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"*Nemo*" |
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30 Jul 2003 01:47:27 AM |
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Re: NASA & The Bible |
In article <q13eivc0ut6ddcle30ra707dcrttjp8v36@4ax.com>,
Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Here's the letter (below) that's been circulating within
Christiandom which has also caught the attention of many secular
humanists, who've been busy circulating counter letters of their
own. I might add that there's an element within Christianity that
thinks NASA is a government agency which is actually hostile
towards Christianity and is trying to discredit it.
Search the web if you want, and decide for yourself what is going
on behind the scenes. Here's the letter.....
NASA & The Bible
For all the scientists out there, and for all the students who have a
hardtime convincing these people regarding the truth of the Bible, here's
something that shows God's awesome creation, and that He is still in
control. Did you know that the space program is busy proving that what has
been called "myth" in the Bible is true?
<snip silly urban legend>
You know, anyone with even a modicum of knowedge of physics can see
through this rubbish. The only thing that strikes me as interesting
about this is the sad state of education in the world that interest in
this idiot story indicates.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
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Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: NASA & The Bible |
30 Jul 2003 10:01:24 AM |
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 06:47:27 +0000, *Nemo* wrote:
You know, anyone with even a modicum of knowedge of physics can see
through this rubbish. The only thing that strikes me as interesting about
this is the sad state of education in the world that interest in this
idiot story indicates.
Or anybody who knows anything at all about computers...
--
Mark K. Bilbo #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
________________________________________________________________
"...lying is central to the survival of nations and to the
success of great enterprises, because if our enemies can
count on the reliability of everything you say, your
vulnerability is enormously increased."
- Michael Ledeen, neo-con leader
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: NASA & The Bible |
30 Jul 2003 07:17:37 AM |
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 06:47:27 GMT, *Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com>
wrote:
In article <q13eivc0ut6ddcle30ra707dcrttjp8v36@4ax.com>,
Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Here's the letter (below) that's been circulating within
Christiandom which has also caught the attention of many secular
humanists, who've been busy circulating counter letters of their
own. I might add that there's an element within Christianity that
thinks NASA is a government agency which is actually hostile
towards Christianity and is trying to discredit it.
Search the web if you want, and decide for yourself what is going
on behind the scenes. Here's the letter.....
NASA & The Bible
For all the scientists out there, and for all the students who have a
hardtime convincing these people regarding the truth of the Bible, here's
something that shows God's awesome creation, and that He is still in
control. Did you know that the space program is busy proving that what has
been called "myth" in the Bible is true?
<snip silly urban legend>
You know, anyone with even a modicum of knowedge of physics can see
through this rubbish. The only thing that strikes me as interesting
about this is the sad state of education in the world that interest in
this idiot story indicates.
The US is the only place anybody takes this seriously.
The first time I heard this I was amazed anybody could be so stupid.
It was like when I saw Duane Gish on TV using Piltdown as "proof" that
science was fraud - it had been a joke even when I was kid, in the
1950s. That was when I realised just how many people took it
seriously, and how many stupid people there were in the US.
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| User: "Jeremy Martin" |
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| Title: Re: NASA & The Bible |
30 Jul 2003 08:55:16 PM |
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(jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com (jwk)):
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:<vhdfiv06mvf1f7k3al1ga0mgr4o175jqn3@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 06:47:27 GMT, *Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com>
wrote:
In article <q13eivc0ut6ddcle30ra707dcrttjp8v36@4ax.com>,
Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Here's the letter (below) that's been circulating within
Christiandom which has also caught the attention of many secular
humanists, who've been busy circulating counter letters of their
own. I might add that there's an element within Christianity that
thinks NASA is a government agency which is actually hostile
towards Christianity and is trying to discredit it.
Search the web if you want, and decide for yourself what is going
on behind the scenes. Here's the letter.....
NASA & The Bible
For all the scientists out there, and for all the students who have a
hardtime convincing these people regarding the truth of the Bible, here's
something that shows God's awesome creation, and that He is still in
control. Did you know that the space program is busy proving that what has
been called "myth" in the Bible is true?
<snip silly urban legend>
You know, anyone with even a modicum of knowedge of physics can see
through this rubbish. The only thing that strikes me as interesting
about this is the sad state of education in the world that interest in
this idiot story indicates.
The US is the only place anybody takes this seriously.
The first time I heard this I was amazed anybody could be so stupid.
It was like when I saw Duane Gish on TV using Piltdown as "proof" that
science was fraud - it had been a joke even when I was kid, in the
1950s. That was when I realised just how many people took it
seriously, and how many stupid people there were in the US.
