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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" |
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26 Nov 2005 11:37:39 PM |
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Re: On-line Chat with HeartDoc (12/08/05) |
Pramesh Rutajit wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Pramesh Rutajit wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Pramesh Rutajit wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Pramesh Rutajit wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Chief wrote:
I'm leaving until January for a trip to visit the kids tomorrow.
Thanks from the bottom of my pancreas, to everyone who has
shook me by
the shoulders and given the occasional slap. All the information
and concern was the single best medicine I got this last month.
Thanks.
No I didn't forget, I'm packing the basil and ballocks.
Happy Turkey and Merry Christmas - (substitute the appropriate
greeting as necessary)
May the LORD bless you during these holidays especially during
the celebration of His birthday as well :-)
Christmas celebrates the pagan god Mithria and the rebirth of the
sun god otherwise known as the winter solstice.
Days don't celebrate. People celebrate. And, on Christmas day,
those who call the day Christmas are celebrating Christ's day of
birth into this world as Immanuel (GOD with us).
For me it's a time to renew and share relationships with family and
friends.
My brethren in LORD Jesus Christ are my family and my friends, dear
Pramesh.
Does he prefer turkey or ham?
Bread and fish
What, no huneycomb this year?
No.
The christ myth places his birth
in the spring.
LORD Jesus Christ is not a myth.
So you believe
It is what I know and discern.
SO did he prefer turkey or ham last thanksgiving?
Bread and fish
Again no honeycomb?
No.
- A god that has to kill themselves in a pagan sacrificial
motive are rather unimaginative and weak.
The LORD took our sins upon Himself and there were so many and so
terrible that they did kill His mortal form but thankfully, GOD the
Father brought His Son back so that victory could be declared over
death
and sin. Thus, the Son has been glorified for He is kind, just, and
right.
To whom did God pay the price of sin, Satan?
To Himself for He is the source of all justice and righteousness:
So he paid for his own sins.
No. The LORD paid for ours:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp
Weird.
"A fool's talk brings a rod to his back, but the lips of the wise
protect them." (Proverbs 14:3)
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp
To whom did god have to pay
the price to get permission to save anyone?
The LORD remains absolutely sovereign.
How mythological!
The LORD is not a myth.
His omnipotents is limited by
his masochism.
The LORD remains almighty.
How mythological!
The LORD is not a myth.
Paganistic-trinitarian-polythistic tripe.
The LORD is the truth.
How mythological!
The LORD is not a myth.
The christ myth is more an semblance of the potential in man (Ps.
82:6,John 10:34, 2 Cor. 3:18)
In your opinion.
Well, the typical position that christians take that men are reprobate
and born in sin from the second of birth and if they die then they go to
hell is certainly less than uplifting.
The LORD's salvation is available for all who choose to receive it.
Only those with evil in their hearts find this message less than
uplifting.
Sorry evil one, you can follow your god of torture.
"The LORD works out everything for His own ends -- even the wicked for a
day of disaster." (Proverbs 16:4)
A very few christians look at men as
"children" of God with all the potential that that entails, an uplifting
proposition.
Those who are ignorant of salvation by faith have not been saved.
You god has extreem limits - a truly petty beast.
"The faithless will be fully repaid for their ways, and the good man
reward for his." (Proverbs 14:14)
I repeat my position which is much more uplifting than yours - The christ
myth is more an semblance of the potential in man (Ps.82:6,John 10:34, 2
Cor. 3:18)
It remains my choice to side with the truth that is LORD Jesus Christ.
Matt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew. you: depart. from
me, ye that work iniquity.
And so it remains my choice to continue writing truthfully so that the
LORD will continue to guide me in all that I say, do, and write.
- the gnostics are more on the mark while christians
completely miss the mark, especially the fundamentalist type.
More opinion.
Hail to the Sun God,
O what a fun God,
Ra Ra Ra.
"They will be exposed to the sun and the moon and all the stars of
the heavens, which they have loved and served and which they have
followed
and consulted and worshiped. They will not be gathered up or buried
but will be like refuse lying on the ground. Wherever I banish
them, all the survivors of this evil nation will prefer death to
life," declares the LORD almighty.
Amen.
Ahhhh rightttt, the bloodthirsty joy of the christian fundamentalist.
(Matt 7:2)
They are the Words of the LORD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul,
mind and strength :-)
Well, you can worship the author of Evil if you want
The LORD is not the author of evil.
Have you forgotten Isaiah so easily?
No.
You may certainly choose to judge the LORD to be evil for creating
disaster (Isaiah 45:7). However, it remains my choice to take the
LORD's advice from Matthew 7 and refrain from judging others especially
Him.
and thank him for
damning babies that die shortly after birth for their lack of faith in
christ.
Referring to children...
"The kingdom of GOD belongs to such as these. Do not keep the children
from Me." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Yet you say that they have to exercise "faith" in your mythological god, are
born in sin before they know good from evil, and are damned before they
learn to understand language and the concept of faith. What a petty baby
hating god you adore.
The LORD loves sinners. The LORD's kingdom has been built for sinners
who choose to be His children.
Yes, child sacrafice is still a functional component of
traditional christanity.
Actually, it is not nor ever was.
Worship your God of Evil if you must.
The LORD is kind, just and right. The evil resides in the hearts of
those who have rejected Him.
