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"Jon" |
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12 Sep 2005 04:40:42 PM |
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Re: MUSLIMS DON'T GROW UP |
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:59:07 GMT, "bmoag" <aetoo@hotmail.com> wrote in
message <%IgVe.3762$6e1.577@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>:
My Islamic and Buddhist friends always tell me that if you can believe in
Christianity you will believe anything. Nothing else could explain American
election results.
Islam is all ***** and lies.
ditto for buddababy.
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smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Jon Upfold, universal arsehole, ***** extraordinaire
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| User: "chriszuma" |
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| Title: Re: MUSLIMS DON'T GROW UP |
12 Sep 2005 08:28:53 PM |
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Christianity is all ***** and lies. If you believe any religion, you
will believe anything.
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| User: "Douglas D. Anderson" |
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| Title: Re: MUSLIMS DON'T GROW UP |
12 Sep 2005 09:29:40 PM |
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chriszuma wrote:
Christianity is all ***** and lies. If you believe any religion, you
will believe anything.
"Unless you die, we will be bored again."
-the epistle of Jesus to chriszuma
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| User: "Richo" |
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| Title: Re: MUSLIMS DON'T GROW UP |
13 Sep 2005 12:11:22 AM |
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chriszuma wrote:
Christianity is all ***** and lies. If you believe any religion, you
will believe anything.
What if I made "truth" my religion?
Then "truth" would become bulshit and lies?
How does that work?
Mark.
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| User: "yowie" |
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| Title: Re: MUSLIMS DON'T GROW UP |
13 Sep 2005 08:23:09 AM |
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In <1126570282.843827.290490@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Richo wrote:
chriszuma wrote:
Christianity is all ***** and lies. If you believe any religion, you
will believe anything.
What if I made "truth" my religion?
Then "truth" would become bulshit and lies?
How does that work?
What is truth?
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| User: "WCB" |
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| Title: Re: MUSLIMS DON'T GROW UP |
14 Sep 2005 09:58:21 AM |
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yowie wrote:
In <1126570282.843827.290490@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Richo wrote:
chriszuma wrote:
Christianity is all ***** and lies. If you believe any religion, you
will believe anything.
What if I made "truth" my religion?
Then "truth" would become bulshit and lies?
How does that work?
What is truth?
Claims: God created all.
God is omniscient, he knows all.
If god creates the world and knows all, including the future,
he wil know if the world he creates will have a man name John Smith
some 14 billion years from now.
He will know if Smith is evil.
He will know if Smith is good.
He has a choice that that point, to allow Smith to
be as he will or change the world so Smith will be different.
If god knows Smith will be evil, god may change the world
so Smith wil be good. God must make a personal and
purposeful decision about everything his creation
will bring about.
Smith has no free will do decide if he will be good or evil,
that decision is made wholely and only by god.
There is no free will for Smith or any other sentient
being in god's created world.
If evil exists, if Smith does evil, god specifically and
personally chose to allow Smith to do and be evil.
Therefore, in a world where man can have no free will
all evil is god's personal and purposeful doing.
God is defined as omnibenevolent, but if moral evil
exists, its all god's personal fault.
A god that is defined a priori and dogmatically as
omnibenevolent, omniscient and creator of all is
not possible because it is internally inconsistant
and contradictory.
The sub-claims god creates all and is omniscient
means free will cannot exist and we are all puppets.
That makes the idea of Christianity's original sin
obsolete, and concepts of heaven and hell
unintelligable.
Here is a little truth for you.
All you needs is a bit of intellience, logic and a few
christian claims to examine.
Truth _is_ my religion. That is why I am a hard Atheist.
Truth drives me to hard Atheism as a subset of hard truth
when examining religious and christian claims.
Just as Truth drives me in the realm of science to
know evolution is Truth and quantum physics is Truth
and chemistry is Truth.
Maybe I should start calling myself a Trutharian.
--
"Today the official spokesman for the Foxes
agreed an investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed."
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Sir Bastion" |
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| Title: Re: MUSLIMS DON'T GROW UP |
14 Sep 2005 05:56:08 PM |
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On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 04:58:21 -0500, WCB <wbarwell@Mungggedd.mylinuxisp.com>
wrote in message <11ifs7daomfe4cd@corp.supernews.com>:
yowie wrote:
In <1126570282.843827.290490@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Richo wrote:
chriszuma wrote:
Christianity is all ***** and lies. If you believe any religion, you
will believe anything.
