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Religions > Atheism |
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"Mel" |
| Date: |
08 Aug 2004 11:27:04 PM |
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Re: Otto in Northen Ca. |
On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 01:42:01 GMT, DrPostman <Looky@mysig.foremail> wrote in
message <jlldh01prj74g0uevbkhjfdbv20b7g8bag@4ax.com>:
On 8 Aug 2004 17:47:02 -0700, (bubba) wrote:
Finally, Otto is out in the open. I have been searching the web for
years trying to find information on this cult. I first became aware
of it 10 years ago and have watched it grow over the years. NA in our
area ("the largest in the world?") has become an us and them thing.
They claim among themselves to have a higher, more intense recovery.
They are rewriting (figuratively) the Basic text and 'work the steps
over feelings'. If asked if they are Otto they often reply "I don't
know what you are talking about". So apparently honesty has not
become a pervasive virtue among this cult. You cannot be invited to
their 'spiritual retreat' until you have worked your 4th step so this
is held out as a carrot and stick thing to newcomers who happen to
fall into the Otto's sponsorship families.
How to spot an Otto: 1. They run in herds or families. 2. They hug too
long and whisper in each other's ears (allegedly id'ing each other by
the words "otto" 3. They migrate twice a year, the first weekends in
April and November. 4. Their mating call is "Hello Family"
I, like earlier posters, have no problem with individual addicts
joining whatever cult they want. But Leesville/Otto has gone too far.
They recruit exclusively in our 12 step community, telling the newbies
'its like NA'. There is a fee to go to the retreats (I have heard
$150.00) so figure it out...150 to 200 people paying $150...there is
money motive here!!!
And yes, they run our area. The chair, vice chair, regional rep and
alternate,secty and alternate,H&I PI Newsletter chairs and vice
chairs.
SOmething I have learned over my many years in NA...secrets die when
exposed to the lights of the day....sorry Otto, your secret is out.
You do seem to be nurturing quite a strong resentment.
How long you gonna let it grow?
longer than yer *****.
--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
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| User: "DrPostman" |
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| Title: Re: Otto in Northen Ca. |
09 Aug 2004 02:53:18 AM |
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On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 06:27:04 +0200, "Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 01:42:01 GMT, DrPostman <Looky@mysig.foremail> wrote in
message <jlldh01prj74g0uevbkhjfdbv20b7g8bag@4ax.com>:
On 8 Aug 2004 17:47:02 -0700, (bubba) wrote:
Finally, Otto is out in the open. I have been searching the web for
years trying to find information on this cult. I first became aware
of it 10 years ago and have watched it grow over the years. NA in our
area ("the largest in the world?") has become an us and them thing.
They claim among themselves to have a higher, more intense recovery.
They are rewriting (figuratively) the Basic text and 'work the steps
over feelings'. If asked if they are Otto they often reply "I don't
know what you are talking about". So apparently honesty has not
become a pervasive virtue among this cult. You cannot be invited to
their 'spiritual retreat' until you have worked your 4th step so this
is held out as a carrot and stick thing to newcomers who happen to
fall into the Otto's sponsorship families.
How to spot an Otto: 1. They run in herds or families. 2. They hug too
long and whisper in each other's ears (allegedly id'ing each other by
the words "otto" 3. They migrate twice a year, the first weekends in
April and November. 4. Their mating call is "Hello Family"
I, like earlier posters, have no problem with individual addicts
joining whatever cult they want. But Leesville/Otto has gone too far.
They recruit exclusively in our 12 step community, telling the newbies
'its like NA'. There is a fee to go to the retreats (I have heard
$150.00) so figure it out...150 to 200 people paying $150...there is
money motive here!!!
And yes, they run our area. The chair, vice chair, regional rep and
alternate,secty and alternate,H&I PI Newsletter chairs and vice
chairs.
SOmething I have learned over my many years in NA...secrets die when
exposed to the lights of the day....sorry Otto, your secret is out.
You do seem to be nurturing quite a strong resentment.
