Religions > Atheism > Re: Oops, Fred never claimed the Surge was going to keep Americans from getting killed
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Re: Oops, Fred never claimed the Surge was going to keep Americans from getting killed |
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:klgoc3lj3ja0ctg7herntb80ffr2a1ig76@4ax.com:
http://www3.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf
June-July-August 2003: 113 Americans killed
June-July-August 2004: 162 Americans killed
June-July-August 2005: 217 Americans killed
June-July-August 2006: 169 Americans killed
June-July-August 2007: 229 Americans killed so far
I never said that American GIs weren't going to be going in harm's way,
Yangie-poo. We're on the offensive.
Oops, Yangie-poos lied again.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” - George
Orwell
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22 Aug 2007 04:57:34 PM |
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On 22 Aug 2007 16:26:04 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99947E8867F2Afreddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:klgoc3lj3ja0ctg7herntb80ffr2a1ig76@4ax.com:
http://www3.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf
June-July-August 2003: 113 Americans killed
June-July-August 2004: 162 Americans killed
June-July-August 2005: 217 Americans killed
June-July-August 2006: 169 Americans killed
June-July-August 2007: 229 Americans killed so far
I never said that American GIs weren't going to be going in harm's way,
Yangie-poo. We're on the offensive.
Oops, Yangie-poos lied again.
So our deaths are up. Iraqi civilian deaths are up. What again is the
evidence that the surge is working?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| Title: Re: Oops, Fred never claimed the Surge was going to keep Americans from getting killed |
22 Aug 2007 06:12:24 PM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:6nqoc316j1vfk3e34o1jiv4o0v20cjhrrh@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 16:26:04 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99947E8867F2Afreddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:klgoc3lj3ja0ctg7herntb80ffr2a1ig76@4ax.com:
http://www3.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf
June-July-August 2003: 113 Americans killed
June-July-August 2004: 162 Americans killed
June-July-August 2005: 217 Americans killed
June-July-August 2006: 169 Americans killed
June-July-August 2007: 229 Americans killed so far
I never said that American GIs weren't going to be going in harm's
way, Yangie-poo. We're on the offensive.
Oops, Yangie-poos lied again.
So our deaths are up. Iraqi civilian deaths are up. What again is the
evidence that the surge is working?
al Qaeda is on the run. Anbar and Diyala province are no longer
terrorist territory.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Oops, Fred never claimed the Surge was going to keep Americans from getting killed |
22 Aug 2007 07:00:01 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns999490913682freddybear@216.151.153.66...
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:6nqoc316j1vfk3e34o1jiv4o0v20cjhrrh@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 16:26:04 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99947E8867F2Afreddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:klgoc3lj3ja0ctg7herntb80ffr2a1ig76@4ax.com:
http://www3.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf
June-July-August 2003: 113 Americans killed
June-July-August 2004: 162 Americans killed
June-July-August 2005: 217 Americans killed
June-July-August 2006: 169 Americans killed
June-July-August 2007: 229 Americans killed so far
I never said that American GIs weren't going to be going in harm's
way, Yangie-poo. We're on the offensive.
Oops, Yangie-poos lied again.
So our deaths are up. Iraqi civilian deaths are up. What again is the
evidence that the surge is working?
al Qaeda is on the run. Anbar and Diyala province are no longer
terrorist territory.
Oh! We can figure this out then! How many provinces are left? Multiply that
number by how many soldiers we lost "liberating" Anbar and Diyala. That'll
give the military a rough number of how many more body-bags to order.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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22 Aug 2007 07:35:05 PM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns999490913682freddybear@216.151.153.66...
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:6nqoc316j1vfk3e34o1jiv4o0v20cjhrrh@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 16:26:04 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99947E8867F2Afreddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:klgoc3lj3ja0ctg7herntb80ffr2a1ig76@4ax.com:
http://www3.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf
June-July-August 2003: 113 Americans killed
June-July-August 2004: 162 Americans killed
June-July-August 2005: 217 Americans killed
June-July-August 2006: 169 Americans killed
June-July-August 2007: 229 Americans killed so far
I never said that American GIs weren't going to be going in harm's
way, Yangie-poo. We're on the offensive.
Oops, Yangie-poos lied again.
So our deaths are up. Iraqi civilian deaths are up. What again is
the evidence that the surge is working?
al Qaeda is on the run. Anbar and Diyala province are no longer
terrorist territory.
Oh! We can figure this out then! How many provinces are left?
Multiply that number by how many soldiers we lost "liberating" Anbar
and Diyala. That'll give the military a rough number of how many more
body-bags to order.
And at which point they'll move back to Anbar and Diyala. This cycle has
been repeated now for 4 years.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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22 Aug 2007 07:57:35 PM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in
news:LqmdnZfBCdF2ElHbnZ2dnUVZ_uKpnZ2d@giganews.com:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns999490913682freddybear@216.151.153.66...
