Religions > Atheism > Re: (OT) Why "The Passion of the Christ" Wasn't Nom'd for Best Pic
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27 Jan 2005 02:24:39 PM |
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Re: (OT) Why "The Passion of the Christ" Wasn't Nom'd for Best Pic |
"curious" <nope@nope.com> wrote in message
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/26/oscar.passion/index.html
""Hollywood has spoken. 'Don't mess with us,' is what they're saying,"
said Jennifer Giroux of seethepassion.com. " 'Don't mess with us because
we will not consider your talent if you do anything that is Christian,'
is the message that's coming out.""
Yes, I am sure that's exactly the reason why. It's an anti-Christian
bias.
Her statement makes me wonder if she herself has a little bias towards
Hollywood.
-curious
"Those people" control it, you know... *rolls eyes*
Yea, never mind the fact that the film sucked balls and Mel Gibson is a
fruit loop.
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24 Feb 2005 02:06:47 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:52:43 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net>
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:45:05 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net>
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There's also the "documents as history" and "artifacts as history" school
of thought....
Both are, of course, history. Would you expound a bit on both?
Documents: what people wrote/said to each other. Laws are *really* great
documents (lawbooks, I suppose being the actual physical documents) for
getting the measure of a society at one end - letters are terrific for the
other end - macro/microcosms.
Artifacts. Well, a great way to open the discussion would be to say "What
does your trashcan say about you?" Do you have beer cans, pizza delivery
cartons and Hustler magazine? Or do you have wine bottles, t-bone...bones &
the Wall Street Journal? Or do you have absolutely no recyclables in your
trash can? Or do you have nothing but Lean Cuisine cartons and liquid meal
erplacement cans? Now extrapolate this to the neighborhood - or, better yet,
average it to the state, or the whole coast, and you can get a picture of
what type of society you were living in. Then factor in all the other
detritus - tv's, cell-phones, cd-cases (as opposed to celluloid
radios/phonograph records/candlestick phones) or Barbies, Gameboys and "Leap
Frog" pads as opposed to jacks, jumpropes and primers. This can tell you the
time period you're looking at.
Ok, you were using it in a straight-forward way. For some reason when
quotes are used like that I get the impression there's something that
doesn't meet the eye.
In one high school class we were to analyze bits the instrucor brought
in. We were 'archaeologists' who found items in the treasure trove of
a rubbish pit. It was quite astonishing what we were able to discern.
BTW, I figure you may have actualkly heard the term "garbologist...."?
Oh, yes.
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24 Feb 2005 02:20:01 PM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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Ok, you were using it in a straight-forward way. For some reason when
quotes are used like that I get the impression there's something that
doesn't meet the eye.
Oh, sorry.
I use quotes to isolate terms within a sentence as well.
Susan
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22 Feb 2005 10:41:53 AM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:52:37 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net>
wrote:
If I may ask, what area of specialty?
Most specifically, 19th Century European American Women's Historiography
:-)
But luckily the principles are the same for the entire field.
Thank you for the reply. Yes, the principles still remain the same.
Based on your reply (obviously) I bounced around the net a bit and
found all sorts of interesting stuff.
http://eserver.org/
http://eserver.org/history/
http://eserver.org/history/medieval-pollution.txt
"of the detractors [of mining] that the fields are devastated by
mining operations, for which reason formerly Italians were warned by
law that no one should dig the earth for metals and so injure their
very fertile fields, their vine yards, and their olive groves. Also
they argue that the woods and groves are cut down, for there is a need
for an endless amount of wood for timbers, machines, and the smelting
of metals. And when the woods and groves are felled, then are
exterminated the beasts and birds, very many of which furnish a
pleasant and agreeable food for man. Further, when the ores are
washed, the water which has been used poisons the brooks and streams,
and either destroys the fish or drives them away. Therefore the
inhabitants of these regions, on account of the devastation of their
fields,woods, groves, brooks and rivers, find great difficulty in
procuring the necessaries of life, and by reason of the destruction of
the timber they are forced to greater expense in erecting buildings."
