Religions > Atheism > Re: OT: The Iraq War Could Become The Greatest Defeat In United States' History
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Re: OT: The Iraq War Could Become The Greatest Defeat In United States' History |
On 17 Aug 2003 03:29:39 -0700, (maff) wrote:
The Iraq War Could Become The Greatest Defeat In United States'
History
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0814-01.htm
by Tom Turnipseed
The Bush/Cheney administration's military invasion of Iraq could
become the greatest military defeat in United States' history.
Wow!!!!! How is that possible? Of course, we have never lost a war,
so I guess you might be thinking of that.
U.S.
troops are being attacked daily by increasingly diverse forces in a
chaotic guerrilla war.
Wow, again!!!!! A chaotic guerrilla war. Maybe the Iraqui will
figure out it's their country, and take it over and start running it.
Since the U.S. and Britain did a preemptive
invasion of Iraq against the advice and vocal opposition of most of
the nations and peoples of the world, it presents a tremendous problem
in getting any help from those who "told us so".
It wasn't preemptive. It was in accordance with the UN resolution of
1991.
The desperation of
the U.S. military plight in Iraq was very clear when General Ricardo
Sanchez, the U.S. commander in Iraq, commented on the daily casualties
of U.S. soldiers in the guerrilla war. General Sanchez said, "Every
American needs to believe this: that if we fail here in this
environment, the next battlefield will be the streets of America."
We won't. But we sure were attacked from within on 9/11.
duke, American-American
*****
The existance of God makes perfectly good
sense based on the evidence at hand.
duke, circa 2003
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: OT: The Iraq War Could Become The Greatest Defeat In United States' History |
19 Aug 2003 03:26:37 AM |
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duke32 <duke32@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<p632kv8fspt4b9l8krin8mtm3g785qptso@4ax.com>...
On 17 Aug 2003 03:29:39 -0700, (maff) wrote:
The Iraq War Could Become The Greatest Defeat In United States'
History
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0814-01.htm
by Tom Turnipseed
The Bush/Cheney administration's military invasion of Iraq could
become the greatest military defeat in United States' history.
Wow!!!!! How is that possible? Of course, we have never lost a war,
so I guess you might be thinking of that.
But you certainly lost the Civil War, Confederate.
U.S.
troops are being attacked daily by increasingly diverse forces in a
chaotic guerrilla war.
Wow, again!!!!! A chaotic guerrilla war. Maybe the Iraqui will
figure out it's their country, and take it over and start running it.
OK. We'll turn all Confederates into Iraqi citizens. Let them fight
among each other.
Since the U.S. and Britain did a preemptive
invasion of Iraq against the advice and vocal opposition of most of
the nations and peoples of the world, it presents a tremendous problem
in getting any help from those who "told us so".
It wasn't preemptive. It was in accordance with the UN resolution of
1991.
It wasn't. UN charter doesn't allow for pre-emptive attacks.
The desperation of
the U.S. military plight in Iraq was very clear when General Ricardo
Sanchez, the U.S. commander in Iraq, commented on the daily casualties
of U.S. soldiers in the guerrilla war. General Sanchez said, "Every
American needs to believe this: that if we fail here in this
environment, the next battlefield will be the streets of America."
We won't. But we sure were attacked from within on 9/11.
You won't get away with your dastardly atatck on Fort Sumter.
duke, American-American
*****
The existance of God makes perfectly good
sense based on the evidence at hand.
duke, circa 2003
*****
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| User: "soCode" |
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| Title: Re: OT: The Iraq War Could Become The Greatest Defeat In United States'History |
18 Aug 2003 12:38:13 PM |
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duke32 wrote:
Wow!!!!! How is that possible? Of course, we have never lost a war,
so I guess you might be thinking of that.
Oh, sure. And the "police action" in Vietnam was a resounding success
too.
soCode
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| User: "duke32" |
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| Title: Re: OT: The Iraq War Could Become The Greatest Defeat In United States' History |
18 Aug 2003 04:05:33 PM |
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:38:13 +0100, soCode <news@socode.com> wrote:
duke32 wrote:
Wow!!!!! How is that possible? Of course, we have never lost a war,
so I guess you might be thinking of that.