You forgot Isaiah again were god admits to being the author of Evil.
No.
You may certainly choose to judge the LORD to be evil for creating
disaster (Isaiah 45:7). But, it remains my choice to take the LORD's
advice from Matthew 7 and refrain from judging others especially Him.
I am right
on target noting the bloodthirsty joy of the christian fundamentalist.
Righteousness is not bloodthirsty.
While explains why you christians have killed so often in the name of your
mythological god and still proclaim your righteousness.
"Fear of man will prove to be a snare, but whoever trusts in the LORD is
kept safe." (Proverbs 29:25)
Yes, that's the evil, mean, bloodthirsty ***** biblical god I recall
reading about - a heinous god that blames his own creations for the
errors and failures in of His own creative capabilities - truly a
flaccid and
impotent god. At least Isaiah makes it clear that God creates evil.
(Isa. 45: 7)
"I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create
disaster, I, the LORD, do all these things."
You may certainly choose to judge the LORD to be evil for creating
disaster. However, it remains my choice to take the LORD's advice from
Matthew 7 and refrain from judging others especially Him.
The LORD remains kind, just and right:
And the author of Evil
It is evil that begets evil and not the LORD.
You are calling you god, the author of Isaiah, a liar.
False witness.
From Proverbs 19:9
"A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who pours out lies will
perish."
From Isaiah 45:7
"I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create
disaster, I, the LORD, do all these things."
You may certainly choose to judge the LORD to be evil for creating
disaster. However, it remains my choice to take the LORD's advice from
Matthew 7 and refrain from judging others especially Him.
and it's first cause and the one who could prevent
Evil if he wanted too but chooses that Evil exist because it Pleases Him.
Those who judge the LORD will be judged by the same measure.
Matt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew. you: depart. from
me, ye that work iniquity.
It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully thereby glorifying
the LORD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-))
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
In Christ's love always,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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| User: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" |
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| Title: Re: On-line Chat with HeartDoc (12/08/05) |
30 Nov 2005 04:47:19 PM |
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"JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort" wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
"JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort" wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:438D81ED.78023EFF@heartmdphd.com...
Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
(andrew@heartmdphd.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Mark 9:1
And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be **some**
of
them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have
seen the kingdom of God come with power.
**emphasis** added
Inability to reason noted.
Emphasis is not an inability.
Those **some** would still be alive today if
the prophesy was true. Are they?
Yes.
LOL! You actually believe there are 2,000 year old people running around
today?
They vary in age. Those who walk with Christ have received His promise of eternal life.
Nice dodge.
It was not a dodge.
You avoided answering the question; that's a dodge.
What part of eternal do you not understand.
Please identify one person over 150 years old.
LORD Jesus Christ, Himself. Only the LORD knows who all the others are.
So one fairy tale, and that's all you've got.
The LORD is all I need and, thankfully, He is not a fairytale.
Sorry, imaginary people
don't count as real people, so unless you've got actual evidence this
person existed, you lose.
LORD Jesus Christ is described as one of Allah's prophets in the Muslim
Quran. This despite how much some Muslims dislike Christians.
Oh my. Give your medical degrees back. You don't deserve them.
In your opinion (not that any of our opinions matter except for the LORD's :-))
How can a omniscient, omnipotent deity have an opinion, especially in
light of the fact it's a mythical being?
What part of omnipotent do you not understand?
The part where it's claimed this omnipotent being can do something that
results in it's inability to do something.
Language has its limits when describing things with an infinite quality.
At this point, what makes you think I care to read your reply?
Because you have expressed an interest in receiving proof about GOD.
Would unraveling the paradox of the omnipotent GOD creating an immovable
object be enough of a proof?
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
In Christ's love always,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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30 Nov 2005 05:06:45 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
(andrew@heartmdphd.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
(andrew@heartmdphd.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Mark 9:1
And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be
**some** of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death,
till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
**emphasis** added
Inability to reason noted.
Emphasis is not an inability.
Those **some** would still be alive today if
the prophesy was true. Are they?
Yes.
THAT IS A LIE. People do not live for 2,000 years.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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28 Nov 2005 09:21:19 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
(andrew@heartmdphd.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Uncle Vic wrote:
on 28 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
(andrew@heartmdphd.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Sorry, I don't believe in fairy tales.
Promises are not fairy tales.
Broken promises are.
Broken promises arise from sin.
No, they arise from the bible. 2,000 years and counting....
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Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
You will be in my prayers, dear Uncle Vic whom I love, in LORD Jesus'
most precious and holy name.
Go ahead and talk to yourself, nothing fails like prayer.
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Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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| User: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" |
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29 Nov 2005 10:40:56 AM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
(andrew@heartmdphd.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Uncle Vic wrote:
on 28 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
(andrew@heartmdphd.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Sorry, I don't believe in fairy tales.
Promises are not fairy tales.
Broken promises are.
Broken promises arise from sin.
No, they arise from the bible.
That is not what I discern.
2,000 years and counting....
Tomorrow has not been promised.
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Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
You will be in my prayers, dear Uncle Vic whom I love, in LORD Jesus'
most precious and holy name.
Go ahead and talk to yourself, nothing fails like prayer.