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:6nqoc316j1vfk3e34o1jiv4o0v20cjhrrh@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 16:26:04 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99947E8867F2Afreddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:klgoc3lj3ja0ctg7herntb80ffr2a1ig76@4ax.com:
http://www3.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf
June-July-August 2003: 113 Americans killed
June-July-August 2004: 162 Americans killed
June-July-August 2005: 217 Americans killed
June-July-August 2006: 169 Americans killed
June-July-August 2007: 229 Americans killed so far
I never said that American GIs weren't going to be going in harm's
way, Yangie-poo. We're on the offensive.
Oops, Yangie-poos lied again.
So our deaths are up. Iraqi civilian deaths are up. What again is
the evidence that the surge is working?
al Qaeda is on the run. Anbar and Diyala province are no longer
terrorist territory.
Oh! We can figure this out then! How many provinces are left?
Multiply that number by how many soldiers we lost "liberating" Anbar
and Diyala. That'll give the military a rough number of how many more
body-bags to order.
And at which point they'll move back to Anbar and Diyala. This cycle
has been repeated now for 4 years.
They aren't going to move back because we aren't going to leave a vacuum
behind us like we did before.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Oops, Fred never claimed the Surge was going to keep Americans from getting killed |
23 Aug 2007 02:19:24 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9994A29B61A45freddybear@216.151.153.44...
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in
news:LqmdnZfBCdF2ElHbnZ2dnUVZ_uKpnZ2d@giganews.com:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns999490913682freddybear@216.151.153.66...
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:6nqoc316j1vfk3e34o1jiv4o0v20cjhrrh@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 16:26:04 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99947E8867F2Afreddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:klgoc3lj3ja0ctg7herntb80ffr2a1ig76@4ax.com:
http://www3.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf
June-July-August 2003: 113 Americans killed
June-July-August 2004: 162 Americans killed
June-July-August 2005: 217 Americans killed
June-July-August 2006: 169 Americans killed
June-July-August 2007: 229 Americans killed so far
I never said that American GIs weren't going to be going in harm's
way, Yangie-poo. We're on the offensive.
Oops, Yangie-poos lied again.
So our deaths are up. Iraqi civilian deaths are up. What again is
the evidence that the surge is working?
al Qaeda is on the run. Anbar and Diyala province are no longer
terrorist territory.
Oh! We can figure this out then! How many provinces are left?
Multiply that number by how many soldiers we lost "liberating" Anbar
and Diyala. That'll give the military a rough number of how many more
body-bags to order.
And at which point they'll move back to Anbar and Diyala. This cycle
has been repeated now for 4 years.
They aren't going to move back because we aren't going to leave a vacuum
behind us like we did before.
Do you believe that Jesus will arrive and do for soldiers what he did for
loaves and fishes?
Or will we fill the vacuum with cotton candy?
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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23 Aug 2007 12:40:41 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
news:QLudnaqQSN4zc1HbnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@io.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9994A29B61A45freddybear@216.151.153.44...
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in
news:LqmdnZfBCdF2ElHbnZ2dnUVZ_uKpnZ2d@giganews.com:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns999490913682freddybear@216.151.153.66...
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com>
wrote in news:6nqoc316j1vfk3e34o1jiv4o0v20cjhrrh@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 16:26:04 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99947E8867F2Afreddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:klgoc3lj3ja0ctg7herntb80ffr2a1ig76@4ax.com:
http://www3.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf
June-July-August 2003: 113 Americans killed
June-July-August 2004: 162 Americans killed
June-July-August 2005: 217 Americans killed
June-July-August 2006: 169 Americans killed
June-July-August 2007: 229 Americans killed so far
I never said that American GIs weren't going to be going in
harm's way, Yangie-poo. We're on the offensive.
Oops, Yangie-poos lied again.
So our deaths are up. Iraqi civilian deaths are up. What again is
the evidence that the surge is working?
al Qaeda is on the run. Anbar and Diyala province are no longer
terrorist territory.
Oh! We can figure this out then! How many provinces are left?
Multiply that number by how many soldiers we lost "liberating"
Anbar and Diyala. That'll give the military a rough number of how
many more body-bags to order.
And at which point they'll move back to Anbar and Diyala. This cycle
has been repeated now for 4 years.
They aren't going to move back because we aren't going to leave a
vacuum behind us like we did before.
Do you believe that Jesus will arrive and do for soldiers what he did
for loaves and fishes?
Or will we fill the vacuum with cotton candy?
Why don't you read about what we're actually doing instead of making
such Stupid Liberal Comments, you Fucking Jackass?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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22 Aug 2007 08:04:00 PM |
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On 22 Aug 2007 19:57:35 GMT, in alt.atheism
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
<Xns9994A29B61A45freddybear@216.151.153.44>:
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in
news:LqmdnZfBCdF2ElHbnZ2dnUVZ_uKpnZ2d@giganews.com:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns999490913682freddybear@216.151.153.66...