What if I made "truth" my religion?
Then "truth" would become bulshit and lies?
How does that work?
What is truth?
Claims: God created all.
God is omniscient, he knows all.
If god creates the world and knows all, including the future,
he wil know if the world he creates will have a man name John Smith
some 14 billion years from now.
in 14 billion years time, the solar system will no longer support human
life.
if human life still persists somewhere, language would have changed so
radically that it is highly unlikely that anyone will have a name, John
Smith.
people might not even have names. they might instead have symbols which are
never said aloud. all communication could be digital instead of spoken.
He will know if Smith is evil.
there is no such thing as evil. morals do not exist in reality. they are an
artificial concept which has no analogue in reality.
He will know if Smith is good.
good is something which benefits us in our individual capacity. bad is that
which does not.
He has a choice that that point, to allow Smith to
be as he will or change the world so Smith will be different.
If god knows Smith will be evil, god may change the world
so Smith wil be good. God must make a personal and
purposeful decision about everything his creation
will bring about.
there is no god.
Smith has no free will do decide if he will be good or evil,
that decision is made wholely and only by god.
you're right about freewill. it does not exist either. everything is
predetermined.
we are not free to make any choice, just like a planet has no choice but to
continue in its orbit. it cannot change its own orbit because that would
require force, which it does not possess. the planet is a chemical reaction
whose end result is determined purely by physical laws.
we are the same. we are a chemical reaction.
There is no free will for Smith or any other sentient
being in god's created world.
If evil exists, if Smith does evil, god specifically and
personally chose to allow Smith to do and be evil.
if there is a god, i conjecture that he would be either an individual or
more likely a team of entities who created the "computer" simulation that
our reality is.
our universe was created from nothing. the only way to do that is to realise
that our reality is a type of virtual reality.
Therefore, in a world where man can have no free will
all evil is god's personal and purposeful doing.
there is no blame. it is what it is.
play any computer game. machinegun to death umpteen unarmed innocent
villagers. what of it? is our suffering real? to us, perhaps, but maybe not
really.
all suffering is is a particular brain reaction that occurs.
God is defined as omnibenevolent,
by some who have postulated theories that they have a personal affinity to.
there are many people who prefer to create a warm cozy reality that gives
them good brain waves, rather than see what is really there.
my version of reality is starker and less cozy. but, yet, i'm still "happy".
i'm the acceptance zone. i accept that i have no control over most things.
one day i will die and this nightmare will finally be over for me. i hope.
if i knew for definite that killing myself would bring relief, i might do
it, but i don't. so since there is no certainty, i might as well let things
play themselves out.
but if moral evil
exists, its all god's personal fault.
and there are no consequences for him, other than his mom might think that
he and his friends are wasting their time on this universe simulation that
doesn't seem very nice. he should rather spend more time on his homework to
get better grades or he won't get admittance into a good college.
however, he daydreams that he won't even need to go to college. he'll become
fabulously wealthy and influential like Bill Gates, the character he created
to live out his "real life" fantasies.
A god that is defined a priori and dogmatically as
omnibenevolent, omniscient and creator of all is
not possible because it is internally inconsistant
and contradictory.
well god preferred to create most of his creatures dumb.
The sub-claims god creates all and is omniscient
means free will cannot exist and we are all puppets.
That makes the idea of Christianity's original sin
obsolete, and concepts of heaven and hell
unintelligable.
Heaven and Hell could exist. the programmers who created this universe could
well have created those extra levels for their own personal fiendish
amusement.
with a little kicker. when a person dies, they personally decide what they
see, based on whatever they decide. they could ***** with Muslim's minds by
telling them that God is actually a Swine and that to enter Heaven, they
must dine on a bacon roll.
anything is possible really. if you have an imagination, you too, can be a
games designer. you don't need to be a computer programmer to design a
really exciting computer game.
Here is a little truth for you.
All you needs is a bit of intellience, logic and a few
christian claims to examine.
and willingness. all religions discourage disbelief.