How long you gonna let it grow?
longer than yer *****.
Daymned long then.
--
Dr.Postman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors of afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULTŪ member #15-51506-253.
You can email me at: DrJaiMaharajFraud(at)hotmail.com
"Did the Venus transit occur during sunset, idiot?"
- Grant,on the GLP web board, explains to us how
sunrise happens in NY and Asia at the same time.
.
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| User: "Mel" |
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| Title: Re: Otto in Northen Ca. |
09 Aug 2004 04:01:46 PM |
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On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 07:53:18 GMT, DrPostman <Looky@mysig.foremail> wrote in
message <4fbeh095plesoqiqmagt6q9slapmtk91n0@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 06:27:04 +0200, "Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 01:42:01 GMT, DrPostman <Looky@mysig.foremail> wrote in
On 8 Aug 2004 17:47:02 -0700, (bubba) wrote:
Finally, Otto is out in the open. I have been searching the web for
years trying to find information on this cult. I first became aware
of it 10 years ago and have watched it grow over the years. NA in our
area ("the largest in the world?") has become an us and them thing.
They claim among themselves to have a higher, more intense recovery.
They are rewriting (figuratively) the Basic text and 'work the steps
over feelings'. If asked if they are Otto they often reply "I don't
know what you are talking about". So apparently honesty has not
become a pervasive virtue among this cult. You cannot be invited to
their 'spiritual retreat' until you have worked your 4th step so this
is held out as a carrot and stick thing to newcomers who happen to
fall into the Otto's sponsorship families.
How to spot an Otto: 1. They run in herds or families. 2. They hug too
long and whisper in each other's ears (allegedly id'ing each other by
the words "otto" 3. They migrate twice a year, the first weekends in
April and November. 4. Their mating call is "Hello Family"
I, like earlier posters, have no problem with individual addicts
joining whatever cult they want. But Leesville/Otto has gone too far.
They recruit exclusively in our 12 step community, telling the newbies
'its like NA'. There is a fee to go to the retreats (I have heard
$150.00) so figure it out...150 to 200 people paying $150...there is
money motive here!!!
And yes, they run our area. The chair, vice chair, regional rep and
alternate,secty and alternate,H&I PI Newsletter chairs and vice
chairs.
SOmething I have learned over my many years in NA...secrets die when
exposed to the lights of the day....sorry Otto, your secret is out.
You do seem to be nurturing quite a strong resentment.
How long you gonna let it grow?
longer than yer *****.
Daymned long then.
men who want long dicks are inadequate.
--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
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| User: "ur_droll" |
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| Title: Re: Otto in Northen Ca. |
10 Aug 2004 02:41:54 AM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in message
news:2o7fh011t1ab8ln1r3n9k6amaf1pi5icg8@4ax.com...
: On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 07:53:18 GMT, DrPostman <Looky@mysig.foremail> wrote
in
: message <4fbeh095plesoqiqmagt6q9slapmtk91n0@4ax.com>:
: >On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 06:27:04 +0200, "Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
: >>On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 01:42:01 GMT, DrPostman <Looky@mysig.foremail> wrote
in
: >>>On 8 Aug 2004 17:47:02 -0700, (bubba) wrote:
: >>>>Finally, Otto is out in the open. I have been searching the web for
: >>>>years trying to find information on this cult. I first became aware
: >>>>of it 10 years ago and have watched it grow over the years. NA in our
: >>>>area ("the largest in the world?") has become an us and them thing.
: >>>>They claim among themselves to have a higher, more intense recovery.
: >>>>They are rewriting (figuratively) the Basic text and 'work the steps
: >>>>over feelings'. If asked if they are Otto they often reply "I don't
: >>>>know what you are talking about". So apparently honesty has not
: >>>>become a pervasive virtue among this cult. You cannot be invited to
: >>>>their 'spiritual retreat' until you have worked your 4th step so this
: >>>>is held out as a carrot and stick thing to newcomers who happen to
: >>>>fall into the Otto's sponsorship families.