Not for me.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
In Christ's love always,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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29 Nov 2005 06:54:22 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
(andrew@heartmdphd.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
(andrew@heartmdphd.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Uncle Vic wrote:
on 28 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
(andrew@heartmdphd.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Sorry, I don't believe in fairy tales.
Promises are not fairy tales.
Broken promises are.
Broken promises arise from sin.
No, they arise from the bible.
That is not what I discern.
2,000 years and counting....
Tomorrow has not been promised.
You LIE!
John 21:22
Luke 9:27
Mark 9:1
Matthew 26:24
Revelation 1:1
Revelation 1:3
Revelation 3:11
Revelation 22:7
Revelation 22:12
Revelation 22:20
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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| Title: Re: On-line Chat with HeartDoc (12/08/05) |
30 Nov 2005 04:41:50 AM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
(andrew@heartmdphd.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
(andrew@heartmdphd.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Uncle Vic wrote:
on 28 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
(andrew@heartmdphd.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Sorry, I don't believe in fairy tales.
Promises are not fairy tales.
Broken promises are.
Broken promises arise from sin.
No, they arise from the bible.
That is not what I discern.
2,000 years and counting....
Tomorrow has not been promised.
You LIE!
It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
John 21:22
Luke 9:27
Mark 9:1
Matthew 26:24
Revelation 1:1
Revelation 1:3
Revelation 3:11
Revelation 22:7
Revelation 22:12
Revelation 22:20
LORD Jesus Christ could return at this very moment.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
In Christ's love always,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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| Title: Re: On-line Chat with HeartDoc (12/08/05) |
30 Nov 2005 11:23:22 AM |
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:438D81EE.C33710A6@heartmdphd.com...
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It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
Let us know when you start, okay?
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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30 Nov 2005 05:05:05 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
(andrew@heartmdphd.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
You LIE!
It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
Anyone who shoves the bible into the faces of those who do not want it is
a liar. Just because your imaginary jeebus told you it was OK to lie,
doesn't mean it actually is.
John 21:22
Luke 9:27
Mark 9:1
Matthew 26:24
Revelation 1:1
Revelation 1:3
Revelation 3:11
Revelation 22:7
Revelation 22:12
Revelation 22:20
LORD Jesus Christ could return at this very moment.
Or this one....
Or this one....
Hmmmmmm.
OK, THIS ONE!
Hmmm.....
How 'bout now?
How 'bout now?
How 'bout now?
How 'bout now?
Uh-huh. The lengthy delay, combined with the false promises I listed
above prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, he ain't coming back. If jeebus
ever existed, he died 2,000 years ago. Get over it.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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28 Nov 2005 04:34:58 PM |
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on 28 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
(andrew@heartmdphd.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
If you are asking a question, the answer is "No."
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
You will be in my prayers, dear Robyn whom I love, in Christ's holy
name.
Oooo, Robyn, does your husband know about Dr. Andrew?
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Today's example of Christian Love:
"This is the anger and low class I was speaking of. It's funny how angry
and without moral atheist are wile pretending to have a humanist type
side... It's a facade... Madaline Murry Ohare atleast (sic) admitted to
being a hatefilled (sic) *****! -- Douglas
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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27 Nov 2005 01:44:17 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:47:48 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> spake thusly:
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
Why apologize? :)
In three sentences or less, what is the "2PD-OMER
Approach"?
--
Pastor Dave
Remove the "123" and "321"
from email to email me.
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| User: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" |
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27 Nov 2005 06:32:47 AM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:47:48 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> spake thusly:
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
Why apologize? :)
In hopes that non-believers will seize the opportunity to forgive so
that they themselves will be forgiven.
In three sentences or less, what is the "2PD-OMER
Approach"?
The 2PD-OMER Approach is a way to lose weight safely and permanently no
matter the diet or exercise (or lack thereof):
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
In Christ's love always,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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| User: "Jim-Poncin" |
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| Title: Re: On-line Chat with HeartDoc (12/08/05) |
27 Nov 2005 03:53:14 PM |
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:4389A76F.DAE54A98@heartmdphd.com...
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:47:48 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> spake thusly:
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
Why apologize? :)
In hopes that non-believers will seize the opportunity to forgive so
that they themselves will be forgiven.
In three sentences or less, what is the "2PD-OMER
Approach"?
The 2PD-OMER Approach is a way to lose weight safely and permanently no
matter the diet or exercise (or lack thereof):
Two pounds of McDonalds per day?
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| User: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" |
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27 Nov 2005 04:28:19 PM |
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Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:4389A76F.DAE54A98@heartmdphd.com...
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:47:48 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> spake thusly:
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
Why apologize? :)
In hopes that non-believers will seize the opportunity to forgive so
that they themselves will be forgiven.
In three sentences or less, what is the "2PD-OMER
Approach"?
The 2PD-OMER Approach is a way to lose weight safely and permanently no
matter the diet or exercise (or lack thereof):
Two pounds of McDonalds per day?
Safe permanent weight loss will be due to the 2PD-OMER Approach and not
the McDonald's diet.
"The discerning heart seeks knowledge, but the mouth of a fool feeds on
folly." (Proverbs 15:14)
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
In Christ's love always,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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27 Nov 2005 04:49:57 PM |
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:438A3303.81DBEEAC@heartmdphd.com...
