Big Dave wrote:

Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

Denis Loubet wrote:

Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

Pax wrote:

"Mark T" <moi@09375963546864676755877579565567424> wrote in message
news:4542ae78$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

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Quoting the Bible is NOT quoting God.

Why?

Without the counsel of the Holy Spirit, Mark's interpretation of
Scripture will remain meaningless.

So will yours

Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

You remain vanquished:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

Your consolation prize is eternal life if you choose to surrender to
HIM:

<snip by David H. in an act of cowardice>

A consolation prize is a prize meant to make a loser feel better.

Here it would serve to indicate that you know you are lost:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/eb42672896d36d4b?

Do you mean that doing as you do is the path to a consolation prize?

No.

In article <u_idncWR54uJ3tvYnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@io.com>,
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:

But since you cannot demonstrate to anyone that you are with the lord,
your
opinion is meaningless to everyone else as well.

all sorts of people are unable to prove their claims
so i guess their opinions are meaningless as well

There is no evolution

Though He took on a human body for our sake, He was never human.

He got the message across that man should fear Him, but the main message
He
wanted to impart most of all got lost in all that fear. What message?
That all He wants is our love. That He loves us and wants us to love
Him.

You don't have a nice god. Why don't you invent a better one?

He's not just my God, He's yours too, whether you like or not.

"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
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On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:42:55 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Pax" <SherriFWhite@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
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Every man is one in three: body, mind and spirit.

What evidence do you have to support that partition? The mind appears to
be nothing more than self-awareness of brain activities and spirit
doesn't have any evidence at all.

Can you explain how self-awareness came about? The body is controlled by

electrical impulses through the nervous system to and from the brain and
dispersed throughout the neural net. There is no real reason for
self-awareness on a level man displays, since the messages from our five

senses should be sufficient for our survival. Memory and emotions are a
necessary adaptation, since they increase our chances of survival, but
memory and emotions sans personal awareness are only "bits" of information
to guide us to those things which are beneficial to our survival and away
from those things which are not. Jumping spiders, as an example, have great
memories. As another, elephants have great memories and deep emotions.

What caused man, above all the other animals, to evolve past the
hunter-gatherer stage?

What possible purpose for survival of the species
could account for a need to do so?

The great apes are remarkably humanlike,
and very close to our DNA equals. They are also self-aware. They are capable
of complex language, enjoyment and creation of art, compassion,
selflessness, tool usage. They, like us, live in advanced social groups and
form intense emotional bonds. Yet, despite all of that, they have never
found it necessary to evolve as we have in order to survive.

There is no evolutionarily adaptive reason man should have developed the
nuances of personality he displays that force him to reach out
philosophically. The limbic system is not unique to man, and its functions,
complicated though they are, have no reason to culminate in any sort of
metaphysical development. There is certainly no physiological reason man
should have ever even conceived of much less reached out to God.

Without any one of those
elements, a man is not complete and can't live.

How would anyone know if a spirit went missing?

Have you ever seen a dead person, doctor?

The spirit guides the mind and the mind controls the actions of the body.
We
communicate with each other mind to mind and spirit to spirit by having
our
minds send commands to our bodies. Though we see the body articulating, we
speak to another person's mind and spirit, the body is just the tool we
use
to accomplish that communication.

It sounds as if you are merely reifying abstractions of actions of
people.

So you recognize the obvious. That's a start. :)

Of the three elements that make us up, in a way the body is the least, since
it's whole purpose is merely to carry out the will of the mind and spirit.
Yet, if you have seen the body, you have seen the mind and spirit.

Does this mean something?

It's rather elementary and self-explanatory.

God tried for a very long time to teach man, but He was imposing and
seemed
so "inhuman". He gave man the Law, He guided man through the prophets, He
forgave, He punished. But He was always so intimidating... and seemed so
far
removed from anything man could really relate to. It broke His heart when
Israel insisted on having an earthly king to rule over them rather than
Him.

This is the God that supposedly murdered everyone on earth except for
eight people?

It is man who considers death a finality, not God. Why are you so positive
that when the body dies the person no longer exists? There is no evidence of
that, and not for lack of trying to find it either. In order to make your
case, you must prove a negative. You can only prove the body is lifeless.
Past that point you must journey into the metaphysical.

And there is where the Bible tells us what happened to the souls of all
those who died in the days of Noah [1 Pet 3:18-20].

He got the message across that man should fear Him, but the main message
He
wanted to impart most of all got lost in all that fear. What message? That
all He wants is our love. That He loves us and wants us to love Him.

You don't have a nice god. Why don't you invent a better one?

He's not just my God, He's yours too, whether you like or not.

So, most men couldn't relate man to God, but man could relate man to man.
Therefore, God became a man, to teach eye to eye and heart to heart. He
had
given the Law to show man how much he needed God, that man couldn't do it
on
his own. But that didn't work, and the punishment for not following the
Law
is death. Therefore, in His mercy, He took on Himself the punishment for
the
sins of all mankind, to show once and for all that it was never the
punishment of man He wanted, it was always and only man's love.

Jesus is Lord - Pax

Your god is not nice, but he is also ill.

Only because you choose to anthropomorphize Him. Though He took on a human
body for our sake, He was never human.

Jesus is Lord - Pax