You know, ***** you. I get a little tired of these generalizations
about the US populace. We don't have any more idiots than any of the
rest of you. It is just that everybody pays so much attention to our
idiots. If you have any evidence that Americans are dumber than you
own people give it. Otherwise shove it.
I think it's just the fact that "Western" societies afford more
room for stupidity to breathe.
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| User: "Alex" |
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| Title: Re: NASA & The Bible |
30 Jul 2003 05:13:00 PM |
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On 30 Jul 2003 10:46:32 -0700, (jwk) wrote:
You know, ***** you. I get a little tired of these generalizations
about the US populace. We don't have any more idiots than any of the
rest of you. It is just that everybody pays so much attention to our
idiots.
Just to play the Devil's advocate (pun intended): What do you call a
country that pays more attention to idiots than any other country? Is
it a smarter country than the others or a dumber one?
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| User: "jwk" |
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| Title: Re: NASA & The Bible |
31 Jul 2003 08:18:15 AM |
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Alex <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:<clggivkr0g4bg0hqrl1ag41shjd2soh5eb@4ax.com>...
On 30 Jul 2003 10:46:32 -0700, (jwk) wrote:
You know, ***** you. I get a little tired of these generalizations
about the US populace. We don't have any more idiots than any of the
rest of you. It is just that everybody pays so much attention to our
idiots.
Just to play the Devil's advocate (pun intended): What do you call a
country that pays more attention to idiots than any other country? Is
it a smarter country than the others or a dumber one?
We get more press, is what I meant. Anything that happens here is
reported around the world. Idiots in other nations don't get the
attention idiots here do. If a politician in Europe or Australia
makes some nutty religious statement, most people outside the affected
populace don't hear about it. But let some minor official of some
backwater town in the US nail up a copy of the ten commandments and it
is world news. You can't tell me that the US is where all the idiots
went. The rest of the world has it's share. They just haven't got
the same media coverage as the ones here. Of course I could be wrong,
but you will have to present some proof, not anecdotes, that Americans
actually have a lower IQ. Do that and I will shut up.
jwk
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| User: "Nikolaos D. Bougalis" |
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| Title: Re: NASA & The Bible |
01 Aug 2003 06:06:53 PM |
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"Jd" <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:afgliv8ktshn2qgo3tkm62g8489smfl8qb@4ax.com...
I've heard that in many public places over there (such as parks),
used needles are laying around everywhere.
The keyword being "heard."
And I heard that Denmark was a sexual septic tank.
The keyword being "heard."
Not only that, I've heard no one over there has real bullets
since they've outlawed real ammo and gave everyone rubber
bullets.
Even if that is the case, what problem do you have with that?
Then there's the matter of everyone having to turn in their
cash for some new type of currency in order that the whole
continent will be commercially equal.
Kind of like what happened in the United States, when each
different state (or even bank) issued "currency," and the Federal
government intervened?
Not only that, rumors off the street have it that American
companies wanting to trade in the common market must first be
approved by the European ISO committee.
Why is that a bad thing?
Add to that, Alkiada headquarters for the 911 attack on America
was over there somewhere weren't they?
Even if that were the case, so what?
If any of the above are merely "urban legends" please feel free
to correct me.
If any of what you wrote was meant to make a point, it failed
miserably.
-n
"Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer
that breaketh the rock in pieces?" (Jeremiah 23:29)
"Bad breath dude. Get Listerine."
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| User: "Will" |
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| Title: Re: NASA & The Bible |
31 Jul 2003 10:25:19 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:<ll4jivkoja8ms55qgudajlhisr709c1lqq@4ax.com>...
On 31 Jul 2003 06:18:15 -0700, (jwk) wrote:
Alex <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:<clggivkr0g4bg0hqrl1ag41shjd2soh5eb@4ax.com>...
On 30 Jul 2003 10:46:32 -0700, (jwk) wrote:
You know, ***** you. I get a little tired of these generalizations
about the US populace. We don't have any more idiots than any of the
rest of you. It is just that everybody pays so much attention to our
idiots.
Just to play the Devil's advocate (pun intended): What do you call a
country that pays more attention to idiots than any other country? Is
it a smarter country than the others or a dumber one?
We get more press, is what I meant. Anything that happens here is
reported around the world. Idiots in other nations don't get the
attention idiots here do. If a politician in Europe or Australia
makes some nutty religious statement, most people outside the affected
populace don't hear about it. But let some minor official of some
backwater town in the US nail up a copy of the ten commandments and it
is world news. You can't tell me that the US is where all the idiots
went. The rest of the world has it's share. They just haven't got
the same media coverage as the ones here. Of course I could be wrong,
but you will have to present some proof, not anecdotes, that Americans
actually have a lower IQ. Do that and I will shut up.
