Religions > Atheism > Re: (OT) Why "The Passion of the Christ" Wasn't Nom'd for Best Pic
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27 Jan 2005 02:24:39 PM |
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Re: (OT) Why "The Passion of the Christ" Wasn't Nom'd for Best Pic |
"curious" <nope@nope.com> wrote in message
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/26/oscar.passion/index.html
""Hollywood has spoken. 'Don't mess with us,' is what they're saying,"
said Jennifer Giroux of seethepassion.com. " 'Don't mess with us because
we will not consider your talent if you do anything that is Christian,'
is the message that's coming out.""
Yes, I am sure that's exactly the reason why. It's an anti-Christian
bias.
Her statement makes me wonder if she herself has a little bias towards
Hollywood.
-curious
"Those people" control it, you know... *rolls eyes*
Yea, never mind the fact that the film sucked balls and Mel Gibson is a
fruit loop.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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13 Feb 2005 10:40:18 PM |
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On 13 Feb 2005 15:49:27 -0800, said in
alt.atheism:
Hmmm, late to this one.
I wrote concerning Paul, that he had first-hand witness of Christ
through the disciple Peter
That would make it second-hand information. We call that "hearsay".
Assuming that "Peter" was an actual person.
Evidence of Paul's beheading is taken from the Roman custom of *not*
crucifying Roman citizens, and Paul was a citizen of Rome.
Assuming the biblical "Paul" was an actual person.
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| User: "Rita Hansard" |
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15 Feb 2005 06:20:43 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On 13 Feb 2005 15:49:27 -0800, said in
alt.atheism:
Hmmm, late to this one.
I wrote concerning Paul, that he had first-hand witness of Christ
through the disciple Peter
That would make it second-hand information. We call that "hearsay".
Assuming that "Peter" was an actual person.
Uh, no, testimony from Peter directly to Paul was that of a first-hand
witness. You, or "we," may choose to believe. Or not. But assuredly, that is
not my problem.
Evidence of Paul's beheading is taken from the Roman custom of *not*
crucifying Roman citizens, and Paul was a citizen of Rome.
Assuming the biblical "Paul" was an actual person.
It was somehow that Christianity became the official religion of the Roman
empire before the NT was compiled, and unless you believe that Christianity
spread all by itself, it is through Paul's letters that tradition holds as
the cause.
Rita
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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15 Feb 2005 10:29:53 PM |
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"Rita Hansard" <ritahansard@numail.org> wrote in message
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On 13 Feb 2005 15:49:27 -0800, said in
alt.atheism:
Hmmm, late to this one.
I wrote concerning Paul, that he had first-hand witness of Christ
through the disciple Peter
That would make it second-hand information. We call that "hearsay".
Assuming that "Peter" was an actual person.
Uh, no, testimony from Peter directly to Paul was that of a first-hand
witness.
Really?
All actual evidence says no.
You, or "we," may choose to believe. Or not. But assuredly, that is
not my problem.
Evidence of Paul's beheading is taken from the Roman custom of *not*
crucifying Roman citizens, and Paul was a citizen of Rome.
Assuming the biblical "Paul" was an actual person.
It was somehow that Christianity became the official religion of the Roman
empire before the NT was compiled,
IOW, what we've been saying all along: the Xian Bible is not first hand
evidence of *anything*.
Susan
and unless you believe that Christianity
spread all by itself, it is through Paul's letters that tradition holds as
the cause.
Rita
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| User: "The Real Riain" |
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15 Feb 2005 11:02:41 PM |
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It's not even good fiction!
At least TANAKH can claim some of the most brilliant poetry and other
styles of writing from Ancient History!
"Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net> wrote in message
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: "Rita Hansard" <ritahansard@numail.org> wrote in message
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: > "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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: >> On 13 Feb 2005 15:49:27 -0800, said in
: >> alt.atheism:
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: >>>Hmmm, late to this one.
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: >>>I wrote concerning Paul, that he had first-hand witness of Christ
: >>>through the disciple Peter
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: >> That would make it second-hand information. We call that
"hearsay".
