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User: "david ford"
Date: 04 Aug 2004 10:04:13 PM
Object: Re: Neo-Darwinism Wrong!
"Glenn" <glennsheldon@SPAMqwest.net> wrote in message news:<glennsheldon-JpZPc.950$tt2.10148@news.uswest.net>...

http://www.twnside.org.sg/title/bad.htm

"Abstract: The debate on evolution between the creationists and the
neo-Darwinists is not just sterile, it misses the central issue, which
is that neo-Darwinism is wrong and dangerous.

I am reminded of Margulis in
Grene on Schindewolf; Margulis; Calder; Gould on hogwash in
evolutionary theory
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970721233453.16211D-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu

It is promoting and
misguiding a runaway technology that has the potential to destroy all
life on earth. It reinforces a worldview that undermines every single
moral value that makes us human.

Compare this Dennett, and the Haeckel link:
1995 Dennett: "Darwinian thinking helps us see why the traditional
hope of solving these problems (finding a moral algorithm) is forlorn"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0408021033.78218bde%40posting.google.com

It is also obstructing and preventing
the necessary shift to holistic ecological sciences that can connect to
the organic revolution rising from the grassroots all over the world,
which can truly regenerate the earth and revitalize the human spirit."
[...]
"The Central Dogma formalizes the four basic assumptions of genetic
determinism and give them material substance."[... ]
"These assumptions fit neatly with the dominant neo-Darwinian theory,
which says that all of marvelous life on earth evolved, and is still
evolving essentially by the natural selection of random genetic
mutations. Neo-Darwinism combines Darwin's theory of evolution by
natural selection with August Weismann's theory of the immortal,
inviolable germline, which, through Mendelian and molecular genetics
became the Central Dogma. So, there is supposed to be a 'Weismann's
barrier' forbidding environmental influences from changing the genes
directly, especially in the germ cells that give rise to the next
generation."
[...]
"Recently, molecular geneticist James Shapiro has joined the debate. He
is critical of neo-Darwinians like Richard Dawkins and John Maynard
Smith who are still clinging to the discredited paradigm.

Dawkins, Catley on the coming Kuhnian revolution, Collingridge &
Earthy
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.981113234219.18273B-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu

"Localized
random mutation, selection operating "one gene at a time" (John Maynard
Smith's formulation), and gradual modification of individual functions
are unable to provide satisfactory explanation for the molecular data,
no matter how much time for change is assumed. There are simply too many
potential degrees of freedom for random variability and too many
interconnections to account for."
[...]
"There is a striking contrast between the DNA-centered Central Dogma and
the new genetics. The scientific findings have completely invalidated
genetic determinism. The new genetics is diametrically opposite to the
old static, reductionist view. It is radically holistic. The gene has a
very complex ecology consisting of the interconnected levels of the
genome, the physiology of the organism and its external environment.
Changes in the environment is transmitted inwards, and may alter the
genes themselves. Conversely, putting a new gene or new combination of
genes into an organism will create disturbance that may propagate out to
the external environment. Remember that the genes themselves can spread
by horizontal transfer to unrelated species, so the potential ecological
impacts are enormous."

Blindwatchmakingists would love for there to be massive lateral
transfer of genetic material, for it would help them to avoid having
to explain the numerous instances of convergent and parallel
supposed-blindwatchmaking.
accounting for parallel and convergent supposed-blindwatchmaking
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990712220140.883597C-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu

"But the mainstream biology community has remained untouched by this
profound revolution. Dawkins' views have not changed much since his
first book. Worse yet, genetic determinism is rife, if only because it
is perfect for promoting genetic engineering biotechnology and selling
it to the public."

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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Neo-Darwinism Wrong! 05 Aug 2004 09:04:03 AM
On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 03:04:13 +0000 in episode
<b1c67abe.0408041912.55fd4252@posting.google.com> we saw our hero
dford3@gl.umbc.edu (david ford):

I am reminded of Margulis in

I am reminded you are in desperate need of a life.
Not to mention reminded I haven't put you in my new killfile yet...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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User: "david ford"

Title: Re: Neo-Darwinism Wrong! 05 Aug 2004 07:46:01 PM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.05.14.13.11.306218@org.webmaster>...

On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 in <b1c67abe.0408041912.55fd4252@posting.google.com> david ford:

I am reminded of Margulis in


I am reminded you are in desperate need of a life.

Not to mention reminded I haven't put you in my new killfile yet...

Will you put me in your [MKB]"new killfile"? John has killfiled me:
[John Wilkins <john_SPAM@wilkins.id.au> on 23 Mar 2004]"David, these
trivial word plays and thread bombings of yours are too much. I am
plonking you now, and all threads in which you appear." Ref:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1gb3zey.1548km51v4sma6N%25john_SPAM%40wilkins.id.au
[MKB]"I am reminded you are in desperate need of a life."
Berlinski, David. _Commentary_ (Sept 1996), 26:
DANIEL C. DENNETT is under the curious impression that the best
rejoinder to criticism is a robust display of personal vulgarity.
Nothing in his letter merits a response.
Still, one general point deserves attention. Both Daniel Dennett
and Richard Dawkins have fashioned their reputations as defenders
of a Darwinian orthodoxy. Their letters convey the impression of
men who expect never to encounter criticism and are unprepared to
deal with it. This strikes me as a deeply unhealthy state of
affairs. Ordinary men and women are suspicious of Darwin's theory;
Dennett and Dawkins hardly go far here in persuading them that
their intellectual anxieties are in any way misplaced.
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