" I'm sure.
atheist:
:> > :> Isn't that what you actually believe about their god?
Rod:
:> > Yes ..... but I'm not silly enough to go tell them!
DaveSSS:
:> Nice to see you admitting your god doesn't exist,
I'm "admitting" that their god doesn't exist which is clearly enough stated.
Have you been to a Moslem group yet with your ideas about atheism and how it
applies to their god?
DaveSSS:
:> quite refreshing really.
:> After all, if the muslims' god doesn't exist then neither does
:> yours.
Atheist "logic" takes a bit of getting used to. If god#a doesn't exist then
niether can god#b? Where's the dependency?
The dependancy is that these three religions: judaism, christianity and
islam are all Abrahamic religions which follow the same god. The
dependancy only exists between these 3 religions. These religions all
share moses as a prophet, why, because moses talked to the same god
which all 3 religions claim exists.
:> They are, after all, the same god. Christianity and Islam are
:> both Abrahamic religions and both claim the existence of the same god.
Both religions arose in the middle east. The adherrents wore clothes and
sandals, ate food and walked around etc etc.
The chinese communists refer to the writings of Marx as did the Russian
communists. What both made of those writings were poles apart. Marx still
existed even though both communist religions, which arose from his writings,
achieved nothing like Marx said he intended.
Whoa, are you dumb or deliberately being stupid? Marxism is not a
religion it is an ideology, different beast although they can look
pretty similar at times. The difference is that an ideology is based on
an interpretation of certain facts, in the case of Marxism, a particular
interpretation of history. The trouble is when it acts like a religion
and does not change when the facts don't agree with the interpretation.
Oh, and before you try putting words in my mouth again, I am not a
Marxist. Although Marx has some interesting observations I am of the
opinion that his ideology is fundamentally flawed, eurocentric and just
plain wrong in parts.
DS
Cheers,
:> DS
:> > They'll eventually figure it out. The "Boxing Day" Tsunami,
:> > the earthquake in the Kashmir etc wiped out Moslems en
:> > masse.
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31 May 2006 12:59:58 PM |
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cite="mid447ce6b4$0$7886$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au"
type="cite"><font color="#000099"><big><b>Rod wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000099"><b>On Tue, 30 May 2006
19:51:47 +1000 DavidSSS <""somewhere\"@out there"> wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite"><b><font color="#000099">The chinese
communists refer to the writings of Marx as did the Russian
<br>
communists. What both made of those writings were poles apart. Marx
still
existed even though both communist religions, which arose from his
writings,
achieved nothing like Marx said he intended.
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<font color="#009900"><b>Whoa, are you dumb or deliberately being
stupid? Marxism is not a religion it is an ideology, different beast
although they can look pretty similar at times. The difference is that
an ideology is based on an interpretation of certain facts, in the case
of Marxism, a particular interpretation of history. The trouble is when
it acts like a religion and does not change when the facts don't agree
with the interpretation.
<br>
<br>
Oh, and before you try putting words in my mouth again, I am not a
Marxist. Although Marx has some interesting observations I am of the
opinion that his ideology is fundamentally flawed, eurocentric and just
plain wrong in parts.
<br>
<br>
DS
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<div align="center"><b> <font color="#993399"> </font></b><big><font
color="#663366"><font color="#993399"><b>Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D*
*S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*<br>
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<big><font color="#663366"><b><br>
<font color="#ff0000">Error! ... you are religiously in... Error!<br>
</font><br>
</b></font></big><span class="ResultBodyBlack"><b><br>
<big><font color="#990000">DEFINITION:</font><br>
Religion = Personal beliefs or values:</big></b><b><br>
</b></span><span class="ResultBody"><b>A set of strongly-held
beliefs, values, and attitudes that somebody<br>
lives by. <br>
</b></span><br>
<big><font color="#330033"><b> <font color="#993399"> </font><font
color="#993399"> Ideology, Philosophy, even so-called Democracy is a
Religion. </font></b></font></big><font color="#993399"><b><br>
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<big>Why: <br>
Because that is what <u>MY </u>religion says. </big><span
class="moz-smiley-s4"><span> :-P </span></span><br>
Book: 1, Chapter: 1, Verse: 1, Paragraph: 1-a<br>
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</b></font><font color="#ff0000"><b> Religions' are like
*****-holes, <u>everybody</u> has at least.. ONE! </b></font> <br>
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<font color="#993399"><big><b> Cheers...</b></big></font> <span
class="moz-smiley-s5"><span> :-D </span></span><br>
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<small><font color="#993399"><big><big><b>God's Creator!</b></big></big></font></small><br>
(<font color="#ff0000"><b>That was my only sin...</b></font>)<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="77">-- <b></b>
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<font color="#993399"><b>Psstt.... Hey! ---> </b></font> <font
color="#cc0000">USED GODS SALE!</font> : <font color="#330099"><b><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.godchecker.com/">http://www.godchecker.com/</a> </b></font>
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31 May 2006 01:44:35 PM |
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It says something about the 29% and falling poll numbers of the Bush
Crime Family and how desperate the Lying Bush supporters are when the
only answer you can give is a kid spamming with forged names.