There are very few creationists and/or fundies in Western Europe.
Western Europe has its own nutty religious masses. They simply do and
believe different idiocies than most American religious nuts believe.
There is little in the United States that even comes close to the
Passion Processions of Spain, or the festival of the liquified blood
in Italy, or any of the other ten thousand special devotions to
martyrs and saints, or to the "Miracles" at Lourdes, or to the
virgin's visitations at Mejugorge, et cetetra. People are people. A
certain percentage will always gravitate towards religious mysticism
or fundamentalism. The United States is not unique in that peculiarity
and Western Europe is not immune from it. There is one thing, however,
that sets us apart, we disgorged ourselves of obnoxious kings and the
haughty aristocracy over 200 years ago. Britain, Spain, Belgium and a
few other Western European nations have yet to do the same.
Even
the religious wouldn't dream of imposing the 10 commandments. There
are no lawsuits over creationism because they would get laughed outr
of the lowest court in the land instead of going all the way up to the
equivalent of the supreme court where some of the justices vote for
it.
There are no lawsuits over Creationism -- or much else -- in the UK
because the "Engish" legal system was designed to protect the rich and
the government from "capricious" suits and from suits in general. That
great American, Newt Gingrich, was trying to get legislation passed
here to adopt the "English System" for American use. Fate intervened,
however, when the man-who-would- renew America was caught porking his
secretary, and his good conservative friends forced him to resign his
post as Speaker of the House.
When it was discovered that a semi-independant college in Northern
England was teaching creationism, questions were asked in parliament
and it was the start of Bliar's donward spiral when he sounded like
Gore, Lieberman, Bush and Cheney. Nobody expects anybody in a position
of leadership to stupid enough and uneducated enough to be a
creationist.
Unless they're born to the House of Lords or to the useless
aristocracy. Then they can be all 12 varieties of common moron at once
and it doesn't matter.
When politicians do make stupid religiouis statements, they're laughed
out of office.
Really? Can you name any? The only Brits of whom I know who were cast
from office got bounced for sexual misbehavior, bribe-taking, or a
lapse in patriotism, or some combination of the three.
Will
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| User: "jwk" |
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| Title: Re: NASA & The Bible |
01 Aug 2003 08:21:38 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:<ll4jivkoja8ms55qgudajlhisr709c1lqq@4ax.com>...
On 31 Jul 2003 06:18:15 -0700, (jwk) wrote:
Alex <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:<clggivkr0g4bg0hqrl1ag41shjd2soh5eb@4ax.com>...
On 30 Jul 2003 10:46:32 -0700, (jwk) wrote:
You know, ***** you. I get a little tired of these generalizations
about the US populace. We don't have any more idiots than any of the
rest of you. It is just that everybody pays so much attention to our
idiots.
Just to play the Devil's advocate (pun intended): What do you call a
country that pays more attention to idiots than any other country? Is
it a smarter country than the others or a dumber one?
We get more press, is what I meant. Anything that happens here is
reported around the world. Idiots in other nations don't get the
attention idiots here do. If a politician in Europe or Australia
makes some nutty religious statement, most people outside the affected
populace don't hear about it. But let some minor official of some
backwater town in the US nail up a copy of the ten commandments and it
is world news. You can't tell me that the US is where all the idiots
went. The rest of the world has it's share. They just haven't got
the same media coverage as the ones here. Of course I could be wrong,
but you will have to present some proof, not anecdotes, that Americans
actually have a lower IQ. Do that and I will shut up.
There are very few creationists and/or fundies in Western Europe. Even
the religious wouldn't dream of imposing the 10 commandments. There
are no lawsuits over creationism because they would get laughed outr
of the lowest court in the land instead of going all the way up to the
equivalent of the supreme court where some of the justices vote for
it.
When it was discovered that a semi-independant college in Northern
England was teaching creationism, questions were asked in parliament
and it was the start of Bliar's donward spiral when he sounded like
Gore, Lieberman, Bush and Cheney. Nobody expects anybody in a position
of leadership to stupid enough and uneducated enough to be a
creationist.
When politicians do make stupid religiouis statements, they're laughed
out of office.
'Nuff said.
jwk
Except to poitn out that you don't know what the word "anecdote" means.
jwk
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| User: "Antoon Pardon" |
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01 Aug 2003 02:16:09 AM |
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In artikel <ll4jivkoja8ms55qgudajlhisr709c1lqq@4ax.com> schreef Christopher A Lee:
On 31 Jul 2003 06:18:15 -0700, (jwk) wrote:
Alex <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:<clggivkr0g4bg0hqrl1ag41shjd2soh5eb@4ax.com>...
