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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Chris Thompson"
Date: 15 Jul 2004 09:26:40 PM
Object: Re: OT: But Keeping In The Spirit
littleboy <allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote in
news:MPG.1b60b9289d290f7e9896ab@news.comcast.giganews.com:

Like a lot of older folks, Maryland resident Margaret Sayre enjoys
taking meals at a nearby senior center. She doesn't have to cook and
gets some social interaction at the same time.

But there was one thing about the practice that bothered Sayre: The
meals at the Brooklyn Park Senior Center open with Christian prayers
led by an attendee. Sayre says she had no problem when the meals
opened with a moment of silence, but when Christian prayers became the
norm, she wondered if that was appropriate at a government-funded
facility.

Sayre began making inquiries with local officials. She also posted
e-mail messages on a forum run by the Maryland Atheist Network,
seeking advice.

Somehow, one of these messages ended up in the hands of Del. Don Dwyer
Jr. of Glen Burnie, a member of the Maryland House of Delegates.

Infuriated, Dwyer sent a letter to Sayre.

"You state it is not fair for you, or anyone else who is not a
Christian, to have to listen to others prayers in order to have a nice
meal with other senior citizens," Dwyer wrote. "You go on to ask, 'is
there any law that would help me change this practice?' If the atheist
(sic) of Maryland want something different then I would suggest
building an atheist Senior Center where you won't have to hear any
prayers but leave my people alone."

The rest can be read here:
http://blog.au.org/2004/07/bigotry_at_lunc.html


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then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so
as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry
on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that
sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality, usually
on a battlefield." --George Orwell, 1946, "Under Your Nose"
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User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: OT: But Keeping In The Spirit 16 Jul 2004 06:53:53 AM
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:26:40 +0000 (UTC), Chris Thompson
<rockwallaby@TAKEOUTerols.com> wrote:

littleboy <allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote in
news:MPG.1b60b9289d290f7e9896ab@news.comcast.giganews.com:

Like a lot of older folks, Maryland resident Margaret Sayre enjoys
taking meals at a nearby senior center. She doesn't have to cook and
gets some social interaction at the same time.

But there was one thing about the practice that bothered Sayre: The
meals at the Brooklyn Park Senior Center open with Christian prayers
led by an attendee. Sayre says she had no problem when the meals
opened with a moment of silence, but when Christian prayers became the
norm, she wondered if that was appropriate at a government-funded
facility.

Sayre began making inquiries with local officials. She also posted
e-mail messages on a forum run by the Maryland Atheist Network,
seeking advice.

Somehow, one of these messages ended up in the hands of Del. Don Dwyer
Jr. of Glen Burnie, a member of the Maryland House of Delegates.

Infuriated, Dwyer sent a letter to Sayre.

"You state it is not fair for you, or anyone else who is not a
Christian, to have to listen to others prayers in order to have a nice
meal with other senior citizens," Dwyer wrote. "You go on to ask, 'is
there any law that would help me change this practice?' If the atheist
(sic) of Maryland want something different then I would suggest
building an atheist Senior Center where you won't have to hear any
prayers but leave my people alone."

The rest can be read here:
http://blog.au.org/2004/07/bigotry_at_lunc.html



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alt.atheism

Yes, and if you're black open your own golf-courses, schools etc.
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User: "MarkA"

Title: Re: OT: But Keeping In The Spirit 16 Jul 2004 06:47:24 AM
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:26:40 +0000, Chris Thompson wrote:

littleboy <allen.strong@comflycast.net> wrote in
news:MPG.1b60b9289d290f7e9896ab@news.comcast.giganews.com:

Like a lot of older folks, Maryland resident Margaret Sayre enjoys
taking meals at a nearby senior center. She doesn't have to cook and
gets some social interaction at the same time.

But there was one thing about the practice that bothered Sayre: The
meals at the Brooklyn Park Senior Center open with Christian prayers led
by an attendee. Sayre says she had no problem when the meals opened with
a moment of silence, but when Christian prayers became the norm, she
wondered if that was appropriate at a government-funded facility.

Sayre began making inquiries with local officials. She also posted
e-mail messages on a forum run by the Maryland Atheist Network, seeking
advice.

Somehow, one of these messages ended up in the hands of Del. Don Dwyer
Jr. of Glen Burnie, a member of the Maryland House of Delegates.

Infuriated, Dwyer sent a letter to Sayre.

"You state it is not fair for you, or anyone else who is not a
Christian, to have to listen to others prayers in order to have a nice
meal with other senior citizens," Dwyer wrote. "You go on to ask, 'is
there any law that would help me change this practice?' If the atheist
(sic) of Maryland want something different then I would suggest building
an atheist Senior Center where you won't have to hear any prayers but
leave my people alone."

The rest can be read here:
http://blog.au.org/2004/07/bigotry_at_lunc.html



Reposted to its more appropriate home, and followups directed to,
alt.atheism

It would seem that if it is a private facility, it can have whatever
prayer policy it wants. If it receives public funds, then grace before
meals should clearly be left to the individuals. Why is that so hard to
understand?
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
.


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