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15 Jan 2005 02:32:12 PM |
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Re: NEWDOW Shot Down, Again |
"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
:|http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050114/ap_on_go_pr_wh/inauguration_prayer
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:|Judge Denies Bid to Block Inaugural Prayer
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:|NEWDOW's complaint is that he _says_ he has to "accept unwanted religious
:|beliefs," when all he really has to do is sit quietly and listen to somebody
:|else's religious beliefs. He does not have to accept anything.
Dear jeffy:
Have you ever heard of Susan B. Anthony, Carrie Catt,
Alice Paul, Martha Carey Thomas, Ida Wells-Barnett, Anna Shaw,
Ernestine Rose, Harriot Blatch, bigail Duniway, Anna Dickinson, Anna
Spencer, Annie Besant, Antoinette Blackwell, Arabella Mansfield, Belva
Lockwood, Charlotte Gilman, Emily Gowan Murphy, Emma Goldman, Emmeline
Pankhurst, Florence Kelley, Leonora O'Reilly, Margaret Sanger, Mary
Elizabeth Lease, Nellie McClung Victoria Woodhull?
How about
December 1, 1955, in Montgomery, Alabama, Rosa Parks
The Little Rock Nine-Central High School in Little Rock, Arkansas, 1957.
Martin Luther King, Jr. Thurgood Marshall, James Farmer, John Lewis and
James Zwerg, Emmett Till, Herbert Lee, Medger Evers, Addie Mae Collins,
Denise McNair, Carole Robertson, Cynthia Wesley, James Chaney, Andrew
Goodman, Michael Schwerner, Jimmie Lee Jackson, James Reeb, Viola Liuzzo,
Jonathan Daniels, Samuel Younge, Jackie Robinson?
and
Cesar Chavez?
What about
The Stonewall Inn, June 28, 1969.
Let's try
John Leland, Ethan Allen, James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, Isaac Backus,
Anne Hutchinson and Roger Williams, Charles Pinckney to name just a few?
Let's try
Hank Greenberg, Francis Salvador, Haym Salomon, Leo Frank, Sigmund
Livingston, to name only a few ot thousands?
Do you know any of those people? Do you have any idea what they have in
common?
They were the pioneers, the shakers and movers, even though many if not
most were just ordinary people.
They were the people, the events that began many of the modern days
movements for equal rights,equal civil rights, full citizenship for women,
for blacks, for farm workers, for homosexuals. For religious freedom for
an end to anti-semitism, the list goes on as each disenfranchised groups
comes forth demanding an end to their second, third, fourth class
citizenship.
Now we have Michael Newdow who is another of the pioneers, the shakers,
the movers ranking up there along with Robert G. Ingersoll, Matilda Joslyn
Gage, Madalyn O'Hair, and many others standign up for himself and all the
skeptics, nonbelievers, nontheists, atheists, agnostics, heretics,
infidels, free thinkers, humanists, secular humanists, brights. A pioneer
equal to and with those others who stood up equality, equal rights, full
citizenship for their particular groups,
And of course each of them received the same kind if hatred, disgust,
threats, actual violence aimed at many, violent death the rewards for some
for people just like you. People who blindly think and act just like you.
This isn't going to go away. There will be loses suffered by Newdow and
others, just as their were losses suffered by your religious right ultra
conservative groups.
Your side lost the voucher battle in court case after court case after
court case from 1968 to 2003. Loss after loss, with only a few, very few
minor victories along the way.
But what did they do? They kept pushing the envelope, taking every chance
to file every court case they could, anywhere they could knowing sooner or
later they would find that right time and place, the right makeup of a
court specifically federal courts of appeal and the US Supreme Court.
They finally won a victory with the Cleveland Voucher case. Not a complete
victory, and that victory has already been damaged perhaps with the Locke v
Davey ruling by the USSC. In addition, it doesn't change any of the state
constitutions that prohibit the use of federal funds to support religion,
religious schools or the teaching of any religion.
But they will keep trying, that is what those who want to make change do.
Newdow and others like him will come along and they too will keep pushing,
keep trying and one fine day they too will find the right time, the right
place and the exact right makeup of that U S Supreme Court and they too
will win.
So don't celebrate too soon jeffy, it is far too early and the battles are
far from being over.