On 30 Jul 2003 10:46:32 -0700, (jwk) wrote:
You know, ***** you. I get a little tired of these generalizations
about the US populace. We don't have any more idiots than any of the
rest of you. It is just that everybody pays so much attention to our
idiots.
Just to play the Devil's advocate (pun intended): What do you call a
country that pays more attention to idiots than any other country? Is
it a smarter country than the others or a dumber one?
We get more press, is what I meant. Anything that happens here is
reported around the world. Idiots in other nations don't get the
attention idiots here do. If a politician in Europe or Australia
makes some nutty religious statement, most people outside the affected
populace don't hear about it. But let some minor official of some
backwater town in the US nail up a copy of the ten commandments and it
is world news. You can't tell me that the US is where all the idiots
went. The rest of the world has it's share. They just haven't got
the same media coverage as the ones here. Of course I could be wrong,
but you will have to present some proof, not anecdotes, that Americans
actually have a lower IQ. Do that and I will shut up.
There are very few creationists and/or fundies in Western Europe. Even
the religious wouldn't dream of imposing the 10 commandments.
I'm not so sure about that.
The religious in Belgium still raise a stink whenever one of their
previligious is removed from them. Examples of these are the
removal of crosses in the courts, the detachment of the Te Deum
from the day of dynasties, the removal of the cross from the
big entrance hall in the national airport.
There was also some kind of campaining, for having the preamble
of the proposal for a European consitution, mention christianity,
as a principle of which Europe was build, or some such thing.
As I recall, the classrooms of the Bavarian stateschools had
to carry crosses on the wall. This has been chalanged in the
courts, but if I recall correctly, nothing was changed.
I agree that we don't have very little creatiosts and fundies
in Europe, but the religious do try to hang on to their previligious
and sometimes like to get the notions spread that they are somehow
special.
--
Antoon Pardon
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: NASA & The Bible |
31 Jul 2003 10:11:02 AM |
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:46:32 -0700, jwk wrote:
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:<vhdfiv06mvf1f7k3al1ga0mgr4o175jqn3@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 06:47:27 GMT, *Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com>
wrote:
In article <q13eivc0ut6ddcle30ra707dcrttjp8v36@4ax.com>,
Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Here's the letter (below) that's been circulating within Christiandom
which has also caught the attention of many secular humanists, who've
been busy circulating counter letters of their own. I might add that
there's an element within Christianity that thinks NASA is a
government agency which is actually hostile towards Christianity and
is trying to discredit it.
Search the web if you want, and decide for yourself what is going on
behind the scenes. Here's the letter.....
NASA & The Bible
For all the scientists out there, and for all the students who have
a hardtime convincing these people regarding the truth of the
Bible, here's something that shows God's awesome creation, and that
He is still in control. Did you know that the space program is busy
proving that what has been called "myth" in the Bible is true?
<snip silly urban legend>
You know, anyone with even a modicum of knowedge of physics can see
through this rubbish. The only thing that strikes me as interesting
about this is the sad state of education in the world that interest in
this idiot story indicates.
The US is the only place anybody takes this seriously.
The first time I heard this I was amazed anybody could be so stupid.
It was like when I saw Duane Gish on TV using Piltdown as "proof" that
science was fraud - it had been a joke even when I was kid, in the
1950s. That was when I realised just how many people took it seriously,
and how many stupid people there were in the US.
You know, ***** you. I get a little tired of these generalizations about
the US populace. We don't have any more idiots than any of the rest of
you. It is just that everybody pays so much attention to our idiots. If
you have any evidence that Americans are dumber than you own people give
it. Otherwise shove it.
Um... actually...
Being a US citizen, born and raised and all, I *do think we
are--frankly--dumber. You look at our education system and general science
knowledge compared to the rest of the West and we're bringing up the rear
these days.
This country has always had a hostility toward intellect and education.
Even in our last election, Gore was losing ground because people thought
of him as a "know it all."
I think that's all catching up to us...
--
Mark K. Bilbo #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
________________________________________________________________
"You are not a fiscal conservative when the deficit runs
to $400 billion on your watch."
- Stan Collender, Fleishman-Hillard Inc.