: >> Assuming that "Peter" was an actual person.
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: > Uh, no, testimony from Peter directly to Paul was that of a
first-hand
: > witness.
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: Really?
: All actual evidence says no.
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: You, or "we," may choose to believe. Or not. But assuredly, that is
: > not my problem.
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: >>>Evidence of Paul's beheading is taken from the Roman custom of
*not*
: >>>crucifying Roman citizens, and Paul was a citizen of Rome.
: >>
: >> Assuming the biblical "Paul" was an actual person.
: >
: > It was somehow that Christianity became the official religion of the
Roman
: > empire before the NT was compiled,
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: IOW, what we've been saying all along: the Xian Bible is not first
hand
: evidence of *anything*.
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: Susan
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: and unless you believe that Christianity
: > spread all by itself, it is through Paul's letters that tradition
holds as
: > the cause.
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: > Rita
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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16 Feb 2005 01:05:05 AM |
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:29:53 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net>
said in alt.atheism:
"Rita Hansard" <ritahansard@numail.org> wrote in message
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On 13 Feb 2005 15:49:27 -0800, said in
alt.atheism:
Hmmm, late to this one.
I wrote concerning Paul, that he had first-hand witness of Christ
through the disciple Peter
That would make it second-hand information. We call that "hearsay".
Assuming that "Peter" was an actual person.
Uh, no, testimony from Peter directly to Paul was that of a first-hand
witness.
Really?
All actual evidence says no.
No, Susan - according to the story, Peter was an eye witness.
According to the story, Red Riding Hood actually saw the wolf.
Same thing.
IOW, what we've been saying all along: the Xian Bible is not first hand
evidence of *anything*.
It couldn't be, seeing that the earliest book was written at least a
lifetime after the date of the supposed crucifixion. Something an
author would do if he were making the whole thing up.
TOTAL lack of contemporaneous mention of the biblical Jesus is just
more evidence that it's all a story.
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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16 Feb 2005 07:11:00 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:29:53 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net>
said in alt.atheism:
"Rita Hansard" <ritahansard@numail.org> wrote in message
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Uh, no, testimony from Peter directly to Paul was that of a first-hand
witness.
Really?
All actual evidence says no.
No, Susan - according to the story, Peter was an eye witness.
According to the story, Red Riding Hood actually saw the wolf.
Ohm you had me going for a second....
Same thing.
IOW, what we've been saying all along: the Xian Bible is not first hand
evidence of *anything*.
It couldn't be, seeing that the earliest book was written at least a
lifetime after the date of the supposed crucifixion. Something an
author would do if he were making the whole thing up.
TOTAL lack of contemporaneous mention of the biblical Jesus is just
more evidence that it's all a story.
It doesn;t bother me that there might have been a Jesus.
I figure there must have been *someone* on whom to base all the stories.
But what I mind most is the screaming that the Bible is proof of the Bible.
Just plain stupid.
Susan
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an unborn
fetus I would want others to use force to protect me, therefore using
force against
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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17 Feb 2005 05:55:37 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:11:00 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net>
said in alt.atheism:
It doesn;t bother me that there might have been a Jesus.
I figure there must have been *someone* on whom to base all the stories.
Oh, sure. There was probably some Essene rabbi named Yeshua who lived
around 20-30 CE. It was a pretty common name.
Even one who claimed to be King of the Jews, or the Messiah the bible
foretold. There were a lot of those back then too.
But one who cured the blind and the lame by touching them? One who
raised the dead? And in a way that no one thought to write a word
about it for 70 (at least) years?
But what I mind most is the screaming that the Bible is proof of the Bible.
Just plain stupid.
Makes as much sense as the claim that Superman is real because
Superman Comics has him on a real planet, going to real places,
fighting in a real war, etc.
Oh, wait a minute - only little kids make that claim, right? Only
little kids make the claim that the bible is proof of the bible too.
The fact that their bodies have grown up doesn't make any difference.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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18 Feb 2005 11:05:47 AM |
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 23:55:37 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Makes as much sense as the claim that Superman is real because
Superman Comics has him on a real planet, going to real places,
fighting in a real war, etc.