Truth _is_ my religion. That is why I am a hard Atheist.
atheism is just another religion.
i consider myself to be agnostic, because i simply do not know nor cannot
know what reality i inhabit. there might be a god, there might not.
god might be transitory like the weather. you might have high pressure cells
of god marching across the universe.
god could be a drug that you ingest. give me another hit of god. i can feel
myself coming down into atheism.
god could be a sub-atomic particle that only exists for infinitesimal
divisions of nano-seconds. under the right conditions, you might be able to
create god in a nuclear accelerator.
or god could simply be a fascinating fictional character described in a
variety of different ways in ancient novels that we call scripture.
Truth drives me to hard Atheism as a subset of hard truth
when examining religious and christian claims.
you suppose that atheism is a sub-set of truth, you don't know for sure. if
you insist that it is, then you have to admit that atheism is just another
religion.
i wonder if atheists are as intellectually as honest as they think they are?
Just as Truth drives me in the realm of science to
know evolution is Truth and quantum physics is Truth
and chemistry is Truth.
i adopt a much more conservative approach. you are very dogmatic and
assertive about what you consider to be truth. those are hallmarks of
religious fervour.
that is the essence of religion. dogmatism. obsession with what one
considers to be truth.
it is best to never lock onto anything as truth. one must always be open to
new information and new realities.
Maybe I should start calling myself a Trutharian.
just another religion.
--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Jon Upfold, universal arsehole, ***** extraordinaire
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| User: "Richo" |
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| Title: Re: MUSLIMS DON'T GROW UP |
14 Sep 2005 01:04:41 AM |
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yowie wrote:
In <1126570282.843827.290490@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Richo wrote:
chriszuma wrote:
Christianity is all ***** and lies. If you believe any religion, you
will believe anything.
What if I made "truth" my religion?
Then "truth" would become bulshit and lies?
How does that work?
What is truth?
Depends what the question is.
Mark.
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| User: "yowie" |
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| Title: Re: MUSLIMS DON'T GROW UP |
14 Sep 2005 09:58:36 AM |
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In <1126659881.613815.292100@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Richo wrote:
yowie wrote:
In <1126570282.843827.290490@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Richo wrote:
chriszuma wrote:
Christianity is all ***** and lies. If you believe any religion, you
will believe anything.
What if I made "truth" my religion?
Then "truth" would become bulshit and lies?
How does that work?
What is truth?
Depends what the question is.
What is the question?
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: MUSLIMS DON'T GROW UP |
15 Sep 2005 10:28:39 AM |
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On 13 Sep 2005 18:04:41 -0700, "Richo" <m.richardson@utas.edu.au> wrote:
yowie wrote:
In <1126570282.843827.290490@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Richo wrote:
chriszuma wrote:
Christianity is all ***** and lies. If you believe any religion, you
will believe anything.
What if I made "truth" my religion?
Then "truth" would become bulshit and lies?
How does that work?
What is truth?
Depends what the question is.
Who is answering it, can be pretty telling.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: MUSLIMS DON'T GROW UP |
12 Sep 2005 11:59:28 PM |
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Jon wrote:
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:59:07 GMT, "bmoag" <aetoo@hotmail.com> wrote in
message <%IgVe.3762$6e1.577@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>:
My Islamic and Buddhist friends always tell me that if you can believe in
Christianity you will believe anything. Nothing else could explain American
election results.
Islam is all ***** and lies.
ditto for buddababy.
Ditto for Christianity. :-)
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| User: "Mos Not@YourHouse" |
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13 Sep 2005 02:05:09 PM |
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"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:ADoVe.6062$b37.1027@trnddc04
Jon wrote:
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:59:07 GMT, "bmoag"
<aetoo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
<%IgVe.3762$6e1.577@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>:
My Islamic and Buddhist friends always tell me that if
you can believe in Christianity you will believe
anything. Nothing else could explain American election
results.
Islam is all ***** and lies.
ditto for buddababy.
Ditto for Christianity. :-)
The first weapon of mass destruction was religion.
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| User: "Jon" |
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13 Sep 2005 03:54:38 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:05:09 -0600, "Mos" <Not@YourHouse> wrote in message
<KuGdnRq4B8wxQbveRVn-uQ@pcisys.net>:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
Jon wrote:
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:59:07 GMT, "bmoag"
My Islamic and Buddhist friends always tell me that if
you can believe in Christianity you will believe
anything. Nothing else could explain American election
results.
Islam is all ***** and lies.
ditto for buddababy.
Ditto for Christianity. :-)
The first weapon of mass destruction was religion.
STFU, Mos!
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smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Jon Upfold, universal arsehole, ***** extraordinaire
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