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:4389A76F.DAE54A98@heartmdphd.com...
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:47:48 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> spake thusly:
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how
the LORD has reshaped me:
Why apologize? :)
In hopes that non-believers will seize the opportunity to forgive so
that they themselves will be forgiven.
In three sentences or less, what is the "2PD-OMER
Approach"?
The 2PD-OMER Approach is a way to lose weight safely and permanently no
matter the diet or exercise (or lack thereof):
Two pounds of McDonalds per day?
Safe permanent weight loss will be due to the 2PD-OMER Approach and not
the McDonald's diet.
Really? Two pounds of what food per day then? Lettuce? Lard? Your webpage
just talks about 2 pounds.
"The discerning heart seeks knowledge, but the mouth of a fool feeds on
folly." (Proverbs 15:14)
Apparently you've been stuffing yourself for years....
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27 Nov 2005 06:27:20 PM |
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Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:438A3303.81DBEEAC@heartmdphd.com...
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:4389A76F.DAE54A98@heartmdphd.com...
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:47:48 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> spake thusly:
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how
the LORD has reshaped me:
Why apologize? :)
In hopes that non-believers will seize the opportunity to forgive so
that they themselves will be forgiven.
In three sentences or less, what is the "2PD-OMER
Approach"?
The 2PD-OMER Approach is a way to lose weight safely and permanently no
matter the diet or exercise (or lack thereof):
Two pounds of McDonalds per day?
Safe permanent weight loss will be due to the 2PD-OMER Approach and not
the McDonald's diet.
Really?
Yes.
Two pounds of what food per day then?
A person's current diet.
Lettuce? Lard? Your webpage
just talks about 2 pounds.
For the purpose of weight loss, the amount of food is the only germane
variable.
"The discerning heart seeks knowledge, but the mouth of a fool feeds on
folly." (Proverbs 15:14)
Apparently you've been stuffing yourself for years....
"Wisdom reposes in the heart of the discerning and even among fools she
lets herself be known." (Proverbs 14:33)
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
In Christ's love always,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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27 Nov 2005 07:10:38 PM |
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:438A4EE8.F47CD91E@heartmdphd.com...
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:438A3303.81DBEEAC@heartmdphd.com...
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:4389A76F.DAE54A98@heartmdphd.com...
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:47:48 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> spake thusly:
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies
for
how
the LORD has reshaped me:
Why apologize? :)
In hopes that non-believers will seize the opportunity to forgive so
that they themselves will be forgiven.
In three sentences or less, what is the "2PD-OMER
Approach"?
The 2PD-OMER Approach is a way to lose weight safely and permanently
no
matter the diet or exercise (or lack thereof):
Two pounds of McDonalds per day?
Safe permanent weight loss will be due to the 2PD-OMER Approach and not
the McDonald's diet.
Really?
Yes.
Two pounds of what food per day then?
A person's current diet.
Lettuce? Lard? Your webpage
just talks about 2 pounds.
For the purpose of weight loss, the amount of food is the only germane
variable.
Isn't fat considerably higher in calories per gram than carbs or protein?
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27 Nov 2005 09:48:09 PM |
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Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:438A4EE8.F47CD91E@heartmdphd.com...
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:438A3303.81DBEEAC@heartmdphd.com...
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:4389A76F.DAE54A98@heartmdphd.com...
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:47:48 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> spake thusly:
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies
for
how
the LORD has reshaped me:
Why apologize? :)
In hopes that non-believers will seize the opportunity to forgive so
that they themselves will be forgiven.
In three sentences or less, what is the "2PD-OMER
Approach"?
The 2PD-OMER Approach is a way to lose weight safely and permanently
no
matter the diet or exercise (or lack thereof):
Two pounds of McDonalds per day?
Safe permanent weight loss will be due to the 2PD-OMER Approach and not
the McDonald's diet.
Really?
Yes.
Two pounds of what food per day then?
A person's current diet.
Lettuce? Lard? Your webpage
just talks about 2 pounds.
For the purpose of weight loss, the amount of food is the only germane
variable.
Isn't fat considerably higher in calories per gram than carbs or protein?
Fat is more calorie dense per gram weight than either carbs or protein.
However, there is no practical way for anyone to reliably measure
calories in order to keep track of the amount they are eating in terms
of calories. Meal weights on the other hand can be reliably measured as
a means of quantifying food ingested.
"The LORD abhors dishonest scales, but accurate weights are His
delight." (Proverbs 11:1)
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
In Christ's love always,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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27 Nov 2005 10:11:50 PM |
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:438A7DF9.348898A8@heartmdphd.com...
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:438A4EE8.F47CD91E@heartmdphd.com...
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:438A3303.81DBEEAC@heartmdphd.com...
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:4389A76F.DAE54A98@heartmdphd.com...
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:47:48 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> spake thusly:
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance
apologies
for
how
the LORD has reshaped me:
Why apologize? :)
In hopes that non-believers will seize the opportunity to forgive
so
that they themselves will be forgiven.
In three sentences or less, what is the "2PD-OMER
Approach"?
The 2PD-OMER Approach is a way to lose weight safely and
permanently
no
matter the diet or exercise (or lack thereof):
Two pounds of McDonalds per day?
Safe permanent weight loss will be due to the 2PD-OMER Approach and
not
the McDonald's diet.