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| User: "" |
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31 May 2006 02:51:42 PM |
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BTW, both of the "Gods Creator" posts on this thread are from the
spamming forger... brilliant.
zorrrrorobbbbinhood@hotmail.com wrote:
It says something about the 29% and falling poll numbers of the Bush
Crime Family and how desperate the Lying Bush supporters are when the
only answer you can give is a kid spamming with forged names.
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01 Jun 2006 08:19:09 PM |
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["Followup-To:" header set to alt.religion.christian-teen.]
On 2006-05-31, <> wrote:
It says something about the 29% and falling poll numbers of the Bush
Crime Family and how desperate the Lying Bush supporters are when the
only answer you can give is a kid spamming with forged names.
Who's spamming? I get one message from the14thdisciple for every
message by god's creator -- but I've gotten several messages in reply
from you with identical content except the 'Newsgroups: ' line -- where
everything is different except alt.religion.christian-teen is in them
all. What do you have against ARC-T? And are there other groups you
are also spamming?
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I'm free -- and freedom tastes of reality.
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31 May 2006 01:08:24 PM |
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My story; My first experience of the Shadow People came when I was
walking down the street in central London many, many years ago. It
was a dull spring day, not unlike many other dull spring days I could
mention. Suddenly the sun appeared in a break between the clouds and
then - well, that's when I saw them.
The first one was very close to me, plastered against the wall,
obviously surprised by the sudden appearance of the sun he'd no place
to hide. There he was. Description? Black, shadowy, and long. He
looked like his feet started where mine ended. In a vain attempt to
conceal his existance he started COPYING MY ACTIONS! Everytime I
lifted my arm, he did likewise. The same with my leg, head - in fact
ANY action I made HE duplicated - EXACTLY!
But that's not the strangest part of my tale; upon looking around the
busy street, hoping that someone else had noticed my shadowy
companion, I saw DOZENS OF OTHER shadow-people trying to 'mingle' with
the crowd, obviously ALL taken short by the suns' unexpected
appearance!!
Not one word in here about them---how strange
I guess we must wait until Hollywood makes a
movie on the subject---then look out--millions
of people will see them!
Not half, mate! The shadow people in my experience managed to elude
me, taking advantage when the sun went behind a cloud. As it stayed
dull again for the rest of my life I never got a chance to see another
'in the flesh' as it were.
But - fascinated as I was - I mentioned the event to a close friend.
As you might expect I was anxious not to appear stupid or
'crackpottish' to my friend, so you can imagine my surprise and relief
when he produced a photo-album and pointed out several snaps he'd
taken of his family and friends (on beaches, by the pool etc) and on
almost ALL of them there were shadow-people!!
I always thought the UFO/alien crowd who
embraces---Chemtrails--crop circles--abductions--moon hoax--gov. lies-
and so much more would be in the vanguard
of a new craze....such as shadow people--
Well I for one decided to investigate further and can now reveal some
facts I've discovered about these unusually dark 'companions';
1) They love the sunshine. In fact you'll never ever see them in the
dark
2) When you're in a film studio you'll see LOTS of them gathered
around the
'star' when he's acting
3) They're black
4) They're incapable of independant action
5) They don't smell
6) Some of them are shaped like animals
7) Some of them are shaped like buildings
8) They don't buy drinks
9) None of them are called 'Donald'
10) Joan Baez has NEVER written a protest-song about them
11) And neither has Bob Dylan.
MY GOD--they must be aliens--maybe demons
a different alternative existence.
That's what I thought, too! My ambition is to prove such, and with
this aim in mind I'm planning to catch one, next time it goes bright
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21 May 2006 09:35:05 AM |
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Rod wrote:
On Sun, 21 May 2006 09:33:33 +0930 Michael Gray
:> Withdraw the offensive remarks to my person and apologise, please.