During my trip to New York City, I made a little use of this page
http://travel.discovery.com/destinations/unitedstates/ny/newyork/superheroes/superheroes.html
To find some of the locations I read about in Spiderman, The Avengers,
and the Fantastic Four.
I tracked down the Baxter Building (42nd at Lexington) Avengers
Mansion (890 5th Avenue) and of course The Daily Bugle (39th St and
2nd Ave)
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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18 Feb 2005 12:58:36 PM |
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:05:47 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> said in alt.atheism:
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 23:55:37 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Makes as much sense as the claim that Superman is real because
Superman Comics has him on a real planet, going to real places,
fighting in a real war, etc.
During my trip to New York City, I made a little use of this page
http://travel.discovery.com/destinations/unitedstates/ny/newyork/superheroes/superheroes.html
To find some of the locations I read about in Spiderman, The Avengers,
and the Fantastic Four.
I tracked down the Baxter Building (42nd at Lexington) Avengers
Mansion (890 5th Avenue) and of course The Daily Bugle (39th St and
2nd Ave)
I can't remember what's at the corner of 39th and 2nd irl. Otherwise,
as a resident of the city for decades, I've been to all the locations
called out at that site.
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type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his
physical death is also beyond my comprehension,...; such notions are for the fears or
absurd egoism of feeble souls."
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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18 Feb 2005 04:43:20 PM |
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:58:36 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
I tracked down the Baxter Building (42nd at Lexington) Avengers
Mansion (890 5th Avenue) and of course The Daily Bugle (39th St and
2nd Ave)
I can't remember what's at the corner of 39th and 2nd irl. Otherwise,
as a resident of the city for decades, I've been to all the locations
called out at that site.
Generic office building. But when I looked up, in my mind's eye, I
could see a certain red and blue clad wall-crawler sneaking into one
of the windows...
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Mary Hogan" |
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18 Feb 2005 11:13:13 AM |
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Why am I not surprised that the literature of choice for DB is comic
material???
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 23:55:37 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Makes as much sense as the claim that Superman is real because
Superman Comics has him on a real planet, going to real places,
fighting in a real war, etc.
During my trip to New York City, I made a little use of this page
http://travel.discovery.com/destinations/unitedstates/ny/newyork/superheroes/superheroes.html
To find some of the locations I read about in Spiderman, The Avengers,
and the Fantastic Four.
I tracked down the Baxter Building (42nd at Lexington) Avengers
Mansion (890 5th Avenue) and of course The Daily Bugle (39th St and
2nd Ave)
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
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18 Feb 2005 11:42:01 AM |
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It was accused of being anti-Semitic-it was not.It was sensitively
carefully done.TS Eliot got called anti semitic too.
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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19 Feb 2005 07:23:38 PM |
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"Homer" <iliadand@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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It was accused of being anti-Semitic-it was not.
Of course it was, especially with the inclusion of the 19th century
hate-filled "nun"s writings.
It was sensitively
carefully done.
Your are entitled to your opinion, however erroneous it may be.
TS Eliot got called anti semitic too.
Not just a strawman but a non sequitur.
Susan
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18 Feb 2005 02:26:48 PM |
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On 18 Feb 2005 09:42:01 -0800, "Homer" <iliadand@yahoo.com> wrote:
It was accused of being anti-Semitic-it was not.It was sensitively
carefully done.TS Eliot got called anti semitic too.
I think it would save time if you cited all those who haven't
been called anti-semitic. It's a much shorter list.
-Rich
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18 Feb 2005 12:13:00 PM |
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On 18 Feb 2005 09:42:01 -0800, after pondering deep
thoughts, "Homer" <iliadand@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
It was accused of being anti-Semitic-it was not.It was sensitively
carefully done.TS Eliot got called anti semitic too.
Telling the truth is never anti-Semitic.