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:6nqoc316j1vfk3e34o1jiv4o0v20cjhrrh@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 16:26:04 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99947E8867F2Afreddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:klgoc3lj3ja0ctg7herntb80ffr2a1ig76@4ax.com:
http://www3.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf
June-July-August 2003: 113 Americans killed
June-July-August 2004: 162 Americans killed
June-July-August 2005: 217 Americans killed
June-July-August 2006: 169 Americans killed
June-July-August 2007: 229 Americans killed so far
I never said that American GIs weren't going to be going in harm's
way, Yangie-poo. We're on the offensive.
Oops, Yangie-poos lied again.
So our deaths are up. Iraqi civilian deaths are up. What again is
the evidence that the surge is working?
al Qaeda is on the run. Anbar and Diyala province are no longer
terrorist territory.
Oh! We can figure this out then! How many provinces are left?
Multiply that number by how many soldiers we lost "liberating" Anbar
and Diyala. That'll give the military a rough number of how many more
body-bags to order.
And at which point they'll move back to Anbar and Diyala. This cycle
has been repeated now for 4 years.
They aren't going to move back because we aren't going to leave a vacuum
behind us like we did before.
Has the Arab League volunteered to oppress, er, occupy Iraq for the
foreseeable future? You know that Bush has shown himself incompetent to
occupy Iraq and Afghanistan and has done so badly that supporters of
this neverending occupation will lose in 2008. Too bad, America really
should have done something about the Taliban and al Qaeda.
Unfortunately, we had Bush in the White House, screwing things up.
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22 Aug 2007 09:05:40 PM |
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Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in
news:7g5pc3hck8qcfbcsh9ucdekorli5he5vu5@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 19:57:35 GMT, in alt.atheism
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
<Xns9994A29B61A45freddybear@216.151.153.44>:
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in
news:LqmdnZfBCdF2ElHbnZ2dnUVZ_uKpnZ2d@giganews.com:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns999490913682freddybear@216.151.153.66...
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com>
wrote in news:6nqoc316j1vfk3e34o1jiv4o0v20cjhrrh@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 16:26:04 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99947E8867F2Afreddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:klgoc3lj3ja0ctg7herntb80ffr2a1ig76@4ax.com:
http://www3.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf
June-July-August 2003: 113 Americans killed
June-July-August 2004: 162 Americans killed
June-July-August 2005: 217 Americans killed
June-July-August 2006: 169 Americans killed
June-July-August 2007: 229 Americans killed so far
I never said that American GIs weren't going to be going in
harm's way, Yangie-poo. We're on the offensive.
Oops, Yangie-poos lied again.
So our deaths are up. Iraqi civilian deaths are up. What again is
the evidence that the surge is working?
al Qaeda is on the run. Anbar and Diyala province are no longer
terrorist territory.
Oh! We can figure this out then! How many provinces are left?
Multiply that number by how many soldiers we lost "liberating"
Anbar and Diyala. That'll give the military a rough number of how
many more body-bags to order.
And at which point they'll move back to Anbar and Diyala. This cycle
has been repeated now for 4 years.
They aren't going to move back because we aren't going to leave a
vacuum behind us like we did before.
Has the Arab League volunteered to oppress, er, occupy Iraq for the
foreseeable future? You know that Bush has shown himself incompetent
to occupy Iraq and Afghanistan and has done so badly that supporters
of this neverending occupation will lose in 2008.
Lunchie, your drumbeat of despair could be overtaken by events. Even the
Democrats can't keep Iraq from turning into a success.
Too bad, America
really should have done something about the Taliban and al Qaeda.
Unfortunately, we had Bush in the White House, screwing things up.
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/08/bad-news-for-dems-baathists-
leader-al.html
Baghdad, 22 August (AKI) - The leader of Iraq's banned Baath party,
Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, has decided to join efforts by the Iraqi
authorities to fight al-Qaeda, one of the party's former top officials,
Abu Wisam al-Jashaami, told pan-Arab daily Al Hayat.
"AlDouri has decided to sever ties with al-Qaeda and sign up to the
programme of the national resistance, which includes routing Islamist
terrorists and opening up dialogue with the Baghdad government and
foreign forces," al-Jashaami said.
Al-Douri has decided to deal directly with US forces in Iraq,
according to al-Jashaami. He figures in the 55-card deck of "most
wanted" officials from the former Iraqi regime issued by the US
government.
In return, for cooperating in the fight against al-Qaeda, al-Douri
has asked for guarantees over his men's safety and for an end to Iraqi
army attacks on his militias.
This ought to please those antiwar Democrats who are complaining about
not enough political progress in Iraq.
Iraqi-American friend Haider Ajina says this about the the news:
Yes, al Douri (the red Satan). The Saudi's must have put the
pressure on him. he would only do this because he is loosing. I am
afraid he may be buying time.
I think its like sharing your sleeping bag with a weak and tired
rattle snake...