This statement is important for two reasons: first, medieval Italians
clearly understood that economic activities and industrial production
were interdependent and produced a significant impact upon the
environment; and, second, the law was used to regulate those
activities to protect the community's environment, resource base, and
quality of life.
/end excerpt
This reminds me of the Elizabethan diatribe against smoking which clearly
outlines that they knew the dangers BACK THEN: the addictive quality as well
as the threat to health.
Just wish I had a copy of it - well, it's time to go looking....
Susan
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23 Feb 2005 11:27:38 AM |
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:41:53 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net>
wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:52:37 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net>
wrote:
If I may ask, what area of specialty?
Most specifically, 19th Century European American Women's Historiography
:-)
But luckily the principles are the same for the entire field.
Thank you for the reply. Yes, the principles still remain the same.
Based on your reply (obviously) I bounced around the net a bit and
found all sorts of interesting stuff.
http://eserver.org/
http://eserver.org/history/
http://eserver.org/history/medieval-pollution.txt
"of the detractors [of mining] that the fields are devastated by
mining operations, for which reason formerly Italians were warned by
law that no one should dig the earth for metals and so injure their
very fertile fields, their vine yards, and their olive groves. Also
they argue that the woods and groves are cut down, for there is a need
for an endless amount of wood for timbers, machines, and the smelting
of metals. And when the woods and groves are felled, then are
exterminated the beasts and birds, very many of which furnish a
pleasant and agreeable food for man. Further, when the ores are
washed, the water which has been used poisons the brooks and streams,
and either destroys the fish or drives them away. Therefore the
inhabitants of these regions, on account of the devastation of their
fields,woods, groves, brooks and rivers, find great difficulty in
procuring the necessaries of life, and by reason of the destruction of
the timber they are forced to greater expense in erecting buildings."
This statement is important for two reasons: first, medieval Italians
clearly understood that economic activities and industrial production
were interdependent and produced a significant impact upon the
environment; and, second, the law was used to regulate those
activities to protect the community's environment, resource base, and
quality of life.
/end excerpt
This reminds me of the Elizabethan diatribe against smoking which clearly
outlines that they knew the dangers BACK THEN: the addictive quality as well
as the threat to health.
That isn't a surprise, although its not a subject I've thought about.
Just wish I had a copy of it - well, it's time to go looking....
Susan
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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20 Feb 2005 06:05:34 PM |
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Susan Cohen wrote:
"Rita Hansard" <ritahansard@numail.org> wrote in message
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Um, concerning the "objective evidence," of which you asked, I've not seen
an acknowledgement from Susan that the epistles are real.
& you never will, because I am a historian.
I'm a bit confused as to what you mean here. Obviously the epistles are
real in that they exist, so I assume you have another meaning
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20 Feb 2005 07:09:53 PM |
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"Ash" <ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Susan Cohen wrote:
"Rita Hansard" <ritahansard@numail.org> wrote in message
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Um, concerning the "objective evidence," of which you asked, I've not
seen an acknowledgement from Susan that the epistles are real.
& you never will, because I am a historian.
I'm a bit confused as to what you mean here. Obviously the epistles are
real in that they exist, so I assume you have another meaning
Ah, yes. Now I understand.
You will not see me saying that they are concurrent with the events they
depict.
When dealing with Rita & her unique definitions of words, I want to be very
careful what I agree is "real".
Susan
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20 Feb 2005 07:32:08 PM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Ash" <ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Susan Cohen wrote:
"Rita Hansard" <ritahansard@numail.org> wrote in message
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Um, concerning the "objective evidence," of which you asked, I've not
seen an acknowledgement from Susan that the epistles are real.
& you never will, because I am a historian.
