In your opinion as a cook. You may be a credit to the culinary arts but
here you are out of your element. Would suggest you turn back and
before the LORD utterly annihilates you through His faithful servant.

"Bob (this one)" wrote:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

"Bob (this one)" wrote:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

"Bob (this one)" wrote:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Without chance events (ie chance mutations, random assortment, random
chromosomal breakage, random transposition, random selection, random
propagation, random environment), there can be no evolution per
evolutionary theory as put forth by Charles Darwin.

This is a word game just like most of Chung's posts.

This is not a game for me.

The evidence of your actions give the lie to that.

It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully just as it has been
your choice to do otherwise.

<LOL>

Those without the LORD can only despair.

Chung calls the pot black...

In truth, name calling is not my style.

"Chance" as
Chungishly defined means unguided, illogical, without order.

Chance as used in what I have written is chance as commonly defined.

Sure. In precis, it's what I said.

In truth, it was not what you had written.

Unfortunate that English isn't your first language.

In truth, there is no such thing as either unfortunate or fortunate.

Obvious from your
inability to use it and understand it correctly.

If that were true, there would be no explanation for your struggles
except the work of LORD Almighty GOD.

From the online Webster dictionary (www.m-w.com)

Main Entry: chance
Pronunciation: 'chan(t)s
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from (assumed) Vulgar Latin
cadentia fall, from Latin cadent-, cadens, present participle of cadere
to fall; perhaps akin to Sanskrit sad- to fall off
1 a : something that happens unpredictably without discernible human
intention or observable cause b : the assumed impersonal purposeless
determiner of unaccountable happenings : LUCK c : the fortuitous or
incalculable element in existence : CONTINGENCY
2 : a situation favoring some purpose : OPPORTUNITY <needed a chance to
relax>
3 : a fielding opportunity in baseball
4 a : the possibility of a particular outcome in an uncertain situation;
also : the degree of likelihood of such an outcome <a small chance of
success> b plural : the more likely indications <chances are he's
already gone>
5 a : RISK <not taking any chances> b : a raffle ticket
- chance adjective
- by chance : in the haphazard course of events <they met by chance>

The fact is
that evolution proceeds according to very specific causes and effects.
They may *appear* random - may *seem* to be random - but every change
has a cause. If it's a stray cosmic ray or a certain Mendeleevian
confluence of conditions, all the changes that happen in the genetic
trail of life over these millions of years have causes. Because we can't
explain them all doesn't mean they aren't clearly caused. To quote
blowhole Chung, "Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence."

"Darwin's theory of the evolution of species through natural selection,
starts from the premise that an organism's traits can vary in a
**nondeterministic** way from parent to offspring, a process Darwin
called 'individuation'.

I note your highlighted word.

It took you long enough.

It's the word chosen by some anonymous
writer for Wikipedia.

Actually, the highlighting is by me.

But do note that the next sentence clarifies the
meaning of the process and some of the mechanisms that could be at work.

Nondeterministic is not a process.

Obviously, it's not nondeterministic, it only appears to be.

Nondeterministic is precisely defined below.

But that's
a matter of appearance, not reality.

Not for those who are able to discern the truth.

You seem unable to distinguish or
"discern" the two properly.

You often remind me of the blind man who would comment on the vision of
the seeing. Just as it is too easy for the seeing to discredit such a
blind man, it has been easy for me to discredit you to GOD's glory.
Such is the fate of the faithless who will be forever without GOD. In
truth, the faithless will never stand.

Darwin did not make any specific claims as to
how variation betwen individuals is generated, but modern genetics has
characterized several mechanisms that can generate such variation, e.g.,
random mutations of the genetic material (DNA) can arise from errors
during the replication of the DNA as well as from damage to the DNA
generated during the transcription of genes or caused by chemicals and
physical agents (e.g. X rays); and in sexual populations genetic
recombination mixes the DNA of two parents into that of offspring so
that the latter are guaranteed to differ genetically from each other and
from their parents."

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection
with **emphasis** added.

Definition of nondeterministic...
nondeterministic: Permitting more than one choice of next move at some
step in a computation.
Source:
http://www.nist.gov/dads/HTML/nondeterministic.html

"From Algorithms and Theory of Computation Handbook, page 24-19,
Copyright © 1999 by CRC Press LLC. Appearing in the Dictionary of
Computer Science, Engineering and Technology, Copyright © 2000 CRC Press
LLC."

It's a different usage than would be the case in biology.

In your opinion as a cook.

You may be a credit to the culinary arts but

here you are out of your element.

Would suggest you turn back and
before the LORD utterly annihilates you through His faithful servant.

Yes, and...?

See below.

Below where you use a quotation from the bible as "evidence" in a
discussion about science? And I also note that there are many
definitions of "nondeterministic" for different applications. It's a
very specific word in philosophical, mathematical, robotic and other
tight-subject worlds.

Try this: "Determinism is the philosophical proposition that every
event, including human cognition and action, is causally determined by
an unbroken chain of prior occurrences. No mysterious miracles or wholly
random events occur. If there has been even one indeterministic event
since the beginning of time, then determinism is false."
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondeterminism>

The theory of evolution was not a philosophical proposition so the
mathematically precise definition of **nondeterministic** will remain
the appropriate one to use.

So clearly, the attempt to explain the mechanism behind the facts of
evolving life was flawed.

More seriously, the theory itself is founded on the untrue premise that
traits are passed on from parent to offspring in a **nondeterministic**
fashion.

But the fact of the evolution remains despite
an incomplete understanding that Darwin had of the processes.

Without the truth, there can be no facts. Indeed, science at its
very core is the search for the truth. For this reason, no theory is
ever called a fact by a scientist.

You remind me of a cook pretending to be a scientist... this should
not be surprising for folks who are in the know because you ARE a cook
pretending to be a scientist. What do you hope to gain from painting
yourself as the absolute eternal fool for all to see?

There is no one who can make you look like a bigger fool than what
you have done to yourself except the LORD. And, indeed this is the
LORD's doing to drive you to what you have done. Your being made the
biggest fool in the entire universe for all to see for the rest of
eternity thanks to the Google archives is actually irrefutable proof of
the LORD Almighty GOD's existence, His omniscience, and omnipotence.

May GOD have mercy on your poor miserable soul, dear Bob whom I love,
in His Son Jesus' most precious and holy name for you truly do not have
a clue about what you are doing. Amen.