Interpol issued an arrest warrant for Izzat Abrhim al-Douri three days
ago.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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22 Aug 2007 07:18:59 PM |
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On 22 Aug 2007 18:12:24 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns999490913682freddybear@216.151.153.66>
wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:6nqoc316j1vfk3e34o1jiv4o0v20cjhrrh@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 16:26:04 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99947E8867F2Afreddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:klgoc3lj3ja0ctg7herntb80ffr2a1ig76@4ax.com:
http://www3.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf
June-July-August 2003: 113 Americans killed
June-July-August 2004: 162 Americans killed
June-July-August 2005: 217 Americans killed
June-July-August 2006: 169 Americans killed
June-July-August 2007: 229 Americans killed so far
I never said that American GIs weren't going to be going in harm's
way, Yangie-poo. We're on the offensive.
Oops, Yangie-poos lied again.
So our deaths are up. Iraqi civilian deaths are up. What again is the
evidence that the surge is working?
al Qaeda is on the run.
On the run or simply moving out of way of a necessarily temporary
action? Arming Sunnis had the predictable first step political
results: the Shiites are really upset. Oh, and the Sunnis have left
the government. Having progress in one area is very easy if you ignore
the rest.
Anbar and Diyala province are no longer
terrorist territory.
And the south is firmly in the hands of Shiites independent of the
government.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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22 Aug 2007 08:02:03 PM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:ir2pc35ok8t64ne9i3hsrnvfaj0hpvisap@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 18:12:24 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns999490913682freddybear@216.151.153.66>
wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:6nqoc316j1vfk3e34o1jiv4o0v20cjhrrh@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 16:26:04 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99947E8867F2Afreddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:klgoc3lj3ja0ctg7herntb80ffr2a1ig76@4ax.com:
http://www3.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf
June-July-August 2003: 113 Americans killed
June-July-August 2004: 162 Americans killed
June-July-August 2005: 217 Americans killed
June-July-August 2006: 169 Americans killed
June-July-August 2007: 229 Americans killed so far
I never said that American GIs weren't going to be going in harm's
way, Yangie-poo. We're on the offensive.
Oops, Yangie-poos lied again.
So our deaths are up. Iraqi civilian deaths are up. What again is
the
evidence that the surge is working?
al Qaeda is on the run.
On the run or simply moving out of way of a necessarily temporary
action? Arming Sunnis had the predictable first step political
results: the Shiites are really upset.
Which Shi'ites?
Oh, and the Sunnis have left
the government. Having progress in one area is very easy if you ignore
the rest.
They've been in and out of the government all summer. Finding things to
whine about is easy if you don't care about what is working.
Anbar and Diyala province are no longer
terrorist territory.
And the south is firmly in the hands of Shiites independent of the
government.
They're on the list.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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On 22 Aug 2007 20:02:03 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9994A35D6D72Bfreddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:ir2pc35ok8t64ne9i3hsrnvfaj0hpvisap@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 18:12:24 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns999490913682freddybear@216.151.153.66>
wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:6nqoc316j1vfk3e34o1jiv4o0v20cjhrrh@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 16:26:04 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99947E8867F2Afreddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:klgoc3lj3ja0ctg7herntb80ffr2a1ig76@4ax.com:
http://www3.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf
June-July-August 2003: 113 Americans killed
June-July-August 2004: 162 Americans killed
June-July-August 2005: 217 Americans killed
June-July-August 2006: 169 Americans killed
June-July-August 2007: 229 Americans killed so far
I never said that American GIs weren't going to be going in harm's
way, Yangie-poo. We're on the offensive.
Oops, Yangie-poos lied again.
So our deaths are up. Iraqi civilian deaths are up. What again is
the
evidence that the surge is working?
al Qaeda is on the run.
On the run or simply moving out of way of a necessarily temporary
action? Arming Sunnis had the predictable first step political
results: the Shiites are really upset.
Which Shi'ites?
Haven't you been following? Seriously, what do you want here?
Oh, and the Sunnis have left
the government. Having progress in one area is very easy if you ignore
the rest.
They've been in and out of the government all summer. Finding things to
whine about is easy if you don't care about what is working.
No, they left and did not return. And it is not a question of what is
working, but what direction the sum total is moving. And it is moving
to separation and violence. Millions have been displaced and no sense
of anyone even thinking about dealing with that. No progress has been
made on any of the deep structural problems that have been there from
the start. Instead you are cheering about small progress on one of the
problems caused by the invasion. I am sorry, Fred, but optimism is not
a strategy and is not a substitute for evidence. Thinking and saying
things are going great does not make them go great.
Anbar and Diyala province are no longer
terrorist territory.
And the south is firmly in the hands of Shiites independent of the
government.
They're on the list.