: >>>>How to spot an Otto: 1. They run in herds or families. 2. They hug too
: >>>>long and whisper in each other's ears (allegedly id'ing each other by
: >>>>the words "otto" 3. They migrate twice a year, the first weekends in
: >>>>April and November. 4. Their mating call is "Hello Family"
: >>>>I, like earlier posters, have no problem with individual addicts
: >>>>joining whatever cult they want. But Leesville/Otto has gone too far.
: >>>>They recruit exclusively in our 12 step community, telling the newbies
: >>>>'its like NA'. There is a fee to go to the retreats (I have heard
: >>>>$150.00) so figure it out...150 to 200 people paying $150...there is
: >>>>money motive here!!!
: >>>>And yes, they run our area. The chair, vice chair, regional rep and
: >>>>alternate,secty and alternate,H&I PI Newsletter chairs and vice
: >>>>chairs.
: >>>>SOmething I have learned over my many years in NA...secrets die when
: >>>>exposed to the lights of the day....sorry Otto, your secret is out.
: >>>You do seem to be nurturing quite a strong resentment.
: >>>How long you gonna let it grow?
: >>longer than yer *****.
: >Daymned long then.
:
: men who want long dicks are inadequate.
or big arsed homo's
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| User: "GP of ATJ" |
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| Title: Re: Otto in Northen Ca. |
11 Aug 2004 01:43:17 AM |
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"ur_droll" <who.gives@*****.co> wrote in message
news:D2%Rc.11400$N77.508618@news.xtra.co.nz...
"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in message
news:2o7fh011t1ab8ln1r3n9k6amaf1pi5icg8@4ax.com...
: On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 07:53:18 GMT, DrPostman <Looky@mysig.foremail> wrote
in
: message <4fbeh095plesoqiqmagt6q9slapmtk91n0@4ax.com>:
: >On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 06:27:04 +0200, "Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
: >>On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 01:42:01 GMT, DrPostman <Looky@mysig.foremail>
wrote
in
: >>>On 8 Aug 2004 17:47:02 -0700, (bubba) wrote:
: >>>>Finally, Otto is out in the open. I have been searching the web for
: >>>>years trying to find information on this cult. I first became aware
: >>>>of it 10 years ago and have watched it grow over the years. NA in
our
: >>>>area ("the largest in the world?") has become an us and them thing.
: >>>>They claim among themselves to have a higher, more intense recovery.
: >>>>They are rewriting (figuratively) the Basic text and 'work the steps
: >>>>over feelings'. If asked if they are Otto they often reply "I don't
: >>>>know what you are talking about". So apparently honesty has not
: >>>>become a pervasive virtue among this cult. You cannot be invited to
: >>>>their 'spiritual retreat' until you have worked your 4th step so
this
: >>>>is held out as a carrot and stick thing to newcomers who happen to
: >>>>fall into the Otto's sponsorship families.
: >>>>How to spot an Otto: 1. They run in herds or families. 2. They hug
too
: >>>>long and whisper in each other's ears (allegedly id'ing each other
by
: >>>>the words "otto" 3. They migrate twice a year, the first weekends in
: >>>>April and November. 4. Their mating call is "Hello Family"
: >>>>I, like earlier posters, have no problem with individual addicts
: >>>>joining whatever cult they want. But Leesville/Otto has gone too
far.
: >>>>They recruit exclusively in our 12 step community, telling the
newbies
: >>>>'its like NA'. There is a fee to go to the retreats (I have heard
: >>>>$150.00) so figure it out...150 to 200 people paying $150...there is
: >>>>money motive here!!!
: >>>>And yes, they run our area. The chair, vice chair, regional rep and
: >>>>alternate,secty and alternate,H&I PI Newsletter chairs and vice
: >>>>chairs.
: >>>>SOmething I have learned over my many years in NA...secrets die when
: >>>>exposed to the lights of the day....sorry Otto, your secret is out.
: >>>You do seem to be nurturing quite a strong resentment.
: >>>How long you gonna let it grow?
: >>longer than yer *****.