I'm a bit confused as to what you mean here. Obviously the epistles are
real in that they exist, so I assume you have another meaning
Ah, yes. Now I understand.
You will not see me saying that they are concurrent with the events they
depict.
When dealing with Rita & her unique definitions of words, I want to be
very careful what I agree is "real".
Okay, historian Susan, who wrote the letters attributed to Paul?
Rita
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20 Feb 2005 09:21:12 PM |
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"Rita Hansard" <ritahansard@numail.org> wrote in message
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"Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Ash" <ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Susan Cohen wrote:
"Rita Hansard" <ritahansard@numail.org> wrote in message
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Um, concerning the "objective evidence," of which you asked, I've not
seen an acknowledgement from Susan that the epistles are real.
& you never will, because I am a historian.
I'm a bit confused as to what you mean here. Obviously the epistles are
real in that they exist, so I assume you have another meaning
Ah, yes. Now I understand.
You will not see me saying that they are concurrent with the events they
depict.
When dealing with Rita & her unique definitions of words, I want to be
very careful what I agree is "real".
Okay, historian Susan, who wrote the letters attributed to Paul?
Someone who wanted to fool people like you.
& I bet you think that was a really tough, important question, too.
Susan
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20 Feb 2005 09:48:13 PM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Rita Hansard" <ritahansard@numail.org> wrote in message
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"Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Ash" <ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Susan Cohen wrote:
"Rita Hansard" <ritahansard@numail.org> wrote in message
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Um, concerning the "objective evidence," of which you asked, I've not
seen an acknowledgement from Susan that the epistles are real.
& you never will, because I am a historian.
I'm a bit confused as to what you mean here. Obviously the epistles
are real in that they exist, so I assume you have another meaning
Ah, yes. Now I understand.
You will not see me saying that they are concurrent with the events they
depict.
When dealing with Rita & her unique definitions of words, I want to be
very careful what I agree is "real".
Okay, historian Susan, who wrote the letters attributed to Paul?
Someone who wanted to fool people like you.
& I bet you think that was a really tough, important question, too.
I suppose since you can't offer evidence to the contrary that letters have
been attributed to someone named "Paul," and are "real," I'll have to
consign you to the "historian" blubbering group.
In the killfile you go, dear.
Rita
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21 Feb 2005 04:41:56 PM |
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"Rita Hansard" <ritahansard@numail.org> wrote in message
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"Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Rita Hansard" <ritahansard@numail.org> wrote in message
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"Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Ash" <ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Susan Cohen wrote:
"Rita Hansard" <ritahansard@numail.org> wrote in message
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Um, concerning the "objective evidence," of which you asked, I've not
seen an acknowledgement from Susan that the epistles are real.
& you never will, because I am a historian.
I'm a bit confused as to what you mean here. Obviously the epistles
are real in that they exist, so I assume you have another meaning
Ah, yes. Now I understand.
You will not see me saying that they are concurrent with the events
they depict.
When dealing with Rita & her unique definitions of words, I want to be
very careful what I agree is "real".
Okay, historian Susan, who wrote the letters attributed to Paul?
Someone who wanted to fool people like you.
& I bet you think that was a really tough, important question, too.
I suppose since you can't offer evidence to the contrary that letters have
been attributed to someone named "Paul," and are "real,"
Good grief.
What an IDIOT you are!
Only someone who refuses to udnerstand *what* the "burden of proof" is, much
less *were* it belongs, could be stupid enough to insist on somone
disproving a negative the way you do. Or is it just evidence of how *deep*
your denial is?
I'll have to
consign you to the "historian" blubbering group.
Which must be a signal honor, coming from someone to whom up is down & black
is white.
In the killfile you go, dear.
Ah, I see - cowardice finally wins out.
Tuck your head under your pillow,. sweetie - that makes the monsters go
away.