I guess if we talk about the Holocaust, we're
anti-German. :)
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19 Feb 2005 07:24:55 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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On 18 Feb 2005 09:42:01 -0800, after pondering deep
thoughts, "Homer" <iliadand@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
It was accused of being anti-Semitic-it was not.It was sensitively
carefully done.TS Eliot got called anti semitic too.
Telling the truth is never anti-Semitic.
And this is also not just a strawman but a non-sequitur - unless we're going
to discuss how he insists on calling a lie the truth just because it's about
Jews *is*
anti-semitic.
I guess if we talk about the Holocaust, we're
anti-German. :)
It's nice to see exactly what he really thinks of Jews, however much he
tries to lie about it elsewhere.
Susan
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18 Feb 2005 04:18:54 PM |
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In article <h0cc11tcpkht49p1h0m7i9lntvvad39q3e@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
On 18 Feb 2005 09:42:01 -0800, after pondering deep
thoughts, "Homer" <iliadand@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
It was accused of being anti-Semitic-it was not.It was sensitively
carefully done.TS Eliot got called anti semitic too.
Telling the truth is never anti-Semitic.
I guess if we talk about the Holocaust, we're
anti-German. :)
The way that Pastor Frank appears to approve the purpose of the
Holocaust is more pro-Nazi than anti-German.
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01 Mar 2005 08:40:19 PM |
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Some try to deny the Holocaust or SHOAH in Hebrew
but I am fortunate to have one survivor who is an 82 woman
in my
congregation who have been interviewed on television during
the
past two years. She is quite outspoken !
I have 2 videos 3 hrs of her speaking on the experience.
Anyone interested should look for the SHOAH survivors
which should be available.
Best regards
RAYPHOS
Fax (01) 514-3724199
RayPhos@bigfoot.com
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01 Mar 2005 10:43:16 PM |
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"RAYPHOS" <RAYPHOS@BigFoot.com> wrote in message
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Some try to deny the Holocaust or SHOAH in Hebrew
but I am fortunate to have one survivor who is an 82 woman
in my
congregation who have been interviewed on television during
the
past two years. She is quite outspoken !
I have 2 videos 3 hrs of her speaking on the experience.
Anyone interested should look for the SHOAH survivors
which should be available.
You should give a copy of that tape to the Red Cross, or, better yet, to
your nearest Holcoaust Museum.
Susan
Best regards
RAYPHOS
Fax (01) 514-3724199
RayPhos@bigfoot.com
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01 Mar 2005 11:13:26 PM |
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On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 04:43:16 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net>
wrote:
"RAYPHOS" <RAYPHOS@BigFoot.com> wrote in message
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Some try to deny the Holocaust or SHOAH in Hebrew
but I am fortunate to have one survivor who is an 82 woman
in my
congregation who have been interviewed on television during
the
past two years. She is quite outspoken !
I have 2 videos 3 hrs of her speaking on the experience.
Anyone interested should look for the SHOAH survivors
which should be available.
You should give a copy of that tape to the Red Cross, or, better yet, to
your nearest Holcoaust Museum.
Susan
Wasn't someone running a project to interview
as many survivors as possible in order to archive
the testimonials? I remember hearing about it
a couple year back.
-Rich
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01 Mar 2005 11:36:54 PM |
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"RichA" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 04:43:16 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net>
wrote:
"RAYPHOS" <RAYPHOS@BigFoot.com> wrote in message
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Some try to deny the Holocaust or SHOAH in Hebrew
but I am fortunate to have one survivor who is an 82 woman
in my
congregation who have been interviewed on television during
the
past two years. She is quite outspoken !
I have 2 videos 3 hrs of her speaking on the experience.
Anyone interested should look for the SHOAH survivors
which should be available.
You should give a copy of that tape to the Red Cross, or, better yet, to
your nearest Holcoaust Museum.
Susan
Wasn't someone running a project to interview
as many survivors as possible in order to archive
the testimonials? I remember hearing about it
a couple year back.
-Rich
Steven Spielberg.