: >Daymned long then.
:
: men who want long dicks are inadequate.
or big arsed homo's like me
you trying to look like fag boy mel kiwi?
Why do moths fly with their legs apart?
Have you ever seen the size of moth-balls !
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| User: "ur_droll" |
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| Title: Re: Otto in Northen Ca. |
11 Aug 2004 01:28:41 PM |
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"GP of ATJ" <GP_of_ATJ@NoFagBoysAllowed.Com> wrote in message
news:411a1d7f_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
: or big arsed homo's like me
ya sure are
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| User: "DrPostman" |
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| Title: Re: Otto in Northen Ca. |
09 Aug 2004 11:14:30 PM |
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On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 23:01:46 +0200, "Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 07:53:18 GMT, DrPostman <Looky@mysig.foremail> wrote in
message <4fbeh095plesoqiqmagt6q9slapmtk91n0@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 06:27:04 +0200, "Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 01:42:01 GMT, DrPostman <Looky@mysig.foremail> wrote in
On 8 Aug 2004 17:47:02 -0700, (bubba) wrote:
Finally, Otto is out in the open. I have been searching the web for
years trying to find information on this cult. I first became aware
of it 10 years ago and have watched it grow over the years. NA in our
area ("the largest in the world?") has become an us and them thing.
They claim among themselves to have a higher, more intense recovery.
They are rewriting (figuratively) the Basic text and 'work the steps
over feelings'. If asked if they are Otto they often reply "I don't
know what you are talking about". So apparently honesty has not
become a pervasive virtue among this cult. You cannot be invited to
their 'spiritual retreat' until you have worked your 4th step so this
is held out as a carrot and stick thing to newcomers who happen to
fall into the Otto's sponsorship families.
How to spot an Otto: 1. They run in herds or families. 2. They hug too
long and whisper in each other's ears (allegedly id'ing each other by
the words "otto" 3. They migrate twice a year, the first weekends in
April and November. 4. Their mating call is "Hello Family"
I, like earlier posters, have no problem with individual addicts
joining whatever cult they want. But Leesville/Otto has gone too far.
They recruit exclusively in our 12 step community, telling the newbies
'its like NA'. There is a fee to go to the retreats (I have heard
$150.00) so figure it out...150 to 200 people paying $150...there is
money motive here!!!
And yes, they run our area. The chair, vice chair, regional rep and
alternate,secty and alternate,H&I PI Newsletter chairs and vice
chairs.
SOmething I have learned over my many years in NA...secrets die when
exposed to the lights of the day....sorry Otto, your secret is out.
You do seem to be nurturing quite a strong resentment.
How long you gonna let it grow?
longer than yer *****.
Daymned long then.
men who want long dicks are inadequate.
Sorry for your loss.
--
Dr.Postman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors of afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULTŪ member #15-51506-253.
You can email me at: DrJaiMaharajFraud(at)hotmail.com
"Did the Venus transit occur during sunset, idiot?"
- Grant,on the GLP web board, explains to us how
sunrise happens in NY and Asia at the same time.
.
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| User: "Mel" |
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| Title: Re: Otto in Northen Ca. |
10 Aug 2004 11:12:15 AM |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 04:14:30 GMT, DrPostman <Looky@mysig.foremail> wrote in
message <71jgh0p2aiuovm666h753veakthj19eiob@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 23:01:46 +0200, "Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 07:53:18 GMT, DrPostman <Looky@mysig.foremail> wrote in
On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 06:27:04 +0200, "Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 01:42:01 GMT, DrPostman <Looky@mysig.foremail> wrote in
On 8 Aug 2004 17:47:02 -0700, (bubba) wrote:
Finally, Otto is out in the open. I have been searching the web for
years trying to find information on this cult. I first became aware
of it 10 years ago and have watched it grow over the years. NA in our
area ("the largest in the world?") has become an us and them thing.
They claim among themselves to have a higher, more intense recovery.