Susan
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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21 Feb 2005 11:17:03 AM |
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:48:13 -0500, "Rita Hansard"
<ritahansard@numail.org> said in alt.atheism:
I suppose since you can't offer evidence to the contrary that letters have
been attributed to someone named "Paul,"
Rita, honey, learn something. This is usenet. If you make a claim,
it's *YOUR* responsibility to back it up with something more than your
assertions. No one has to disprove your assertion.
If you want to play "Bible Study" do it in your church - no one in
usenet, in a non-Christian newsgroup, is interested.
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"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."
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21 Feb 2005 04:46:29 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:48:13 -0500, "Rita Hansard"
<ritahansard@numail.org> said in alt.atheism:
I suppose since you can't offer evidence to the contrary that letters have
been attributed to someone named "Paul,"
Rita, honey, learn something. This is usenet. If you make a claim,
it's *YOUR* responsibility to back it up with something more than your
assertions. No one has to disprove your assertion.
Uh-oh, now she's going to call *you* a "blubbering historian."
(The scariest thing is that she's allowed to drive a car, & vote).
Susan
If you want to play "Bible Study" do it in your church - no one in
usenet, in a non-Christian newsgroup, is interested.
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever
conceived."
- Isaac Asimov
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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22 Feb 2005 09:18:02 AM |
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:46:29 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net>
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:48:13 -0500, "Rita Hansard"
<ritahansard@numail.org> said in alt.atheism:
I suppose since you can't offer evidence to the contrary that letters have
been attributed to someone named "Paul,"
Rita, honey, learn something. This is usenet. If you make a claim,
it's *YOUR* responsibility to back it up with something more than your
assertions. No one has to disprove your assertion.
Uh-oh, now she's going to call *you* a "blubbering historian."
(The scariest thing is that she's allowed to drive a car, & vote).
Disagree. The scariest thing is she's encouraged to have lots of
litters.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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20 Feb 2005 10:24:41 PM |
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The Time Has Come, Rita Hansard said
To Talk Of Many Things...
"Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Rita Hansard" <ritahansard@numail.org> wrote in message
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"Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Ash" <ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Susan Cohen wrote:
"Rita Hansard" <ritahansard@numail.org> wrote in message
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Um, concerning the "objective evidence," of which you asked, I've not
seen an acknowledgement from Susan that the epistles are real.
& you never will, because I am a historian.
I'm a bit confused as to what you mean here. Obviously the epistles
are real in that they exist, so I assume you have another meaning
Ah, yes. Now I understand.
You will not see me saying that they are concurrent with the events they
depict.
When dealing with Rita & her unique definitions of words, I want to be
very careful what I agree is "real".
Okay, historian Susan, who wrote the letters attributed to Paul?
Someone who wanted to fool people like you.
& I bet you think that was a really tough, important question, too.
I suppose since you can't offer evidence to the contrary that letters have
been attributed to someone named "Paul," and are "real," I'll have to
consign you to the "historian" blubbering group.
In the killfile you go, dear.
Holey Moley, that sure took long enough! Susie went into my killfile 20
posts ago. She's been playing you like a ukelele.
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21 Feb 2005 04:39:05 PM |
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"Captain Infinity" <Infinity@world.std.com> wrote in message
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Holey Moley, that sure took long enough! Susie went into my killfile 20
posts ago.
Truth hurts you, too, huh?
She's been playing you like a ukelele.
Oh, is that what you bozos call "pointing out the obvious"??
Susan
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20 Feb 2005 11:48:14 PM |
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"Captain Infinity" <Infinity@world.std.com> wrote in message
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The Time Has Come, Rita Hansard said
To Talk Of Many Things...
"Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Rita Hansard" <ritahansard@numail.org> wrote in message
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"Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Ash" <ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Susan Cohen wrote:
"Rita Hansard" <ritahansard@numail.org> wrote in message
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Um, concerning the "objective evidence," of which you asked, I've
not
seen an acknowledgement from Susan that the epistles are real.