Really?
Yes.
Two pounds of what food per day then?
A person's current diet.
Lettuce? Lard? Your webpage
just talks about 2 pounds.
For the purpose of weight loss, the amount of food is the only germane
variable.
Isn't fat considerably higher in calories per gram than carbs or protein?
Fat is more calorie dense per gram weight than either carbs or protein.
However, there is no practical way for anyone to reliably measure
calories in order to keep track of the amount they are eating in terms
of calories. Meal weights on the other hand can be reliably measured as
a means of quantifying food ingested.
Ah, so what comprises the 2 pounds of daily food IS highly important.
Personally, I love nuts and steaks and all kinds of high calorie density
food and eat no fruit and few vegs. That's why I use a lot of rice in my
meals.
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27 Nov 2005 10:38:08 PM |
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Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:438A7DF9.348898A8@heartmdphd.com...
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:438A4EE8.F47CD91E@heartmdphd.com...
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:438A3303.81DBEEAC@heartmdphd.com...
Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:4389A76F.DAE54A98@heartmdphd.com...
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:47:48 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> spake thusly:
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance
apologies
for
how
the LORD has reshaped me:
Why apologize? :)
In hopes that non-believers will seize the opportunity to forgive
so
that they themselves will be forgiven.
In three sentences or less, what is the "2PD-OMER
Approach"?
The 2PD-OMER Approach is a way to lose weight safely and
permanently
no
matter the diet or exercise (or lack thereof):
Two pounds of McDonalds per day?
Safe permanent weight loss will be due to the 2PD-OMER Approach and
not
the McDonald's diet.
Really?
Yes.
Two pounds of what food per day then?
A person's current diet.
Lettuce? Lard? Your webpage
just talks about 2 pounds.
For the purpose of weight loss, the amount of food is the only germane
variable.
Isn't fat considerably higher in calories per gram than carbs or protein?
Fat is more calorie dense per gram weight than either carbs or protein.
However, there is no practical way for anyone to reliably measure
calories in order to keep track of the amount they are eating in terms
of calories. Meal weights on the other hand can be reliably measured as
a means of quantifying food ingested.
Ah, so what comprises the 2 pounds of daily food IS highly important.
It is important for health but not for the purpose of weight loss.
Personally, I love nuts and steaks and all kinds of high calorie density
food and eat no fruit and few vegs. That's why I use a lot of rice in my
meals.
It would be an "across the board" reduction of amount when using the
2PD-OMER Approach.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
In Christ's love always,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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28 Nov 2005 01:12:28 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:53:14 GMT, "Jim-Poncin"
<jphkjkhkj@jkjhjkhkj.net> spake thusly:
Two pounds of McDonalds per day?
But I wanna supersize! :)
--
Pastor Dave
Remove the "123" and "321"
from email to email me.
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28 Nov 2005 01:34:50 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <123newsgroup-mail321@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:5mlmo1l8sek2m3gbgcm1pnj169cd534814@4ax.com...
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:53:14 GMT, "Jim-Poncin"
<jphkjkhkj@jkjhjkhkj.net> spake thusly:
Two pounds of McDonalds per day?
But I wanna supersize! :)
Great movie wasn't it? Humor with information. I knew that stuff was crap,
but like the MDs in the film, I didn't think it was as toxic as it
apparently is.
--
Pastor Dave
Remove the "123" and "321"
from email to email me.
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28 Nov 2005 03:03:43 PM |
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Jim-Poncin wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <123newsgroup-mail321@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:5mlmo1l8sek2m3gbgcm1pnj169cd534814@4ax.com...
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:53:14 GMT, "Jim-Poncin"
<jphkjkhkj@jkjhjkhkj.net> spake thusly:
Two pounds of McDonalds per day?
But I wanna supersize! :)
Great movie wasn't it? Humor with information. I knew that stuff was crap,
but like the MDs in the film, I didn't think it was as toxic as it
apparently is.
In truth, it was the excessive amounts that was toxic and not the food
itself. They still sell the food but they did stop the supersizing.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
In Christ's love always,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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28 Nov 2005 03:03:55 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:53:14 GMT, "Jim-Poncin"
<jphkjkhkj@jkjhjkhkj.net> spake thusly:
Two pounds of McDonalds per day?
But I wanna supersize! :)
No longer available because McDonalds fears the liability now that the
truth about food amount and obesity has been revealed in the documentary
"SuperSize Me" by Morgan Spurlock :-))
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
In Christ's love always,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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28 Nov 2005 06:02:40 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:03:55 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:53:14 GMT, "Jim-Poncin"
<jphkjkhkj@jkjhjkhkj.net> spake thusly:
Two pounds of McDonalds per day?
But I wanna supersize! :)
No longer available because McDonalds fears the liability now that the
truth about food amount and obesity has been revealed in the documentary
"SuperSize Me" by Morgan Spurlock :-))
McDonald's has always been run by the woosey. :)
This is no different than when they tried to make their
food, "healthy" because of the health food kick in the
80's and changed the grease that they cook their fries
in. If you are fat, then stay out of McDonald's. If
you want to eat healthy, then stay out of McDonald's.
It's that simple. And if you can't control your "fat"
mentality, then go live in the mountains. But don't
take the word's best fries from me! And that's what
happened. Now they suck! (:
--
Pastor Dave
Remove the "123" and "321"
from email to email me.