Sure they are. That is why the British got out of the way after
declaring victory. And we certainly have enough troops to hold Anbar
and Diyala and Baghdad and move on the south and defeat the Shiites. I
am sure that Maliki will love that.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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22 Aug 2007 11:16:01 PM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:ek7pc3huqh6qfd0bbp0g9t3dh1n5s4m8n2@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 20:02:03 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9994A35D6D72Bfreddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:ir2pc35ok8t64ne9i3hsrnvfaj0hpvisap@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 18:12:24 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999490913682freddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:6nqoc316j1vfk3e34o1jiv4o0v20cjhrrh@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 16:26:04 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99947E8867F2Afreddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:klgoc3lj3ja0ctg7herntb80ffr2a1ig76@4ax.com:
http://www3.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf
June-July-August 2003: 113 Americans killed
June-July-August 2004: 162 Americans killed
June-July-August 2005: 217 Americans killed
June-July-August 2006: 169 Americans killed
June-July-August 2007: 229 Americans killed so far
I never said that American GIs weren't going to be going in harm's
way, Yangie-poo. We're on the offensive.
Oops, Yangie-poos lied again.
So our deaths are up. Iraqi civilian deaths are up. What again is
the
evidence that the surge is working?
al Qaeda is on the run.
On the run or simply moving out of way of a necessarily temporary
action? Arming Sunnis had the predictable first step political
results: the Shiites are really upset.
Which Shi'ites?
Haven't you been following? Seriously, what do you want here?
I want *you* to acknowledge the factions, Matt.
Oh, and the Sunnis have left
the government. Having progress in one area is very easy if you
ignore the rest.
They've been in and out of the government all summer. Finding things
to whine about is easy if you don't care about what is working.
No, they left and did not return.
And now they're coming back in again. Or haven't you been paying
attention. It's a kabuki dance, Matt, and you're only following half the
action.
And it is not a question of what is
working, but what direction the sum total is moving. And it is moving
to separation and violence.
And then again maybe it's not.
Millions have been displaced and no sense
of anyone even thinking about dealing with that. No progress has been
made on any of the deep structural problems that have been there from
the start. Instead you are cheering about small progress on one of the
problems caused by the invasion. I am sorry, Fred, but optimism is not
a strategy and is not a substitute for evidence. Thinking and saying
things are going great does not make them go great.
Being pessimistic isn't going to solve any of the problems.
Anbar and Diyala province are no longer
terrorist territory.
And the south is firmly in the hands of Shiites independent of the
government.
They're on the list.
Sure they are. That is why the British got out of the way after
declaring victory. And we certainly have enough troops to hold Anbar
and Diyala and Baghdad and move on the south and defeat the Shiites. I
am sure that Maliki will love that.
Then explain why Maliki dumped Sadr and went to Tikrit to talk to Sunni
leaders there.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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23 Aug 2007 01:43:13 PM |
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On 22 Aug 2007 23:16:01 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9994C408D6DBAfreddybear@216.151.153.47> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:ek7pc3huqh6qfd0bbp0g9t3dh1n5s4m8n2@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 20:02:03 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns9994A35D6D72Bfreddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:ir2pc35ok8t64ne9i3hsrnvfaj0hpvisap@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 18:12:24 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999490913682freddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:6nqoc316j1vfk3e34o1jiv4o0v20cjhrrh@4ax.com:
On 22 Aug 2007 16:26:04 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99947E8867F2Afreddybear@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:klgoc3lj3ja0ctg7herntb80ffr2a1ig76@4ax.com:
http://www3.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf
June-July-August 2003: 113 Americans killed
June-July-August 2004: 162 Americans killed
June-July-August 2005: 217 Americans killed
June-July-August 2006: 169 Americans killed
June-July-August 2007: 229 Americans killed so far
I never said that American GIs weren't going to be going in harm's
way, Yangie-poo. We're on the offensive.
Oops, Yangie-poos lied again.
So our deaths are up. Iraqi civilian deaths are up. What again is
the
evidence that the surge is working?
al Qaeda is on the run.
On the run or simply moving out of way of a necessarily temporary
action? Arming Sunnis had the predictable first step political
results: the Shiites are really upset.
Which Shi'ites?
Haven't you been following? Seriously, what do you want here?
I want *you* to acknowledge the factions, Matt.
Strawman: I have acknowledged them from the beginning.
Oh, and the Sunnis have left
the government. Having progress in one area is very easy if you
ignore the rest.
They've been in and out of the government all summer. Finding things
to whine about is easy if you don't care about what is working.
No, they left and did not return.
And now they're coming back in again. Or haven't you been paying
attention. It's a kabuki dance, Matt, and you're only following half the
action.
No, I have not seen that they are coming back in.
And it is not a question of what is
working, but what direction the sum total is moving. And it is moving
to separation and violence.
And then again maybe it's not.
Millions displace.
Millions have been displaced and no sense
of anyone even thinking about dealing with that. No progress has been
made on any of the deep structural problems that have been there from
the start. Instead you are cheering about small progress on one of the
problems caused by the invasion. I am sorry, Fred, but optimism is not
a strategy and is not a substitute for evidence. Thinking and saying
things are going great does not make them go great.