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| User: "Dana" |
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16 Jan 2005 01:58:04 AM |
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wrote:
"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
:|http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050114/ap_on_go_pr_wh/inauguration_prayer
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:|<story>
:|Judge Denies Bid to Block Inaugural Prayer
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:|
:|NEWDOW's complaint is that he _says_ he has to "accept unwanted
:|religious beliefs," when all he really has to do is sit quietly and
:|listen to somebody else's religious beliefs. He does not have to
:|accept anything.
Dear jeffy:
Now we have Michael Newdow who is another
Crying atheist who has lied to the courts in an attempt to insult and
attack the people of the Christian faith.
He lost again because he has had no harm done to him.
Since newdow likes to attack the religious, especially the Christians
maybe it is time this bigot dissappeared.
We left bigots like Newdow in the 60's, it is a shame some of those
bigots still exist.
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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16 Jan 2005 04:08:20 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005, Dana P. Raffaniello wrote:
buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:
"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050114/ap_on_go_pr_wh/inaug
uration_prayer
<story>
Judge Denies Bid to Block Inaugural Prayer
NEWDOW's complaint is that he _says_ he has to "accept unwanted
religious beliefs," when all he really has to do is sit quietly and
listen to somebody else's religious beliefs. He does not have to
accept anything.
Dear jeffy:
Now we have Michael Newdow who is another
Crying atheist who has lied to the courts in an attempt to insult and
attack the people of the Christian faith.
He lost again because he has had no harm done to him.
Since newdow likes to attack the religious, especially the Christians
maybe it is time this bigot dissappeared.
Interesting that you - as a self-proclaimed "Christian" -
happen to write that the same month that former Klan
leader, "Christian" preacher and accused assassin, Edgar
Ray Killen, has been recharged in the deaths of two young
Jews and a young black Mississippian.
It is quite likely that with your statement, "Since newdow
likes to attack the religious, especially the Christians
maybe it is time this bigot dissappeared", you could -
quite probably - be charged as a terrorist under the
Patriot Act and as "communicating a threat" under most
jurisdictions' existing law.
We left bigots like Newdow in the 60's, it is a shame some of those
bigots still exist.
I suggest that you might best drop anything and everything
related to Mr Newdow. You have placed yourself in the
unenviable position of being immediately suspected if
anything whatsoever happens to Doctor Newdow.
It's one thing to be insane; it's quite another to be
criminally insane as well as incredibly stupid. You're
pushing the borders on all three.
Gray Shockley
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For every complex problem there is an answer
that is clear, simple, and wrong. - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Dana" |
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16 Jan 2005 04:34:06 AM |
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Gray Shockley wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005, Dana P. Raffaniello wrote:
buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:
"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050114/ap_on_go_pr_wh/inaug
uration_prayer
<story>
Judge Denies Bid to Block Inaugural Prayer
NEWDOW's complaint is that he _says_ he has to "accept unwanted
religious beliefs," when all he really has to do is sit quietly
and listen to somebody else's religious beliefs. He does not have
to accept anything.
Dear jeffy:
Now we have Michael Newdow who is another
Crying atheist who has lied to the courts in an attempt to insult and
attack the people of the Christian faith.
He lost again because he has had no harm done to him.
Since newdow likes to attack the religious, especially the Christians
maybe it is time this bigot dissappeared.
Interesting that you - as a self-proclaimed "Christian"
As has been pointed out to you before. I am not a "Christian"
I am Agnostic in my belief.
But of course you have to lie, because that is all you know how to do.
It is evident you did not pick up anything in your college classes, but
then you did take the basket weaving type of classes, which really do
not teach or expose the student to any difficult problems.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: NEWDOW Shot Down, Again |
17 Jan 2005 08:07:01 AM |
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Dana P. Raffaniello wrote:
Crying atheist who has lied to the courts in an attempt to insult
and
attack the people of the Christian faith.
He lost again because he has had no harm done to him.
Since newdow likes to attack the religious, especially the
Christians
maybe it is time this bigot dissappeared.
Gray Shockley wrote:
Interesting that you - as a self-proclaimed "Christian"
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005,
As has been pointed out to you before. I am not a "Christian"
I am Agnostic in my belief.