After you have withdrawn your offencive remarks about people
of religious Faith and have apologised to them, I may
consider indulging you. Till then .... keep the tissues
handy.
That'll be the day when we apologise for remaining rational human
beings.
Troll, kindly restrict your post in the future to alt.holier than holy
or something like that and leave atheists alone. That will make us
happy, and it might make you happy.
Let's face it: You won't find any converts here to your superstitious
mumbo jumbo. And we could not give a ***** about convincing you on any
issues related to atheism. Any further exchange on this subject is just
a huge waste of everybody's time.
If you think you've been badly done by here then find a
Moslem group and try telling them that their "God" is just a
figment of their imagination. You'll receive a real
"education" I'm sure.
Please leave now kindly! Don't tempt me!
Otherwise I won't hold back and serve you the proper treatment on your
underlying bigotry, racism and all that jazz. Don't forget, this debate
is also posted in a political group and the gloves are definitely off.
Cheers and no tears.
No cheers, no tears. And definitelly no farts. And no more verbal
vomit.
=D6rd=F6g
Either the neocons go or civilisation does!
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21 May 2006 10:30:10 AM |
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On 21 May 2006 07:35:05 -0700 "Ordog"
<odbok001@sneakemail.com> wrote:
:> Rod wrote:
:> > On Sun, 21 May 2006 09:33:33 +0930 Michael Gray
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:> > :> Withdraw the offensive remarks to my person and apologise, please.
:> Siegen:
:> > After you have withdrawn your offencive remarks about people
:> > of religious Faith and have apologised to them, I may
:> > consider indulging you. Till then .... keep the tissues
:> > handy.
Ordog:
:> That'll be the day when we apologise for remaining rational human
:> beings.
I didn't ask you to apologise for your self-perception. I
asked the other bloke (Michael) to apologise for his
offencive and intolerant remarks about people of the
religious Faith.
Ordog:
:> Troll, kindly restrict your post in the future to alt.holier than holy
:> or something like that and leave atheists alone.
Leave the Faithful alone and you won't be challenged on your
own religious beliefs ---- the bearers of which don't seem
to be able to hold up well under challenge.
Ordog:
:> That will make us happy, and it might make you happy.
I'm already happy but, in this thread, I'm finding so many
unhappy people ... and some (mentally) unstable ones at
that. Atheism must be very stressful. I admire those
atheists who can keep at it for so long without seeming to
require a coffee break or a smoke.
Ordog:
:> Let's face it: You won't find any converts here to your superstitious
:> mumbo jumbo. And we could not give a ***** about convincing you on any
:> issues related to atheism. Any further exchange on this subject is just
:> a huge waste of everybody's time.
You've thrown in the towel already?? You're no fun.
Siegen:
:> > If you think you've been badly done by here then find a
:> > Moslem group and try telling them that their "God" is just a
:> > figment of their imagination. You'll receive a real
:> > "education" I'm sure.
:> Please leave now kindly! Don't tempt me!
Why are you so afraid of the Muslems? Surely they'll
tolerate your atheism as well as we do and calmly debate it
with you till the mullahs come home.
Ordog:
:> Otherwise I won't hold back and serve you the proper treatment on your
:> underlying bigotry, racism and all that jazz. Don't forget, this debate
:> is also posted in a political group and the gloves are definitely off.
Ordog, there's obviously only one God you deny and that's
the real one ---- the christian one.
The desperation, the emotion, the tears of rage. I imply
that the Muslems might not be as willing as christians to
peacefully discuss these issues and Ordog loses it!
He immediately reveals where his allegiances actually lie
--- not with atheism but with Islam.
Siegen:
:> > Cheers and no tears.
:>
:> No cheers, no tears. And definitelly no farts. And no more verbal
:> vomit.
Thanks. You're rather messy at times and those farts ....
!!!
:> Ördög
:> Either the neocons go or civilisation does!
-- Siegen
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23 May 2006 11:22:04 AM |
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An Mon, 22 May 2006 01:30:10 +1000, Rod hat geschreibt:
The desperation, the emotion, the tears of rage. I imply
that the Muslems might not be as willing as christians to
peacefully discuss these issues and Ordog loses it!
I've debated with some Muslims many times. They are just as blind as you
are when it comes facts about matters of faith. But that's to be expected.
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