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02 Mar 2005 07:23:34 PM |
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"AKA" <fallon@das.com> wrote in message
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"RichA" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 04:43:16 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net>
wrote:
"RAYPHOS" <RAYPHOS@BigFoot.com> wrote in message
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Some try to deny the Holocaust or SHOAH in Hebrew
but I am fortunate to have one survivor who is an 82 woman
in my
congregation who have been interviewed on television during
the
past two years. She is quite outspoken !
I have 2 videos 3 hrs of her speaking on the experience.
Anyone interested should look for the SHOAH survivors
which should be available.
You should give a copy of that tape to the Red Cross, or, better yet, to
your nearest Holcoaust Museum.
Susan
Wasn't someone running a project to interview
as many survivors as possible in order to archive
the testimonials? I remember hearing about it
a couple year back.
-Rich
Steven Spielberg.
The Red Cross as well, FWIU.
Susan
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03 Mar 2005 10:34:46 PM |
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TO <fallon@das.com>
Yes, Steven Spielberg. Thank you for correcting the name !
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Best regards
RAYPHOS
Fax (01) 514-3724199
RayPhos@bigfoot.com
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03 Mar 2005 10:33:12 PM |
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TO "Susan Cohen"
In the days of Moses, the "Cohen" were the priests who
kept the books of the law and regulations, if I am correct?
SHOAH VIDEOS
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The first SHOAH video was created by Stephen Steelberg, if I
didn't butcher his name. This should be available in any
religious center as there are over a hundred videos of the
survivors who ware alive today.
Second video - I helped this lady to make a clear SP copy
from her Master just last Thursday. She is sending it to
Israel herself. I am not Jewish, so I do not have details
or understand to whom she is sending it.
The video showed her speaking to non-Jewish Christians
explaining how the Nazis came into the Polish hospitals and
tortured the patients who (in her ward) had steel rods in
their limbs, throwing them to the floor and kicking them
while they sang a hymn. The impression was that these
patients in her ward were the only patients who remained
alive after the Nazis left the hospital. She briefly
described the horrible screaming of babies, women and men
alike before they died.
The Jewish people are very well received because of their
hidden warmth and humour.
Best regards
RAYPHOS
Fax (01) 514-3724199
RayPhos@bigfoot.com
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03 Mar 2005 10:53:04 PM |
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"RAYPHOS" <RAYPHOS@BigFoot.com> wrote in message
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TO "Susan Cohen"
In the days of Moses, the "Cohen" were the priests who
kept the books of the law and regulations, if I am correct?
In the days of Moses, MOSES kept them - so I suppose you could be right. :-)
SHOAH VIDEOS
===============
The first SHOAH video was created by Stephen Steelberg, if I
didn't butcher his name.
I see that you mean a specific type of video, and not just documentaries
about the holocaust.
Susan
This should be available in any
religious center as there are over a hundred videos of the
survivors who ware alive today.
Second video - I helped this lady to make a clear SP copy
from her Master just last Thursday. She is sending it to
Israel herself. I am not Jewish, so I do not have details
or understand to whom she is sending it.
The video showed her speaking to non-Jewish Christians
explaining how the Nazis came into the Polish hospitals and
tortured the patients who (in her ward) had steel rods in
their limbs, throwing them to the floor and kicking them
while they sang a hymn. The impression was that these
patients in her ward were the only patients who remained
alive after the Nazis left the hospital. She briefly
described the horrible screaming of babies, women and men
alike before they died.
The Jewish people are very well received because of their
hidden warmth and humour.
Best regards
RAYPHOS
Fax (01) 514-3724199
RayPhos@bigfoot.com
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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18 Feb 2005 04:41:26 PM |
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:13:13 -0500, "Mary Hogan"
<hoogy@zoominternet.net> drained his beer, leaned back in the
alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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During my trip to New York City, I made a little use of this page
http://travel.discovery.com/destinations/unitedstates/ny/newyork/superheroes/superheroes.html
To find some of the locations I read about in Spiderman, The Avengers,
and the Fantastic Four.
I tracked down the Baxter Building (42nd at Lexington) Avengers
Mansion (890 5th Avenue) and of course The Daily Bugle (39th St and
2nd Ave)
Why am I not surprised that the literature of choice for DB is comic
material???