Oh, sure. And the "police action" in Vietnam was a resounding success
too.
Oh, no, you'll never get me to say that.
Now if the 'rat Johnson (then Nixon) had released our troops to do
their thing including clearing the foliage of Cambodia, it would have
been a lot quicker and a lot cheaper.
56.000 dead Americans is nothing to smile over. And komrade LBJ was
hot on my tail to go.
However, the US did not lose that "police action". But it didn't take
long after the US troops left for it to fall.
duke, American-American
*****
The existance of God makes perfectly good
sense based on the evidence at hand.
duke, circa 2003
*****
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| User: "Mike Painter mpainteratattdotnet" |
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| Title: Re: OT: The Iraq War Could Become The Greatest Defeat In United States' History |
19 Aug 2003 11:22:00 AM |
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"duke32" <duke32@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:4jf2kvs55cl7q1e4sp0gs7k63aefpquofo@4ax.com...
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:38:13 +0100, soCode <news@socode.com> wrote:
duke32 wrote:
Wow!!!!! How is that possible? Of course, we have never lost a war,
so I guess you might be thinking of that.
Oh, sure. And the "police action" in Vietnam was a resounding success
too.
Oh, no, you'll never get me to say that.
Now if the 'rat Johnson (then Nixon) had released our troops to do
their thing including clearing the foliage of Cambodia, it would have
been a lot quicker and a lot cheaper.
56.000 dead Americans is nothing to smile over. And komrade LBJ was
hot on my tail to go.
However, the US did not lose that "police action". But it didn't take
long after the US troops left for it to fall.
So a withdrawal without meeting the stated objectives is not a loss.
That does seem to be the way you "win" arguments.
The US lost in Vietnam. They also removed from their basic army training
material what it took for a guerilla action to succeed.
They taught me and all the others drafted before the war escalated that only
with the support of the people could such an action be effective.
*Support* of the people.
And the support in Iraq is growing.
Deer hunters frequently see and shoot a deer that turns out to be a cow or a
person.
Our troops saw a rocket launcher which was TV camera.
How long before they start seeing machine guns that are loves of bread?
With Brush in command we may soon forget Vietnam and we never paid a lot of
attention to the Russian's Vietnam.
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| User: "duke32" |
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19 Aug 2003 12:54:27 PM |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:22:00 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mpainteratattdotnet>
wrote:
So a withdrawal without meeting the stated objectives is not a loss.
That does seem to be the way you "win" arguments.
What was the objective?
The US lost in Vietnam.
Why, of course, you'd think so.
Deer hunters frequently see and shoot a deer that turns out to be a cow or a
person.
How does this happen?
Our troops saw a rocket launcher which was TV camera.
How long before they start seeing machine guns that are loves of bread?
With Brush in command we may soon forget Vietnam and we never paid a lot of
attention to the Russian's Vietnam.
Not to worry, Bush will take care of you regardless of how bad you
don't want it to be true.
duke, American-American
*****
The existance of God makes perfectly good
sense based on the evidence at hand.
duke, circa 2003
*****
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| User: "Mike Painter mpainteratattdotnet" |
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| Title: Re: OT: The Iraq War Could Become The Greatest Defeat In United States' History |
20 Aug 2003 11:36:14 AM |
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"duke32" <duke32@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:22:00 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mpainteratattdotnet>
wrote:
So a withdrawal without meeting the stated objectives is not a loss.
That does seem to be the way you "win" arguments.
What was the objective?
The US lost in Vietnam.
Why, of course, you'd think so.
Notice how Duke has to say something, even if it is not an answer.
Deer hunters frequently see and shoot a deer that turns out to be a cow
or a
person.
How does this happen?
Our troops saw a rocket launcher which was TV camera.
How long before they start seeing machine guns that are loves of bread?
With Brush in command we may soon forget Vietnam and we never paid a lot
of
attention to the Russian's Vietnam.
Not to worry, Bush will take care of you regardless of how bad you
don't want it to be true.