They are rewriting (figuratively) the Basic text and 'work the steps
over feelings'. If asked if they are Otto they often reply "I don't
know what you are talking about". So apparently honesty has not
become a pervasive virtue among this cult. You cannot be invited to
their 'spiritual retreat' until you have worked your 4th step so this
is held out as a carrot and stick thing to newcomers who happen to
fall into the Otto's sponsorship families.
How to spot an Otto: 1. They run in herds or families. 2. They hug too
long and whisper in each other's ears (allegedly id'ing each other by
the words "otto" 3. They migrate twice a year, the first weekends in
April and November. 4. Their mating call is "Hello Family"
I, like earlier posters, have no problem with individual addicts
joining whatever cult they want. But Leesville/Otto has gone too far.
They recruit exclusively in our 12 step community, telling the newbies
'its like NA'. There is a fee to go to the retreats (I have heard
$150.00) so figure it out...150 to 200 people paying $150...there is
money motive here!!!
And yes, they run our area. The chair, vice chair, regional rep and
alternate,secty and alternate,H&I PI Newsletter chairs and vice
chairs.
SOmething I have learned over my many years in NA...secrets die when
exposed to the lights of the day....sorry Otto, your secret is out.
You do seem to be nurturing quite a strong resentment.
How long you gonna let it grow?
longer than yer *****.
Daymned long then.
men who want long dicks are inadequate.
Sorry for your loss.
*****, queer.
--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
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| User: "DrPostman" |
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| Title: Re: Otto in Northen Ca. |
10 Aug 2004 04:09:35 PM |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:12:15 +0200, "Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 04:14:30 GMT, DrPostman <Looky@mysig.foremail> wrote in
message <71jgh0p2aiuovm666h753veakthj19eiob@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 23:01:46 +0200, "Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 07:53:18 GMT, DrPostman <Looky@mysig.foremail> wrote in
On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 06:27:04 +0200, "Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 01:42:01 GMT, DrPostman <Looky@mysig.foremail> wrote in
On 8 Aug 2004 17:47:02 -0700, (bubba) wrote:
Finally, Otto is out in the open. I have been searching the web for
years trying to find information on this cult. I first became aware
of it 10 years ago and have watched it grow over the years. NA in our
area ("the largest in the world?") has become an us and them thing.
They claim among themselves to have a higher, more intense recovery.
They are rewriting (figuratively) the Basic text and 'work the steps
over feelings'. If asked if they are Otto they often reply "I don't
know what you are talking about". So apparently honesty has not
become a pervasive virtue among this cult. You cannot be invited to
their 'spiritual retreat' until you have worked your 4th step so this
is held out as a carrot and stick thing to newcomers who happen to
fall into the Otto's sponsorship families.
How to spot an Otto: 1. They run in herds or families. 2. They hug too
long and whisper in each other's ears (allegedly id'ing each other by
the words "otto" 3. They migrate twice a year, the first weekends in
April and November. 4. Their mating call is "Hello Family"
I, like earlier posters, have no problem with individual addicts
joining whatever cult they want. But Leesville/Otto has gone too far.
They recruit exclusively in our 12 step community, telling the newbies
'its like NA'. There is a fee to go to the retreats (I have heard
$150.00) so figure it out...150 to 200 people paying $150...there is
money motive here!!!
And yes, they run our area. The chair, vice chair, regional rep and
alternate,secty and alternate,H&I PI Newsletter chairs and vice
chairs.
SOmething I have learned over my many years in NA...secrets die when
exposed to the lights of the day....sorry Otto, your secret is out.
You do seem to be nurturing quite a strong resentment.
How long you gonna let it grow?
longer than yer *****.
Daymned long then.
men who want long dicks are inadequate.
Sorry for your loss.
*****, queer.
You wish. And stop coming on to me.
--
Dr.Postman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors of afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULTŪ member #15-51506-253.
You can email me at: DrJaiMaharajFraud(at)hotmail.com
"Did the Venus transit occur during sunset, idiot?"
- Grant,on the GLP web board, explains to us how
sunrise happens in NY and Asia at the same time.
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