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29 Nov 2005 09:43:01 AM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:03:55 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:53:14 GMT, "Jim-Poncin"
<jphkjkhkj@jkjhjkhkj.net> spake thusly:
Two pounds of McDonalds per day?
But I wanna supersize! :)
No longer available because McDonalds fears the liability now that the
truth about food amount and obesity has been revealed in the documentary
"SuperSize Me" by Morgan Spurlock :-))
McDonald's has always been run by the woosey. :)
This is no different than when they tried to make their
food, "healthy" because of the health food kick in the
80's and changed the grease that they cook their fries
in. If you are fat, then stay out of McDonald's. If
you want to eat healthy, then stay out of McDonald's.
It's that simple. And if you can't control your "fat"
mentality, then go live in the mountains. But don't
take the word's best fries from me! And that's what
happened. Now they suck! (:
Current estimates are that more than 85% of Americans are heavier than
optimal.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
In Christ's love always,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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27 Nov 2005 11:06:19 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 07:32:47 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> spake thusly:
You'll have to forgive me, but I find that I must be
somewhat critical in my response, based on what I
have seen that you have offered to me thus far. I am
not trying to attack you personally, so please don't
take it that way.
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:47:48 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> spake thusly:
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
Why apologize? :)
In hopes that non-believers will seize the opportunity to forgive so
that they themselves will be forgiven.
Huh? To apologize, means that you believe that you
said something wrong. Is that what you believe? Or
do you wish to teach people to apologize for being
correct? One can carry this "forgiveness" thing to far
in their attitudes, as the Lord Jesus demonstrated.
"You are of your father the Devil..." - John 8:44a
This "What Would Jesus Do" movement is a load
of garbage and it cuts out half of the Gospel. (:
In three sentences or less, what is the "2PD-OMER
Approach"?
The 2PD-OMER Approach is a way to lose weight safely and permanently no
matter the diet or exercise (or lack thereof):
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
I think my question entailed a three sentence "how". :)
I'm not buying it. And with all due respect, when one
clicks on the link on that page, for "How to lose
weight permanently", it takes one to another page that
has a link for "the story" and when you click on that,
it takes you right back to the web page you started on.
Then you have "testimonials", but nothing there that
tells you exactly what it is.
You also say on that page that negative testimonies
have been pouring in and instead of dealing with them,
you decided to rename it, which would mean that you
could then just claim that it isn't the same method.
I don't know you and I'm not trying to attack you,
but just in a 1 minute perusal I am already getting
the feeling that something's just not right here.
The only thing I saw there, was a statement that eating
less caused weight loss. I don't think we need to pay
a doctor to tell us that. And if someone does, they
are truly stupid. :)
All I see here, is you saying that the food industry
wants us to eat more. Duh! :) And that we should
eat less. Duh! :)
I don't see where this is some special, "method".
You did say above, "no matter what the diet" and even
if they don't exercise. That seems to contradict the
"eat less" philosophy, but regardless, this now sounds
like there's a pill or powder that's going to be
offered, that does this for you. Is this a product
that you're selling?
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):
I don't do online chatting. But thanks anyway. :)
--
Pastor Dave
Remove the "123" and "321"
from email to email me.
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27 Nov 2005 02:25:41 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 07:32:47 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> spake thusly:
You'll have to forgive me, but I find that I must be
somewhat critical in my response, based on what I
have seen that you have offered to me thus far. I am
not trying to attack you personally, so please don't
take it that way.
"A rebuke impresses a man of discernment more than a hundred lashes a
fool." (Proverbs 17:10)
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:47:48 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> spake thusly:
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
Why apologize? :)
In hopes that non-believers will seize the opportunity to forgive so
that they themselves will be forgiven.
Huh?
Yes.
To apologize, means that you believe that you
said something wrong.
Actually, it can mean you acknowledge the other person's ire and regret
that you are the reason for the ire. This is what apologizing means to
me.
Is that what you believe?
See above.
Or
do you wish to teach people to apologize for being
correct?
The LORD would have us love each other as we would ourselves which means
lovingly acknowledging and placating each other for any inadvertant
unavoidable trespasses.
Arguing about correctness leads to quarreling...
"Starting a quarrel is like breaching a dam; so drop the matter before a
dispute breaks out." (Proverbs 17:14)
One can carry this "forgiveness" thing to far
in their attitudes, as the Lord Jesus demonstrated.
"You are of your father the Devil..." - John 8:44a
These are words that our LORD directed at those who were plotting to
murder Him, while all along claiming the following:
"The only Father we have is GOD Himself." (John 8:41b)
This "What Would Jesus Do" movement is a load
of garbage and it cuts out half of the Gospel. (:
It remains my choice to ask "What Would Jesus Have Me Do?" as it remains
my choice to continue walking with Him after He beckoned with "Follow
Me!"
In three sentences or less, what is the "2PD-OMER
Approach"?
The 2PD-OMER Approach is a way to lose weight safely and permanently no
matter the diet or exercise (or lack thereof):
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
I think my question entailed a three sentence "how". :)
You asked for "what" and not "how."
I'm not buying it.
Nothing to purchase. Just as our LORD gave freely of Himself, so I
follow.