I read them when I was a kid, and still read them from time to time to
help with my game design work. So, among the other things I looked
for in NYC, I tracked down a few sites from the lit of my youth.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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18 Feb 2005 12:59:11 PM |
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:13:13 -0500, "Mary Hogan"
<hoogy@zoominternet.net> said in alt.atheism:
Why am I not surprised that the literature of choice for DB is comic
material???
Why is no one surprised that your literature of choice is fantasy?
Very old, badly written fantasy, at that.
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds
are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her
tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the
existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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| User: "stoney" |
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19 Feb 2005 12:51:49 PM |
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:13:13 -0500, "Mary Hogan"
<hoogy@zoominternet.net> wrote:
Why am I not surprised that the literature of choice for DB is comic
material???
Congradulations on demonstrating your total lack of education,
courage, or honesty. Typical Christian brand 'morality.'
Free clue, oh brainless broodmare, those comic books are far superior
as regards reality and morality than the cesspool you swallow.
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 23:55:37 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Makes as much sense as the claim that Superman is real because
Superman Comics has him on a real planet, going to real places,
fighting in a real war, etc.
During my trip to New York City, I made a little use of this page
http://travel.discovery.com/destinations/unitedstates/ny/newyork/superheroes/superheroes.html
To find some of the locations I read about in Spiderman, The Avengers,
and the Fantastic Four.
I tracked down the Baxter Building (42nd at Lexington) Avengers
Mansion (890 5th Avenue) and of course The Daily Bugle (39th St and
2nd Ave)
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "The Real Riain" |
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17 Feb 2005 09:14:32 PM |
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WOT???????????????
SUPERMAN ISN'T REAL??????????????
Then just who in the hell is this guy in my bed named Clark Kent??????
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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: On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:11:00 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net>
: said in alt.atheism:
:
: >It doesn;t bother me that there might have been a Jesus.
: >I figure there must have been *someone* on whom to base all the
stories.
:
: Oh, sure. There was probably some Essene rabbi named Yeshua who lived
: around 20-30 CE. It was a pretty common name.
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: Even one who claimed to be King of the Jews, or the Messiah the bible
: foretold. There were a lot of those back then too.
:
: But one who cured the blind and the lame by touching them? One who
: raised the dead? And in a way that no one thought to write a word
: about it for 70 (at least) years?
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: >But what I mind most is the screaming that the Bible is proof of the
Bible.
: >Just plain stupid.
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: Makes as much sense as the claim that Superman is real because
: Superman Comics has him on a real planet, going to real places,
: fighting in a real war, etc.
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: Oh, wait a minute - only little kids make that claim, right? Only
: little kids make the claim that the bible is proof of the bible too.
: The fact that their bodies have grown up doesn't make any difference.
: --
: rukbat at verizon dot net
: "He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned
my
: contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him,
the
: spinal cord would fully suffice."
: - Albert Einstein
: (random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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17 Feb 2005 09:24:54 AM |
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:11:00 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net>
wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:29:53 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net>
said in alt.atheism:
"Rita Hansard" <ritahansard@numail.org> wrote in message
news:cuu3kp$g10$0@pita.alt.net...
Uh, no, testimony from Peter directly to Paul was that of a first-hand
witness.
Really?
All actual evidence says no.
No, Susan - according to the story, Peter was an eye witness.
According to the story, Red Riding Hood actually saw the wolf.
Ohm you had me going for a second....
Same thing.
IOW, what we've been saying all along: the Xian Bible is not first hand
evidence of *anything*.
It couldn't be, seeing that the earliest book was written at least a
lifetime after the date of the supposed crucifixion. Something an
author would do if he were making the whole thing up.
TOTAL lack of contemporaneous mention of the biblical Jesus is just
more evidence that it's all a story.
It doesn;t bother me that there might have been a Jesus.
I figure there must have been *someone* on whom to base all the stories.
But what I mind most is the screaming that the Bible is proof of the Bible.
Just plain stupid.
Of course it is. Its the same mental level and tactics very young
children use concerning Santa Claus.
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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