Being pessimistic isn't going to solve any of the problems.
That's your response? OMFG!
Anbar and Diyala province are no longer
terrorist territory.
And the south is firmly in the hands of Shiites independent of the
government.
They're on the list.
Sure they are. That is why the British got out of the way after
declaring victory. And we certainly have enough troops to hold Anbar
and Diyala and Baghdad and move on the south and defeat the Shiites. I
am sure that Maliki will love that.
Then explain why Maliki dumped Sadr and went to Tikrit to talk to Sunni
leaders there.
You sure you want to stand behind Maliki? Not exactly a safe place at
the moment. Seems like Sadr has actual power and influence, not
Maliki.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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23 Aug 2007 02:04:05 PM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:4j3rc310tj6ijalru0btrho879id8nr3m8@4ax.com:
You sure you want to stand behind Maliki? Not exactly a safe place at
the moment. Seems like Sadr has actual power and influence, not
Maliki.
You sure you want to stand anywhere near Sadr? You beed reading Eason
Jordan's rag site "Iraq Slogger" or something?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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23 Aug 2007 02:29:57 PM |
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On 23 Aug 2007 14:04:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999566B0022BEfreddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:4j3rc310tj6ijalru0btrho879id8nr3m8@4ax.com:
You sure you want to stand behind Maliki? Not exactly a safe place at
the moment. Seems like Sadr has actual power and influence, not
Maliki.
You sure you want to stand anywhere near Sadr?
I am not standing anywhere near him. I don't like him and see him as a
danger. I just don't close my eyes to inconvenient dangers.
You beed reading Eason
Jordan's rag site "Iraq Slogger" or something?
No.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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23 Aug 2007 03:02:06 PM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:dd6rc3ht3mvtetrv88t2ngm7au75flpe3f@4ax.com:
On 23 Aug 2007 14:04:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999566B0022BEfreddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:4j3rc310tj6ijalru0btrho879id8nr3m8@4ax.com:
You sure you want to stand behind Maliki? Not exactly a safe place
at the moment. Seems like Sadr has actual power and influence, not
Maliki.
You sure you want to stand anywhere near Sadr?
I am not standing anywhere near him.
You're the one claiming that he has power and influence.
I don't like him and see him as a
danger. I just don't close my eyes to inconvenient dangers.
You're confusing "public enemy" with "power and influence".
You beed reading Eason
Jordan's rag site "Iraq Slogger" or something?
No.
You sound just like him.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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23 Aug 2007 05:14:10 PM |
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In article <Xns9995704C6E032freddybear@216.151.153.46>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:dd6rc3ht3mvtetrv88t2ngm7au75flpe3f@4ax.com:
On 23 Aug 2007 14:04:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999566B0022BEfreddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:4j3rc310tj6ijalru0btrho879id8nr3m8@4ax.com:
You sure you want to stand behind Maliki? Not exactly a safe place
at the moment. Seems like Sadr has actual power and influence, not
Maliki.
You sure you want to stand anywhere near Sadr?
I am not standing anywhere near him.
You're the one claiming that he has power and influence.
Wait a goldarn minute, here. This is one of the most bizarre responses I
have seen from you, Fred, and that is saying a lot. Let's see, I don't
support George W. Bush, but I certainly know he has power and influence.
Likewise, I think Ahmadinejad of Iran is a danger, but he certainly does
have power and influence in Iraq and in much of the Middle East. The
same can be said for Chavez in Latin America. So how does admitting that
someone has power and influence supporting that person?
I don't like him and see him as a
danger. I just don't close my eyes to inconvenient dangers.
You're confusing "public enemy" with "power and influence".
OK, I was wrong. You can get more bizarre...
[snip]
--
Dave Fritzinger
Honolulu, HI
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23 Aug 2007 06:56:29 PM |
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David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> wrote in
news:dfritzin-D0B07E.07141023082007@news-server.hawaii.rr.com:
In article <Xns9995704C6E032freddybear@216.151.153.46>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:dd6rc3ht3mvtetrv88t2ngm7au75flpe3f@4ax.com:
On 23 Aug 2007 14:04:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999566B0022BEfreddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:4j3rc310tj6ijalru0btrho879id8nr3m8@4ax.com:
You sure you want to stand behind Maliki? Not exactly a safe
place at the moment. Seems like Sadr has actual power and
influence, not Maliki.
You sure you want to stand anywhere near Sadr?
I am not standing anywhere near him.
You're the one claiming that he has power and influence.
Wait a goldarn minute, here. This is one of the most bizarre responses
I have seen from you, Fred, and that is saying a lot. Let's see, I
don't support George W. Bush, but I certainly know he has power and
influence. Likewise, I think Ahmadinejad of Iran is a danger, but he
certainly does have power and influence in Iraq and in much of the
Middle East. The same can be said for Chavez in Latin America. So how
does admitting that someone has power and influence supporting that
person?