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| User: "Jd" |
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| Title: Re: NASA & The Bible |
01 Aug 2003 01:46:28 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:46:32 -0700, jwk wrote:
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:<vhdfiv06mvf1f7k3al1ga0mgr4o175jqn3@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 06:47:27 GMT, *Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com>
wrote:
In article <q13eivc0ut6ddcle30ra707dcrttjp8v36@4ax.com>,
Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Here's the letter (below) that's been circulating within Christiandom
which has also caught the attention of many secular humanists, who've
been busy circulating counter letters of their own. I might add that
there's an element within Christianity that thinks NASA is a
government agency which is actually hostile towards Christianity and
is trying to discredit it.
Search the web if you want, and decide for yourself what is going on
behind the scenes. Here's the letter.....
NASA & The Bible
For all the scientists out there, and for all the students who have
a hardtime convincing these people regarding the truth of the
Bible, here's something that shows God's awesome creation, and that
He is still in control. Did you know that the space program is busy
proving that what has been called "myth" in the Bible is true?
<snip silly urban legend>
You know, anyone with even a modicum of knowedge of physics can see
through this rubbish. The only thing that strikes me as interesting
about this is the sad state of education in the world that interest in
this idiot story indicates.
The US is the only place anybody takes this seriously.
The first time I heard this I was amazed anybody could be so stupid.
It was like when I saw Duane Gish on TV using Piltdown as "proof" that
science was fraud - it had been a joke even when I was kid, in the
1950s. That was when I realised just how many people took it seriously,
and how many stupid people there were in the US.
You know, ***** you. I get a little tired of these generalizations about
the US populace. We don't have any more idiots than any of the rest of
you. It is just that everybody pays so much attention to our idiots. If
you have any evidence that Americans are dumber than you own people give
it. Otherwise shove it.
Um... actually...
Being a US citizen, born and raised and all, I *do think we
are--frankly--dumber. You look at our education system and general science
knowledge compared to the rest of the West and we're bringing up the rear
these days.
This country has always had a hostility toward intellect and education.
Even in our last election, Gore was losing ground because people thought
of him as a "know it all."
I think that's all catching up to us...
Not so. It'll propbably take 4 more years of W. to straighten out
what the leftists' Christian President did, that's 4 yrs. if they
do it in a civil manner.
Jd
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: NASA & The Bible |
01 Aug 2003 06:48:10 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 13:46:28 -0500, Jd wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:46:32 -0700, jwk wrote:
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:<vhdfiv06mvf1f7k3al1ga0mgr4o175jqn3@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 06:47:27 GMT, *Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com>
wrote:
In article <q13eivc0ut6ddcle30ra707dcrttjp8v36@4ax.com>,
Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Here's the letter (below) that's been circulating within
Christiandom which has also caught the attention of many secular
humanists, who've been busy circulating counter letters of their
own. I might add that there's an element within Christianity that
thinks NASA is a government agency which is actually hostile
towards Christianity and is trying to discredit it.
Search the web if you want, and decide for yourself what is going
on behind the scenes. Here's the letter.....
NASA & The Bible
For all the scientists out there, and for all the students who
have a hardtime convincing these people regarding the truth of the
Bible, here's something that shows God's awesome creation, and
that He is still in control. Did you know that the space program
is busy proving that what has been called "myth" in the Bible is
true?
<snip silly urban legend>
You know, anyone with even a modicum of knowedge of physics can see
through this rubbish. The only thing that strikes me as interesting
about this is the sad state of education in the world that interest
in this idiot story indicates.
The US is the only place anybody takes this seriously.
The first time I heard this I was amazed anybody could be so stupid.
It was like when I saw Duane Gish on TV using Piltdown as "proof" that
science was fraud - it had been a joke even when I was kid, in the
1950s. That was when I realised just how many people took it
seriously, and how many stupid people there were in the US.
You know, ***** you. I get a little tired of these generalizations
about the US populace. We don't have any more idiots than any of the
rest of you. It is just that everybody pays so much attention to our
idiots. If you have any evidence that Americans are dumber than you
own people give it. Otherwise shove it.
Um... actually...
Being a US citizen, born and raised and all, I *do think we
are--frankly--dumber. You look at our education system and general
science knowledge compared to the rest of the West and we're bringing up
the rear these days.
This country has always had a hostility toward intellect and education.
Even in our last election, Gore was losing ground because people thought
of him as a "know it all."
I think that's all catching up to us...
Not so. It'll propbably take 4 more years of W. to straighten out what the
leftists' Christian President did, that's 4 yrs. if they do it in a civil
manner.
What?
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Mark K. Bilbo #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"You are not a fiscal conservative when the deficit runs
to $400 billion on your watch."
- Stan Collender, Fleishman-Hillard Inc.
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