How odd. Agnostics with regard to religion have no knowledge of
any gods. The archives certainly reflect your attacks on atheism, and
they need to be checked to see if you have ever claimed to have such
knowledge. If you have, you are not agnostic.
But of course you have to lie, because that is all you know how to
do.
Where is the lie?
It is evident you did not pick up anything in your college classes,
but
then you did take the basket weaving type of classes, which really do
not teach or expose the student to any difficult problems.
How would you know details of Mr. Shockley's academic career?
Agnosticism doesn't exonerate or excuse you in any way. It
provides no free pass to issue threats. As Mr. Shockley pointed out,
by "your statement, 'Since newdow likes to attack the religious,
especially the Christians
maybe it is time this bigot dissappeared', you could - quite probably -
be charged as a terrorist under the Patriot Act and as 'communicating a
threat' under most jurisdictions' existing law."
You would do well to heed the advice to "best drop anything and
everything related to Mr Newdow. You have placed yourself in the
unenviable position of being immediately suspected if anything
whatsoever happens to Doctor Newdow."
I expect you have already been reported.
LR
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| User: "Dana" |
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| Title: Re: NEWDOW Shot Down, Again |
17 Jan 2005 09:08:12 AM |
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wrote:
Dana P. Raffaniello wrote:
Crying atheist who has lied to the courts in an attempt to insult
and
attack the people of the Christian faith.
He lost again because he has had no harm done to him.
Since newdow likes to attack the religious, especially the
Christians
maybe it is time this bigot dissappeared.
Gray Shockley wrote:
Interesting that you - as a self-proclaimed "Christian"
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005,
As has been pointed out to you before. I am not a "Christian"
I am Agnostic in my belief.
But of course you have to lie, because that is all you know how to
do.
Where is the lie?
It is evident you did not pick up anything in your college classes,
but
then you did take the basket weaving type of classes, which really do
not teach or expose the student to any difficult problems.
How would you know details of Mr. Shockley's academic career?
He has posted to the newsgroups his 51 semester hours of classes.
You would do well to heed the advice to "best drop anything and
everything related to Mr Newdow.
Newdow needs to go away from America.
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| User: "Carol Lee Smith" |
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16 Jan 2005 06:09:10 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005, Dana Raffaniello <dpraff@gci.net> wrote:
Gray Shockley wrote:
Hm,m,m - you sure 'bout that?
Shows you have no clue about Natural Law.
And it also shows you are ignorant of the contents of the DOI
"Natural Law" is not contained in the Declaration of Independence.
http://www.law.indiana.edu/uslawdocs/declaration.html
http://news.findlaw.com/wp/docs/gwbush/newdowgwb11405opn.pdf
http://filmstripinternational.com
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| User: "Carol Lee Smith" |
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16 Jan 2005 06:05:38 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005, Dana Raffaniello <dpraff@gci.net> wrote:
buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:
"Dr. James Slaughter" <jslaughter@criswell.edu> wrote:
:|The origin of all human rights is God, as acknowledged by the
:|Founding Fathers.
Which founding fathers?
The American Founding Fathers.
Which American Founding Fathers?
What were their qualifications that we should consider any such
comments by them to carry any weight?
More than what you have jailbird, yet you are in here mindlessly spewing
your anti-Christian bigotry.
I have seen no anti-Christian bigotry committed by Buckeye.
We have seen, however, anti-atheist bigotry on the part of Dana
Raffaniello.
http://news.findlaw.com/wp/docs/gwbush/newdowgwb11405opn.pdf
http://www.turnyourbackonbush.com
http://filmstripinternational.com
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| User: "Carol Lee Smith" |
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16 Jan 2005 06:01:31 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005, Dana Raffaniello <dpraff@gci.net> wrote:
Now we have Michael Newdow who is another
Crying atheist who has lied to the courts in an attempt to insult and
attack the people of the Christian faith.
Seeking to enforce governmental neutrality in matters of religion is not
an attack on people of the Christian faith, the people of Islam, Pagans,
Hindus, Buddhists, Wiccans, Mormons, Jehovahs Witnesses, or any other
group of people.
What is it you do not understand about neutrality?
http://news.findlaw.com/wp/docs/gwbush/newdowgwb11405opn.pdf
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