& you never will, because I am a historian.
I'm a bit confused as to what you mean here. Obviously the epistles
are real in that they exist, so I assume you have another meaning
Ah, yes. Now I understand.
You will not see me saying that they are concurrent with the events
they
depict.
When dealing with Rita & her unique definitions of words, I want to be
very careful what I agree is "real".
Okay, historian Susan, who wrote the letters attributed to Paul?
Someone who wanted to fool people like you.
& I bet you think that was a really tough, important question, too.
I suppose since you can't offer evidence to the contrary that letters have
been attributed to someone named "Paul," and are "real," I'll have to
consign you to the "historian" blubbering group.
In the killfile you go, dear.
Holey Moley, that sure took long enough! Susie went into my killfile 20
posts ago. She's been playing you like a ukelele.
Well, sometimes trolls provide more entertainment than he who dispenses worm
jokes.
Rita
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21 Feb 2005 03:38:52 AM |
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Rita Hansard wrote:
"Captain Infinity" <Infinity@world.std.com> wrote in message
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The Time Has Come, Rita Hansard said
To Talk Of Many Things...
"Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Rita Hansard" <ritahansard@numail.org> wrote in message
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"Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Ash" <ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Susan Cohen wrote:
"Rita Hansard" <ritahansard@numail.org> wrote in message
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Um, concerning the "objective evidence," of which you asked, I've
not
seen an acknowledgement from Susan that the epistles are real.
& you never will, because I am a historian.
I'm a bit confused as to what you mean here. Obviously the epistles
are real in that they exist, so I assume you have another meaning
Ah, yes. Now I understand.
You will not see me saying that they are concurrent with the events
they
depict.
When dealing with Rita & her unique definitions of words, I want to be
very careful what I agree is "real".
Okay, historian Susan, who wrote the letters attributed to Paul?
Someone who wanted to fool people like you.
& I bet you think that was a really tough, important question, too.
I suppose since you can't offer evidence to the contrary that letters have
been attributed to someone named "Paul," and are "real," I'll have to
consign you to the "historian" blubbering group.
In the killfile you go, dear.
Holey Moley, that sure took long enough! Susie went into my killfile 20
posts ago. She's been playing you like a ukelele.
Well, sometimes trolls provide more entertainment than he who dispenses worm
jokes.
I imagine that is why she has being replying.
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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21 Feb 2005 04:45:04 PM |
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"Ash" <ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Rita Hansard wrote:
"Captain Infinity" <Infinity@world.std.com> wrote in message
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The Time Has Come, Rita Hansard said
To Talk Of Many Things...
[snip Rita's admission of cowardice]
Holey Moley, that sure took long enough! Susie
Why is it that they are always sexist, too?
went into my killfile 20
posts ago. She's been playing you like a ukelele.
Well, sometimes trolls provide more entertainment than he who dispenses
worm jokes.
I imagine that is why she has being replying.
No, I am just highly attached to the truth.
The only troll here is this Captain moron.
Rita is a genuine idiot who actually believes the backwards stuff she's been
spewing.
Oh, & just to cut off any more lie: I have no problem with anyone believing
anything they want, religiously speaking. But when they want to insist that
their religion is The Truth (tm), but refuse to show any verification for
this statement whatsoever, they *are* going to get called on it.
Susan
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| User: "stoney" |
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22 Feb 2005 09:16:50 AM |
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:45:04 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net>
wrote:
"Ash" <ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Rita Hansard wrote:
"Captain Infinity" <Infinity@world.std.com> wrote in message
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The Time Has Come, Rita Hansard said
To Talk Of Many Things...
[snip Rita's admission of cowardice]
Holey Moley, that sure took long enough! Susie
Why is it that they are always sexist, too?
went into my killfile 20
posts ago. She's been playing you like a ukelele.
Well, sometimes trolls provide more entertainment than he who dispenses
worm jokes.