Maliki is the legitimate elected Prime Minister of Iraq. "Standing
behind" him is simply saying that Iraq has a legitimate government.
Sadr, on the other hand, is not legitimate by any standard. His "power
and influence" come strictly from the fact that he's a terrorist.
I don't like him and see him as a
danger. I just don't close my eyes to inconvenient dangers.
You're confusing "public enemy" with "power and influence".
OK, I was wrong. You can get more bizarre...
Oh, spare me. Quit trying to justify not backing the right side of the
war.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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23 Aug 2007 07:27:29 PM |
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On 23 Aug 2007 18:56:29 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns99959808C8B50freddybear@216.151.153.34> wrote:
David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> wrote in
news:dfritzin-D0B07E.07141023082007@news-server.hawaii.rr.com:
In article <Xns9995704C6E032freddybear@216.151.153.46>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:dd6rc3ht3mvtetrv88t2ngm7au75flpe3f@4ax.com:
On 23 Aug 2007 14:04:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999566B0022BEfreddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in news:4j3rc310tj6ijalru0btrho879id8nr3m8@4ax.com:
You sure you want to stand behind Maliki? Not exactly a safe
place at the moment. Seems like Sadr has actual power and
influence, not Maliki.
You sure you want to stand anywhere near Sadr?
I am not standing anywhere near him.
You're the one claiming that he has power and influence.
Wait a goldarn minute, here. This is one of the most bizarre responses
I have seen from you, Fred, and that is saying a lot. Let's see, I
don't support George W. Bush, but I certainly know he has power and
influence. Likewise, I think Ahmadinejad of Iran is a danger, but he
certainly does have power and influence in Iraq and in much of the
Middle East. The same can be said for Chavez in Latin America. So how
does admitting that someone has power and influence supporting that
person?
Maliki is the legitimate elected Prime Minister of Iraq. "Standing
behind" him is simply saying that Iraq has a legitimate government.
As I said, you seem behind the times here. Lots of efforts to get rid
of Maliki:
Sadr, on the other hand, is not legitimate by any standard. His "power
and influence" come strictly from the fact that he's a terrorist.
His power and influence comes from his ability to get Shiites to
support him and from his militia, which often engages in terrorism.
That does not mean he does not have power and influence.
I don't like him and see him as a
danger. I just don't close my eyes to inconvenient dangers.
You're confusing "public enemy" with "power and influence".
OK, I was wrong. You can get more bizarre...
Oh, spare me. Quit trying to justify not backing the right side of the
war.
Huh?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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23 Aug 2007 08:41:04 PM |
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On Aug 23, 8:56 am, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospam.mac.com> wrote innews:dfritzin-D0B07E.07141023082007@news-server.hawaii.rr.com:
In article <Xns9995704C6E032freddyb...@216.151.153.46>,
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote
innews:dd6rc3ht3mvtetrv88t2ngm7au75flpe3f@4ax.com:
On 23 Aug 2007 14:04:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fston...@earthling.com> in
<Xns999566B0022BEfreddyb...@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote
innews:4j3rc310tj6ijalru0btrho879id8nr3m8@4ax.com:
You sure you want to stand behind Maliki? Not exactly a safe
place at the moment. Seems like Sadr has actual power and
influence, not Maliki.
You sure you want to stand anywhere near Sadr?
I am not standing anywhere near him.
You're the one claiming that he has power and influence.
Wait a goldarn minute, here. This is one of the most bizarre responses
I have seen from you, Fred, and that is saying a lot. Let's see, I
don't support George W. Bush, but I certainly know he has power and
influence. Likewise, I think Ahmadinejad of Iran is a danger, but he
certainly does have power and influence in Iraq and in much of the
Middle East. The same can be said for Chavez in Latin America. So how
does admitting that someone has power and influence supporting that
person?
Maliki is the legitimate elected Prime Minister of Iraq. "Standing
behind" him is simply saying that Iraq has a legitimate government.
True, so far.
Sadr, on the other hand, is not legitimate by any standard. His "power
and influence" come strictly from the fact that he's a terrorist.
Sadr also has elected representatives in the government. Doesn't that
fact also account for his power and influence. Not to mention, Sadr's
representatives have been supporters of Maliki, which also helps to
account for his power and influence.
I don't like him and see him as a
danger. I just don't close my eyes to inconvenient dangers.
You're confusing "public enemy" with "power and influence".
OK, I was wrong. You can get more bizarre...
Oh, spare me. Quit trying to justify not backing the right side of the
war.
Matt is correct. Your response is quite bizarre. Now, would you
explain how my saying Sadr does have power and influence says I am not
supporting the "right" side (meaning the people Fred has decided, in
his great wisdom (sic)) in the war.
You really do need a reality check, Fred.