And with all due respect, when one
clicks on the link on that page, for "How to lose
weight permanently", it takes one to another page that
has a link for "the story" and when you click on that,
it takes you right back to the web page you started on.
You missed this link which preceded the "Background"
http://www.heartmdphd.com/losewtnd.pdf
Then you have "testimonials", but nothing there that
tells you exactly what it is.
See link above.
You also say on that page that negative testimonies
have been pouring in and instead of dealing with them,
you decided to rename it, which would mean that you
could then just claim that it isn't the same method.
It remains the same method. No claim has been made otherwise.
I don't know you and I'm not trying to attack you,
but just in a 1 minute perusal I am already getting
the feeling that something's just not right here.
You missed the link for the actual instructions.
The only thing I saw there, was a statement that eating
less caused weight loss. I don't think we need to pay
a doctor to tell us that.
You will need to pay your doctor to supervise your use of the 2PD-OMER
Approach especially when medications require adjusting downward as you
lose weight.
And if someone does, they
are truly stupid. :)
It remains my choice to refrain from judging others.
All I see here, is you saying that the food industry
wants us to eat more. Duh! :) And that we should
eat less. Duh! :)
I don't see where this is some special, "method".
You have not read the instructions yet.
You did say above, "no matter what the diet" and even
if they don't exercise. That seems to contradict the
"eat less" philosophy, but regardless, this now sounds
like there's a pill or powder that's going to be
offered, that does this for you. Is this a product
that you're selling?
No.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
In Christ's love always,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: On-line Chat with HeartDoc (12/08/05) |
28 Nov 2005 01:11:27 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:25:41 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> spake thusly:
To apologize, means that you believe that you
said something wrong.
Actually, it can mean you acknowledge the other person's ire and regret
that you are the reason for the ire. This is what apologizing means to
me.
I see. So you are giving a general apology that they
feel badly because of your words. Okay, that's fair
enough, but I think we have to ask ourselves if what
we are saying is correct and with kindness, did Jesus,
or the Apostles ever apologize for that? Isn't the
whole idea to make them feel bad about sin? I mean
isn't that the first step that comes before repentance?
I get what you're saying. I do. I just still question
it, but it isn't my call to make. :)
One can carry this "forgiveness" thing to far
in their attitudes, as the Lord Jesus demonstrated.
"You are of your father the Devil..." - John 8:44a
These are words that our LORD directed at those who were plotting to
murder Him, while all along claiming the following:
"The only Father we have is GOD Himself." (John 8:41b)
I agree. I'm not saying that we should repeat those
words to everyone. :) I was merely giving a strong
example to make a point. :)
This "What Would Jesus Do" movement is a load
of garbage and it cuts out half of the Gospel. (:
It remains my choice to ask "What Would Jesus Have Me Do?" as it remains
my choice to continue walking with Him after He beckoned with "Follow
Me!"
Of course He would. I wouldn't dare dispute that! :)
I am only saying that the movement that asks this and
claims that any harshness whatsoever is not of God, is
cutting out half the Gospel.
In three sentences or less, what is the "2PD-OMER
Approach"?
The 2PD-OMER Approach is a way to lose weight safely and permanently no
matter the diet or exercise (or lack thereof):
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
I think my question entailed a three sentence "how". :)
You asked for "what" and not "how."
You are right. I stand corrected. :)
I'm not buying it.
Nothing to purchase. Just as our LORD gave freely of Himself, so I
follow.
Okay, fair enough. :) But I didn't mean "purchase".
And with all due respect, when one
clicks on the link on that page, for "How to lose
weight permanently", it takes one to another page that
has a link for "the story" and when you click on that,
it takes you right back to the web page you started on.
You missed this link which preceded the "Background"
http://www.heartmdphd.com/losewtnd.pdf
As yes, thank you! :) That's what I was trying to
find. :)
Thanks for the link. The rest of the post is
meaningless now, so I snipped it.
--
Pastor Dave
Remove the "123" and "321"
from email to email me.
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| User: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" |
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| Title: Re: On-line Chat with HeartDoc (12/08/05) |
28 Nov 2005 03:03:59 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:25:41 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung,
MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> spake thusly:
To apologize, means that you believe that you
said something wrong.
Actually, it can mean you acknowledge the other person's ire and regret
that you are the reason for the ire. This is what apologizing means to
me.
I see. So you are giving a general apology that they
feel badly because of your words. Okay, that's fair
enough, but I think we have to ask ourselves if what
we are saying is correct and with kindness, did Jesus,
or the Apostles ever apologize for that?
The LORD has shaped me differently and so He uses me differently.
Isn't the
whole idea to make them feel bad about sin?
Actually, my hope is that through me, the LORD will convince folks to
someday repent. Extending an olive leaf to those who are angry about
the light of Christ Jesus emanating from my heart has had a powerful
effect on folks like Bob Pastorio, GaryG, Thorsten Schier, Ernie Primer,
Don Kirkman, et al (Sorry about leaving anybody out).
I mean
isn't that the first step that comes before repentance?
They can't feel bad about anything if they choose to disengage and
suppress their feelings.
I get what you're saying. I do. I just still question
it, but it isn't my call to make. :)
For example, witness how Bob Pastorio has been unable to disengage...