I imagine that is why she has being replying.
No, I am just highly attached to the truth.
The only troll here is this Captain moron.
Rita is a genuine idiot who actually believes the backwards stuff she's been
spewing.
Oh, & just to cut off any more lie: I have no problem with anyone believing
anything they want, religiously speaking. But when they want to insist that
their religion is The Truth (tm), but refuse to show any verification for
this statement whatsoever, they *are* going to get called on it.
That's the general course set by the denizens in alt.ath., too.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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22 Feb 2005 10:32:09 AM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:45:04 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net>
wrote:
Oh, & just to cut off any more lie: I have no problem with anyone
believing
anything they want, religiously speaking. But when they want to insist
that
their religion is The Truth (tm), but refuse to show any verification for
this statement whatsoever, they *are* going to get called on it.
That's the general course set by the denizens in alt.ath., too.
So I've noticed.
Susan
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "stoney" |
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23 Feb 2005 11:19:38 AM |
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:32:09 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net>
wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:45:04 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net>
wrote:
Oh, & just to cut off any more lie: I have no problem with anyone
believing
anything they want, religiously speaking. But when they want to insist
that
their religion is The Truth (tm), but refuse to show any verification for
this statement whatsoever, they *are* going to get called on it.
That's the general course set by the denizens in alt.ath., too.
So I've noticed.
( chuckling )
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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22 Feb 2005 09:21:52 AM |
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:16:50 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[Susan said...]
No, I am just highly attached to the truth.
The only troll here is this Captain moron.
Rita is a genuine idiot who actually believes the backwards stuff she's been
spewing.
Are you sure? Nobody could be that stupid.
Oh, & just to cut off any more lie: I have no problem with anyone believing
anything they want, religiously speaking. But when they want to insist that
their religion is The Truth (tm), but refuse to show any verification for
this statement whatsoever, they *are* going to get called on it.
That's the general course set by the denizens in alt.ath., too.
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| User: "Captain Infinity" |
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21 Feb 2005 10:12:02 AM |
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The Time Has Come, Rita Hansard said
To Talk Of Many Things...
In the killfile you go, dear.
Holey Moley, that sure took long enough! Susie went into my killfile 20
posts ago. She's been playing you like a ukelele.
Well, sometimes trolls provide more entertainment than he who dispenses worm
jokes.
It was a "bait" joke, and the joke was on you. Which explains your
irritation, I believe.
**
Captain Infinity
..."Trolls can smell the rainbows, trolls can smell the stars.
Trolls can smell the dreams you dreamed before you were ever born.
Come close to me and I'll eat your life."
--Neil Gaiman, "Troll-Bridge"
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| User: "Rita Hansard" |
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21 Feb 2005 10:39:28 AM |
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"Captain Infinity" <Infinity@world.std.com> wrote in message
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The Time Has Come, Rita Hansard said
To Talk Of Many Things...
In the killfile you go, dear.
Holey Moley, that sure took long enough! Susie went into my killfile 20
posts ago. She's been playing you like a ukelele.
Well, sometimes trolls provide more entertainment than he who dispenses
worm
jokes.
It was a "bait" joke, and the joke was on you. Which explains your
irritation, I believe.
Oh, Capt'n, I'm not irritated. I've merely been away from the trolls of
Usenet long enough so as to not immediately recogonize it. I commend you for
your being able to spot it and make bait jokes, or whatever you're doing.
The conversation was, however, at one point serious, so if you don't mind,
I'll return to that and leave the silliness of trolls and knowers of trolls
to you.
Rita
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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21 Feb 2005 01:06:21 AM |
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:32:08 -0500, "Rita Hansard"
<ritahansard@numail.org> said in alt.atheism:
Okay, historian Susan, who wrote the letters attributed to Paul?
There's no evidence, so the only conclusion we can draw is that
someone did. He may have been named "Paul", he may have had some
other name. But the letters aren't "objective evidence" that what's
in them is true.