--
Dave Fritzinger
Honolulu, HI
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:14:10 -1000, in alt.atheism , David Fritzinger
<dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> in
<dfritzin-D0B07E.07141023082007@news-server.hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
In article <Xns9995704C6E032freddybear@216.151.153.46>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:dd6rc3ht3mvtetrv88t2ngm7au75flpe3f@4ax.com:
On 23 Aug 2007 14:04:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999566B0022BEfreddybear@216.151.153.44> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:4j3rc310tj6ijalru0btrho879id8nr3m8@4ax.com:
You sure you want to stand behind Maliki? Not exactly a safe place
at the moment. Seems like Sadr has actual power and influence, not
Maliki.
You sure you want to stand anywhere near Sadr?
I am not standing anywhere near him.
You're the one claiming that he has power and influence.
Wait a goldarn minute, here. This is one of the most bizarre responses I
have seen from you, Fred, and that is saying a lot. Let's see, I don't
support George W. Bush, but I certainly know he has power and influence.
Likewise, I think Ahmadinejad of Iran is a danger, but he certainly does
have power and influence in Iraq and in much of the Middle East. The
same can be said for Chavez in Latin America. So how does admitting that
someone has power and influence supporting that person?
I think Fred is claiming that somehow Sadr has no power or influence
in Iraq. Which is even more bizarre than your interpretation. Fred and
others made this big deal that Sadr has supposedly run away to Iran
because the Surge was so scary. So they can't admit that he returned
and controls a major faction in Iraq and most of the southern part of
the country.
I don't like him and see him as a
danger. I just don't close my eyes to inconvenient dangers.
You're confusing "public enemy" with "power and influence".
OK, I was wrong. You can get more bizarre...
[snip]
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Oops, Fred never claimed the Surge was going to keep Americans from getting killed |
23 Aug 2007 07:01:07 PM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:e1lrc35cs808rejgrh2c024m51u69ph963@4ax.com:
I think Fred is claiming that somehow Sadr has no power or influence
in Iraq. Which is even more bizarre than your interpretation. Fred and
others made this big deal that Sadr has supposedly run away to Iran
because the Surge was so scary. So they can't admit that he returned
and controls a major faction in Iraq and most of the southern part of
the country.
Why on earth would you want me to admit something that isn't true? Oh,
that's right, you're a librul and you'll believe anything.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Oops, Fred never claimed the Surge was going to keep Americans from getting killed |
23 Aug 2007 07:30:26 PM |
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On 23 Aug 2007 19:01:07 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns999598D3C32EEfreddybear@216.151.153.34> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:e1lrc35cs808rejgrh2c024m51u69ph963@4ax.com:
I think Fred is claiming that somehow Sadr has no power or influence
in Iraq. Which is even more bizarre than your interpretation. Fred and
others made this big deal that Sadr has supposedly run away to Iran
because the Surge was so scary. So they can't admit that he returned
and controls a major faction in Iraq and most of the southern part of
the country.
Why on earth would you want me to admit something that isn't true? Oh,
that's right, you're a librul and you'll believe anything.
Which part is not true?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Syd M." |
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| Title: Re: Oops, Fred never claimed the Surge was going to keep Americans from getting killed |
23 Aug 2007 08:02:56 PM |
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On Aug 22, 12:57 pm, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 22 Aug 2007 16:26:04 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fston...@earthling.com> in
<Xns99947E8867F2Afreddyb...@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:klgoc3lj3ja0ctg7herntb80ffr2a1ig76@4ax.com:
http://www3.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf
June-July-August 2003: 113 Americans killed
June-July-August 2004: 162 Americans killed
June-July-August 2005: 217 Americans killed
June-July-August 2006: 169 Americans killed
June-July-August 2007: 229 Americans killed so far
I never said that American GIs weren't going to be going in harm's way,
Yangie-poo. We're on the offensive.
Oops, Yangie-poos lied again.
So our deaths are up. Iraqi civilian deaths are up. What again is the
evidence that the surge is working?
More profits for Haliburten??
PDW
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Oops, Fred never claimed the Surge was going to keep Americans from getting killed |
24 Aug 2007 04:50:11 PM |
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"Syd M." <pdwright42@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1187899376.870506.222790
@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
On Aug 22, 12:57 pm, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 22 Aug 2007 16:26:04 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fston...@earthling.com> in
<Xns99947E8867F2Afreddyb...@216.151.153.66> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:klgoc3lj3ja0ctg7herntb80ffr2a1ig76@4ax.com:
http://www3.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf
June-July-August 2003: 113 Americans killed
June-July-August 2004: 162 Americans killed
June-July-August 2005: 217 Americans killed
June-July-August 2006: 169 Americans killed
June-July-August 2007: 229 Americans killed so far
I never said that American GIs weren't going to be going in harm's
way,
Yangie-poo. We're on the offensive.
Oops, Yangie-poos lied again.
So our deaths are up. Iraqi civilian deaths are up. What again is the
evidence that the surge is working?
More profits for Haliburten??
Yangie-poos are desperately trying to talk it down. That's plenty of
evidence right there.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"To abjure violence it is necessary to have no experience of it.” -
George Orwell
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