....nor has GaryG
....nor has Don Kirkman
....nor has Thorsten Schier
One can carry this "forgiveness" thing to far
in their attitudes, as the Lord Jesus demonstrated.
"You are of your father the Devil..." - John 8:44a
These are words that our LORD directed at those who were plotting to
murder Him, while all along claiming the following:
"The only Father we have is GOD Himself." (John 8:41b)
I agree. I'm not saying that we should repeat those
words to everyone. :) I was merely giving a strong
example to make a point. :)
To love is to forgive.
This "What Would Jesus Do" movement is a load
of garbage and it cuts out half of the Gospel. (:
It remains my choice to ask "What Would Jesus Have Me Do?" as it remains
my choice to continue walking with Him after He beckoned with "Follow
Me!"
Of course He would. I wouldn't dare dispute that! :)
I am only saying that the movement that asks this and
claims that any harshness whatsoever is not of God, is
cutting out half the Gospel.
Yes, our beloved LORD is also the great Disciplinarian as half the
gospel would attest. This is something that is appreciated only by the
wise. And, by the LORD's design, there is no wisdom in those who have
rejected Him. For this reason, we do not have the power to save anyone
who the LORD has not made receptive to His light.
In three sentences or less, what is the "2PD-OMER
Approach"?
The 2PD-OMER Approach is a way to lose weight safely and permanently no
matter the diet or exercise (or lack thereof):
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
I think my question entailed a three sentence "how". :)
You asked for "what" and not "how."
You are right.
The LORD is right. Thankfully, it has been my choice to stand on the
right side.
I stand corrected. :)
The rebukes come when we stop following Him.
I'm not buying it.
Nothing to purchase. Just as our LORD gave freely of Himself, so I
follow.
Okay, fair enough. :) But I didn't mean "purchase".
I knew what you meant :-)
The "purchase" foreshadowed what had followed later in your post :-))
And with all due respect, when one
clicks on the link on that page, for "How to lose
weight permanently", it takes one to another page that
has a link for "the story" and when you click on that,
it takes you right back to the web page you started on.
You missed this link which preceded the "Background"
http://www.heartmdphd.com/losewtnd.pdf
As yes, thank you! :) That's what I was trying to
find. :)
Thanks for the link.
You are welcome :-) All praises belong to the LORD Almighty, Whom we
love with all our hearts, minds, souls, and strength :-)))
The rest of the post is
meaningless now, so I snipped it.
Without the LORD's love, everything is meaningless.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
In Christ's love always,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
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| User: "Bob this one" |
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| Title: Re: On-line Chat with HeartDoc (12/08/05) |
01 Dec 2005 06:15:23 AM |
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Actually, my hope is that through me, the LORD will convince folks to
someday repent. Extending an olive leaf to those who are angry about
the light of Christ Jesus emanating from my heart has had a powerful
effect on folks like Bob Pastorio, GaryG, Thorsten Schier, Ernie Primer,
Don Kirkman, et al (Sorry about leaving anybody out).
In the world of psychiatry, there's a technical term "magical thinking."
It's defined as "A schizotypal personality disorder attributing to one's
own actions something that had nothing to do with him or her and thus
assuming that one has a greater influence over events than is actually
the case." But let's all note that, typically, Chung doesn't actually
say what he thinks that effect is. Just a vague statement in which he
tries to congratulate himself, like he always does.
"Powerful effect..." :-) More like typing practice and really basic
logic to demolish his castle of errors.
Chung to a "T" - poor guy believes he has exerted influence beyond his
actual sphere of influence. The fact is that he's the widest,
slowest-moving target in Usenet that I've ever seen.
Chung offers so many outright blunders, so many outright lies, so many
outright muddy-headed thoughts that it's grand fun to poke him around.
All those people he's named use him for a verbal pincushion, and he's so
utterly obtuse as to miss the intellectual desert he lives in. So
totally panicked about being wrong that he'll lie, evade, and twist
words to make himself right. Like that whole omer business. Like how
many calories are in 2 pounds of bread. Like how many calories a person
will use in running five miles. Like evading naming the restaurant that
sells lobster and shrimp for $5. Like evading naming the event where he
says people paid $1850 (or whatever it was) to hear him speak. Like
posting about the 625,500 people who did the 2PD with no failures, no
deaths, no dropouts... and it's old testament people with no records to
support his contentions. No science. No logic. No proof. No substantiation.
For example, witness how Bob Pastorio has been unable to disengage...
...nor has GaryG
...nor has Don Kirkman
...nor has Thorsten Schier
Just another day at the bizarro ranch of Chung the Unreflective. Chung
who has to answer virtually *every* post that anyone makes to *any*
thread he's in. The absolute master of inability to disengage. Chung who
has posted more than all the others he names combined. That same Chung
who exemplifies all that he condemns, but to a greater degree than any
of the ones he decries.
And notice how Chung has threatened his critics with lawsuits and other
punishments and none has happened. Notice how he tries to inflate the
value of everything about him - meeting in "Paradise" - could he be more
egotistically clownish? Writing those baloney articles and attributing
them to some other author. Just like that FAKE FAQ of his that he says
was written by lots of other people. Maybe so, if he has multiple
personality disorder in addition to all the rest of his lunacies. Chung
the empty suit.
Foolish Chung.
Pastorio
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