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so
long as I'm the dictator."
- G W Bush (Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000)
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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21 Feb 2005 04:47:29 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:32:08 -0500, "Rita Hansard"
<ritahansard@numail.org> said in alt.atheism:
Okay, historian Susan, who wrote the letters attributed to Paul?
There's no evidence, so the only conclusion we can draw is that
someone did. He may have been named "Paul", he may have had some
other name. But the letters aren't "objective evidence" that what's
in them is true.
& they aren't "objective evidence" that the person who wrote them is the
"Paul" she wants to believe it is.
Susan
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21 Feb 2005 07:26:23 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:47:29 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net>
said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:32:08 -0500, "Rita Hansard"
<ritahansard@numail.org> said in alt.atheism:
Okay, historian Susan, who wrote the letters attributed to Paul?
There's no evidence, so the only conclusion we can draw is that
someone did. He may have been named "Paul", he may have had some
other name. But the letters aren't "objective evidence" that what's
in them is true.
& they aren't "objective evidence" that the person who wrote them is the
"Paul" she wants to believe it is.
There's no objective evidence that the "Paul" in the bible ever
existed.
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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21 Feb 2005 09:44:46 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:47:29 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net>
said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:32:08 -0500, "Rita Hansard"
<ritahansard@numail.org> said in alt.atheism:
Okay, historian Susan, who wrote the letters attributed to Paul?
There's no evidence, so the only conclusion we can draw is that
someone did. He may have been named "Paul", he may have had some
other name. But the letters aren't "objective evidence" that what's
in them is true.
& they aren't "objective evidence" that the person who wrote them is the
"Paul" she wants to believe it is.
There's no objective evidence that the "Paul" in the bible ever
existed.
Well, that's a different way of saying what I said :-)
Susan
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious
mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not
an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is
magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
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21 Feb 2005 04:13:51 AM |
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Perhaps 50% of the letters were actually written by Paul, the others
were written by various "churches" in the 2nd century.
"Rita Hansard" <ritahansard@numail.org> wrote in message
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: "Susan Cohen" <flavia13@verizon.net> wrote in message
: news:BxaSd.5215$EL5.4819@trnddc05...
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: > "Ash" <ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
: > news:cvb8k9$icn$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
: >> Susan Cohen wrote:
: >>> "Rita Hansard" <ritahansard@numail.org> wrote in message
: >>> news:cvahvn$4r5$0@pita.alt.net...
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: >>>>Um, concerning the "objective evidence," of which you asked, I've
not
: >>>>seen an acknowledgement from Susan that the epistles are real.
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: >>>
: >>> & you never will, because I am a historian.
: >>>
: >> I'm a bit confused as to what you mean here. Obviously the
epistles are
: >> real in that they exist, so I assume you have another meaning
: >
: > Ah, yes. Now I understand.
: > You will not see me saying that they are concurrent with the events
they
: > depict.
: > When dealing with Rita & her unique definitions of words, I want to
be
: > very careful what I agree is "real".
:
: Okay, historian Susan, who wrote the letters attributed to Paul?
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: Rita
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20 Feb 2005 07:20:53 PM |
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"Ash" <ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Susan Cohen wrote:
"Rita Hansard" <ritahansard@numail.org> wrote in message
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Um, concerning the "objective evidence," of which you asked, I've not
seen an acknowledgement from Susan that the epistles are real.
& you never will, because I am a historian.
I'm a bit confused as to what you mean here. Obviously the epistles are
real in that they exist, so I assume you have another meaning
I don't think you're going to get an answer here, Ash. Susan, historian that
she is, doesn't seem to understand that "objective evidence" places the
epistles to have been written by one man who used the signature of "Paul" to
the dates in question. Quite a comical "historian," this Susan. I await with
baited breath her presentation of evidence to these letters being forgeries.
Rita
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