That is exactly what a lot of us are afraid of.
duke, American-American
*****
The existance of God makes perfectly good
sense based on the evidence at hand.
duke, circa 2003
*****
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: The Iraq War Could Become The Greatest Defeat In United States' History |
22 Aug 2003 12:36:45 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:36:14 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mpainteratattdotnet>,
Message ID: <72cd37f1801a3fc3f671e5e0c18fff58@news.teranews.com> wrote
in alt.atheism;
"duke32" <duke32@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:6qo4kv8eu20l0iet4ra65q0c4susd4c9dj@4ax.com...
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:22:00 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mpainteratattdotnet>
wrote:
So a withdrawal without meeting the stated objectives is not a loss.
That does seem to be the way you "win" arguments.
What was the objective?
The US lost in Vietnam.
Why, of course, you'd think so.
Notice how Duke has to say something, even if it is not an answer.
Deer hunters frequently see and shoot a deer that turns out to be a cow
or a
person.
How does this happen?
Our troops saw a rocket launcher which was TV camera.
How long before they start seeing machine guns that are loves of bread?
With Brush in command we may soon forget Vietnam and we never paid a lot
of
attention to the Russian's Vietnam.
Not to worry, Bush will take care of you regardless of how bad you
don't want it to be true.
That is exactly what a lot of us are afraid of.
/Shrub's Storm Troopers
"You are guilty of crimes against the state."
victim: "What have I done?"
"I told you. Did you not listen? You are guilty of crimes against the
state."
victim: "B-b-b-b-b-ut what charges, a trial, having legal counsel?"
"No need for that. You are guilty of crimes against the state."
victim: "This is insane!"
"Not at all. It's efficiency. It saves resources, time, and funds this
way."
victim: "Uh....I appeal!"
"Appeal denied."
victim gasps.....
The storm trooper looks the victim straight in the eye.
"No last meal."
"No cigarette."
S/he pulls her revolver from the holster and without looking at the
weapon thumbs the hammer back. (click!)
"No last minute latrine stops."
She raises the weapon.
"No grave, either."
(A shot rings out)
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "soCode" |
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| Title: Re: OT: The Iraq War Could Become The Greatest Defeat In United States'History |
19 Aug 2003 12:33:20 PM |
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duke32 wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:38:13 +0100, soCode <news@socode.com> wrote:
duke32 wrote:
Wow!!!!! How is that possible? Of course, we have never lost a war,
so I guess you might be thinking of that.
Oh, sure. And the "police action" in Vietnam was a resounding success
too.
However, the US did not lose that "police action".
Right. So:
1) What is the difference between a "police action" and a war?
2) Whatever was the police action to achieve, and did that happen?
soCode
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| User: "duke32" |
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| Title: Re: OT: The Iraq War Could Become The Greatest Defeat In United States' History |
19 Aug 2003 12:57:17 PM |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:33:20 +0100, soCode <news@socode.com> wrote:
However, the US did not lose that "police action".
Right. So:
1) What is the difference between a "police action" and a war?
2) Whatever was the police action to achieve, and did that happen?
I'm not the one that brought it up. Uncle Sam wanted me to go, and I
called it a WAR.
As far as the intent, I believe it was likely to keep SVietnam a
democratic state protected from the Communist state. When we left, it
still was.
Then we had to go back and airlift the good guys out.
duke, American-American
*****
The existance of God makes perfectly good
sense based on the evidence at hand.
duke, circa 2003
*****
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| User: "Roy" |
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| Title: Re: OT: The Iraq War Could Become The Greatest Defeat In United States'History |
19 Aug 2003 04:17:04 AM |
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duke32 wrote:
Wow!!!!! How is that possible? Of course, we have never lost a war,
so I guess you might be thinking of that.
Whose capital got burnt in 1812?
--
Roy
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| User: "stoney" |
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19 Aug 2003 11:27:22 PM |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:17:04 +0100, Roy <rthearle@hotmail.com>, Message
ID: <3F41EB10.2090907@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
duke32 wrote:
Wow!!!!! How is that possible? Of course, we have never lost a war,
so I guess you might be thinking of that.
Whose capital got burnt in 1812?
Looks like, for Puke, Vietnam never occured.
Then again, Puke has never met reality.
"Reality, What a Concept!" -Robin Williams, iirc.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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